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rooting, why or why not

i would like to know which benefits i would get if i root my phone
why should i do it or why not
an if it makes sense, were can i find a howto
thx

Are you serious mate? Its a sticky at the absolute top in the Desire Android Development Forum. Maybe you browse around a bit next time (or use the search) before opening a new thread (about the 1 Mio'th one about this topic)...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=696189

Rooting gives you the ability to flash custom roms, these are generally built ontop of released or customized version of stock roms, this means you don't have to wait for a feature to be sent to your phone over the over the air upgrades, it also means you can customize your phone fully,I.e. custom icons down to the base level stuff like fonts and batery icons you can also use apps that require escalated permissions such as the terminal app and things like screenshots, cache cleaning.
Reasons not to root, warranty you loose it.
Bricking if you mess up you can potentially have a nice peice of plastic that does nothing.
Reliability the quality of custom roms has come along dramatically since the first rom but you are after all flashing some one else's project these roms are very well done and coded to a professional level but they simple do not nave the quality testing and reliability of the stock roms as these are often personal projects.
And guides on how to are frequent on here as are the reason to and not to root, look above.
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so if i want to install a custom Android ROM (2.2 Froyo) with Sense i must root my phone...
and the other thing is, to remove some apps i don't need.... like stocks
but if i'm happy as it is there is no need?
well thx for the info
think I'll get to know my cell phone first then a little
almost have it for 3 weeks now =)

just to be able to load a rom without the sense and worth it!

Try launcher pro in the market and betterbut and I think you will be happy unless you want wireless tether and the other benefits, most sense users don't like the UI that's all.
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the launcher of sense is not very bad.
the really bad are the internal apps: calendar, contacts...
i root and koad a non sense rom, and i have a nexus but without the hardware nexus bugs

Hi guys I'm new to android... coming from an iPhone. I just want to know why some people hate sense UI? I just had my Desire for 1 week so I don't have an idea why some people prefer stock android instead of the sense UI. For me I think the sense UI is nice. Can you guys enlighten me. TIA!

I think you will find that most Desire users like Sense, but in a "technical" community such as this you will find a reasonable proportion of people who prefer stock and/or other launchers.
Personally, I think Sense improves the Android user experience and that's a good thing. I had stock on my G1 (obviously), and got a Hero (which has Sense). If I'd wanted a stock experience, I would've bought a Nexus One over the Desire, but I think Sense is great and I prefer the Desires hardware anyway.
Regards,
Dave

aalviedo said:
Hi guys I'm new to android... coming from an iPhone. I just want to know why some people hate sense UI? I just had my Desire for 1 week so I don't have an idea why some people prefer stock android instead of the sense UI. For me I think the sense UI is nice. Can you guys enlighten me. TIA!
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Welcome to Android. Nice to see you've broken the shackles of Apple.
I'm not sure why to be honest. Sense, in my opinion, makes the Android experience very smooth and feels nicely polished. There are more widgets, home screens etc...
I can only speculate that people like to be different and maybe feel that Sense somehow "weighs down" the phone with unnecessary baggage. At least on the older slower devices maybe.
Given that you can set the phone to launch the stock Android experience without Sense anyway, I'd say it's a mystery why anyone would be anti-Sense.
Those people do prefer life without it, I too would love to know your rationale.
Cheers,
HRH
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Thanks for the welcome. I changed my phone to android cause the last three previous phone I had was iPhone 2G, 3G, and 3Gs and I just had it with Apple and their iTree . With all the limitation, the jailbreaking, the iTunes crap... and add all that to the new iPhone 4 antennagate problem and you feel like you just wanna kick the crap out Steve Jobs face. hehehehe
Anyway, I think maybe you guys are right... maybe It's because of some older HTC phones that are not quite on par with the Desire specs that makes their sense UI experience a little bit problematic. I've been playing with my Desire since I got it non-stop (except when I'm at work of course) and I like the sense UI very much with all those additional widget and additional option from HTC. I don't see any lagging or any problematic situation caused by the UI itself... and it's because of the powerful specs of the Desire itself.
Well, if anybody else has a better idea on why... based on their experience and all. Give us some feedback.
Cheers guys!
Oh and by the way, I'm loving my new HTC Desire... I just wish the rumored HTC Desire HD is available already cause I wanted to get a bigger screen for browsing. But the Desire now is amazing... what more when the new Desire HD is available. But what the heck... as Steve Jobs said "No one is going to buy those big screen" right? (sarcasm). hehehehe

[Q] cyanogen mode 11 vs skydragon gpe

Hey guys i wanted to know whic one of these roms offers better experience!
Cause i prefer gpe ui rather than sens and i don't like like pure pure gpe!
So which one whould you choos?
Cyanogen mode11 or skydragon gpe :?

Neither of them offer better performance. These types of thread get closed everyday here on XDA. It all boils down to personal preference. Make a backup and try them out for yourself. Nobody here is you and only you can decide what works best for you.

Should we pick out your next pair of shoes for you? Want me to dress you tomorrow?
I'm sickened by people that can't make an opinion on their own and make posts like this, posts that get locked up quick.
Sent from my HTC6525LVW

dmo.jr said:
Hey guys i wanted to know whic one of these roms offers better experience!
Cause i prefer gpe ui rather than sens and i don't like like pure pure gpe!
So which one whould you choos?
Cyanogen mode11 or skydragon gpe :?
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Last I checked all of the GPE ROMs are more stable. AOSP ROMs like CyanogenMod and AOKP, which task650 is working hard to build, require more work to support things like WiFi, Bluetooth, Camera, IR sensor, etc. At the moment the CM11 and AOKP builds for the M8 do not have reliable Camera functionality.

Performance wise? Any AOSP or GPE ROM had felt the same to me. Very fluid performance with no lag to speak of.
Battery life? Haven't used both enough to get a grasp but from I've seen this leans more towards gpe based software.
Stability? Crushing victory for GPE here. Their Roms contain all the proprietary stuff from HTC so naturally just about everything hardware wise is going to function just fine. All this has to be worked on heavily with any AOSP ROM due to having to find ways to get around the closed source drivers.
Customizable? I'll have to give an edge to some of the AOSP based Roms. Some such as Paranoid Android having a seemingly endless amount of options. Even GPE with gravitybox can't compare.
All in all its going to boil down to what you prefer.

SD GPE is best
(c'mon i know thats biased but what do people expect with comparison threads)
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Thread closed,
Rom comparison threads are against forum rules. Best thing to do is to try them for yourself.
Many thanks,
Ghost

[Q] Stock KitKat vs Lollipop

Hey everyone,
I was wondering whether there is any consensus in the HTC community with regards to which software version is better/more stable.
My nexus 5 received the stock lollipop update and it was terrible, laggy, more stuttery than KitKat, battery life was worse, some features were inexplicably omitted, I had more trouble with apps than on KitKat. - I took all the necessary precautions, full wipe etc etc but it was definitely the update. I ended up downgrading the Nexus which thankfully was a straightforward procedure. I'm not confident it's equally straightforward on the M8.
Should I perform the update? I'd like to be on the latest version of Android, but if it's crippling in any way whatsoever then it is not worth it. The Nexus 5 lollipop upgrade felt like a downgrade so I've understandably lost my faith in Lollipop.
Cheers.

I'm running GPE Lollipop 5.0.1, and I have no glitches or other issues whatsoever, and it's definitely a solid upgrade over KitKat with lots of great new features.
Can't speak to Sense but if you're on GPE or willing to convert then I'd highly recommend making the upgrade.

If i had it to do all over again i would have left my TMO Stock M8 with 4.4.4 and NOT done the Lollipop update.
Even after a factory reset i still feel i liked 4.4.4 better.

JackHarley said:
I'm running GPE Lollipop 5.0.1, and I have no glitches or other issues whatsoever, and it's definitely a solid upgrade over KitKat with lots of great new features.
Can't speak to Sense but if you're on GPE or willing to convert then I'd highly recommend making the upgrade.
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Hi Jack, thanks for your reply. I'm happy with sense actually, I've been through a lot of android phones and this is the first non-nexus device I've been happy to use completely stock! I think HTC did a great job on sense, especially when compared to touchwiz!

IAmSixNine said:
If i had it to do all over again i would have left my TMO Stock M8 with 4.4.4 and NOT done the Lollipop update.
Even after a factory reset i still feel i liked 4.4.4 better.
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Thanks for your reply, this is exactly my concern. I can't find any reviews that compare living with both lollipop and KitKat. Even the top YouTube reviewers are guilty of just focusing on the minimal UI changes..
Are there any areas in particular that make you feel like 4.4.4 was superior to lollipop?

FatPhysicsBoy said:
Thanks for your reply, this is exactly my concern. I can't find any reviews that compare living with both lollipop and KitKat. Even the top YouTube reviewers are guilty of just focusing on the minimal UI changes..
Are there any areas in particular that make you feel like 4.4.4 was superior to lollipop?
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first of all, I would never go GPe 5.0.1 Lollipop, google made a mess of it, now 5.0.2 Lollipop with sense by HTC, they ironed out most of, not all of but most of the google's bugs before they released it, I love sense myself, and GPe just bores the living daylights out of me, why have a HTC with GPe, when you can have a nexus ???, I buy a HTC for the Sense.
Lollipop, most people will tell you, boots faster, is much smoother than KitKat etc, I was using Lollipop when it was in the beta stages still for the HTC One M7 and would of never gone back to KitKat.

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first of all, I would never go GPe 5.0.1 Lollipop, google made a mess of it, now 5.0.2 Lollipop with sense by HTC, they ironed out most of, not all of but most of the google's bugs before they released it, I love sense myself, and GPe just bores the living daylights out of me, why have a HTC with GPe, when you can have a nexus ???, I buy a HTC for the Sense.
Lollipop, most people will tell you, boots faster, is much smoother than KitKat etc, I was using Lollipop when it was in the beta stages still for the HTC One M7 and would of never gone back to KitKat.
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Yeah I have no plans to go GPE, I've already come from a Nexus and appreciate what HTC have done with sense. Couldn't agree more, the appeal for vanilla used to be speed but that went with the vanilla lollipop and is baked into sense so I'm good!
That being said, I'm worried the bugs they didn't reach would really piss me off. I won't be updating, I've disabled the notification from the drawer to remove my temptation. Very happy with my M8 as is!
Thanks for the help everyone!

FatPhysicsBoy said:
Thanks for your reply, this is exactly my concern. I can't find any reviews that compare living with both lollipop and KitKat. Even the top YouTube reviewers are guilty of just focusing on the minimal UI changes..
Are there any areas in particular that make you feel like 4.4.4 was superior to lollipop?
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I feel i had better battery life on 4.4.4
I Personally like the look and feel of 4.4.4 and i think that once i get 5.1 on the device (when HTC officially releases it my opinions will change. )

Opinion regarding Skydragon GPE 5.1

I've been pretty disappointed since the Sense stock 5.0.2 update, especially regarding battery and some lag here and there. I also have a problem with the contacts (they don't appear when people call me except if the country prefix in memorized).
I am thinking about trying a custom rom and since seeing the stock android on my mom's Moto G and really like it so from my research it seems skydragon gpe 5.1 is the best one. Anyone that tried it can give me his opinion please?
Cheers

I have tried SkyDragon GPE and I must say it is the most stable and best performing one from all the ones I've tried (and I've tried a lot), so I'd advise you to give it a shot if you're willing to go the custom route. Keep in mind that unlocking your bootloader and such will void your warranty, just in case you're still under it.
Good luck, man, and even though it might not be very smart to do all of that if you're still inexperienced, one lives to learn and you'll not regret using custom ROMs. I've been using them since the One X days and have never looked back.

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I have tried SkyDragon GPE and I must say it is the most stable and best performing one from all the ones I've tried (and I've tried a lot), so I'd advise you to give it a shot if you're willing to go the custom route. Keep in mind that unlocking your bootloader and such will void your warranty, just in case you're still under it.
Good luck, man, and even though it might not be very smart to do all of that if you're still inexperienced, one lives to learn and you'll not regret using custom ROMs. I've been using them since the One X days and have never looked back.
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Thanks a lot for your input. I am tech savvy so I believe I'll be ok
It's stable, that's great, but do we loose any features compared to Sense stock rom? Also, what's the main difference between skydragon gpe and Google stock gpe rom for the HTC One m8?
Cheers

Badelhas said:
Thanks a lot for your input. I am tech savvy so I believe I'll be ok
It's stable, that's great, but do we loose any features compared to Sense stock rom? Also, what's the main difference between skydragon gpe and Google stock gpe rom for the HTC One m8?
Cheers
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GPE and Sense are two completely different interfaces. For one thing, you won't have BlinkFeed anymore, which is perhaps the most obvious thing about using a Sense ROM. You will still, however, have the Motion Gestures, Dot View app, and a lot of the things that require HTC's framework. I believe the main difference is that SkyDragon GPE is tweaked for better performance and battery life, and is debloated from all the useless system apps and items that Google adds. You can read about the features of SkyDragon GPE and the changelogs in the dedicated thread, it'll give you a much better overview of what it is all about. I would recommend trying SkyDragon first, at least it will be easier than converting your device to GPE for a full, stock GPE experience.

I was using Sense ROMs for many months, and recently decided to try LolliGPE, specially because it allows me to use GPE features plus Sense camera and BlinkFeed. I'm using latest version and it's working flawlessly and yes, it looks beautiful! I know Skydragon GPE is good as well, but I prefer LolliGPE because it has more support in the last months.
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SergioRmz said:
I was using Sense ROMs for many months, and recently decided to try LolliGPE, specially because it allows me to use GPE features plus Sense camera and BlinkFeed. I'm using latest version and it's working flawlessly and yes, it looks beautiful! I know Skydragon GPE is good as well, but I prefer LolliGPE because it has more support in the last months.
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Thank you both for the input. I think I will try lolligpe since I like sense camera. How is battery life with that rom?

I'd say battery life is subjective and dependant on your usage as well as overall conditions. Give it a shot for two or three days then judge the battery life for yourself. I believe that there was a way to install Sense camera on any GPE ROM in the Themes & Apps section of the forum but you'd have to search and find that out, just in case you're more inclined to try SkyDragon but still want the Sense camera.

TarekElsakka said:
I'd say battery life is subjective and dependant on your usage as well as overall conditions. Give it a shot for two or three days then judge the battery life for yourself. I believe that there was a way to install Sense camera on any GPE ROM in the Themes & Apps section of the forum but you'd have to search and find that out, just in case you're more inclined to try SkyDragon but still want the Sense camera.
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I was inclined to skydragon gpe but the developer says he dosent have the device anymore so I expect development to decrease. I never heard of LOLLIGPE before but from the suggestion it seems to work pretty well, added that sense camera works and all. I recently received an email from HTC Support saying that they will launch an update on the end of November. I was expecting an update in August which could improve the problems I've been having but with htc with so many financial problems it doesn't seem likely. Therefore I am very eager to flash the gpe custom rom. If lolligpe is better than skydragon and everything works as it should, that's my best bet, I believe.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, then. I have not been following SkyDragon lately so I wouldn't know.
Good luck!

I just did some research in the main xda Lolligpe thread and there seems to be many users with bugs and stuff that dosent work properly. That's putting me off a bit...

In much less time than its taken for you to be posting and reading the responses, you could have just flashed the ROM, tried it out, and probably even made your judgement of it.
Just make a nandroid (TWRP backup) before you flash SD, and you can always just revert back to your current setup if you don't like the SD ROM.
And as mentioned, battery life and performance vary greatly from one user to another due to differences in how we use the device, among other variables. The only way to determine how a ROM will perform for you is to try it.

redpoint beat me to it. Stop reading about all the bugs and issues and try it yourself. You seem like you want to experience something different and you could actually develop a passion for doing that, so just go ahead and do it, there's nothing much to lose!

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In much less time than its taken for you to be posting and reading the responses, you could have just flashed the ROM, tried it out, and probably even made your judgement of it.
Just make a nandroid (TWRP backup) before you flash SD, and you can always just revert back to your current setup if you don't like the SD ROM.
And as mentioned, battery life and performance vary greatly from one user to another due to differences in how we use the device, among other variables. The only way to determine how a ROM will perform for you is to try it.
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TarekElsakka said:
redpoint beat me to it. Stop reading about all the bugs and issues and try it yourself. You seem like you want to experience something different and you could actually develop a passion for doing that, so just go ahead and do it, there's nothing much to lose!
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Will do, tonight's the night, thanks for the strength
Cheers

Badelhas said:
Thank you both for the input. I think I will try lolligpe since I like sense camera. How is battery life with that rom?
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Battery life is good with ElementalX kernel. Don't be afraid about possible bugs, some users have them but depends on many things such as device model or carrier. I'm using an AT&T phone and so far everything is working as it should without any noticeable bug.

What should I use for max stability? Android K, L or M? Stock, GPE or AOSP base?

I've had a Verizon M8 since '14. I used Sunshine (or whatever it was) to set S-OFF and have been flashing various ROMs from day 1. Since Marshmallow ROMs started to appear I've been using them. Over the last 2 months or so I've noticed that my phone tends to die at around 50%. Often times after starting the phone again what appears to be filesystem corruption has occurred and settings reset themselves, icons disappear from my launcher, etc. Now I'm more or less looking to find the most stable, reliable ROM to keep me going until I get a Google Pixel.
Yesterday I flashed a the KitKat RUU (0P6BIMG_M8_WL_K444_SENSE60_VZW_MR_VERIZON_WWE_3.28.605.4_HSM_Radio_1.09.20.0926_NV_VZW_2.11_002_release_393779_signed_1.zip MD5: 6077fefbc12b51ae55f1a066c863a414) and so far it seems very stable. I noticed that this version actually has the ability to disable "Fast Startup" like the calibration directions say. I'm now running a stress test to see how fast the battery drains playing a stream.
Anyway, here are my questions: which version has the least number of issues, especially with battery life? Is my experience with Marshmallow ROMs not normal? Is it a known issue? Is either KitKat or Lollipop considered more stable? Do any of you stick to older ROMs?
As for bases, I think my only choice is stock. I love that 1080p60 camera too much to give it up. The flashable Sense camera for GPE ROMs does NOT record at 60fps when in Fast FullHD mode, it doesn't even hit 30 it seems! I don't think CM or any other AOSP ROMs offer it either, but I could be wrong.

I've had my M8 for roughly 6 months with nothing but MM roms on it the whole time. While I cannot vouch for KK or L roms on this device, I can say that your experience with MM roms is not normal. I've had outstanding battery life with MM roms on my device. Have you tried to flash a few different MM roms to see if it was just an issue with one of the roms? And does the issue still persist with the KK rom that you've most recently flashed?

Stay at kitkat , I was having almost most of your problem after I return it to stock it makes everything good or stock gpe its good for battery life.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...ment/rom-vzw-stock-gpe-5-1-lmy47o-h9-t3212413

Had no issues at all with my M8, been using GPE since a week after I bought the phone (about a year ago); Never even saw Kitkat on this device, only Lollipop, which was stock and also worked very well for me...
The GPE camera is as good as it's gonna get with an AOSP base, however they're not all the same. Cyanogen utilizes opensource camera and bluetooth drivers, which in the past have caused mucho trouble for me, GPE is the best of both, Google works with HTC to bake in your phones legit drivers, while still giving the vanilla android experience.