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ROOT de la Vega now available for T-Mobile Note3 :)

So... after first being impatient and buying a T-Mobile Note3 on Craigslist to use on AT&T and then later seeing how the bootloader locked AT&T Note3 was rooted by DG and Chainfire I ended up getting a contract renewal with AT&T after all and went with the AT&T Note3.
Now I thought I might try to experiment a little and see if I can replicate that root method on the T-Mobile Note3 because it's so brilliant and doesn't trigger the Know warranty void flag.
I can confirm it works just as well on the T-Mobile Note3 !!
ALL CREDIT for the method goes to DesignGears and Chainfire! The Original Thread is HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2474422
All steps are exactly the same. THIS IS ONLY FOR N900TUVUBMI7 firmware, so that must be the current one installed on your phone.
Please follow all steps in the original AT&T thread, just skip the oneclick.exe and start with flashing the root_de_la_vega.tar using ODIN.
There is not really a need to so this if you already rooted with the AutoRoot method and triggered the Knox flag. This is for the careful guys who have NOT rooted yet, only want root (no custom ROM or recovery) and would rather like to preserve that Know Warranty 0x0 Flag
Link to the needed file for T-Mobile Note3 is HERE:
http://www.electron73.org/XDA/N900T/ROOT_DE_LA_VEGA-TMO.ZIP
Enjoy

Nice! If I wanted to go stock again, can I just flash the stock firmware in odin and it wont trip the knox flag?

lm that guy said:
Nice! If I wanted to go stock again, can I just flash the stock firmware in odin and it wont trip the knox flag?
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Unfortunatley, once you trip the Knox Flag you can't untrip it - doing Odin to Stock will return you to stock but it does not remove the Knox flag...once it's tripped - it's tripped.

mocsab said:
Unfortunatley, once you trip the Knox Flag you can't untrip it - doing Odin to Stock will return you to stock but it does not remove the Knox flag...once it's tripped - it's tripped.
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Oh no I haven't tripped my Knox flag yet I was asking if I use this method to root and I wanted to go back to stock later down the road, Will I trip the Knox flag if i odin the official stock firmware?

Its good to have this method available for those who are very conscious of Knox falg/warranty. Personally:
I will be doing a full root on my second N3. I have to; in the memory of my first N3... RIP where ever you are now.

lm that guy said:
Oh no I haven't tripped my Knox flag yet I was asking if I use this method to root and I wanted to go back to stock later down the road, Will I trip the Knox flag if i odin the official stock firmware?
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I am not positive - but I think if you flash anything - it will trip it - if you odin back to stock - it would include a new kernel and that would tirp the flag - I may be wrong - but I believe I read this the other day.
WHy would you want to return to stock? To return the phone or something if something went wrong? Maybe there is another way to remove root.?

I dont think you even have to remove root. There will be now ay to tell if you are rooted using that method. Unless you use app that ask you SU permission. So before return just do Factory Reset. That i think should take care of things. IMHO.

lm that guy said:
Oh no I haven't tripped my Knox flag yet I was asking if I use this method to root and I wanted to go back to stock later down the road, Will I trip the Knox flag if i odin the official stock firmware?
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No, if you ODIN back to full stock or do a factory reset/wipe the Knox flag will NOT be triggered. That flag only triggers if you install a CUSTOM recovery or kernel (custom rom).

For the Galaxy S3, there's also a "no trip root" thread where you simply flash a root-injected TouchWhiz, which I used, and as long as you never flash anything non-Samsung in ODIN, you'll never trip the flash counter flag (which can be reset with TriangleAway anyway, unlike the KNOX flag afaik). But, once rooted, you don't need ODIN, and flashing TWRP recovery via the GooManager app (or dd'ing the img over the recovery partition) doesn't trip the flag, nor does subsequent ROM flashes from recovery over the system partition.
Is it the same situation here, or is the KNOX flag different, in that it will always get tripped as soon as it sees an unsigned partition on bootup?

Darn.. Wish I came upon this like 2 days after I had my TMO note 3. Ive already tripped my Knox. Oh well.

Has anybody tested this method. Does it work
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DriftorX said:
Darn.. Wish I came upon this like 2 days after I had my TMO note 3. Ive already tripped my Knox. Oh well.
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The one thing that will eventually have me tripping my Knox flag is if a nice custom kernel comes along. But until then, a simple way to root without tripping the flag will hold me over :fingers-crossed:. Also I'm returning my phone in a week so it's important I don't trip it right now. I want to root and play around with my phone until then.
bbh4r4l said:
Has anybody tested this method. Does it work
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I will test in about 10 minutes when my phone gets finished charging to 100% and will report back. :laugh:
Edit: everything works Thanks OP for posting this!!

Just rooted via this method. It worked fine and knox is stil 0x0. It also didn't factory reset my phone like I thought it would, I'm going to do it anyway, but I wasn't getting any FCs or anything either. Thank you for getting this out to us TMO users!

I don't get it. Rooting doesn't trip knox regardless. But flashing a custom kernel or rom does. So what is the point of this method if it will trip knox as soon as you flash a kernel or rom anyway.

HughesNet said:
I don't get it. Rooting doesn't trip knox regardless. But flashing a custom kernel or rom does. So what is the point of this method if it will trip knox as soon as you flash a kernel or rom anyway.
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For one you can use apps that require root. Also, you can uninstall bloatware and push apks to your phone using adb etc. A little more work than flashing a prebuilt custom rom, but you can get many of the same results.
*You also said rooting doesn't trip knox regardless, but it actually does unless you do it via this method.

Just did this. Easy as cake. Now I just need to sim unlock my note to use my ATT sim and I will be good to go!!

effortless said:
For one you can use apps that require root. Also, you can uninstall bloatware and push apks to your phone using adb etc. A little more work than flashing a prebuilt custom rom, but you can get many of the same results.
*You also said rooting doesn't trip knox regardless, but it actually does unless you do it via this method.
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I know you don't need a custom rom for some things. I run stock deodex myself. I flashed custom recovery immediately after root. I guess I thought that is what triggered knox. Either way matters little to me though. I know tmobile won't check knox counter if I use jump and even if they did I could sell on ebay and come out ahead. So I don't really understand why people worry about it. Insurance covers it if you damage it or need warranty service.

HughesNet said:
I know you don't need a custom rom for some things. I run stock deodex myself. I flashed custom recovery immediately after root. I guess I thought that is what triggered knox. Either way matters little to me though. I know tmobile won't check knox counter if I use jump and even if they did I could sell on ebay and come out ahead. So I don't really understand why people worry about it. Insurance covers it if you damage it or need warranty service.
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Yeah... Seems to me like a kinda-sorta placebo effect or simply one of those things that people can use who *must* have everything completely untraceable to the "T." Like you said, there's virtually no "real" reason this is very necessary, far's I can tell... But, regardless, good work on this - without a doubt - and definitely always a big "plus" to have multiple working methods! :good:

HughesNet said:
I don't get it. Rooting doesn't trip knox regardless. But flashing a custom kernel or rom does. So what is the point of this method if it will trip knox as soon as you flash a kernel or rom anyway.
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exactly. I think op might not know everything like he is implying. he just wants some attention
*****es be be like "nice phone"

mocsab said:
I am not positive - but I think if you flash anything - it will trip it - if you odin back to stock - it would include a new kernel and that would tirp the flag - I may be wrong - but I believe I read this the other day.
WHy would you want to return to stock? To return the phone or something if something went wrong? Maybe there is another way to remove root.?
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If people read up on how KNOX actually works, there wouldn't be so much confusion.
The KNOX WARRANTY VOID flag is set to 0x1 when the bootloader detects (via Qualcomm SecureBoot) that you are booting either a kernel or a recovery that isn't SELinux enforcing (it displays a message such as RECOVERY IS NOT SEANDROID ENFORCING - Set Warranty Bit: recovery). It remembers that the partition you booted was insecure and flags it in its own little memory area. It sets individual warranty bits for each partition - boot (kernel), recovery, cache (if you happen to put something there that it doesn't approve of), system. If ANY of those partition warranty bits are set, the KNOX WARRANTY VOID flag is set to 0x1.
This is all explained in the KNOX white paper available on the Samsung web site.
Now, if someone figures out how to write-enable the protected flash area so the flag can be reset AND disable Qualcomm SecureBoot so that it doesn't set the flag over and over again, we'll be in business. For now, only Samsung knows how to do it.

Note 2, 4.3 boot loader

I have been running stock 4.3 stock with devil kernel but I have been experience problems with charging my battery and some system hangings, had it plugged in for 9 hours and only got to 75 %, went over to CyanogenMod 4.4 nightly and had no problem charging the phone.
My question is, is there a to upgrade to 4.3 official with out having to deal with flashing 4.3 boot loader and have working Wi-Fi? And use stock kernel.
I have been really hesitant to flash stock boot loader and having to deal with tripping knox counter, any help would be great, thanks
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We have an official .zip...including flashable mk6 modem and recovery...
Search for the thread in the dev section...
Zen arcade is the OP...
Don't take an official OTA....g
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Your original Knox free bootloader will not be touched ...g
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ckavvouras said:
I have been running stock 4.3 stock with devil kernel but I have been experience problems with charging my battery and some system hangings, had it plugged in for 9 hours and only got to 75 %, went over to CyanogenMod 4.4 nightly and had no problem charging the phone.
My question is, is there a to upgrade to 4.3 official with out having to deal with flashing 4.3 boot loader and have working Wi-Fi? And use stock kernel.
I have been really hesitant to flash stock boot loader and having to deal with tripping knox counter, any help would be great, thanks
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Don't worry about Knox. The 4.3 bootloader is way better for your phone. If it is taking that long to charge you are probably damaging your battery with the devil kernel.
Are you planning on needing a warranty repair on your phone. I know mine is already out of warranty. Also there is no official word from Samsung that phones with a tripped Knox will not be covered.
The reason Knox trips is for corporate IT security. It's to protect the phone from having an employee root the device.
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I don't need the warranty but if I do one day decide to sell the phone I don't want to pawn it off on some person that might need Knox or prefer a device that is clean
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ckavvouras said:
I don't need the warranty but if I do one day decide to sell the phone I don't want to pawn it off on some person that might need Knox or prefer a device that is clean
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I understand what your saying....
But if I'm not mistaken there's a Rom, on the dev section. Based off of Rogers 4.3 stock firmware.
Skynote 10 and I'm quite sure Knox is gone, and you might be able to downgrade your Rom after using that.
That way ya wanna sell it. You can roll it back to 4.1.2 let it take the update. Then it's FULL of (____) all the security it wants...
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Does anyone know if updating the BootLoader to the newest one would possibly help with Camera issues present in AOSP/CM11 ROM's?
Would there be any dis/advantages to it??

Bootloader won't help camera ...
And if you take the official update...your BL will be semi-locked...g
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gregsarg said:
Bootloader won't help camera ...
And if you take the official update...your BL will be semi-locked...g
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:crying:

Can't get into any Recovery Mode
I had done OTA ATT update to 4.3. CF-Auto-root phone. installed TWRP and stuck on Galaxy Note II screen. I can access download mode. But I can't access Recovery Mode. Flashed the ODEX rooted version of MK6 posted on one of the thread in android development link...still stuck. Flashed Philz CWM Recovery from that same thread, still stuck with no access to recovery. HELP!!! :crying:

Are you "Sure" about no recovery being present ??
3 button combo to boot recovery does what ??
Causes Reboot of the device ??
If Odin registers a "pass" after writing to the recovery partition...they try any application that will boot into recovery for you...
The button combo is clearly failing...g
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Try this method. Once you run cf auto root you most likely need to update supersu to get root access.
One click Odin AT&T 4.3 update Note2 -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496292
Direct download link from above --> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2496292&page=23
Youtube video with instructions -->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwUdd_SkzSQ
CF Auto Root -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980644
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ShrekOpher said:
Don't worry about Knox. The 4.3 bootloader is way better for your phone. If it is taking that long to charge you are probably damaging your battery with the devil kernel.
Are you planning on needing a warranty repair on your phone. I know mine is already out of warranty. Also there is no official word from Samsung that phones with a tripped Knox will not be covered.
The reason Knox trips is for corporate IT security. It's to protect the phone from having an employee root the device.
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Not sure how the 4.3 bootloader is way better for your phone. . Can you explain?
Personally I'm running the 4.1.2 bootloader with a patched param.
But if someone wants the 4.3 bootloader I would recommend using the leaked one since it can be downgraded.
As far as any of us know Knox doesn't seem to matter. But there is always the unknown isn't there... All I know is that it's forever and totally unnecessary. Unless you can explain how it's "better for your phone".
Everything you need is in this link. Both the 4.3 leaked bootloader which will work and can be downgraded and the 4.1.2 patch (which will also work). WARNING-DON'T USE THIS IF YOU ARE ON THE 4.3 OFFICIAL BOOTLOADER.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502464
It bothers me to see so many folks make light of Knox without knowing the consequences. I sure don't know FOR CERTAIN but I DO KNOW it's permanent for now at least.
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New bootloader comes with improved modem that only works on the new bootloader.
Knox doesn't matter because Samsung only has a one year warranty on the phone if you pay for the extra one from the carrier it is still replaceable even with knox tripped.
Only reason you need to worry about Knox is if you phone is a company phone and their system requires you to have knox. Otherwise there is no downside to tripping it.
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ShrekOpher said:
New bootloader comes with improved modem that only works on the new bootloader.
Knox doesn't matter because Samsung only has a one year warranty on the phone if you pay for the extra one from the carrier it is still replaceable even with knox tripped.
Only reason you need to worry about Knox is if you phone is a company phone and their system requires you to have knox. Otherwise there is no downside to tripping it.
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You don't know what you're saying.
The modem and the bootloader are two different things. Also- the modem works FINE with other bootloaders. I know this for CERTAIN since I'm on a different bootloader AND the 4.3 released modem. (I've also run 4.1.2 based roms with this modem). Where did you get this?
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So what are the chances you MIGHT be wrong about Knox as well? How about resale value? Many people value a phone with an unlocked bootloader. Do you PERSONALLY know someone who has returned this phone with a tripped counter? How about future updates? Will you be able to take a future update with a tripped counter? Personally- I DON'T KNOW the answers and won't presume to know. I think you've been spending too much time in the jedi thread where people keep repeating this stuff.
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mindmajick said:
You don't know what you're saying.
The modem and the bootloader are two different things. Also- the modem works FINE with other bootloaders. I know this for CERTAIN since I'm on a different bootloader AND the 4.3 released modem. (I've also run 4.1.2 based roms with this modem). Where did you get this?
So what are the chances you MIGHT be wrong about Knox as well? How about resale value? Many people value a phone with an unlocked bootloader. Do you PERSONALLY know someone who has returned this phone with a tripped counter? How about future updates? Will you be able to take a future update with a tripped counter? Personally- I DON'T KNOW the answers and won't presume to know. I think you've been spending too much time in the jedi thread where people keep repeating this stuff.
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I am sure KNOX is built for corporate security. The reason KNOX even offers this feature is so that a corporate IT department can tell if an employee has been trying to modify a company owned/used device, If the KNOX is tripped it will block the device from connected to compnay servers and internet. This has been confirmed to me by Samsung in a corporate setting as I work as an IT buyer for one of the largest privately own companies in the world. We specifically asked that if an employee tries to modify a device and trips the KNOX can we still return the device to samsung to have KNOX reset so the device and be reissued to a new employee and were told that we could.
Now this was all for corporate use and not for personal use, but this tells me that it is not an issue to trip KNOX, and that Samsung has a way to reset it.
However all of that is besides the point, because the warranty on the device provided by Samsung is only for 1 year. They do not offer a longer one, which means most device are out of warranty already or will be in the next 4-6 months. You could buy a replacement plan from your carrier, but that is a replacement plan not a true warranty. A replacement plan is different from a warranty. Most likely with a replacement plan you would have to pay a deposit and they would give you a refurbished device not your original one back. Also with the extra warranties the device is covered even if it is smashed to pieces, so you don't have to worry about the knox being tripped.
As for OTA updates. It has not been confirmed it it will affect them or not, but it also has not been confirmed we will even get another update. Right now the note2 is not on the list for 4.4.2. Also if you root your phone, which is the only way the KNOX would be tripped, you most likely wouldn't do the OTS update anyway you would probably just flash a new TW based 4.4 ROM or a stock rooted version of the TW 4.4 when it comes out.
the only real reason to worry about the KNOX being tripped is if you are planning on selling your phone in the next 6 months to someone who is planning on using it for their corporate phone. And as someone who works in IT purchasing, their is no way I would let some have a BYOD connect to any of my servers that they bought used.
So all in all its just a lot of people being afraid and going through really complicated processes for no reason. I mean did you freak out when you rooted your phone the first time. That technically voided the warranty right there, tripping KNOX is no different it is just another notification so that you can't connect to a KNOX secured corporate structure.

ShrekOpher said:
Newest baseband is not mk6, its MJ4, on a i317. and that is a combination of the modem and the bootloader. If you try to flash mj4 on the 4.1.2 bootloader you will lose your IMIE and your baseband. Just an FYI.
Also I am sure KNOX is built for corporate security. The reason KNOX even offers this feature is so that a corporate IT department can tell if an employee has been trying to modify a company owned/used device, If the KNOX is tripped it will block the device from connected to compnay servers and internet. This has been confirmed to me by Samsung in a corporate setting as I work as an IT buyer for one of the largest privately own companies in the world. We specifically asked that if an employee tries to modify a device and trips the KNOX can we still return the device to samsung to have KNOX reset so the device and be reissued to a new employee and were told that we could.
Now this was all for corporate use and not for personal use, but this tells me that it is not an issue to trip KNOX, and that Samsung has a way to reset it.
However all of that is besides the point, because the warranty on the device provided by Samsung is only for 1 year. They do not offer a longer one, which means most device are out of warranty already or will be in the next 4-6 months. You could buy a replacement plan from your carrier, but that is a replacement plan not a true warranty. A replacement plan is different from a warranty. Most likely with a replacement plan you would have to pay a deposit and they would give you a refurbished device not your original one back. Also with the extra warranties the device is covered even if it is smashed to pieces, so you don't have to worry about the knox being tripped.
As for OTA updates. It has not been confirmed it it will affect them or not, but it also has not been confirmed we will even get another update. Right now the note2 is not on the list for 4.4.2. Also if you root your phone, which is the only way the KNOX would be tripped, you most likely wouldn't do the OTS update anyway you would probably just flash a new TW based 4.4 ROM or a stock rooted version of the TW 4.4 when it comes out.
the only real reason to worry about the KNOX being tripped is if you are planning on selling your phone in the next 6 months to someone who is planning on using it for their corporate phone. And as someone who works in IT purchasing, their is no way I would let some have a BYOD connect to any of my servers that they bought used.
So all in all its just a lot of people being afraid and going through really complicated processes for no reason. I mean did you freak out when you rooted your phone the first time. That technically voided the warranty right there, tripping KNOX is no different it is just another notification so that you can't connect to a KNOX secured corporate structure.
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Mj4 is the leak. Mk6 is latest and greatest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46756673
Releases are USUALLY alphabetical.
I used to run the mj4 with no issues also. The patch was originally created for that rom in mind.
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mindmajick said:
Mj4 is the leak. Mk6 is latest and greatest.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46756673
Releases are USUALLY alphabetical.
I used to run the mj4 with no issues also. The patch was originally created for that rom in mind.
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Also I do have another meeting with our Samsung Rep in a week from Monday if there are any specific concerns I could try to address them then. They have been open about KNOX with us.

OK so one more question. If I update to 4.3 TW ROM (Skynote or JediMaster X2) with the updated Boot loader stripped from KNOX can I update to a AOSP 4.4 ROM without any issues. I just want to taste what a truly stable 4.3 TW ROM would be without the fear of not being able to come back to AOSP.
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slicingtaco said:
OK so one more question. If I update to 4.3 TW ROM (Skynote or JediMaster X2) with the updated Boot loader stripped from KNOX can I update to a AOSP 4.4 ROM without any issues. I just want to taste what a truly stable 4.3 TW ROM would be without the fear of not being able to come back to AOSP.
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Yes.
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ckavvouras said:
I have been running stock 4.3 stock with devil kernel but I have been experience problems with charging my battery and some system hangings, had it plugged in for 9 hours and only got to 75 %, went over to CyanogenMod 4.4 nightly and had no problem charging the phone.
My question is, is there a to upgrade to 4.3 official with out having to deal with flashing 4.3 boot loader and have working Wi-Fi? And use stock kernel.
I have been really hesitant to flash stock boot loader and having to deal with tripping knox counter, any help would be great, thanks
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The same here, does any one know that ?

Quick question about transferring all my stuff over to new Galaxy s4.

I've got a new s4 coming from my insurance plan Cuz I broke my screen.
Is there anyway I can get twrp installed without having to sit down at a computer? So I can restore my backup and have it root itself? Help much appreciated.

Search for Towelroot. I believe it will root the Tmo S4 without tripping the Knox flag. I don't think it requires a computer.
And, then once rooted you can install TWRP Manager from the Play Store.

TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox.
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What do you mean it'll trip knox? Ive never had any issues with anything called knox when I rooted and flashed on my original S4 a couple years ago when I first got it.
@The Sickness , are you saying that I WILL run into knox issues if I use this towelroot?
How do I avoid any knox issues? I don't really have access to a computer so all I'm really trying to do is get it rooted with twrp installed, without using a computer if possible. But if I have to use a computer to avoid knox issues, then let me know.
Thanks

Your new phone will come with 4.3 or 4.4.2. Both have Knox Bootloader.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox. The only way to avoid Knox is to keep the stock recovery. And it will not allow you to flash custom roms.
TowelRoot root is a apk. You just run it and your done.
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The Sickness said:
Your new phone will come with 4.3 or 4.4.2. Both have Knox Bootloader.
TowelRoot will give you root. When you flash a custom recovery it will trip Knox. The only way to avoid Knox is to keep the stock recovery. And it will not allow you to flash custom roms.
TowelRoot root is a apk. You just run it and your done.
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So your telling me there is no way to flash custom roms on my new s4?
That seems unlikely. How is everybody else flashing custom roms on newer S4s?
I'm seeing things on Google that suggest I can just uninstall knox. If I uninstall it first, then root, will I be ok? Or if I disable it while rooting?

SaintCity86 said:
What do you mean it'll trip knox? Ive never had any issues with anything called knox when I rooted and flashed on my original S4 a couple years ago when I first got it.
@The Sickness , are you saying that I WILL run into knox issues if I use this towelroot?
How do I avoid any knox issues? I don't really have access to a computer so all I'm really trying to do is get it rooted with twrp installed, without using a computer if possible. But if I have to use a computer to avoid knox issues, then let me know.
Thanks
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The Knox flag is a indicator to Samsung that you've installed a Custom Recovery. They instituted the check and the flag in the boot loader for 4.3. All the new phones come with this and there is no way to downgrade to a bootloader that doesn't have the check. Unless you are using the phone on a secure company network that requires it, Knox doesn't affect you in any way. Some people have claimed that it MAY cause you problem returning your phone for warranty, but at this point NO ONE has shown that they have had any issues returning their phone with the Knox flag tripped.
You can verify your bootloader, and view the flag's status once you get the phone by going into download mode - power off the phone. Then, hold the Vol Down button while powering on the phone. Hold the Vol Down until you get to a screen that has a Warning about Custom OS. Press the Vol Up button, and you will see a screen with a very small font and the first line will say "ODIN MODE" If your bootloader has the Knox check and flag, you will see line that says: KNOX WARRANTY VOID:. Next to that line with be either 0x0 or 0x1. If the flag is tripped, it will say 0x1.
If you don't have that line in your bootloader, then you don't have Knox, and you should be able to do what you want. However, if you want to keep your phone Knox free, you won't be able to do Over The Air (OTA) updates. You'll have to manually install ROMS, and never flash an updated bootloader.
I've tripped my Knox flag by flashing TWRP to my phone and have never worried about it.
Rob

Ok tripping it just means it's telling Samsung im messing with it?
It's not actually preventing me from installing custom recoveries or roms?
I thought he was saying I wouldn't be able to do it Cuz of knox.
I don't care about tripping any flags, I've got the premium insurance plan. That's actually how I just got the new s4, by filing a claim.
That's the nice thing about insurance on these devices, messing with the bootloader and installing roms Falls under accidental damage, which is covered.
Sure the deductible is 175 dollars.... But just to replace the glass on one of these can cost upwards of 300 dollars. Worth the 11 dollars a month n deductible. I will be canceling it now though. If this one breaks, I'll just upgrade.
Thanks for the help guys.

I said if you keep STOCK RECOVERY you can't flash roms
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The Sickness said:
I said if you keep STOCK RECOVERY you can't flash roms
Haters Made Me Famous
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I can read what u wrote. I thought when you guys said the knox flag would trip, that it meant I wouldn't be allowed to install custom roms.
I don't care about any flags, just so long as I'll be able to flash stuff like normal.

The SIMPLEST SAFEST and EASIEST would be to just install My Backup Pro.
it has a "Migrate" mode which allows you to send all that you wish to transfer to the new device and on that new device all you need to do is add the app and instead of "Sending" the data, just select "Receive". (takes only seconds) That way you won't muck up your warranty on the new device till you're SURE there is nothing wrong with it... (just coz it was "refurbished" does not mean it works flawlessly! :>)
Aloha and Good Luck!

Thanks for the info. But I disagree. It seems I just root with this towelroot' install twrp' and restore.
However, I'll be installing a clean rom, insane v9, and reinstalling ask my apps from scratch. Just start brand new.
This brand new S4 will last me till the "sapphire glass" S6 is released, for sure.

[Q] SM-N900T Runing 4.4.2 Kit Kat. Can I root without trpping Knox flag?

Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.

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Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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If your baseband is NB4 or NE6 you can use "Towelroot" for rooting
otherwise if your baseband is NF1 or NF4 Towelroot will not work.
Towelroot will not trip knox.
If you flash any custom recovery knox will get triggered
but so far no one lost their warranty due to triggering knox.
Without custom recovery you will not be able to flash any
custom roms.
Good luck!

Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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You can use your insurance even with knox tripping. It only voids your samsung warranty, not your insurance. Just an fyi.
Sent from my leanKernel 3.4 powered stock 4.4.2 (NF4) SM-N900T

my friend tmobile insurance doesnt care if you have knox trip off
either way you pay one 175 for a new note or screen fix we so i dont matter if you damage the phone or the system

Thanks towelroot worked great with my NB4 baseband..and my needed app works great as well.

Rich3077 said:
Just picked up a new Note 3 and root is required to run an app that is critical to me.
I was just about to root and then call and cancel my insurance.. then I started noticing threads where people have claimed root on 4.4.2 without tripping the Knox flag.
This is a new phone, never before rooted. I do own Mobile Oden Pro and Triangle away and am willing to purchase other apps if needed.
Either way this phone will be rooted but I would like to keep my insurance warranty if possible.
Thanks
Edit.. custom recovery would be an added bonus not is not needed.
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Just use The EffortLess Way to root NF4 without tripping KNOX!

What IS a Knox Counter

Sorry for the noobish question, but I keep hearing about this Knox counter thing on the Root Bounty threads, that people will pay extra if it doesn't trip Knox.
Can someone tell me WHAT Knox is, what it's significance is to the phone and to rooting/flashing?

JOSHSKORN said:
Sorry for the noobish question, but I keep hearing about this Knox counter thing on the Root Bounty threads, that people will pay extra if it doesn't trip Knox.
Can someone tell me WHAT Knox is, what it's significance is to the phone and to rooting/flashing?
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I'm not sure... all I know is I learned to fear anything Knox
Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk

Knox is built in security that samsung has created. problem is that when you root, it trips a knox counter so samsung or verizon can simply power the phone into the bootloader and see knox is tripped, and right away know the device is rooted, which voids any warranties.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 using Tapatalk.

jayochs said:
Knox is built in security that samsung has created. problem is that when you root, it trips a knox counter so samsung or verizon can simply power the phone into the bootloader and see knox is tripped, and right away know the device is rooted, which voids any warranties.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Note 4 using Tapatalk.
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Can Knox be removed somehow? Have other phones with Knox been successfully rooted without tripping it?

JOSHSKORN said:
Can Knox be removed somehow? Have other phones with Knox been successfully rooted without tripping it?
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No, knox can not be removed. It also can NOT be reset. Yes, phones have been rooted without tripping knox. I had my Verizon Note 3 rooted and knox was not tripped.
Basically, here's how I explained it to a friend. Think of knox, as a saftey line keeping you from opening your car's hood. Your warranty is fine as long as you don't mess with the engine. You decide to cut that line, and pop the hood. That's tripping knox. If you tried to modify the engine and ended up blowing it up, yeah, you ****ed up! However, if didn't touch the engine, and then later had your car's horn stop working, it doesn't matter. Because you popped the hood, your engine car's warranty is GONE!