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I currently have a Note 2 on an unlimited family plan add-a-line, a Samsung 7.0+ on a 3 gig, $10 data plan that the store rep ASSURES me is grandfathered, and an AT&T Nokia 520 (best $40 phone ever!) as a backup. I'd like to add a bigger data enabled tablet into the mix but I'm undecided whether to get a 5100 to occasionally swap my phone sim into OR an AT&T model to replace the 7.0+ on the data line. I've also considered the international Tab 3 8.0 (T311) instead of the 5100.
I live in Chicago, a strong LTE and 1900 city (AWS HSPA seems to be getting worse though). I've also considered a Nexus 7 LTE thorough T-Mobile (Wi-Fi price!) but don't think it'd be a huge improvement for the money spent over what I already have. Roms and development don't matter much to me, just root for Adaway, Cerberus, and some de-bloating. I'm also not a gamer beyond Tetris. The S-pen is handy for the basketball leagues I work but I think I could work around that. I average 10 gigs a month, almost all through Netflix.
5100's and T311's are hard to find used and are running about 400 and 320 respectively new on Amazon. Used AT&T Note 8's are much more common and seem to go for around 250 on Swappa, often with a case.
I've also read that T-Mobile seems to view the AT&T Note 8 as a phone though it doesn't make cellular calls (does it have sms ability? I really like that option on my 7.0+) and the 5100 as either a phone or tablet.
Any thoughts on battery life as a phone or anything else about my idea? I've had a hard time finding battery stats on specifically the cellular models; my Note 2 has spoiled me!
If I do get one of the voice enabled tablets I could see going between just that and Nokia (as a compact option, also much easier to swap sims than with my Defender wrapped Note 2!) and not having a data only line.
/ramble
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I currently have a Note 2 on an unlimited family plan add-a-line, a Samsung 7.0+ on a 3 gig, $10 data plan that the store rep ASSURES me is grandfathered, and an AT&T Nokia 520 (best $40 phone ever!) as a backup. I'd like to add a bigger data enabled tablet into the mix but I'm undecided whether to get a 5100 to occasionally swap my phone sim into OR an AT&T model to replace the 7.0+ on the data line. I've also considered the international Tab 3 8.0 (T311) instead of the 5100.
I live in Chicago, a strong LTE and 1900 city (AWS HSPA seems to be getting worse though). I've also considered a Nexus 7 LTE thorough T-Mobile (Wi-Fi price!) but don't think it'd be a huge improvement for the money spent over what I already have. Roms and development don't matter much to me, just root for Adaway, Cerberus, and some de-bloating. I'm also not a gamer beyond Tetris. The S-pen is handy for the basketball leagues I work but I think I could work around that. I average 10 gigs a month, almost all through Netflix.
5100's and T311's are hard to find used and are running about 400 and 320 respectively new on Amazon. Used AT&T Note 8's are much more common and seem to go for around 250 on Swappa, often with a case.
I've also read that T-Mobile seems to view the AT&T Note 8 as a phone though it doesn't make cellular calls (does it have sms ability? I really like that option on my 7.0+) and the 5100 as either a phone or tablet.
Any thoughts on battery life as a phone or anything else about my idea? I've had a hard time finding battery stats on specifically the cellular models; my Note 2 has spoiled me!
If I do get one of the voice enabled tablets I could see going between just that and Nokia (as a compact option, also much easier to swap sims than with my Defender wrapped Note 2!) and not having a data only line.
/ramble
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i have an at&t i467 on tmobile with the 200mb for life plan. i've made phone calls with talkatone at the time and have used it with sms. i just finally got a phone recently so i dont dwell on my note 8.0 much. i'm too busy on my ipad mini lte and nexus 7 lte also on tmobile network. i have quite a bit of electronic devices, lol.
I have the N5100 and the Tab 3 (Sprint variant). The 5100 is my primary phone. The Tab 3 functions as the head unit in my car. T-Mobile classifies the 5100 as a smartphone, I had it on their $30 5 GB plan. Curiously, they also allow it on their 200 MB data only plan. This is what was reported on the thread entitled i467 Adding Phone Support: *
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I have my SGHI467 ATT tablet unlocked and running on T-Mobile, and here is a little bit that I learned, just as an fyi. * I originally tried to get T-Mobiles free 200MB/month data plan, but my IMEI in their system comes up as a phone, not a tablet. And it DOES matter which model you have. I went back and forth with them for a month before I decided to get the 30 dollar unlimited data plan (to do this go to T-Mobile and buy a microsim for 10 bucks.
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At minimum, this suggests T-Mobile distinguishes between the 5100 and 467 models. I know that AT&T's database flags the 5100 as a smartphone, so unless a store employee manually overrides the system, it cannot be registered on an AT&T data only plan. If you want to do this, find a clueless employee (I did it a year ago, they may wiser on by now).
Battery life is probably not as good as what you've experienced with the Note 2. According to my battery monitoring app, I average 4 hours of on screen time (100% -> 20%). I typically have brightness set to auto +3, WiFi off, Bluetooth off, GPS off. For me, most days, it lasts all day but needs to be charged every night.
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Thank you, that was very helpful! I'd imagine the 8" voice Tab 3 has similar battery life then. I usually get about 6 hours screen time on my Note 2.
The size (and being able to use my unlimited data) would be great but it sounds like there are too many compromises for me as a primary mobile device. I actually scored a LNIB LTE Nexus 7 two days ago at a SWEET price that I still shouldn't have bought, but I'll probably still keep my eyes open for a cheap i467 as I can live with the camera and battery life (I keep my 7.0+ in airplane mode unless I actually need data) on a 2nd/3rd/... tablet.
Thanks guys!
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I have the N5100 and the Tab 3 (Sprint variant). The 5100 is my primary phone. The Tab 3 functions as the head unit in my car. T-Mobile classifies the 5100 as a smartphone, I had it on their $30 5 GB plan. Curiously, they also allow it on their 200 MB data only plan. This is what was reported on the thread entitled i467 Adding Phone Support: *
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At minimum, this suggests T-Mobile distinguishes between the 5100 and 467 models. I know that AT&T's database flags the 5100 as a smartphone, so unless a store employee manually overrides the system, it cannot be registered on an AT&T data only plan. If you want to do this, find a clueless employee (I did it a year ago, they may wiser on by now).
Battery life is probably not as good as what you've experienced with the Note 2. According to my battery monitoring app, I average 4 hours of on screen time (100% -> 20%). I typically have brightness set to auto +3, WiFi off, Bluetooth off, GPS off. For me, most days, it lasts all day but needs to be charged every night.
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I have the AT&T Note 8.0 -SGHi467 on the T-Mobile free 200 MB plan. I went to T-Mobile store and told them I need a SIM card for my Nexus 7 LTE and I need it activated already so that it will work right out of the box, and it did.
Hope this helps.
I also have the AT&T Note 3 on the same plan with another data only SIM card...
So, I picked up a used i467 two months ago and have been using it on my T-Mobile tablet add a line. With the exception of a few small issues, this thing rocks!
Battery life was the first one- manually resetting it fixed that. I now average 7 hours of screen time with 4g and GPS on.
However, it freezes up occasionally, never for more than a few seconds. I also don't get LTE on it in a T-Mobile LTE area. It seems that AT&T may have a firmware lock on that. That's not a deal breaker but I also occasionally have data and signal drops on hspa, even in a strong 1900 area.
Despite the above, I like it so much I'm planning on getting a N5100 as this thing has taken me off my Note 2 in a big way. I just need to check out my two remaining issues.
Are my freezes and signal drops unique to the AT&T model, or could I expect the same issues with a N5100?
I've had the N5100 since shortly after launch. It's my primary phone. I don't have any problem with the screen freezing or signal dropping, but I'm on AT&T's network. Be advised, the N5100 is not LTE. Also, I don't get anywhere close to 7 hours screen time. When actively using GPS with Google Maps running, my battery will go from 100% --> 15% in 2 hours.
Does the Verizon Note 4 allow simultaneous voice and data like the S5 and, basically, all prior android devices on Verizon? Or is it like the Droid Turbo / 2014 Moto X where it won't be doing voice/data at the same time until it receives the VoLTE update?
Yes i am sure it does...even the note 3 did.
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Yes i am sure it does...even the note 3 did.
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I appreciate that, but the same can be said for the Droid Maxx and original X, and the new ones don't do it. Forgive me for being anal, but do you have one in hand or were you saying that just b/c of the Note 3?
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Does the Verizon Note 4 allow simultaneous voice and data like the S5 and, basically, all prior android devices on Verizon? Or is it like the Droid Turbo / 2014 Moto X where it won't be doing voice/data at the same time until it receives the VoLTE update?
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It does, I tried it.
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Voice and data at the same time have been available since Verizon brought out 4g LTE service. If you're in a LTE service area (most of the country with Verizon).... Then voice goes over the old CDMA network and data is on lte. And you can use both at the same time.
VoLTE is different, and is being rolled out to devices.
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Voice and data at the same time have been available since Verizon brought out 4g LTE service. If you're in a LTE service area (most of the country with Verizon).... Then voice goes over the old CDMA network and data is on lte. And you can use both at the same time.
VoLTE is different, and is being rolled out to devices.
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Any idea when we can expect volte update?
mwshows said:
Voice and data at the same time have been available since Verizon brought out 4g LTE service. If you're in a LTE service area (most of the country with Verizon).... Then voice goes over the old CDMA network and data is on lte. And you can use both at the same time.
VoLTE is different, and is being rolled out to devices.
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Only on Android devices (most, not all), and only because they built a "dual" antenna/radio setup on the snapdragon chipsets. But for whatever reason on the new X and Turbo, they went away from that. So the only way to have that function again is with the somewhat unreliable VoLTE.
Thanks for confirming the Note 4 still can...
Was going to say. I have been able to since s3 & first time was with HTC Thunderbolt
Pretty much since lte service
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Voice and data at the same time have been available since Verizon brought out 4g LTE service. If you're in a LTE service area (most of the country with Verizon).... Then voice goes over the old CDMA network and data is on lte. And you can use both at the same time.
VoLTE is different, and is being rolled out to devices.
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Note: This is NOT true for the Motorola Droid Turbo. I have one. I'm returning it for several reasons, this being one. The only way to get simultaneous voice and data is VoLTE which isn't available on the Turbo yet.
I think all Samsung smartphones on Vzw does. Well, every 4G LTE Samsung... and HTC, right?
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Was going to say. I have been able to since s3 & first time was with HTC Thunderbolt
Pretty much since lte service
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Yeah, some phones don't and I'm not sure why. Lower end phones don't either, like iphones for exemple
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The iPhone 6 do have volte but you have to enable it. The downside is that your voice quality could be impacted if your data connection sucked. Didn't sound like a feature that turns on/off automatically with all the warning messages it gave me.
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Note: This is NOT true for the Motorola Droid Turbo. I have one. I'm returning it for several reasons, this being one. The only way to get simultaneous voice and data is VoLTE which isn't available on the Turbo yet.
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Wow I was not aware they still made phones that don't do voice/data at the same time!! Learn something new every day LOL. Thanks for the info though.... Good to know that kind of info.
Seriously who would make a phone that takes a step backwards....
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The iPhone 6 do have volte but you have to enable it. The downside is that your voice quality could be impacted if your data connection sucked. Didn't sound like a feature that turns on/off automatically with all the warning messages it gave me.
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And if your LTE hiccups, you lose your call completely...
Ah, iPhones! I remember having a Blackberry, they both have/had potential. Just lack on progressing in innovation & giving users opportunity to help them grow.
I see Windows phones being a bigger threat to Androids innovation & expansions sooner than Apple here before long. Can't just hold on to ideas, you run with them!
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Does the Verizon Note 4 allow simultaneous voice and data like the S5 and, basically, all prior android devices on Verizon? Or is it like the Droid Turbo / 2014 Moto X where it won't be doing voice/data at the same time until it receives the VoLTE update?
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Note Edge user here and I am really really trying to wrap my head around not being able to simultaneously talk and be on the net without voLTE.
I mean I can multitask windows and can send a text when I'm on the phone.
Excruciating.
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Note Edge user here and I am really really trying to wrap my head around not being able to simultaneously talk and be on the net without voLTE.
I mean I can multitask windows and can send a text when I'm on the phone.
Excruciating.
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Whats excruciating to me is the fact that on my Galaxy Note 4, I could be on a call and surf at the same time on the 4g network. On my Verizon Galaxy Note Edge, I cannot. Thats nuts!
I may have to turn on advanced calling if I want this feature.
I call using Google Hangout dialer. Voice and data works fine like that.
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Note Edge user here and I am really really trying to wrap my head around not being able to simultaneously talk and be on the net without voLTE.
I mean I can multitask windows and can send a text when I'm on the phone.
Excruciating.
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Whats excruciating to me is the fact that on my Galaxy Note 4, I could be on a call and surf at the same time on the 4g network. On my Verizon Galaxy Note Edge, I cannot. Thats nuts!
I may have to turn on advanced calling if I want this feature.
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It's due to the antenna setup.
In order for voice and data to function simultaneously on Verizon without VoLTE, there has to be two separate antennas - one for CDMA and one for LTE. Some of Verizon's recent devices (such as the Note Edge and Droid Turbo) only have one shared antenna, meaning that only CDMA or LTE can run, not both. It's certainly frustrating for many users, and while Verizon's reasoning for this makes some sense, it's still not great at this time for those who use the feature. With the network moving toward LTE-only with VoLTE, Verizon's reasoning is in part based on this - why include additional hardware at additional cost and space (a second antenna) to run voice and data simultaneously when the same feature can be achieved with one antenna and VoLTE? Of course, VoLTE isn't completely ready for prime time, and they're still working out issues, so for many it's not a true replacement at this point. But that's a big reason why some of Verizon's recent phones can't do simultaneous voice and data without VoLTE - Verizon is trying to pave the way for VoLTE adoption.
Which NEW phones support Voice and Data (WITHOUT) using VoLTE... I have a 2013 Moto X that supports this, and refuse to upgrade until I can find a new device that does support this -- where can I find this data? I would imagine some phone (like a Nexus 5X) might support this since it's not made specifically for Verizon? And before it gets asked, VoLTE is too unreliable for my needs --- when using it on my work iPhone 6S calls drop constantly, so I've had to disable it... but still need voice AND data at once. Any resources / sites listing which devices support this feature would be really helpful.
Is hotspotting NOT possible with The Google version of just the Verizon version?
I am in the market for a new phone as I now use a rooted Note 4.
Hotspotting is a MUST for me.
I am on a Grandfathered Verizon Unlimited data plan and use hotspot tethering everyday .
I am wondering if hotspotting problems I see in this forum are with ALL Pixel XL's or just the Non -Google version?
Thank you!
I have a Google play store version of the Pixel XL and I am on Verizon, not a grandfathered plan but a plan that is about a year old or so, I have never been stopped from using my Pixel as a Hotspot. However, I don't use it very often and not for very much data. I can tell you that Verizon has its own firmware for this phone and it updates the same time as the Google firmware but most comments I have seen say that it has more to do with radio/modem optimization for their network. If you have a Verizon SIM the phone will use the Verizon firmware.
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All I can say is after having a rooted phone my whole life this Verizon pixel XL I have is the worst phone I've ever owned. Fwiw.
I'd look at a different device if I were you, this thing is nothing more than a primitive, heavy, awkward brick.
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I can't think of any newer phone that does not have hotspot capabilities.
I personally haven't seen these threads about hotspot problems that you mentioned. There are threads about the network provision checks that people bypass so it doesn't count against the hotspot limit/check for subscriptions, but I haven't seen any problems regarding stock firmware.
Personally I love my pixel. Its had small issues but nothing root and mods here and there didn't fix.
I use hotspot daily for the kids, and often enough I share internet to my desktop via usb, never seen a problem with speed nor connectivity.
Also want to point out I was originally on fi with a Google bought pixel, and it was stock when I switched to Verizon. I never got the Verizon updates and my phone continues to get the generic build (not specific to carrier).
I have a Google Pixel XL, unlocked bootloader, and rooted, stock which I manually update each month with the latest Verizon-specific build (these carrier-specific builds are nearly identical each month - the only differences being in radio optimizations to improve network performance on the designated network). I have had no issues with hotspot / tethering. There are some modifications that you have to complete to truly enable Hotspot tethering for "grandfathered" unlimited plans (I am on one of those as well). The newer plans include a capped hotspot/tethering capability - so you would be able to tether up until you reach that threshold - I believe it is 10 GB / month - but I am not sure.
Here is a forum link to one of the modifications needed to enable tethering via the native hotspot application. This is the one that I have used from the first day I setup my Pixel XL and continue to use today.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-xl/themes/mod-tethermod-systemless-install-guide-t3501448
Thanks and good luck!
P.S. For me personally, the Pixel XL is the best phone I have owned overall. (Past phones: OG Droid, Droid Razr Maxx, Droid Maxx) I love the rapid updates, overall performance, battery life, etc..just a really solid phone. A really good effort for Google's first foray into developing their own phone and from the early reports/leaks, it looks like they will build upon that with the Pixel 2 / Pixel XL 2.
I've recently activated my Google Pixel 2 XL on Sprint and I was wondering if there was anyway to active Sprint calling Plus ( talking with data at same time) like on the Galaxy S8. Also the WiFi calling option is invisible. Did some reading and it appears that a Sprint sim deactivates the option. It's unfortunate that Sprint doesn't seem to care about people bringing their own devices. Anyone have thoughts on this?
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I've recently activated my Google Pixel 2 XL on Sprint and I was wondering if there was anyway to active Sprint calling Plus ( talking with data at same time) like on the Galaxy S8. Also the WiFi calling option is invisible. Did some reading and it appears that a Sprint sim deactivates the option. It's unfortunate that Sprint doesn't seem to care about people bringing their own devices. Anyone have thoughts on this?
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Same here. Huge disappointment. Been with Sprint since they started and want to use my new Pixel 2 XL but found out it's handicapped at Sprint. Here's what's on the Sprint fact sheet for our phone:
Capabilities of the Pixel II XL
Calling Plus: No
•DSU: Yes
•HD Voice: Yes
•HPUE: Yes
•Visual Voicemail: No
•Voice Call Continuity: No
•Voice Roaming: Yes
•Wi-Fi Calling: No
•Wireless Data Roaming: Yes
*LTE Plus does not support talking and surfing the Web at the same time unless also connected to Wi-Fi.
I brought my Moto X PE to Sprint 2 years ago and have been without these important features for too long. I think, though a little more expensive, Project Fi is in our future. I'm going to try it over the next month. Apparently you can switch between carriers with the eSIM and Fi app.
C'mon Sprint, support the Pixels!
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Same here. Huge disappointment. Been with Sprint since they started and want to use my new Pixel 2 XL but found out it's handicapped at Sprint. Here's what's on the Sprint fact sheet for our phone:
Capabilities of the Pixel II XL
Calling Plus: No
•DSU: Yes
•HD Voice: Yes
•HPUE: Yes
•Visual Voicemail: No
•Voice Call Continuity: No
•Voice Roaming: Yes
•Wi-Fi Calling: No
•Wireless Data Roaming: Yes
*LTE Plus does not support talking and surfing the Web at the same time unless also connected to Wi-Fi.
I brought my Moto X PE to Sprint 2 years ago and have been without these important features for too long. I think, though a little more expensive, Project Fi is in our future. I'm going to try it over the next month. Apparently you can switch between carriers with the eSIM and Fi app.
C'mon Sprint, support the Pixels!
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Thanks for the info man. Yea it's super depressing how Sprint handicaps this phone. Just the thought that I could put in a different Sim from another carrier and get those features bugs me lol.
How does sprint do it for the S8? I thought VoLTE required a network upgrade on their part which would therefore make it available to all phones
I found a way to make VoLTE calling work on my unlocked s8 plus may be it helps on pixel too
1. In Nova launcher add widget -> Activities (add LTE test and enhanced lte services)
2. Add LTE Test -> click VoLTE Test UI-> turn on first 2 setting.
3. Add Enhanced LTE Services and select this option.
4. Restart
Unfortunately don't see anything like those settings on my Sprint 2XL. I even tried the directions in this Note 8 thread. https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/help/voltecalling-plus-sprint-note-8-t3696341
Hello -
I've done some searching online and here on XDA as well and have found some old threads on VoLTE with AT&T, but am hoping to get some more recent information. I'm currently on Verizon, but it's just not working for me in the areas I spend the most time (such as the office where I work). Got to test drive an AT&T sim card in those same locations and the difference is night and day (average download speed of 1mbps on Verizon vs 11mbps on AT&T).
According to the AT&T site, VoLTE is supported on the Pixel 2 when running a certain software version and above. But nothing about the regular Pixel (which probably means no official AT&T support).
Has anyone gotten VoLTE to work with AT&T on the Pixel 1?
And otherwise, is it really such a big deal to not have it? I don't really care about HD voice, but I do care about being able to call at any point, and being able to have a data connection while on a call (but again, is it really such a big deal? Not like I'm always on the phone, mainly want a solid data connection).
Thanks.