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Roms w/ descriptions... WHERE?

Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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3ndless said:
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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This took like 0.1 sec on google:
http://alchemistar.blogspot.com/2010/11/samsung-epic-4g-custom-rom-list-1110.html
A list is not maintained on XDA.

Go here! Click on your model below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:Samsung_Epic_4G.png

3ndless said:
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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Just look up "Samsung Epic 4G Rom XDA" on google and you'll find a whole selection of roms. Then just read their descriptions and some comments to find out what they're all about. I'm a little disappointed that this was you first contribution to the XDA forums...

RandomKing said:
Just look up "Samsung Epic 4G Rom XDA" on google and you'll find a whole selection of roms. Then just read their descriptions and some comments to find out what they're all about. I'm a little disappointed that this was you first contribution to the XDA forums...
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Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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3ndless said:
Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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Oh relax, it's all in good fun. We answered you .
But you'll have a lot of questions, we all do, and you'll get your answers faster 9 times out of 10 by checking if someone already asked them first.

RandomKing said:
Oh relax, it's all in good fun. We answered you .
But you'll have a lot of questions, we all do, and you'll get your answers faster 9 times out of 10 by checking if someone already asked them first.
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Ok, really sorry for the bother I could cause its just that i've been looking in Google about this and its very confusing. ALWAYS appears something new about this theme & I want to already finish with it to fully enjoy my equipment.
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Theme? What do you mean?
-Sent from my custom INC Epic.

Hey I was new to it myself and as long as you can put your phone in dowload mode you have really nothing to worry about just make sure your cable is good and you have the stock rom and your good
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3ndless said:
Wow, don't need to be so "Humble" you guys, thanks anyways...
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Random's post was actually very humble, some people get crucified for not searching lol

We do need a clearer documentation of ROMs
Personally, I think OP's request is completely valid. There are a multitude of ROMS. The roms really don't have any specific vision statement such as "My goal is to be the most stable rom" "my goal is to be the most bleeding edge ROM" "my goal is to be the quickest ROM" or "my goal is to be the fastest ROM, even if stability suffers". Instead each rom seems to be a person who then does some personal tweaks and incorporates the generally available tweaks others have posted.
There's also not a clear change from version to version other than, (hopefully), the release notes which may list "teaked X", "changed Y" which doesn't help me understand if the next build is more stable, smaller, faster, or what.
Also, it's hard to tell the riger put into the software development process. While some ROMs are team built and significantly tested, it's hard to tell which. I assume ACS and Bonsai both have many people testing for many weeks prior to releasing a ROM, but I don't know that. And for the smaller ones, I have no clue.
Ultimately, it would help for someone who has enough experience with each ROM to document the differences. Alternately, a template for ROM developers to fill in each version might help. Something like.
GOAL OF ROM: (if multiple goals, list in order of importance to the developer)
DEVELOPER/DEVELOPERS: (by name, handle, or # of developers)
MAJOR BUILDS INDICATE A CHANGE IN... (time, tweaks, base build, etc)
CODE MANAGEMENT PROCESS: (formal repository, versioning in development package, 1 set of source files edited in VI with no backups or versions)
TEST PROCESS: (length of test, number of test subjects, any stress tests/unique situations/or boundary scenarios included in testing)
SUPPORT OPTIONS: (post on board, email development team, IRC, fire and forget, normal response time, etc)

You need to do what I and most of us did....read the threads following the ROM releases. Every phone is different but if 10 people on the ROM thread report Bluetooth issues and BT is important to you, don't use it. There are no info shortcuts here. Read the ROM threads.
Do you BONSAI?

Unfortunately, it's completely impractical to read through hundreds of posts per ROM to understand the pre-existing bugs with each ROM. Additionally, those bugs are tied to a build. The build they are associated with is usually not apperent from the posts.
The only way to keep up is to skim each rom regularly so you can maintain the current state of each ROM. it doesn't allow people to come in from a cold start and understand what's going on. That would be a good thing to add to the manifest listed above though:
KNOWN OUTSTANDING ISSUES:
REPORTED BUGS:

gdbassett said:
Unfortunately, it's completely impractical to read through hundreds of posts per ROM to understand the pre-existing bugs with each ROM. Additionally, those bugs are tied to a build. The build they are associated with is usually not apperent from the posts.
The only way to keep up is to skim each rom regularly so you can maintain the current state of each ROM. it doesn't allow people to come in from a cold start and understand what's going on. That would be a good thing to add to the manifest listed above though:
KNOWN OUTSTANDING ISSUES:
REPORTED BUGS:
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Most of the big developers make an effort to list the large and recurring issues in the first page of the thread. Most other bugs tend to be one-offs caused by a bad flash or failure to wipe data prior. I understand where you're coming from, as I felt the same way when I first jumped in. Mind you, I got the phone in November of 2010, began actively following various threads within a few weeks, gained a vast amount of knowledge on the matter, didn't first root until the EB13 update in February, and didn't even sign up to the forum until March, after which I began helping others with problems I had found answers to months before even making my first post.
I don't preach hypocrisy. I generally criticize an oft-repeated question while also answering it or linking it to one of many long-existent answers. I preach learning by reading. If I tell you how to fix something today, you'll come back with a problem tomorrow because you didn't earn the knowledge for yourself, and you didn't understand what you did. The age-old parable:
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you teach a man to fish, you feed him for a lifetime!"
I strongly suggest everyone read as much as they can to understand as best they can! Take your epic to the toilet and read in your spare time!
While your idea is a noble one, it's a much larger undertaking than you're giving it credit for. Developers would have to collaborate to give a list of specifications, known bugs, etc. to one thread. Someone would have to oversee this thread, take in additional posts to this thread, and append them to the front page continuously. The end result would be roughly what each individual thread already attempts to achieve, with a much larger scale of chaos and a huge problem with out-of-date details.
The list Kenny linked contains a list of known Epic roms and their latest update. You could make this an XDA thread, but I can't say that trying to include every detail and bug beyond that of every rom is a good idea.
That said, look around. Find a Rom. Read about its details. If it sounds good to you, give it a test run! Use what works for you, don't obsess about which one is the "best".
-Written by a man with nothing to do during his lunch break.

No one should be "jumping in cold" and rooting and throwing on ROMs. I got my phone in September, read through posts on ROMs that had features I liked, then 6 weeks later rooted and tried a few ROMs. There are videos now in the General stickies to help cut down on the reading but as stated every phone is different right out of the box. One ROM may cause a messaging issue with a small group whereas another Bluetooth issues. Most developers list known bugs being worked on in the OP.
Do you BONSAI?

try this on youtube
qbking77 on youtube. put in search box 'How to Root Samsung Epic and flash SyndicateFrozenRom 1.1.0/1'. cannot post a link at this time, I'm too new

Actually, I read XDA every day (work's been slow recently). I've rooted my phone and installed more roms than I can count. (Also rooted my wife's and her viewsonic gtab.)
I agree that the major rom builders do a much better job of managing and documenting their development process than most 1-man outfits. However, I still can bearly tell the difference from 1 ROM to the next or 1 build of a ROM to the next. (As far as I can tell, what we have are pretty much the same ROM a dozen different times with slightly different bugs.) A standard for ROM developers to fill in would hopefully help them in focusing their ROM as much as it helps people in understanding the goals of their rom.
As for the effort involved in keeping it up-to-date, most of the worthwhile developers update their main post or start a new one at each major build. Adding some structure to that update wouldn't be a significant increase in hastle.
on a completely separate note, I understand where you are coming from with the "teach them to search" montra. (I helped moderate a very large everquest form for years.)
Since then though, I've realized that, while it's very popular on message boards, it's not very useful. You have to either have a very good understanding of where on a message board to look for the information you are interested in or you need to be a very skilled searcher. Otherwise you end up spending a significant amount of time pouring through poorly summarized search results which don't address your question without knowing if there IS an answer somwhere. While the (here are similar threads) function of vBulletin is reasonably useful, the xda search powered by google is impossible.
Wiki's form a MUCH better way of collecting answers to message boards than bulletin boards do. Unfortunately, you need your WIKI and your forum tightly integrated, (which means a CMS rather than vBulletin + mediawiki). Also, you need forum posters who, after answering a question on the forum, turn right around and post the answer into a wiki page to ensure it was there for the next person

(Actually, it'd be really cool if every Q&A forum on XDA, instead of pointing to a normal forum, pointed to a wiki answers type software install (http://wiki.answers.com/) tailored for XDA. That would hopefully significantly cut down on re-asking of questions. )

3ndless said:
Hi, to this and i'm looking to install a new rom on my Epic 4G but like every person, I am afraid to damage my new equipment.
I'm looking for some stable Roms to flash my Epic but don't know where to look for them with a good description of what does work- what doesn't-what will improve with it... Thing's like that. If anyone can help me, i'll apreciate. =)
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You can look in the development area, the threads are there for the ROMs. Typically the first few posts of a ROM thread will be the information about it. Then read a few of the pages (near the beginning and the last few) to get a feel for what users are experiencing during their use of the ROM.
That should give you the information you're looking for.
Good luck

I would suggest you look into the following excellent ROMs
Midnight v 5.3 which is based on Bonsai. This is my favorite and Rob is very helpful about his and other peoples ROMs
Bonsai itself which you have to go to their site for
Syndicate Frozen 1.1.1 from ACS.
Frankenstein when ecooce finishes the newest one. This is based on the ACS ROM
There are some other ones on here that I just don't know as much about. All of the developers use each others stuff so no matter what you go with it is better than stock.
You will learn a lot from your mistakes when flashing ROMs but the trick is to read a lot through the forums so you can learn from others mistakes.
Samsung Epic Midnight

Mods, I request an enforced ROM thread template

I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?

Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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MOVZX said:
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?

jonasb said:
thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..

I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!

+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.

mugetsu666 said:
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
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azzledazzle said:
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.

Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us

I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.

I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.

rawrfische said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
Matt

I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous

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Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...

yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.

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I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!

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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?

That's y it was moved less attention.

[Q] Upgrading from 2.2.1 to Jelly Bean… ROM recommendations?

Decided not to upgrade officially to any newer version… so that I could easily root onto a custom ROM.
That was a year ago now—
Exploits available for my ROM (from running 'X-Ray'):
ZergRush
Gingerbreak
Backup program planning to use (once ROOTed):
- Titanium backup? [feel free to recommend alternates]
Planning to use one of these ROMs (feel free to suggest others):
[ROM][3-2-13]UNOFFICIAL MIUI V4.1 3.2.1 for HTC Desire Z [JB4.1]
[ROM][Feb/01/2013] AOSP - Jelly Bean 4.2.1 - Build 09
Can you recommend a good—i.e.: fast and stable—mod ROM for my Desire Z?
Thanks for all suggestions,
Alec Taylor
BTW: How do you think the speed compares between a mod Jelly Bean mod and stock Froyo?
PS: I still want to be able to use Google Apps, such as GMail, Market &etc.

huh, first of all best roms and recommend me a rom questions arent really to be asked, your best to search a bit and then try a few out to see whats best.
while your at it search out the xda wiki to see how to root your phone, the ways you mentions probably wont work and if they do there are far better ways now
comparing across versions of andorid is hard to do, especially 2.2 to 4.1, things start becoming to relative to answer. but yes you can always use google apps in android roms, gmail and market (playstore) have been around since android 1.0 and i doubt they will get dumped

Can you recommend better ways of ROOTing the phone?
Also, what difference in battery-life should I expect; moving from stock Froyo to modded Jelly Bean?

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huh, first of all best roms and recommend me a rom questions arent really to be asked, your best to search a bit and then try a few out to see whats best.
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Why do people answer with this stupid answer?
He asking people to post their (good and fast) ROMs so he can see what most people use and works for them.
By your logic, the best ones are the ones whos thread is the smallest because it has no bugs. Or is it the biggest because there is always active development? Who knows?
Just recommend him a ROM.
Anyways, personally I was using Andromadus Mimicry v1.5.0 (ICS) Pretty nice update from latest stable CM. CM is still a BIT more stable but AM and its ICS are great.
Just got my phone back from repair and Ill problably try out a 4.2 ROM as Ive been DYING to run it. If not Ill problalby go back to AM.
Or you could go the demkantor way and flash and format and flash and format and flash and format and flash and.....well you get the point and be bored all day configuring different ROMs over and over again....
Also battery life tends to be better than ANY stock ROM

seriously.... other than being against xda rules SEE HERE it is a pointless question that clutters thread all over xda.
i also like the conclusion youve made about what my logic is, and if you really think about it i never even came close to implying that rather the opposite as i suggestion to do some homework first.... a little reading goes along way.
also i did attempt to answer the questions as best as i could without holding his hand through the process of rooting and choosing a rom, being pointed in a direction to do some research is far better than saying yeah root the lazy way and install mimicry, dont learn how to use your phone and when things dont seem right start another thread on a simple subject that has been covered dozens of times in the past month, dont search, the search button is for losers.
and again why answer with what rom to use? maybe this user is in need of the best camera possible or the absolute most cutting age rom, neither is mimicry, although its a great rom it might be terrible for this guy.
asking the best rom can be akin to asking whats the best music, and then what artist, then what cd to get, then what track to listen to. and no thats not going too far as that is exactly what happens on xda every day.... "
how should i root, now what rom to flash, now what mods should i use, is this the kernel for me, any good apps i should get, how about a radio i hear i should change that should i?"
so yeah sorry for rambling on here and wasting more electronic ink but please try not to take me out of context, i try to be a very helpful person here and give back as much as ive been given from xda but its the simple things that people dont learn or at least refuse to that bugs me
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demkantor said:
seriously.... other than being against xda rules SEE HERE it is a pointless question that clutters thread all over xda.
i also like the conclusion youve made about what my logic is, and if you really think about it i never even came close to implying that rather the opposite as i suggestion to do some homework first.... a little reading goes along way.
also i did attempt to answer the questions as best as i could without holding his hand through the process of rooting and choosing a rom, being pointed in a direction to do some research is far better than saying yeah root the lazy way and install mimicry, dont learn how to use your phone and when things dont seem right start another thread on a simple subject that has been covered dozens of times in the past month, dont search, the search button is for losers.
and again why answer with what rom to use? maybe this user is in need of the best camera possible or the absolute most cutting age rom, neither is mimicry, although its a great rom it might be terrible for this guy.
asking the best rom can be akin to asking whats the best music, and then what artist, then what cd to get, then what track to listen to. and no thats not going too far as that is exactly what happens on xda every day.... "
how should i root, now what rom to flash, now what mods should i use, is this the kernel for me, any good apps i should get, how about a radio i hear i should change that should i?"
so yeah sorry for rambling on here and wasting more electronic ink but please try not to take me out of context, i try to be a very helpful person here and give back as much as ive been given from xda but its the simple things that people dont learn or at least refuse to that bugs me
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Not actually against XDA rules, its just viewed fouled on this section. And BTW, I made a thread like that (and Im going to as soon as I charge my Desire Z) and I did not get any warning for it, so it is hardly enforced.
You actually answered your own question with "why answer what ROM to use?" If the OP wanted a iPhone like expirence, people would problably recommend him MIUI ROM. If the OP wanted a better ROM based on what his HTC stock one is, people would recommend him a Sense ROM.
Now, what I DO NOT approve of is a thread like:
Title: What ROM do I get?
Message:
Hello
What ROM do I put on my phone?
Thanks
No. That, I do NOT agree with as it shows the user has had no thought and/or hasnt even tried.
And of course asking the best music is vague. But asking the best artist BECAUSE I LISTEN TO THIS TYPE OF MUSIC is NOT vague. So very bad example.
Also, remember that XDA has over the years gone from very talented and technical developers to hobbiests to complete n00bs that want to do this and get it over with. Not that that is a good thing....

In every forum there is post from the moderators saying not and it because of your very last line, they're trying not to allow this form to turn into a wasteland of the same pointless thread over and over, trying to get people to search a bit and get answers on their own. If you feel that's not a good thing then why promote it?
And yes the genre is android and the artist is the vision, so we already don't need to answer that. And then it comes down to the album and the track to listen to... but why keep explaining my metaphor, you obviously disagree so whatever.
either way it is a waste and the less crap that's all over these threads the easier it is for the new people to sift through making the question less necessary to even ask.
But go ahead and keep asking and answering them for obviously its better to turn this forum into clutter, I am the one in the wrong here and should keep my mouth shut
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Given measurable metrics which mod ROM and ROOTing method would you recommend?
demkantor said:
asking the best rom can be akin to asking whats the best music, and then what artist, then what cd to get, then what track to listen to. and no thats not going too far as that is exactly what happens on xda every day....
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Non sequitur.
You are comparing subjective things such as music with objective things such as metrics.
I asked a very specific question—with a single follow-up—asking a very well defined question.
To reiterate:
Given measurable metrics—battery_life>=current_ROM, stability>=current_ROM, upgrade_version==Jelly Bean, phone_model=Desire Z, current_ROM==2.2.1—which mod ROM and ROOTing method would you recommend?
Thanks for all suggestions

....best rom is subjective....very subjective....done squabaling on that
Best rooting method is any using gfree to exploit which involves downgrading first, search out the xda wiki or the cyanogen wiki or strawmetals pdf guide, all have been covered many times in this thread and if your search button isn't working use google. Pick a guide, read, understand, follow every step, if you get stuck, read some more, if still confused ask
You will have vastly different experiences across different android platforms, niether you or I will know what os to run for you until you try a bunch, battery life is determined more by how you use your phone and how good your battery is rather than what rom you have. Search and you will easily find many thread giving tips on improvements
Happy flashing
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So you want Jelly Bean, and for crying out loud it's not like there's a billion different JB ROMs to choose from... If this was the nexus 4 forum, maybe this question would be slightly less pointless.
So atm in terms of JB we've got 4.1 and 4.2 . Step 1 - do you have to have the latest? If yes, easy peasy, go for Andromadus CM10.1 for features or Andromadus AOSP 4.2 or Fyodor's 4.2 for speed, then pick Fyodor's if you needs the latest kernel stuff.
You don't mind not having the latest? Go for 4.1, get Jelly Belly for stability, MIUI for... MIUI stuff, if you want that, Andromadus CM10 for features or Andromadus AOSP 4.1 for speed. Don't go for Fyodor's, he stopped 4.1 at build 4 or 5. Also don't go for my PA port, atm it's ****.
For rooting... What demkantor said.
Wow, that logic was hard. I'm gonna go get a cuppa whilst my brain recharges.

[Q] Best AOSP rom (most stable and everything working)? What about stock based?

Hi guys,
Just wondering if there's a general consensus on the most stable AOSP rom? Preferably one that doesn't have anything (major) broken - e.g I can live without voice search, I must have a fully working camera, etc. Also built to be stable as a rock. Are the AOSP roms vulnerable to the SDS?
Or are they not quite there yet?
For those of you not on AOSP, what stock-based roms do you like? I don't really understand the difference between stock and things like ARHD for example? How stable is it compared to stock, and what about battery life? My 4.1.1 battery was incredible but 4.1.2 isn't so good.
Cheers!

Hi guys,
Just wondering if there's a general consensus on the most stable "What's the best ROM" thread? Preferably one that doesn't have anything (major) broken - e.g I can live without newbies opinions, I must have a fully detailed answers, etc. Also built to be the most stable as a rock thread, one that even the mods won't delete for being the 500th repeat thread. Are the AOSP roms threads vulnerable to the SDS (Sudden Deletion Syndrome)?
Or are the threads not quite there yet? Do we need another one?
For those of you not on XDA regularly, what stock-based roms threads do you like? I don't really understand the difference between searching and posting yet another thread for example? How silly is it compared to other threads, and what about sarcasm life, how quickly will my threads be mocked? My first thread was incredible but this "What's the best ROM" isn't so good.
Cheers!

Android Revolution HD (14.0 for the Galaxy Note 2) is probably the closest you're going to come to what you want. It's based on the stock ROM, but lordy! is it fast. And rock solid. Has a built-in installer that allows you to remove (or not) the Samsung cruft. Been using it since version 9, and I am quite happy with it. Check the thread in the developer forum.

muppetmania said:
Hi guys,
Just wondering if there's a general consensus on the most stable "What's the best ROM" thread? Preferably one that doesn't have anything (major) broken - e.g I can live without newbies opinions, I must have a fully detailed answers, etc. Also built to be the most stable as a rock thread, one that even the mods won't delete for being the 500th repeat thread. Are the AOSP roms threads vulnerable to the SDS (Sudden Deletion Syndrome)?
Or are the threads not quite there yet? Do we need another one?
For those of you not on XDA regularly, what stock-based roms threads do you like? I don't really understand the difference between searching and posting yet another thread for example? How silly is it compared to other threads, and what about sarcasm life, how quickly will my threads be mocked? My first thread was incredible but this "What's the best ROM" isn't so good.
Cheers!
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Hilarious! No seriously, thanks for taking the time to satirise the thread without taking note of some of the questions I'd asked.
I've searched long and hard about SDS and not getting anything at all concrete about the implications of using AOSP. We don't all have the £500 to throw around and just risk bricking our device because somebody is to pretentious to actually help out someone that has taken the time to look but still needs some guidance.
iCurmudgeon said:
Android Revolution HD (14.0 for the Galaxy Note 2) is probably the closest you're going to come to what you want. It's based on the stock ROM, but lordy! is it fast. And rock solid. Has a built-in installer that allows you to remove (or not) the Samsung cruft. Been using it since version 9, and I am quite happy with it. Check the thread in the developer forum.
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Hi mate, thanks for the response. ARHD was great on my desire HD when I used it almost 2 years ago on that, and it looks to be the best stock rom for my needs - I appreciate the first hand review though! Still trying to get my head around aosp roms, many of which without buglists and uncertainties regarding SDS :/

Tamen said:
Hilarious! No seriously, thanks for taking the time to satirise the thread without taking note of some of the questions I'd asked.
I've searched long and hard about SDS and not getting anything at all concrete about the implications of using AOSP. We don't all have the £500 to throw around and just risk bricking our device because somebody is to pretentious to actually help out someone that has taken the time to look but still needs some guidance.
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SDS Thread
What - is - the - best - ROM
The sad truth of SDS is that no one really knows (sure, there's a LOT of speculation) anything about it. I know 3 people with S3's who have had their phone die after they upgraded to the latest Sammy Official "patched for SDS" ROM. It's sadly a gamble we all take.
Anyway, if you're really done some research then I apologise. You didn't mention that at all in your original post, it looked like another "I'm too lazy to research this, bring it to me on a platter" thread.

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SDS Thread
What - is - the - best - ROM
The sad truth of SDS is that no one really knows (sure, there's a LOT of speculation) anything about it. I know 3 people with S3's who have had their phone die after they upgraded to the latest Sammy Official "patched for SDS" ROM. It's sadly a gamble we all take.
Anyway, if you're really done some research then I apologise. You didn't mention that at all in your original post, it looked like another "I'm too lazy to research this, bring it to me on a platter" thread.
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Whilst the title is generic the inside of the thread was a bit more particular - with the SDS focus - and so given that nothing was out there I'm not really sure of the point of putting "honestly I've searched please don't kill me" because this is my 3rd device I've played with and used xda for and I know how petty a lot of forum members can be, it simply wouldn't make a difference.
The SDS thread is naturally where I started but has extremely limited info for aosp rom. The what is the best rom threads you posted are largely redundant given the lack of information or type of experience they're looking for is provided. Most are a waste of everyone's time and given how quickly development rakes place even if they were relevant they could still quickly be outdated.
Your tone in your first reply suggested that the answers were blindingly obvious and even a moron like me could find them with the most primitive of searches. Instead you've just admitted that no one really knows and it therefore was a valid question - a bit more thought before posting could go a long way.

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Whilst the title is generic the inside of the thread was a bit more particular - with the SDS focus - and so given that nothing was out there I'm not really sure of the point of putting "honestly I've searched please don't kill me" because this is my 3rd device I've played with and used xda for and I know how petty a lot of forum members can be, it simply wouldn't make a difference.
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The point of telling people you've done some research is so that they don't assume you're lazy. Sadly, most people ARE lazy. SDS focus? You mention it once, in passing.
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The SDS thread is naturally where I started but has extremely limited info for aosp rom. The what is the best rom threads you posted are largely redundant given the lack of information or type of experience they're looking for is provided. Most are a waste of everyone's time and given how quickly development rakes place even if they were relevant they could still quickly be outdated.
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And you were hoping to create the "What is the best ROM" thread that wasn't a waste of everyone's time?
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Your tone in your first reply suggested that the answers were blindingly obvious and even a moron like me could find them with the most primitive of searches.
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Right, for your generic "Which is the best ROM" question. There's heaps of them out there already and none of them answer it because it's such a subjective question.
Tamen said:
Instead you've just admitted that no one really knows and it therefore was a valid question - a bit more thought before posting could go a long way.
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I like how you're trying to pretend your whole first post was all about SDS. Sure, it totally was. My bad.

Liquid Smooth ROM, no doubt! It's perfect! I haven't had any crashes and glitches yet!
I would prefer the Slim Bean JB ROM but, the camera doesn't work (build 5). Once the camera issue is fixed, I am going to revert back to Slim Bean JB

Hi all, I'm the OP for the Grand ROM Survey (TW and AOSP) for the N7100.
57 ROMs and 160 versions selectable.
I'm requesting your participation so that there is enough data to objectively answer the question "popular" and "best" as there is a scoring feature that allows ROMs to be ranked.
Please submit as many entries as you wish based on the ROMs and versions you've tried.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232765
Thanks !!!!

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Liquid Smooth ROM, no doubt! It's perfect! I haven't had any crashes and glitches yet!
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Liquid smooth is the best ! As for Tw based rom try X note Zero edition.Its light weight, fast and amazing.The size of the rom is under 400 mb.Try it !
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Which ROM performs the best on the ZF2?

The selection of ROMs available is a bit overwhelming. Which one should I be using?
Stock? (Rooted ofcourse)
SuperZen?
Prism?
CM12.1?
Slim?
Omni?
Carbon?
Euphoria?
Paranoid?
And don't say flash them and see for yourself. I don't HAVE TIME to flash all of them, nor am I remotely interested in tinkering with the settings on each and every ROM. I just want to get the best value out of my phone. Aesthetics aside, do they have any notable key differences between them such as stability, performance, battery life, memory usage, or are they all relatively equivalent in that department?

I feel this thread will get flammed.
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jason4962 said:
I feel this thread will get flammed.
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Why? Are less experienced members not allowed to inquire the more experienced members here?

Using PA, and I never had a 2.3 GB free on my RAM since I bought this phone!
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I tried CM12.1, but there were annoying bugs for me, the phone got warm and battery life was bad.
I went to SuperZen and everything is pretty much like Stock, not much difference other than not having to disable and hide as many apps.
I really wish this phone had better battery life.

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Why? Are less experienced members not allowed to inquire the more experienced members here?
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Yes they are, but best Rom, best kernel threads are frowned upon. All the developers here give their work for free and all strive to provide the best possible software. So in this case comparison equals criticism. You really need to decide what you want and make your decision based on your own reading of the respective threads.
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corrsea said:
Yes they are, but best Rom, best kernel threads are frowned upon. All the developers here give their work for free and all strive to provide the best possible software. So in this case comparison equals criticism. You really need to decide what you want and make your decision based on your own reading of the respective threads.
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Exactly!
Also, the best rom for one person may not be the best for someone else. Everyone uses their device differently, so there's really no other way to know what will work the best other than trying out a few.
Also, you may want to have a look at the sticky threads. (sorry mods, I'll get out of the back seat now)....
Sent from my Golden Zenfone 2

Engr.Jymie said:
Using PA, and I never had a 2.3 GB free on my RAM since I bought this phone!
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i see windows user here. Tell me, why do you buy a 4gb of ram phone if your system uses only 2gb? Android has good ram managment and i love to see 200 mb free ram, then i know it's worth. It's like buying a ferrari car for 20 kmph on country roads.

You didn't understand it, haha, Imagine this, when I'm in the stock ROM, my free RAM is always less than 1GB, then here you are saying it only consume half.
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You should try SlimLP, there aren't any bugs so far, and you get this for your SOT(if you use it efficiently)
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At this state, most ROMS are almost identical. Only a couple have the actual ROM's features. Our PA doesn't have hover/peek (yet). I think only Slim Rom and Team EOS have their features activated. But most (CM based) ROMS have the same bugs.

corrsea said:
Yes they are, but best Rom, best kernel threads are frowned upon. All the developers here give their work for free and all strive to provide the best possible software. So in this case comparison equals criticism. You really need to decide what you want and make your decision based on your own reading of the respective threads.
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I don't see the harm in criticism, so long as it's constructive. If I was developing a product, and my work wasn't up to par with what the people wanted, I feel it would be a disservice to myself and to others to blatantly shun / ignore criticism that could possibly help me develop a superior product.
Are people here really that thin skinned?

Devhux said:
Exactly!
Also, the best rom for one person may not be the best for someone else. Everyone uses their device differently, so there's really no other way to know what will work the best other than trying out a few.
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That may be the case, however, if you read my OP, I clearly state that I am looking for user feedback on KEY differences between the ROMs which affect EVERY single ZenFone2 user (if any exist at all?). Ntrasme just stated that they are all basically identical at this point. Can anyone else testify/confirm that?
Personally, I've tried a few of the CM12.1 derived ROMs myself and did not notice any major differences between them other than a few slight aesthetic changes, which makes me wonder if there is any legitimate reason as to why I should use one over the other

scala_ said:
That may be the case, however, if you read my OP, I clearly state that I am looking for user feedback on KEY differences between the ROMs which affect EVERY single ZenFone2 user (if any exist at all?). Ntrasme just stated that they are all basically identical at this point. Can anyone else testify/confirm that?
Personally, I've tried a few of the CM12.1 derived ROMs myself and did not notice any major differences between them other than a few slight aesthetic changes, which makes me wonder if there is any legitimate reason as to why I should use one over the other
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Literally every ROM will be useful to different people.
Install a ROM. Decide if you like it. OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ THROUGH EACH ROMS THREAD. Please do not clutter the forum with this type of post. It is completely unnecessary. The ROM that works well for me may not work for you. Features I may love, you may have no use for. Literally just spend a few hours or days reading reading reading and more reading up on all these ROMs, and install ones you think will work. You will not receive an answer you are looking for here.

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Literally every ROM will be useful to different people.
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And yet, certain aspects between ROMs are universal to all people.
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Install a ROM. Decide if you like it. OR YOU CAN ACTUALLY READ THROUGH EACH ROMS THREAD. Please do not clutter the forum with this type of post. It is completely unnecessary.
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Not unnecessary if you actually comprehend and understand what I'm asking about. Re-read my post kthx.
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The ROM that works well for me may not work for you. Features I may love, you may have no use for.
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Re-read my post please. Features, bells and whistles between ROMs are one thing, however, key differences such as performance, stability, memory usage, battery life, etc. are another, which I feel are not nearly as subjective as what you are trying to suggest.

scala_ said:
And yet, certain aspects between ROMs are universal to all people.
Not unnecessary if you actually comprehend and understand what I'm asking about. Re-read my post kthx.
Re-read my post please. Features, bells and whistles between ROMs are one thing, however, key differences such as performance, stability, memory usage, battery life, etc. are another, which I feel are not nearly as subjective as what you are trying to suggest.
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To be honest you have to deside for yourself. No time to flash is not a reason at all. We are all busy and yet spend some time to flash and find our own perfect roms. Developers spend 10x more of that time to bring us FREE rom to flash. Ill give you an example. Says rom #1 is my best rom. i love it give me the best battery life i wanted but it lags here and there which for me its fine. But for a power user. Someone who play games or someone with lots of apps may find it annoying to have lag here and there. And might not care so much about battery therfor labeling the rom not his/her favorite. My setup is unrooted. Looked bootloader. I hate my sot but i have quick chargers at my work. Homr and car. So im good lol
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scala_ said:
And yet, certain aspects between ROMs are universal to all people.
Not unnecessary if you actually comprehend and understand what I'm asking about. Re-read my post kthx.
Re-read my post please. Features, bells and whistles between ROMs are one thing, however, key differences such as performance, stability, memory usage, battery life, etc. are another, which I feel are not nearly as subjective as what you are trying to suggest.
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Oh, I've read your post. And your answers are already all over the dev sections of this forum. Each rom has its own thread, in which users discuss said rom. There you will find people talking about stability, memory usage, etc.
Every.single.one.of.those.is.answered.
Not only in each respective forum, but in your thread. You've already been told. You just didn't like the answer. You are cluttering up the forum.

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Oh, I've read your post. And your answers are already all over the dev sections of this forum. Each rom has its own thread, in which users discuss said rom. There you will find people talking about stability, memory usage, etc.
Every.single.one.of.those.is.answered.
Not only in each respective forum, but in your thread. You've already been told. You just didn't like the answer. You are cluttering up the forum.
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Nah, I've looked through each and every one of those threads and clearly it didn't contain the information or answers I was looking for. For one, I've yet to see honest, unbiased and fair comparisons on the key differences between the ROMs. Just because you personally don't find a certain topic of discussion useful doesn't make it clutter. With that said, if you feel my thread clutters the forum, maybe you should stop contributing to the "clutter".

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Nah, I've looked through each and every one of those threads and clearly it didn't contain the information or answers I was looking for. For one, I've yet to see honest, unbiased and fair comparisons on the key differences between the ROMs. Just because you personally don't find a certain topic of discussion useful doesn't make it clutter. With that said, if you feel my thread clutters the forum, maybe you should stop contributing to the "clutter".
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Here is a video a MOD made back in 2012 that describes how to use the search bar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snf0UOVik0M
What specific questions about CM do you have? Post that in the CM Q/A thread
What specific questions about SlimLP do you have? Post that in the SlimLP Q/A thread
honest, unbiased comparison? So if JoeSchmoe XDA user just says "Oh, I'm unbiased", does that mean you'd believe them? Don't look for a comparision guide; Instead, look at threads and/or websites of EACH rom you are considering, and they will tell you every nook and cranny of that rom. Then, you can make an informed decision about which rom to try FIRST. Don't like it? Pick another.
You are not the first, nor the last, to post this exact thread here for the Zenfone 2, even though the phone is barely a few months old.
If you cannot take the time to gain knowledge on the process and the differences of the roms yourself, you should not be attempting to flash a custom firmware.
We are all here for the love of development and technology.
I suggest that if you want a perfect rom, that is the best of all worlds, that you take up programming and show us all how superior you are. :good:

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Instead, look at threads and/or websites of EACH rom you are considering, and they will tell you every nook and cranny of that rom.
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Not true. Alot of the ROMs are still in testing, and even the devs dont even know every nook and cranny on wtf is going on. Reason I started this thread is to figure out core differences. Usually there is a de facto consensus on what is the best ROM to use on a device, but with ZF2 apparently that's not the case as each ROM is basically equivalent / derived from one another.
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We are all here for the love of development and technology.
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so what if i told you there were people here who just want the best option for their phone, and could actually benefit from a comparison guide between the list of ROMs, because *GOD FORBID* they could careless about investing their time into the development and tech side of things because:
a) they have actual jobs.
b) a life.
c) would rather spend that time trying to get laid instead of nerding it out.