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I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
Hey I feel your pain I am still using the Hermes from 3 years ago. I really want this phone but I can't do Sprint (Not enough custom ROM's etc) and Verizon well they just totally suck!! T-mobile is an option but coverage isn't that great here and there is no 3G and I have heard the sound volume is sucky on that one for some reason.
So I am stuck for now. As far as the whole 6.5 thing it really doesn't matter to me because I would just be using a custom ROM from here anyway but I really have no choice but to wait
While the Leo looks bad as hell I think its the first time I have actually thought hmmm maybe that phone is just too damn big for me lol
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Verizon well they just totally suck!! T
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Why do you say that?
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Why do you say that?
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Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
MrDSL said:
Just my personal experience and I told myself long ago I would never give them my money again because of the things they do.
Most of their phones you can't send files like pics and ringtones via bluetooth because that profile is taken out. Alot of phone have GPS locked and WIFI taken out etc.
Again thats just my personal opinion.
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They used to do those things, that's true, but no more, all their smartphones (and regular phones) come with all features (like GPS, Bluetooth OBEX, etc.) intact and ready for use. They have also released ROM updates for many devices, like the original Touch Pro and Omnia that unlock the GPS on them. They said they'd do it, and they did, I am surprised but pretty happy they have
Thats probably true but at this point its the principle of the matter because I have way too many options in my area. Besides they are also the most expensive.
We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-
1.US Cellular
2.Verizon
3.AT&T
4.Metro PCS
5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).
Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.
californiarailroader said:
They've got the iDud and all the money and glory that goes along with it, do you think they give a crap about the Touch Pro 2?
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Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."
The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.
Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!
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Not me.
I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.
Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.
I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?
Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.
My first post.
I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.
argoldst said:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!
I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.
The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.
Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.
The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.
The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.
Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
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Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."
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SoapDoctor said:
My first post.
Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
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I highly doubt it.
i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02
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I'm pretty much at my breaking point with this company. Between empty promises, botched hardware and being the last of the majors to even release the new technology, let's just state what goes without saying: AT&T should rename themselves to iPhoneT&T because they've apparently bet the farm on that overrated piece of crap and in turn have thrown their Windows Mobile business clients under the bus.
No amount of excuse makes sense or matters any more. The iPhone 3GS has been on the market for plenty of time. If someone was gonna buy it, they'd have bought it by now. If they were waiting for WinMo 6.5, they could have released it as an update rather than making their clients wait while every other major phone company released it. Not to mention the fact that the "consortium" of US carriers have kept HTC from releasing unlocked versions for U.S. consumers. God forbid they didn't get their over-charging grubby hands on a few extra shekels. For the love of everything sacred, HTC is already leaking the HTC Leo and I have yet to see a TP2 outside of a T-Mobile showroom!
AT&T has lost it's focus and I'm at the point where waiting for them to get off their sorry butts to release a phone (of which they're going to screw up the hardware, let's be frank) has become a near impossibility and I'm about ready to jump ship.
That leads me to two questions: Who's with me and where the heck should I go?
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Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),
I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.
So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.
Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.
I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).
Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.
Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.
Buying a phone without contract is unlocked?
Or is it still under the current plan? Or new plan with that carrier?
No. It will still be carrier locked if you buy it from them. It will be carrier locked unless its explicitly stated otherwise.
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No. It will still be carrier locked if you buy it from them. It will be carrier locked unless its explicitly stated otherwise.
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Yep, this is generally the case. Unless buying an unlocked European phone. Aka buy the phone put any carrier SIM in it that works on those GSM bands.
OP, if you buy the phone on a contract you can always take it to a new line/account on the same carrier by switching SIM cards, but the obligation lies in paying the old contract out, that's where the ETF is. The bonus of buying a phone unlocked, or at least unsubsidized is not having the carrier contract.
Oh okay, the main reason I asked is because I seen a thread and someone was talking about trading in there phone for the Incredible S and someone said to buy it for like 599 or something unlocked and it just gave me the idea that buying a phone at the retail price meant your not tied down to a contract hence price, which seems to make sense.. But also makes sense that you are in fact tied down to that specific carrier hence buying from them.
The contract price is to lock you in basically, and the retail price is because you ALREADY have a contract and simply want to switch your device without messing up your contract. OR... maybe your credit isn't the greatest so just paying out of pocket is your best bet!
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Oh okay, the main reason I asked is because I seen a thread and someone was talking about trading in there phone for the Incredible S and someone said to buy it for like 599 or something unlocked and it just gave me the idea that buying a phone at the retail price meant your not tied down to a contract hence price, which seems to make sense.. But also makes sense that you are in fact tied down to that specific carrier hence buying from them.
The contract price is to lock you in basically, and the retail price is because you ALREADY have a contract and simply want to switch your device without messing up your contract. OR... maybe your credit isn't the greatest so just paying out of pocket is your best bet!
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You've got it. If you've got a contract already and don't want to extend it or aren't eligible for an upgrade, you can pay full price for the phone and just insert your SIM card.
Should also be said that GSM phones can be unlocked with unlock codes to be used on different carriers in different countries etc.. This isn't much of an issue in the US because T-mobile and AT&T are the only 2 big national's that offer GSM service (aside from Simple Mobile, etc. but those are on AT&T/T-mo towers anyways), and they operate on different 3G frequencies so unlocking your T-mo phone will only get you EDGE on AT&T and vice-versa. So really the only reason to unlock is for international travel.
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You've got it. If you've got a contract already and don't want to extend it or aren't eligible for an upgrade, you can pay full price for the phone and just insert your SIM card.
Should also be said that GSM phones can be unlocked with unlock codes to be used on different carriers in different countries etc.. This isn't much of an issue in the US because T-mobile and AT&T are the only 2 big national's that offer GSM service (aside from Simple Mobile, etc. but those are on AT&T/T-mo towers anyways), and they operate on different 3G frequencies so unlocking your T-mo phone will only get you EDGE on AT&T and vice-versa. So really the only reason to unlock is for international travel.
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Thanks! What do you think is faster at&t or tmobile? I'm really liking my service, tmobile doesn't have the best coverage but when 4g kicks in, its fast. Tmobile will be switching to hpsa++ so I can't wait for that.
At&t seems obsolete because of veriPhone.
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Oh okay, the main reason I asked is because I seen a thread and someone was talking about trading in there phone for the Incredible S and someone said to buy it for like 599 or something unlocked
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They probably meant for a retailer not associated with your carrier. There are various cellphone vendors online, etc. that sell phones unlocked. Carriers don't sell unlocked phones typically. Its against their self interest. The only reason cell companies sell phones at all is to lure new customer and retain existing ones. They make little or no profit from selling phones.
If you buy a phone full retail price from your carrier, you can use it on your current plan. But its not really linked to a plan. Some carrier will let you walk into a store and buy a phone for full price without a contract or service with them even, I believe. Although some apparently won't. With a GSM phone, it doesn't really matter, you can swap your SIM in and out of whatever device (as long as its SIM locked to your carrier, or unlocked, and uses the same frequency bands). Its the SIM that is linked to your account, not the device.
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Thanks! What do you think is faster at&t or tmobile? I'm really liking my service, tmobile doesn't have the best coverage but when 4g kicks in, its fast. Tmobile will be switching to hpsa++ so I can't wait for that.
AT&T seems obsolete because of veriPhone.
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AT&T is the second largest cell carrier in the country, and that was true long before the iPhone. And they only barely trail Verizon in the number of customers. Why would VZN getting the iPhoney make AT&T obsolete? If anything, I personally feel that things are looking BETTER on AT&T for Android users. Now that iPhone exclusivity is gone, AT&T has the freedom to release some REAL Android devices (which they are now doing).
It seems that AT&T's network size has also been a hindrance in its move to 3G, and now 4G. T-Mob seems to be well ahead of AT&T in deploying 4G/HSPA+. Just based on comments on these forums, it seems that people are getting up to 7 Mbps on T-Mob in some areas, with number often being in the 4-5 Mbps range. Best I've seen on AT&T is just under 4 Mbps, with the typical case being more like 2-3 Mbps. And I haven't seen any comments by AT&T users on here and the AT&T forums about getting any faster than that (and often slower). Plus AT&T has only stated theoretical download speeds of "up to" 6 Mbps on HSPA+ (and thats probably optimistic), so we likely won't see any faster than that until they deploy LTE. But as you said, T-Mob coverage tends to not be the greatest in some areas.
I'd ask around with friends, co-workers, etc. in your local market to try to determine which carrier has the best coverage and data speeds in your area. Also compare plan prices and phone selection, and from there determine which carrier is best for you.
i have seen the t-mobile thread but no mention of att. do any of you smart fellas know:
1. is this phone coming to att and
2. will it have lte (dealbreaker for me as i'm looking to the future)?
3. if no to either of the previous, how can i convince my girl to leave att for verizon when she gets a discount at att?
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Unlocked version will work on atnt. Why convince your girl to pay more with a crappy company just so you can get a phone? How would you like it if she convinced a guy to get with her and leave you because he had bigger....discount?
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
I'm on ATT as well and to be honest with you i've saved my pennies and am waiting for the unlocked version to come to US. If the nexus comes to att it wont be for a while. I also doubt that there will be an ATT LTE version of this phone. And thats not a deal breaker as there is no LTE coverage in my area from either of the big two US providers and I dont expect it anytime soon.
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i have seen the t-mobile thread but no mention of att. do any of you smart fellas know:
1. is this phone coming to att and
2. will it have lte (dealbreaker for me as i'm looking to the future)?
3. if no to either of the previous, how can i convince my girl to leave att for verizon when she gets a discount at att?
edit: and yes i have googled and read for days...
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I dont know who your girlfriend works for but alot of companies like mine have discounts on all the carriers
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Unlocked version will work on atnt. Why convince your girl to pay more with a crappy company just so you can get a phone? How would you like it if she convinced a guy to get with her and leave you because he had bigger....discount?
I invented cyberspace. You're trespassing.
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i don't want to go to verizon by any means, and i have little fear of my girl finding a bigger...discount, lol. assuming the unlocked version has lte that works, i am fine with that.
arvest, altimax, and only att...
att "claims" that it will be rolling out to 55% of the nation by end of 2012 and 80+% by 2013. i'm pretty sure i'm in there and thinking you maybe as well unless your a hilljack...
Houston is supposed to be lit up but i could care less. Lte battery life is horrendous. Its still early tech. And hspa+ is plenty fast as is and can be turned up faster and still do faster and better on battery than current lte. Lte phone probably wont be on my radar for at least two years. In the meantime, i hope the nexus can hold up for ~2 years.
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assuming the unlocked version has lte that works, i am fine with that.
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No, the unlocked version does not have LTE. You'd be getting the HSPA+ version for use on AT&T. The only LTE version is CDMA/LTE for Verizon.
If you stay with AT&T, you surely won't be disappointed with the HSPA+ speeds.
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No, the unlocked version does not have LTE. You'd be getting the HSPA+ version for use on AT&T. The only LTE version is CDMA/LTE for Verizon.
If you stay with AT&T, you surely won't be disappointed with the HSPA+ speeds.
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i have the atrix, i know what hspa+ can do and it's fine. i'm starting to think it may just be better to wait for a ics handset next year, i have just always wanted a nexus and thought this was finally my chance, but i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for a phone and not even get tech that will last over 6 months. sigh...such a beautiful phone though...pure...google...sob
AT& T gets (officially) nexii a few months later, so with patience LTE MAY be a reality (come spring). I personally think this is reinforced by the rumors/leaks of a US Cellular (who hasn't even began 4G LTE rollout- unless they cut a roaming agreement with Verizon) LTE GN.
Yes the unlocked HSPA+ one will work, but i think there is a reason why Verizon is the "exclusive launch" for the LTE version, and not just the exclusive carrier of the LTE version... I think there is a reason why that wording was chosen.
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i have the atrix, i know what hspa+ can do and it's fine. i'm starting to think it may just be better to wait for a ics handset next year, i have just always wanted a nexus and thought this was finally my chance, but i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for a phone and not even get tech that will last over 6 months. sigh...such a beautiful phone though...pure...google...sob
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I'm assuming you're indicating that your only option would be importing a phone? I'd just wait a couple weeks and see if it will be available unlocked in the US. If it is, then you'll be able to pick one up under $600, and won't have to import.
As far as AT&T carrying it with a subsidy, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. I don't see it happening.
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i have the atrix, i know what hspa+ can do and it's fine. i'm starting to think it may just be better to wait for a ics handset next year, i have just always wanted a nexus and thought this was finally my chance, but i'm not gonna pay 800 bucks for a phone and not even get tech that will last over 6 months. sigh...such a beautiful phone though...pure...google...sob
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I feel ya, I recently glanced through sprint's plans and pricing and am considering switching over. Hope they get a Nexus phone XD.
systoxity said:
I feel ya, I recently glanced through sprint's plans and pricing and am considering switching over. Hope they get a Nexus phone XD.
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Ugh. I used to be with Sprint. Their plans are nice, but their coverage really isn't great, their 3G is abysmally slow, and their WiMax (even when you can get it) isn't worth the battery drain.
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I'm assuming you're indicating that your only option would be importing a phone? I'd just wait a couple weeks and see if it will be available unlocked in the US. If it is, then you'll be able to pick one up under $600, and won't have to import.
As far as AT&T carrying it with a subsidy, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. I don't see it happening.
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I'm assuming importing would be the quicker option as i don't see the US getting an unlocked version until verizon is done with it and by then other phones (quadcores) will be sporting ics and it won't matter. i want 4.0 pure and would prefer lte for the future but i don't see myself getting that this month unless i import. do you think differently?
I have to be honest...Im truly shocked it wasnt ATT trying to get exclusivity going.
They seemed Android lusty after iphone went to VZ. Dont know why they wouldnt go after the GN.
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I'm assuming importing would be the quicker option as i don't see the US getting an unlocked version until verizon is done with it and by then other phones (quadcores) will be sporting ics and it won't matter. i want 4.0 pure and would prefer lte for the future but i don't see myself getting that this month unless i import. do you think differently?
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What I'm saying is we really don't know... anything. So just hang out a couple more weeks and see. Don't make some decision based on rumor and speculation. I don't see VZW having a long exclusivity (if any). I also don't see other carriers picking it up for subsidy. There's no money in the Nexus program (compared to made-for-carriers locked handsets with carrier bloat and control). I do see it coming to the US unlocked very soon though. Google has no reason not to.
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I have to be honest...Im truly shocked it wasnt ATT trying to get exclusivity going.
They seemed Android lusty after iphone went to VZ. Dont know why they wouldnt go after the GN.
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i wish they would do what samsung has done with the galaxy s line. actually i wish they would all do this. the galaxy s is on all carriers (although with a few changes as the carriers feel they want to buy to be different). this approach is the start of one of androids biggest problems, splintering. if motorola, samsung, sony, and google gave all the carriers the droid, galaxy, ericson/expieria, and nexus lines to all carriers, splintering would be less of a problem. but carriers are to greedy and spend millions for exclusive rights on lines instead of puuting money into projects worthy of such funds (um, 4g). i am glad ics unifies android a bit more but i am still certain that hardware will still have to be worked with in order to work right that's why i think the gnexus has tried and true hardware instead of the latest and greatest...which is why i want the phone so bad. here is to the future of only a handful of android devices, one of the few things apple almost got right.
Speculation on AT&T
THIS IS PURE SPECULATION AND INTERPOLATION FROM THE PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIPS OF AT&T AND THE NEXUS LINE
I am going to go ahead and call that there will be an official AT&T LTE model in as early as about two months, but no later than 6 months- with 5-6 months being more likely. (Sadly this seems like it will be well past the GN's industry-driving moment)
Path to this ASSUMPTION:
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus One launched 71 days after the T-mo version.
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus S launched 231 days after the T-mo one.
There has been a (possibly fake) leak of an LTE version on a regional carrier that has not focused on LTE (to my knowledge) yet- If there is a possibility it will go to them as LTE why not to a carrier that has (limited) LTE now? (also, as I acknowledge in an earlier post this is probably through a roaming agreement on Verizon's LTE network, but US Cellular would still have to market/talk about/make a big deal about it, and the fact that they haven't really hyped it tells me that it isn't ready yet)
AT&T's network arrived earlier than originally thought- phones on it were planned originally for 2012, as per their comments to questions at the Atrix4G announcement last winter. We now have two phones launched on the network. I am not saying they sped up network development for the GN (far from it- AT&T seems to hate the Nexii), but the network has been sped up and is now in place for the GN to take advantage of.
I say that 5-6 months is more likely because of three reasons:
Statistically (which if you know about statistics, this doesn't mean much), the average delay time (from device launch to AT&T specific launch) is 151 days.
AT&T does not trust/like having unlocked developer/Nexus devices in the hands of the masses on their network (they have lightened up on this somewhat lately), and so will push off the launch of an official GN as long as they can (as they have done).
Like the Nexus S (which had a delay time of 231 days), the GN is made by Samsung who seem to take a little while getting US phones out the door, and so the AT&T model will probably see a similar delay as the AT&T NS.
I should also add that I don't think AT&T has ever subsidized a Nexus phone- so don't expect them to with this one either. Like I said, they seem to hate the prospect of these unlocked developer phones running around on their network. Funny thing is, I have three friends who work for AT&T and all of them have the Nexus S, and they tell me all the time how much the engineers hate them having "open" devices. Craziness.
Hate on me if you want for feeding the speculation fire, but this is how I see it playing out. And honestly, despite my initial disappointment, I think I am fine with a wait time like that. I hope I'm wrong on it, but it will be fine.
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THIS IS PURE SPECULATION AND INTERPOLATION FROM THE PREVIOUS RELATIONSHIPS OF AT&T AND THE NEXUS LINE
I am going to go ahead and call that there will be an official AT&T LTE model in as early as about two months, but no later than 6 months- with 5-6 months being more likely. (Sadly this seems like it will be well past the GN's industry-driving moment)
Path to this ASSUMPTION:
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus One launched 71 days after the T-mo version.
There was an official AT&T banded Nexus S launched 231 days after the T-mo one.
There has been a (possibly fake) leak of an LTE version on a regional carrier that has not focused on LTE (to my knowledge) yet- If there is a possibility it will go to them as LTE why not to a carrier that has (limited) LTE now? (also, as I acknowledge in an earlier post this is probably through a roaming agreement on Verizon's LTE network, but US Cellular would still have to market/talk about/make a big deal about it, and the fact that they haven't really hyped it tells me that it isn't ready yet)
AT&T's network arrived earlier than originally thought- phones on it were planned originally for 2012, as per their comments to questions at the Atrix4G announcement last winter. We now have two phones launched on the network. I am not saying they sped up network development for the GN (far from it- AT&T seems to hate the Nexii), but the network has been sped up and is now in place for the GN to take advantage of.
I say that 5-6 months is more likely because of three reasons:
Statistically (which if you know about statistics, this doesn't mean much), the average delay time (from device launch to AT&T specific launch) is 151 days.
AT&T does not trust/like having unlocked developer/Nexus devices in the hands of the masses on their network (they have lightened up on this somewhat lately), and so will push off the launch of an official GN as long as they can (as they have done).
Like the Nexus S (which had a delay time of 231 days), the GN is made by Samsung who seem to take a little while getting US phones out the door, and so the AT&T model will probably see a similar delay as the AT&T NS.
I should also add that I don't think AT&T has ever subsidized a Nexus phone- so don't expect them to with this one either. Like I said, they seem to hate the prospect of these unlocked developer phones running around on their network. Funny thing is, I have three friends who work for AT&T and all of them have the Nexus S, and they tell me all the time how much the engineers hate them having "open" devices. Craziness.
Hate on me if you want for feeding the speculation fire, but this is how I see it playing out. And honestly, despite my initial disappointment, I think I am fine with a wait time like that. I hope I'm wrong on it, but it will be fine.
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Ant never had a 'branded' nexus device is just compatible release of the phone.
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Ant never had a 'branded' nexus device is just compatible release of the phone.
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Yeah, that's why I said "banded" not "branded"
Oops. Whistles and walks away.
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Okay, I searched and found no other posts that seemed to answer my question, so here it goes:
I recently changed employment and as a result lost my access discount with VZW. As a result, I couldn't afford their service any longer. I went to Best Buy and bought a burner smartphone so I could try out TMobile's network in my area (a $50 investment after returning the phone itself) I paid off my edge finance plan and ported my family plan over to T-Mobile. Short story, I saved myself $100 a month......other than no access to 4g service in my area yet, I'm very happy. Call signal is 3 bars stronger at my home than it was with VZW: -85dBm 14asu)
wow...sorry for the rant, here is what I'm looking for help with:
The Rep at the TMo store was able to unlock my device, saving me from buying a new one. This allowed my to plug a TMo SIM into the phone and access their networks without any issue (other than no access to LTE, which doesn't matter since it isn't available in my area yet anyway) I am wondering if it is possible to install the RUU for the TMo version of the One and get OTA's and possibly even access LTE once it gets here? This saves me from going thru the hassle (and financial loss) of selling this device and getting one from TMo.
I get the feeling it's a long shot, but if anyone can figure it out, it would be this community
Any helpful input (even if its to tell me I'm SOL) is welcome.
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Okay, I searched and found no other posts that seemed to answer my question, so here it goes:
I recently changed employment and as a result lost my access discount with VZW. As a result, I couldn't afford their service any longer. I went to Best Buy and bought a burner smartphone so I could try out TMobile's network in my area (a $50 investment after returning the phone itself) I paid off my edge finance plan and ported my family plan over to T-Mobile. Short story, I saved myself $100 a month......other than no access to 4g service in my area yet, I'm very happy. Call signal is 3 bars stronger at my home than it was with VZW: -85dBm 14asu)
wow...sorry for the rant, here is what I'm looking for help with:
The Rep at the TMo store was able to unlock my device, saving me from buying a new one. This allowed my to plug a TMo SIM into the phone and access their networks without any issue (other than no access to LTE, which doesn't matter since it isn't available in my area yet anyway) I am wondering if it is possible to install the RUU for the TMo version of the One and get OTA's and possibly even access LTE once it gets here? This saves me from going thru the hassle (and financial loss) of selling this device and getting one from TMo.
I get the feeling it's a long shot, but if anyone can figure it out, it would be this community
Any helpful input (even if its to tell me I'm SOL) is welcome.
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The only way you would be able to gain access to their LTE network is if the phone has the hardware required for their frequencies. The developer edition One ships without T-Mobile LTE support enabled, but since the hardware is physically there, people were able to get on to LTE by flashing a T-Mobile radio to it.
My2k1rS said:
Okay, I searched and found no other posts that seemed to answer my question, so here it goes:
I recently changed employment and as a result lost my access discount with VZW. As a result, I couldn't afford their service any longer. I went to Best Buy and bought a burner smartphone so I could try out TMobile's network in my area (a $50 investment after returning the phone itself) I paid off my edge finance plan and ported my family plan over to T-Mobile. Short story, I saved myself $100 a month......other than no access to 4g service in my area yet, I'm very happy. Call signal is 3 bars stronger at my home than it was with VZW: -85dBm 14asu)
wow...sorry for the rant, here is what I'm looking for help with:
The Rep at the TMo store was able to unlock my device, saving me from buying a new one. This allowed my to plug a TMo SIM into the phone and access their networks without any issue (other than no access to LTE, which doesn't matter since it isn't available in my area yet anyway) I am wondering if it is possible to install the RUU for the TMo version of the One and get OTA's and possibly even access LTE once it gets here? This saves me from going thru the hassle (and financial loss) of selling this device and getting one from TMo.
I get the feeling it's a long shot, but if anyone can figure it out, it would be this community
Any helpful input (even if its to tell me I'm SOL) is welcome.
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You could turn it in to a paperweight by flashing anything other than stuff made for the Verizon One...no matter what, it's still a Verizon phone. Your best bet would just be selling it and getting a T-Mob phone.
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I figured as much, but thank you both for your input.
I'll deal with my almost-fully-functional unit until the next gen One comes out later on this year
My2k1rS said:
I figured as much, but thank you both for your input.
I'll deal with my almost-fully-functional unit until the next gen One comes out later on this year
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That's a good call...that thing should be pretty awesome. Too bad my wife hates my tech obsession
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I received my LG G4 in the mail on June 2 via Verizon pre-order. After briefly going through the various features, I noticed that Themes, Smart Settings, and User Profile options were not on my phone. I contacted Verizon who responded by stating that I have a faulty phone or that Verizon removed those features (depending on who I talked to). I compared my phone to a Sprint version while at Best Buy today and noticed that these features are not missing from their phones. I then went to the Verizon store who confirmed that those features are not on their version of the phone (VS986) and that I would be responsible for a $50 restocking fee if I were to return it. LG customer service also claimed that the phone's features varied by carrier. So. . .I am either stuck with a reduced feature phone if I were to remain with Verizon or pay $50 and go with another carrier within 12 days (14 day return window) and get an LG G4 phone that actually has its advertised and reviewed capabilities. I am trying to determine if there are more features missing to facilitate making a decision as well as considering third party apps to compensate. Anyone else in the same boat?
I would just go to YT and check other people videos out on the LG G4 Verizon model to make sure its not there either. If there not then I would just tell them to wave the $50 fee and switch carriers.
I found your thread while looking for the same information. I was looking for those features on my new verizon phone and they are missing. I am going to root the #*@$ out of this phone as soon as I can. I'm so sick of verizon, if they didn't have the best coverage in my area I would bail in a heart beat.
I noticed this from the G4 section of Reddit. Some of those owners filed a complaint with Verizon and was able to get a full refund without a restocking fee.
Verizon ALWAYS does this. They strip off LG, HTC and Samsung browsers as well as whatever feature or app they want. I guess so they can load their bloatware bs and not eat too much memory..who knows. I despise Verizon
I'm new to Verizon and gave the carrier the benefit of the doubt that the omission of these features was a temp mistake. Now I am leaning towards t-mobile pending the status of their version that I will check tomorrow. I don't see why the features are removed. Did Verizon save money or something by getting a "cheaper" version from LG. . .not sure what their motive could be. Hopefully they will receive some backlash from customers and LG (if possible). I posted a negative review on Verizon's page a few days ago (which hasn't been approved yet) as well as asked why these features were not included on their version.
It won't affect Verizon. They've always butchered phones this way. ..
I ran my Verizon S4 rooted from day 1, i forget about all the stupid crap they do to the phone. I can't wait to strip all the verizon crap out of it and run a nice custom rom on this phone.
Not that big of deal for me personally didnt buy the phone for those features, honestly didnt know they were missing till now
Great info, I knew something would be missing. Ever since my Fascinate its been like this. That's why I turn to this community and root all the things!
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i havent seen profile changing on mine? wonder if its missing. how would i check those features?
besides in a way isent it better, this way less stuff verizon puts on it, more smoother the phone can run
Phurkus said:
i havent seen profile changing on mine? wonder if its missing. how would i check those features?
besides in a way isent it better, this way less stuff verizon puts on it, more smoother the phone can run
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Better? How does stripping LG features equal less stuff Verizon puts on the phone? This phone is NOT short on Verizon bloat, only LG apps and features that most everyone else has.
I just switched from Verizon to T-Mobile about a month ago and this is one of the reasons why. I got tired of the massive amount of butchering, bloat and removing features they do to the phones. My T-Mobile still has some bloat on it but not the obscene amounts that Verizon slaps on their phones.
So yes, it is normal for Verizon to remove features from their phones.
There are some wifi and network settings missing that I have seen referenced on other carrier G4's.
What a load of crap.
LG SmartWorld
Smart Settings
Multi-user accounts
FM Radio
Themes
Custom lock screen
Really? Themes and lock screens? Ugh....
Source:
http://www.androidcentral.com/here-are-things-verizon-lg-g4-doesnt-have-other-variants-do
Wasn't aware of the other missing features. Since, coverage isn't that significant of a factor for me (coming from Virgin Mobile), I am going to return my phone (and my wife's) and get at least one fully featured G4 through another carrier. And I thought that coverage, cost (plan, access), insurance, promotions, etc were sufficient factors to consider when I made this purchase. Now I have to factor in removal of a phone's features relative to the carrier. No likey.
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What a load of crap.
LG SmartWorld
Smart Settings
Multi-user accounts
FM Radio
Themes
Custom lock screen
Really? Themes and lock screens? Ugh....
Source:
http://www.androidcentral.com/here-are-things-verizon-lg-g4-doesnt-have-other-variants-do
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Add LGs browser and tasks app to that list. Welcome to Verizon, this is normal here
I am contemplating on getting this phone on verizon in August and waiting for Developers on here to find an exploit and/or a way to unlock the BL or to switch to T-mobile and have them pay off my phone balance and ETF. The problem I'm having is the cost difference. My wife would have to switch to a single line because she would likely stay with verizon. Right now, we share 10gb a month on two lines and we are only paying 160. I have my phone on Edge and so we get $25 off a month plus I receive a discount through my employer. Basically it will cost us more for me to switch to T-Mobile than for me to compromise on this Verizon feature stripped G4. I've even contemplated getting a Z3V or HTC One M9. But I am leaning more towards just settling for the VZW G4.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
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Juice3250 said:
I am contemplating on getting this phone on verizon in August and waiting for Developers on here to find an exploit and/or a way to unlock the BL or to switch to T-mobile and have them pay off my phone balance and ETF. The problem I'm having is the cost difference. My wife would have to switch to a single line because she would likely stay with verizon. Right now, we share 10gb a month on two lines and we are only paying 160. I have my phone on Edge and so we get $25 off a month plus I receive a discount through my employer. Basically it will cost us more for me to switch to T-Mobile than for me to compromise on this Verizon feature stripped G4. I've even contemplated getting a Z3V or HTC One M9. But I am leaning more towards just settling for the VZW G4.
Any suggestions on what I should do?
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Verizon strips every non Nexus Android phone of features. They also don't mess with Iphones because they can't. I was surprised that the Note 4 didn't appear to be missing much, but the S6/G4 more than made up for that with as much as they've stripped. If I had another option for a carrier (especially t-mobile) then I would go elsewhere and not hesitate. I have tried Sprint and AT&T, both have beyond poor coverage in my area (Sprint doesn't even have 4g, they borrow other peoples towers here) so I'm stuck. I am hoping T-mobile finds a way to get some coverage here, but it isn't likely.
Nobody can make a decision for you, but if you have coverage options, consider yourself lucky =p
Yeah I live in south eastern michigan around Ann Arbor. Kevin the tech ninja who reviews tech on YouTube now actually lives in SE michigan as well. I've talked with him a little bit and he switched to T-mobile and is pretty happy with it.
But I am thinking I could do without the extra features for a while. Then when the boot loader is unlocked, the likelihood is high, then slowly I'll be able to get some of those features back or some added ones that can replace them. I have been looking to buy a phone that I wouldn't have to root and flash roms on. But my thinking is software is updatable and can be changed. Hardware can't be changed. At least not yet.
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