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Best Stock Lollipop ROM

So my Dad decided he doesn't like his G3 - I know, he's crazy. So we have decided to swap phones. I had a Nexus 5 which I loved. I'm looking to get the G3 as close to stock lollipop as I possibly can as my Fun Prevention Officer (wife) has the Gold G3 and I'm less than impressed with the standard ROM.
I've had a look through the threads here searching about for a stock ROM and it seems there are plenty available but I wanted to get some opinions on what you guys think is the most stable.
I'm well up on ADB, rooting etc so I don't need help with the method, just your opinions on the 'best' , most stable closest to stock Lollipop ROM.
Cheers dudes and dudesses.

finalbillybong said:
So my Dad decided he doesn't like his G3 - I know, he's crazy. So we have decided to swap phones. I had a Nexus 5 which I loved. I'm looking to get the G3 as close to stock lollipop as I possibly can as my Fun Prevention Officer (wife) has the Gold G3 and I'm less than impressed with the standard ROM.
I've had a look through the threads here searching about for a stock ROM and it seems there are plenty available but I wanted to get some opinions on what you guys think is the most stable.
I'm well up on ADB, rooting etc so I don't need help with the method, just your opinions on the 'best' , most stable closest to stock Lollipop ROM.
Cheers dudes and dudesses.
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Hello, I'm new on the formus but I have tried several stock rom versions for my variant (D855). I think that Cloudy G 2.1 is one of the best lollipop stock rom version you can try. It is updated to the latest (20F) version, it's debloated and bumped and it is pretty stable (the only bug I know is the bluetooth issues present in all stock versions):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development/rom-cloudyg3-1-0-t2917467
Finally keep in mind that we have a Official CM 12 build in the Android Original development section that works flawless in case you like (much more like AOSP).

straim said:
Hello, I'm new on the formus but I have tried several stock rom versions for my variant (D855). I think that Cloudy G 2.1 is one of the best lollipop stock rom version you can try. It is updated to the latest (20F) version, it's debloated and bumped and it is pretty stable (the only bug I know is the bluetooth issues present in all stock versions):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development/rom-cloudyg3-1-0-t2917467
Finally keep in mind that we have a Official CM 12 build in the Android Original development section that works flawless in case you like (much more like AOSP).
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Thanks straim. I'm looking for something closer to the Nexus 5 really. I saw the Official CM12 had been released but wasn't sure on the stability being a nightly.

finalbillybong said:
Thanks straim. I'm looking for something closer to the Nexus 5 really. I saw the Official CM12 had been released but wasn't sure on the stability being a nightly.
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If you want stock close to LG: Cloudy: stable
If you want stock close to "naked" android: CM12: I would not use it as a daily driver yet, but i'll sure do in a more stable state.

Thanks raptor. I guess stability would come above stock Android in my priorities list. I'll give Cloudy a whirl...

finalbillybong said:
Thanks raptor. I guess stability would come above stock Android in my priorities list. I'll give Cloudy a whirl...
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That's for sure, CM is fantastic but they need a bit of time to make it good. Cloudy is a good transition phase. Guess LG's rom is pretty good.
There are other Roms in the dev section, but I haven't really looked at them.

raptor2003 said:
That's for sure, CM is fantastic but they need a bit of time to make it good. Cloudy is a good transition phase. Guess LG's rom is pretty good.
There are other Roms in the dev section, but I haven't really looked at them.
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Yeah I had a glance through them.
Cloudy it is then. At least until CM gets an M release out....
Thanks again all.

straim said:
the only bug I know is the bluetooth issues present in all stock versions.
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Can anyone tell me more about this? I have G Watch R. Is this going to cause me problems?

finalbillybong said:
Can anyone tell me more about this? I have G Watch R. Is this going to cause me problems?
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The bug causes audio glitches and sometimes is necessary to unlink an link the device to avoid issues like battery drain. You can seek something like "Bluetooth|car audio issues" in general or q&a forums for more information.
Ps: I use cm 12 as daily driver.

What about for me that I use wireless headphones, will that affect me?
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I recommend you stick with stock roms (Cloudy or ChupaChups), as the AOSP roms like CyanogenMod have dreadful camera software and quality. It's like you're back from LG G3 to a Nexus 4 camera, it's s**t! Sound volumes are also lower on AOSP, has something to do with drivers i think... But for the rest, cyanogenmod is stable, quick, light on the battery, and real pleasing to the eyes as it's one of the best looking roms on the market with themes support and all... But if you want to make the best out of your G3, use Cloudy G3 2.1. It's as fast and light on resources as cyanogenmod 12, as good looking if you flash the Lollipop theme (link on the first page of Cloudy thread), but you get to keep the amazing camera quality and sound volumes of the stock rom. After 2 months of flashing and testing roms on my G3, i can say, Cloudy has the winner here, hands down!

cornel.atomei said:
I recommend you stick with stock roms (Cloudy or ChupaChups), as the AOSP roms like CyanogenMod have dreadful camera software and quality. It's like you're back from LG G3 to a Nexus 4 camera, it's s**t! Sound volumes are also lower on AOSP, has something to do with drivers i think... But for the rest, cyanogenmod is stable, quick, light on the battery, and real pleasing to the eyes as it's one of the best looking roms on the market with themes support and all... But if you want to make the best out of your G3, use Cloudy G3 2.1. It's as fast and light on resources as cyanogenmod 12, as good looking if you flash the Lollipop theme (link on the first page of Cloudy thread), but you get to keep the amazing camera quality and sound volumes of the stock rom. After 2 months of flashing and testing roms on my G3, i can say, Cloudy has the winner here, hands down!
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Thanks! What does ChupaChups have that cloudy doesn't?
Sent from my G3

So what's the latest on Cyanogenmod? Is it stable yet? I used it for a while a few months ago but would have random locks and have to do a battery pull.
I have Cloudy 2.2 at the moment but honestly, I'm not a fan. I really want CM12 but only if it's stable.
What's the verdict?

can't go past full stock ( regular updates with http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g3/development/stock-t2961073 ), and G3 TweaksBox. works like a charm even though TweaksBox and the Xposed framework are both in alpha

Does someone compare the last versions of Cloudy and Chupa Chups ?

[Q] lollipop 5.0.2 on Nexus 7 (2013) WiFi

Hello everyone
I own a nexus 7 2013 (WiFi) that is currently running cyanogen mod 11. I would like to try the lollipop's official release, but before doing it I have two questions:
1) does it run smoothly? (If the answer is "no" you can ignore the other question)
2) what is the best way to backup the applications? I don't want to lose my progress in asphalt and all the other applications.
Thank you

Hi, for backup i'm sure Titanium Backup is the best. And i'm asking question 1 too. Lollipop 5.0 was very laggy and unstable. Is 5.0.2 better?

I'm not a fan of Lollipop but it runs very consistently on the Nexus 7. Its not the fastest in the world but doesn't feel that slow either.
Whilst I'd advise anyone to give Lollipop a go on there tablet, I wouldn't say the same for the phone. For me, Google have made too many bad decisions in Lollipop......Lock screen, volumes, keyboard functionality, etc. I'll be sticking with the, "XP," OS for my phone which is KK. :angel:

Masteryates said:
I'm not a fan of Lollipop but it runs very consistently on the Nexus 7. Its not the fastest in the world but doesn't feel that slow either:
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Is it slower or faster than KK?

Giugo said:
Is it slower or faster than KK?
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It's slower on my Nexus 7. Kit kat is certainly the benchmark.

I think I will stay with cyanogen mod 11 , then. Thank you for sharing your experience

You should try it yourself. Do a clean install. Lollipop is WAY better than kk. Faster, smoother, better battery.
Why the hell would anyone stay on kk.

Kk - ll
1 - 1
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yosmokinman said:
You should try it yourself. Do a clean install. Lollipop is WAY better than kk. Faster, smoother, better battery.
Why the hell would anyone stay on kk.
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Wow, I also did a clean install and it was not my experience. Maybe I am unlucky
Its funny that I found the developer preview of L to be better in some ways than the finished article. Battery was amazing and the keyboard worked as good as KK but looked like L. Performance was very inconsistent though.
Does anyone know if the memory leak bug has been addressed in 5.0.2

yosmokinman said:
You should try it yourself. Do a clean install. Lollipop is WAY better than kk. Faster, smoother, better battery.
Why the hell would anyone stay on kk.
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Uh, because some people don't like bugs? And others don't like the look of it. I belong in both camps. Plus, I need to have my Xposed. KK is still the best version of Android, no question.

[Q] M9 GPE/Stock Lollipop/No Sense

Dear all,
I have recently bought my wife a m9 international version, I myself have a m8 running latest GPE ROM and I am extremely happy with it. I have switched from stock HTC Sense ROM quite awhile ago and when I saw it again on a new m9 I remembered why I switched. Although HTC Sense is miles ahead of any other manufacturer UIs in my opinion it still can not compete with stock android experience.
After some research I found out that there is no plan to launch GPE of M9 therefore no hope for a ROM made by google itself. Does anyone know if there is a chance of getting a stock android experience on M9, maybe a rom without heavy Sense usage.
At the moment I have installed LeeDroid ROM without too many of HTC bloatware and google now launcher, but the ecstatically it is still very weird to see all the breaking points between launcher and Sense UI.
Any ideas, rumours, plans to develop stock Lollipop for M9?

There's a thread here in General or over in Q&A discussing current efforts to build CyanogenMod 12 for the HTC M9. It's not stable, but work is proceeding.
We've got a pretty new device, so AOSP ROMs will be a little bit. But HTC's positive stance towards developers (providing boot loader access) and the excellent hardware should give rise to more options in time.

nnaryshkin said:
Dear all,
I have recently bought my wife a m9 international version, I myself have a m8 running latest GPE ROM and I am extremely happy with it. I have switched from stock HTC Sense ROM quite awhile ago and when I saw it again on a new m9 I remembered why I switched. Although HTC Sense is miles ahead of any other manufacturer UIs in my opinion it still can not compete with stock android experience.
After some research I found out that there is no plan to launch GPE of M9 therefore no hope for a ROM made by google itself. Does anyone know if there is a chance of getting a stock android experience on M9, maybe a rom without heavy Sense usage.
At the moment I have installed LeeDroid ROM without too many of HTC bloatware and google now launcher, but the ecstatically it is still very weird to see all the breaking points between launcher and Sense UI.
Any ideas, rumours, plans to develop stock Lollipop for M9?
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Right now your best bet is Eragon. It's a fantastic rom, with sense removed where possible. Pretty lightweight too, the rom zip itself is under 800mb.

[Q] who still uses KK on the tab??

just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...

Monster212 said:
just wondering if anyone still uses KK on the tab or have you moved up to LP 5.0 or 5.1 ...
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I don't own tab but personally I think lollipop is a failed OS. Too bad for battery life although overall performance is better.
Back to kitkat N9005 Tweaked3.95 + LK3.17

My T800 ran for 260 days on kitkat without needing to be rebooted or tuned off even once now that is stability and i used it every day, when i did turn it off it was just to recalibrate the battery.
Too many reported problems with lollipop from less battery life, to lines on the screen, touchscreen problem, flash led problems, too much white in the stock apps and setting menu, stupid on an oled display.
I rooted my T800 and fixed the microsd problem, added AC3 support to the stock video player so why do i need kitkat, not saying i will not upgrade in the future to android m.
John.

I'm in the process of downgrade right now!

Ye i just flashed lollipop rom yesterday and now im rolling back to kk, i dont know if samsung is just trolling or what. you get a tiny status bar & notif panel then a blown up recent app manager, wtf? Plus no official xposed, and everything is just white & sky blue :/

A lot of people on SamMobile are saying that lollipop is a wasted update as it offers nothing new, and introduces a load of problems, also they are not happy at the way Samsung releases the updates.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/06/16/samsungs-software-update-policy-is-seriously-messed-up/
John.

For now, I believe they'll keep releasing 5.0 for older devices, and 5.1 for new ones.
Older models will always be one step behind, it's called marketing and forcing "impatient customers" to upgrade their device.
Although I notice these T700 and T800 5.0 versions keep getting patched with new updates and more stability, I believe we'll only get 5.1 when Android M is released for newer devices.
Then after 1, 2, or 3 years from release date and depending on each device, they are forgotten by the manufacturer and software updates are stopped, hoping you'll buy again a newer model, regardless of your device purchase date and condition.
And this in a way, explains why the XDA community is strong.

I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.

Yeah, I choked on the lollipop, but i loved the chocolaty goodness of kitkat, stay on kitkat and don't be a sucker.
John.

hurdlejade said:
I finished downgrading. Tablet runs smoother, I can change many things in Xposed and generally, it just works.
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In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.

When you say performance are you talking about gaming? , if so a lot of people don't game or only use simple games that don't require a great deal of system performance.
I don't game, and i have not seen any laginess on kitkat, i had it running 260 days without any problems i did not reset or shut-down a single time.
John.
pacc said:
In my opinion, I'm on LP because I find it much smoother than KK.
The newer kernel and drivers on lollipop are the main reasons for better performance, which is easily seen in Antutu scores.
The only advantages I find in KK is that it's less buggy and ram leak is better.
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With LP you do need to reboot now and then due to ram leak problem.
Let's say LP is faster than KK at the beginning and after a few days it crawls due to ram leak, until you reboot and it's pristine again for the next days.

To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.

It`s great if you can tune lollipop the way you want, but most people cannot do this, and get stuck on a buggy stock rom until the next official update, which might never arrive, thank-you Samsung.
John.

Hookmt said:
To be honest, while my initial reactions to Lollipop on both my TAB S and my Nexus 5 was less than favorable, after finding the right alternate ROMs I am very happy. Great performance (I don't game), great battery life, theming that allows me to black out the white menus and I'm very happy on both my devices. Would I be happy on stock? I don't know, and I understand not everyone wants to flash alternate ROMs. What I do think is that Lollipop takes a while to settle in and make sure you don't have an app that is incompatible (Samsung messed with ART). If you dive into it for only a couple of days, and you are really used to KitKat, of course you will want to go back. After using Lollipop for a while now, I would never go back.
Just my opinion. Not trying to sell anything to folks who disagree.
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Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.

ashyx said:
Tend to agree. At first I wasn't keen on lollipop, but after using for a while and a little tweaking its running just fine. Dont know what this ram leak thing is all about as I've seen nothing of it. I would have thought, whatever that was, almost all manufacturers would have patched it by now including Samsung.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
John.
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I have lolipop on three devices Nexus 5&10 (5.1.1) and a Tab S 10.5 (5.0.2). Right from the beginning both tablets have been rock solid with a small but noticable bump in speed. On the other hand my Nexus 5 lost its rock solid kitkat stability and no matter what I do, short of re-flashing Kitkat, I cannot seem to fix it.
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Tinderbox (UK) said:
Did you do an reset before or after updating to lollipop, as you say you have had no problems.
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Assuming you are asking about my Tab S experience, I used the guide in this forum to root without tripping Knox. I had to downgrade to stock Kitkat then root then upgrade to stock Lollipop. As soon as you downgrade using Odin you must do a factory reset in stock recovery, so yes I reset and always after the firmware change. In fact I've done the whole process several times as I've tried theming and every time I changed framework-res.apk it borked the UI and I need to do the whole process again.
At this time I've sworn off changing framework-res.apk. It is not a total write off as Flashfire back ups recover everything like a nadroid backup. Its weakness is that if you cannot start the app you can not do a restore. All that due to not wanting to loose my warranty on a two month old device so cannot flash a custom recovery like TWRP.
I did successfully flash from Lollipop B0E2 to B0E3 (boot, recover, system images) using Flashfire. That upgrade did not require a factory reset. In fact my user data, apps, root (SuperSU) and settings remained intact. All I need to do was re-flash any SuperSU policies I had previously installed along with any apps I installed in /system such as Viper4Android.
Specifically the upgrade and resulting experience was almost identical to upgrading Lollipop on my Nexus devices (5.0 through to 5.1.1), which is very easy and never required a factory reset. Although I usually clear the cache/dalvik just to be safe.

Opinion regarding Skydragon GPE 5.1

I've been pretty disappointed since the Sense stock 5.0.2 update, especially regarding battery and some lag here and there. I also have a problem with the contacts (they don't appear when people call me except if the country prefix in memorized).
I am thinking about trying a custom rom and since seeing the stock android on my mom's Moto G and really like it so from my research it seems skydragon gpe 5.1 is the best one. Anyone that tried it can give me his opinion please?
Cheers

I have tried SkyDragon GPE and I must say it is the most stable and best performing one from all the ones I've tried (and I've tried a lot), so I'd advise you to give it a shot if you're willing to go the custom route. Keep in mind that unlocking your bootloader and such will void your warranty, just in case you're still under it.
Good luck, man, and even though it might not be very smart to do all of that if you're still inexperienced, one lives to learn and you'll not regret using custom ROMs. I've been using them since the One X days and have never looked back.

TarekElsakka said:
I have tried SkyDragon GPE and I must say it is the most stable and best performing one from all the ones I've tried (and I've tried a lot), so I'd advise you to give it a shot if you're willing to go the custom route. Keep in mind that unlocking your bootloader and such will void your warranty, just in case you're still under it.
Good luck, man, and even though it might not be very smart to do all of that if you're still inexperienced, one lives to learn and you'll not regret using custom ROMs. I've been using them since the One X days and have never looked back.
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Thanks a lot for your input. I am tech savvy so I believe I'll be ok
It's stable, that's great, but do we loose any features compared to Sense stock rom? Also, what's the main difference between skydragon gpe and Google stock gpe rom for the HTC One m8?
Cheers

Badelhas said:
Thanks a lot for your input. I am tech savvy so I believe I'll be ok
It's stable, that's great, but do we loose any features compared to Sense stock rom? Also, what's the main difference between skydragon gpe and Google stock gpe rom for the HTC One m8?
Cheers
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GPE and Sense are two completely different interfaces. For one thing, you won't have BlinkFeed anymore, which is perhaps the most obvious thing about using a Sense ROM. You will still, however, have the Motion Gestures, Dot View app, and a lot of the things that require HTC's framework. I believe the main difference is that SkyDragon GPE is tweaked for better performance and battery life, and is debloated from all the useless system apps and items that Google adds. You can read about the features of SkyDragon GPE and the changelogs in the dedicated thread, it'll give you a much better overview of what it is all about. I would recommend trying SkyDragon first, at least it will be easier than converting your device to GPE for a full, stock GPE experience.

I was using Sense ROMs for many months, and recently decided to try LolliGPE, specially because it allows me to use GPE features plus Sense camera and BlinkFeed. I'm using latest version and it's working flawlessly and yes, it looks beautiful! I know Skydragon GPE is good as well, but I prefer LolliGPE because it has more support in the last months.
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I was using Sense ROMs for many months, and recently decided to try LolliGPE, specially because it allows me to use GPE features plus Sense camera and BlinkFeed. I'm using latest version and it's working flawlessly and yes, it looks beautiful! I know Skydragon GPE is good as well, but I prefer LolliGPE because it has more support in the last months.
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Thank you both for the input. I think I will try lolligpe since I like sense camera. How is battery life with that rom?

I'd say battery life is subjective and dependant on your usage as well as overall conditions. Give it a shot for two or three days then judge the battery life for yourself. I believe that there was a way to install Sense camera on any GPE ROM in the Themes & Apps section of the forum but you'd have to search and find that out, just in case you're more inclined to try SkyDragon but still want the Sense camera.

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I'd say battery life is subjective and dependant on your usage as well as overall conditions. Give it a shot for two or three days then judge the battery life for yourself. I believe that there was a way to install Sense camera on any GPE ROM in the Themes & Apps section of the forum but you'd have to search and find that out, just in case you're more inclined to try SkyDragon but still want the Sense camera.
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I was inclined to skydragon gpe but the developer says he dosent have the device anymore so I expect development to decrease. I never heard of LOLLIGPE before but from the suggestion it seems to work pretty well, added that sense camera works and all. I recently received an email from HTC Support saying that they will launch an update on the end of November. I was expecting an update in August which could improve the problems I've been having but with htc with so many financial problems it doesn't seem likely. Therefore I am very eager to flash the gpe custom rom. If lolligpe is better than skydragon and everything works as it should, that's my best bet, I believe.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, then. I have not been following SkyDragon lately so I wouldn't know.
Good luck!

I just did some research in the main xda Lolligpe thread and there seems to be many users with bugs and stuff that dosent work properly. That's putting me off a bit...

In much less time than its taken for you to be posting and reading the responses, you could have just flashed the ROM, tried it out, and probably even made your judgement of it.
Just make a nandroid (TWRP backup) before you flash SD, and you can always just revert back to your current setup if you don't like the SD ROM.
And as mentioned, battery life and performance vary greatly from one user to another due to differences in how we use the device, among other variables. The only way to determine how a ROM will perform for you is to try it.

redpoint beat me to it. Stop reading about all the bugs and issues and try it yourself. You seem like you want to experience something different and you could actually develop a passion for doing that, so just go ahead and do it, there's nothing much to lose!

redpoint73 said:
In much less time than its taken for you to be posting and reading the responses, you could have just flashed the ROM, tried it out, and probably even made your judgement of it.
Just make a nandroid (TWRP backup) before you flash SD, and you can always just revert back to your current setup if you don't like the SD ROM.
And as mentioned, battery life and performance vary greatly from one user to another due to differences in how we use the device, among other variables. The only way to determine how a ROM will perform for you is to try it.
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TarekElsakka said:
redpoint beat me to it. Stop reading about all the bugs and issues and try it yourself. You seem like you want to experience something different and you could actually develop a passion for doing that, so just go ahead and do it, there's nothing much to lose!
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Will do, tonight's the night, thanks for the strength
Cheers

Badelhas said:
Thank you both for the input. I think I will try lolligpe since I like sense camera. How is battery life with that rom?
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Battery life is good with ElementalX kernel. Don't be afraid about possible bugs, some users have them but depends on many things such as device model or carrier. I'm using an AT&T phone and so far everything is working as it should without any noticeable bug.