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Google Android SDK- Android the New Os for Trinity?

Google Android SDK is out, when will we see the first Alpha for our trinity?
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I was looking at this lastnight, would be great to get it running on a trinity, but I'm betting it would be a b*tch to find the required drivers for a lot of the more advanced hardware (gps, 3g radio, etc...)
That said I think it still needs a bit of polish before it'll be truely ready, very pretty though.

would be prety cool and maby better faster and nicer than WM

it will be faster than WM

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how long will we wait?

it appears that in the video, they explain that 3G+, wifi, GPS etc... a lot of technologies would be supported, and, as all of you knows, it is open source, so drivers won't be long to be released.
i also browsed the http://code.google.com/android and looked after the members of what they named "The Alliance", it appears that HTC is one of them, so it will be good for us =)
let's have news later of this really good looking project !!!

Older stuff
It looks like a good project. But what would be nice is a OS that can be installed on older PDAs (With or without phone). Some of the older units which have larger screens and good cpu just languish in the closet because the OS is outdated and the manufacturer would rather sell new than support older units. I've invested money into a solid unit that now just sits, and moved everything over to the Trinity.
But hey, someday the Trinity will be old and it's sites like this that will be the only support.

Is there anything new to the Android OS on HTC Trinity? I'd like to test it... ;-)

simkard said:
it appears that in the video, they explain that 3G+, wifi, GPS etc... a lot of technologies would be supported, and, as all of you knows, it is open source, so drivers won't be long to be released.
i also browsed the http://code.google.com/android and looked after the members of what they named "The Alliance", it appears that HTC is one of them, so it will be good for us =)
let's have news later of this really good looking project !!!
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I repeat myself: Don't expect anything for free for the P3600. HTC has obviously stopped work on this device, and moreover is already angering customers with next-generation-phones, by stating that the problems might be solved in future devices. So don't hold your breath for HTC to create drivers for hardware from 2006.
Have fun!

Lost_in_translation said:
I repeat myself: Don't expect anything for free for the P3600. HTC has obviously stopped work on this device, and moreover is already angering customers with next-generation-phones, by stating that the problems might be solved in future devices. So don't hold your breath for HTC to create drivers for hardware from 2006.
Have fun!
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I think HTC Touch is the only pda capable to run android, but yes, i'd love to run into my white trinity...

I have read on official mailing lidt for Android, that android is made for ARM5 processor.
Our trinity have an ARM4 processor so,it won't work.
And it's look like you can't cross compil to ARM4 besause some part of the kernel is not release, and some processor instrution need to be replace...

Android, Google, MS and other "paranoid" stuff
Ok Folks,
From time to time my "looming" side wins over and my paranoid side peeks up...
Don't be so eager to see the new android as a 7th wonder. What I thought (and feared most) about MS as a Big Brother one day (the "conspiracy" to make us buy ever newer "state of art" computers and because the new OS versions (with each time more demanding HD, memory and processor specs; not to speak of the unknown amount of personal data unknowingly "smugled" into their databanks) now seems grow even worse as the new BB stands up with the happy idea of "net free applications!".
So what? Why can we not set the Google Maps Cache according to our needs? Why do we need to be ON-LINE to use it?
We are stimulated to move some of our files to free-on-line datacenter (or shortly will be invited to).
Think of it a little: if a good part of our applications move to the WEB, fine, cheap, but you'll have to be on-line to access it.
How about some nice and cheap montly contribution, some sort of "signature" for you to access the files you put there. Imagine if MS brokes up and everbody turns Google and Android. How much power do you think this Corp will amount?
If Android goes this thread (on-line apps only or mostly) keep your head down and take easy.The least I would expect was to see the old Bill's as a nice guy after all...
After all, with normal software once bought it is YOURS (ok Antivirus and such don't count), with on-line apps, it will never be yours...
Ok, that is it.
Have a nice week!

Nothing except free software is yours when you use it.
I wouldn't count on an Android port for HTC devices (not even the Diamond). Windows Mobile is a great platform but nobody took advantage of its full capacity.
Don't expect to see anything better than WM6.1 running on a Trinity.
By the way, does anybody know if Linux currently works on it?

Linux...
AndyM3 said:
Nothing except free software is yours when you use it.
I wouldn't count on an Android port for HTC devices (not even the Diamond). Windows Mobile is a great platform but nobody took advantage of its full capacity.
Don't expect to see anything better than WM6.1 running on a Trinity.
By the way, does anybody know if Linux currently works on it?
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Actually there have some threads, out of date... The developers seem to have left Trinity out, because of its lack of keyboard.
I could not find anything downloadable for it. Last time Isaw was two weeks ago...
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Kernel vs ARM4
We need to wait that kernel have drivers to work with ARM4...

Android on Trinity wanted!!
now that the full code is out it's possible!!
who is able to translate the available WM drivers into Android drivers?!?

[Q] Windows 7 on HTC Evo?

I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?

Jaimemex said:
I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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First, before you get hammered, this question belongs in Q&A, not the development section.
It sounds interesting and would be cool to see it happen but I don't think it would be easy. Each driver would have to be ported to the phone and such.
Possible but unlikely but who knows? There as some amazing devs out there.

Jaimemex said:
I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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Why do you feel this question belongs in this forum? And like ricsim said, possible but unlikely. Take a lot of work to do such a thing, and the devs seem pretty busy lately, trying to port something like that would post pone their current work.

Thats funny because just the other day I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?

[email protected] said:
Thats funny because just the other day I figured sense the Evo is similar to the HD2 and the HD7 and they run windows 7 is it possible to make a rom that will port windows 7 OS to the Evo...Just a thought, I really like the OS and I want to at lest try it...BTW there not going to be a W7 phone on sprint for some time...What do you guys think?
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This made me LOL. WRONG FORUM YOU FOO'!

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you again! lol

Haha sorry man, I couldn't help myself.....
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Haha sorry man, I couldn't help myself.....
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it's kool bro lol

This might not be too bad of an idea. Have any of you nay-sayers actually used a WP7 device? I would bet no. It's not a phone that could replace my EVO, but the interface is kinda cool. It would be neat to dual boot WP7 - just because. It saves you from having to buy an expensive WP7 to use it infrequently. I think it's a cool idea, but I don't think there is support for it.

I would also love to see this idea come around, more as another ROM for our phones than anything else, just because I would like to try the interface and I like the idea of having Xbox LIVE on my phone, as well as having a choice of OS's, like Sense and AOSP. Maybe someone out there would like to contribute some time to this?

Windows 7, no. The NT kernel is x86/x64.
Windows Phone 7, technically it meets the requirements, but that's what the HD7 and other WP7 phones are for.

Windows Phone 7, of course. The title of this thread is a little off (Sorry OP). And yes, while we could all certainly go buy Windows Phone 7 devices, why would we do so if our EVOs that we already have are more than capable of handling it?

In terms of specs, the Evo meets the requirement. But there is no other way right now to flash a different OS on the Evo like there was in the case of the HD2 booting Android. There is a tablet coming out or is already out that can dual boot Android and WindowsCE6. So we might be able to find something from that if anything comes out of it. But it wouldn't do any good right now even if WP7 was running on the Evo, you need the genuine Windows phone services, which the HD2 doesn't have since it's not a certified Windows 7 phone.

You can flash Ubuntu to the EVO, I would define that as a different OS.

Ubuntu is also a unix based linux OS like Android. Windows 7 Phone isn't. You're not really flashing Ubuntu on there either, you're really just loading it onto the SD card like you would for Android on the HD2. There were and are tools available for WinMo 6.5 to boot linux on that device and other WinMo devices, but nothing like that for Android devices to boot up CE kernels and OS.

Simple answer:
Not going to happen.
Why?
Android is open. The devs can modify the source to tailor it to a device. Windows Mobile and iOS are not.[/thread]

There won't ever be a worthwhile WP7 port unless you can remove the stick from M$'s butt, because as Team DFT put it "Microsoft's Genuine Software check will basically disable all cloud based services like Zune, Marketplace and Xbox Live if the system can't pull a valid key from the handset's motherboard."
Which means, if your device wasn't pre-loaded with WP7, WP7 won't work on your device. Now they have ported it to other phones, and run it, calls, ect. They just can't access the materials that make WP7 what it is.
So you will need to expect to buy and install a mod chip in your Evo to trick a future WP7 port into thinking your phone is a WP7 phone, or you will need to accept the fact that no phone other than a WP7 phone will be able to fully utilize the software.

Nokia will be able to customize 'everything' in Windows Phone 7

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Stephen Elop, in his financial and strategy briefing continuing Nokia's marathon Capital Markets Day, just posed an interesting rhetorical question: will Nokia be able to "customize everything" on Windows Phone 7 in order to differentiate itself? "Yes!" was Elop's ebullient proclamation, though he quickly pulled it back to say that Nokia likely won't make extensive use of this freedom to tailor Microsoft's OS. Instead, the company will be cautious and seek to maintain compatibility rather than pushing the boat out too far in tweaking the underlying software. That's a major shift for Microsoft, who forbade HTC from skinning Windows Phone 7 with Sense, something the Taiwanese company would surely have loved to do, and limited it to the introduction of a self-contained Hub. Now Nokia's saying it -- perhaps exclusively -- has been given the liberty to play around inside WP7 to its heart's content. We'll see how important that turns out to be whenever Nokia delivers its first device bearing its new smartphone OS. An insider tip tells us the current plan is to introduce such a handset by the end of 2011, potentially based on current hardware. Who's ready for Xbox Live on a future version of the N8?
Source: Endgadget http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-will-be-able-to-customize-everything-in-windows-phone-7/
Does this mean tht v can have hope of getting in deeper thru the roots of WP7, as nokia will surely hav a foot in, all v hav to do is follow them in...right? bt the only thing is tht the "microkia's" are still a lil far off. by then v probably wil already be down inside...eh...

Hope they won't change much。。。

Nokia Maps, Nokia Navigation etc. Those would be the most important things... And a look like this!

JuWa said:
Nokia Maps, Nokia Navigation etc. Those would be the most important things... And a look like this!
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A few more edges would be fine...I don't like this rounded design.
But, if these will have free Ovi Maps Navigation and those ultra clear black AMOLED-screen, I'd definitely go for them!

Hopefully they don't change a whole lot other than maybe apps. We've seen how multiple UIs has affected the fragmentation and performance of Android. If it's properly executed, and we have the option to use the standard Metro UI, I'm up for it, and as long as it doesn't hog the CPU performance any different than current devices, I'm up for possibly purchasing it. The reason why WP7, at least to me, is so appealing is because it runs so fluid and has a "togetherness" feel to it. All of the apps, the menus, etc all have the same design to them while not detracting from variety of apps.

madmax85812 said:
Stephen Elop, in his financial and strategy briefing continuing Nokia's marathon Capital Markets Day, just posed an interesting rhetorical question: will Nokia be able to "customize everything" on Windows Phone 7 in order to differentiate itself? "Yes!" was Elop's ebullient proclamation, though he quickly pulled it back to say that Nokia likely won't make extensive use of this freedom to tailor Microsoft's OS. Instead, the company will be cautious and seek to maintain compatibility rather than pushing the boat out too far in tweaking the underlying software. That's a major shift for Microsoft, who forbade HTC from skinning Windows Phone 7 with Sense, something the Taiwanese company would surely have loved to do, and limited it to the introduction of a self-contained Hub. Now Nokia's saying it -- perhaps exclusively -- has been given the liberty to play around inside WP7 to its heart's content. We'll see how important that turns out to be whenever Nokia delivers its first device bearing its new smartphone OS. An insider tip tells us the current plan is to introduce such a handset by the end of 2011, potentially based on current hardware. Who's ready for Xbox Live on a future version of the N8?
Source: Endgadget http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/nokia-will-be-able-to-customize-everything-in-windows-phone-7/
Does this mean tht v can have hope of getting in deeper thru the roots of WP7, as nokia will surely hav a foot in, all v hav to do is follow them in...right? bt the only thing is tht the "microkia's" are still a lil far off. by then v probably wil already be down inside...eh...
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omg onoz fragemtation !!!11111
wait, this is wp7, so now fragmentation is ok, right ?
the buttons are gone , what's next ?

Wonder if that pic is a dodgy mock up?
ohgood said:
omg onoz fragmentation !!!
wait, this is wp7, so now fragmentation is ok, right ?
the buttons are gone , what's next ?
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You might engage both brain cells before your next post?

Tone_ said:
You might engage both brain cells before your next post?
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Don't overstrain him

Windows Phone 8 definitely coming to 2nd gen handsets, probably to 1st gen

Wow, just read an interesting new
http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-re...to-second-gen-handsets-probably-to-first-gen/
Perhaps all devices will get the Apollo update. What do you think??

It's what I've been saying the entire time. Why wouldn't they get the update? There really isn't much difference between 1 and 1.5 Gen devices.

yeah but what if microsoft tricks all of us, and with the apollo update comes for 3rd gen devices that are coming later this year. because of one fact, if they will "port" windows 8 to a phone, there is not enough memory (RAM) on the now available wp7 phones, they all have "only" 512 mb or 486 or 256... i think theyre are making a secret out of it because they are launching 3rd gen device that can have a windows 8 system on it. thats just a thought...

Dinchy87 said:
yeah but what if microsoft tricks all of us, and with the apollo update comes for 3rd gen devices that are coming later this year. because of one fact, if they will "port" windows 8 to a phone, there is not enough memory (RAM) on the now available wp7 phones, they all have "only" 512 mb or 486 or 256... i think theyre are making a secret out of it because they are launching 3rd gen device that can have a windows 8 system on it. thats just a thought...
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Why should Windows Phone 8 need more RAM than Windows Phone 7 or 7.5 does? oO Windows Phone 8 != Windows 8, even if they share the same kernel, or at least parts of it.

And if it does come to gen 2 devices, will AT&T treay it the same as they did 7740 and 8107?

It's not logical to think that first-gen won't run WP8.
They keep dumbing down the standards (the minimum requirements), I guarantee their 3rd gen WP8 handsets are going to be sub-par, and go after the middle of the road market.
Think less quad-core, and more feature-phone.

To say Microsoft has dumbed down Windows Phone to accomodate "feature phones" is not a true statement.
Give me the changes to the specs made to Windows Phone. Here is the list
One feature moved from mandatory to optional is camera. That would have nothing to do with low end vs high end but to facilitate businesses that do not allow cameraphones.
Another feature is the Tango 256MB. And unlike Android, there is no performance penalty from running 256MB, there is an app penalty.

MS can't afford to go the android way and stop supporting a bit older phones, because lots of users would walk away from their OS. i love wp7 very very much, but if i won't get the update on my mozart, i'll stop supporting them entirely

pikacz said:
MS can't afford to go the android way and stop supporting a bit older phones, because lots of users would walk away from their OS. i love wp7 very very much, but if i won't get the update on my mozart, i'll stop supporting them entirely
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Yeah, same here!

dkp1977 said:
Why should Windows Phone 8 need more RAM than Windows Phone 7 or 7.5 does? oO Windows Phone 8 != Windows 8, even if they share the same kernel, or at least parts of it.
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because i have tested it, windows phone 7 uses around 120-250mb sometimes more... with normal use, wlan, and 4-5 background tasks, and gsm. windows 8 uses far more, around 500mb minimum. and not a single app is running. then run something like IE with two or more tabs open, there goes your RAM or 512mb... so that the reason why i think microsoft make it like iphone and make an whole new device, with newer specs...
the second is. that some of the 1gen. devices dont have gyroscope and some other sensors that are used now in the 2nd generation dev. and what comes till end of this year the 3rd. gen. i think they will have just betters specs than 1st. and 2nd. ge. devices. plus more RAM and better processors. better screen resolutions and more...

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a rather old Asus Galaxy Windows Mobile 6.5 smartphone running a very early build of the ARM version of Windows 8 back when Microsoft didn’t have access to ARM based prototype tablets

Tone_ said:
a rather old Asus Galaxy Windows Mobile 6.5 smartphone running a very early build of the ARM version of Windows 8 back when Microsoft didn’t have access to ARM based prototype tablets
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That's Windows 7 it's running... Look at the lower right corner of the screen... Also, notice it's not using Aero or even non the non Aero desktop...

I think its been said that all phones will get WP8 but earlier phones will have features disabled just like low end Tango Phones won't have all Mango features.
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That's Windows 7 it's running... Look at the lower right corner of the screen... Also, notice it's not using Aero or even non the non Aero desktop...
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Back when they first showed windows 8 running on ARM they specifically stated that they were using windows 7 shell on windows 8 kernel. I cant recall what it was exactly but it was Microsoft keynote @ mix11 or maybe before that even.
Not to mention there is no ARM version of windows 7
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I love how Microsoft says some WP7 1st gen devices won't support Skype. While not official, Skype is working awesome on my HTC Trophy CDMA. Sure, I don't have a forward facing camera... but my front camera works... that has its own uses... XD

First Photos Windows Phone 8 !!

It's Real Windows Phone 8
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Windows Phone 7.5 better receive this start screen customization update via the 7.8 update.

To bad no update for older units might get the start screen.
http://m.cnet.com/news/no-windows-phone-8-upgrade-for-current-devices/57456655

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To bad no update for older units might get the start screen.
http://m.cnet.com/news/no-windows-phone-8-upgrade-for-current-devices/57456655
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I'm sad...
WP 7.8 update might look cool for existing phone, but when WP8 devices starts rolling, developers would move onto the Native Code for better performance. And guess what, older devices would be left out of the upcoming apps.
I was planning to buy a Lumia 710. Now, i'm on a second thought

I think this new tile organization looks kinda messy.

Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/

xsever said:
Hopefully this is true.
http://mynokiablog.com/2012/06/20/w...siasts-btw-this-is-a-wp8-lumia-already-right/
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That blog article is completely false.
If you read the actual PhoneScoop article it links to, it clearly states Windows Phone 8 handsets will get unofficial updates to future Windows Phone versions. "This does not apply to Windows Phone 7.x"
In other words, there will be none of the current "oh my carrier isn't pushing the update what ever shall I do?!" you will simply be able to get the update straight from MS.
Makes sense now?

All the hopes now is from DFT and their mighty hands and minds.

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All the hopes now is from DFT and their mighty hands and minds.
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I also think DFT and others will help the effort to flash WP8 onto current bootloader-unlocked handsets.
The only question is whether drivers will be available/compatible and what exactly will we be missing out on with 7.8? In theory a few select apps or games I can probably live without?

Anybody else think the home screen is a cluster ****?

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Anybody else think the home screen is a cluster ****?
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The way they have presented it, indeed.
Although anyone with taste/sense (like myself ) will probably follow the route of the current medium tiles with maybe 4 tiles minimised at the top such as email, phone, texts and IE for example.

xsever said:
Windows Phone 7.5 better receive this start screen customization update via the 7.8 update.
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orrrrrrr what ? you buy ANOTHER PHONE from them to upgrade to 8.0 ?
yes, that will teach them.

karan1203 said:
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yes, but you'll get used to it. just like you did the existing wp7 home screen when the most popular options available (ios/android) all had (have) a bajillion icons on them.

To say the truth i actually kinda like that start screen that is what it should've been

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I also think DFT and others will help the effort to flash WP8 onto current bootloader-unlocked handsets.
The only question is whether drivers will be available/compatible and what exactly will we be missing out on with 7.8? In theory a few select apps or games I can probably live without?
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From a view of a developer , i think it is reasonable to continue supporting Windows Phone 7.5/7.8 for awhile... Since the XAML code will still work for WP8 and Apps for WP7.5 will work for Windows Phone 8. But when you need specific hardware to do the job, you will have to develop an apps separately for Windows Phone 8 (like the feature tap to exchange info)...
In the phone industry, i don't really get it why MS can just get the C++/C native support for Windows Phone 7.8 as well, or the code must be integrated in the OS so deep with the new kernel at a point that the current chipset for current generation can't support or run well. For me, it is not a totally big deal since i am not in any kind of contract and planning to get a Windows Phone 8 anyway, but with Avg Users , who have just signed contract for 2 years for a Lumia 900, it could be a broken deal. At least the OEM could do something to help these people out.

Lumia 900 wp7.8

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Strike_Eagle said:
In the phone industry, i don't really get it why MS can just get the C++/C native support for Windows Phone 7.8 as well
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Native programming on Windows Phone 7.8 would probably mean programming with WinRT as the API, to be compatible with WP8, and implementing WinRT on top of Windows CE could be a major untertaking, one that Microsoft wants to avoid.

Pssssh MSFT, Even Apple is a better updater than you.....
By the way, That homescreen looks hideous and looks a lot like AOL Kids from... 1996. I thought MS was pushing towards a more modern UI, But instead, they are going backwards. I bet that its the design teams fault. Ballmer will be "laying off" the whole design team, I assume. I hope WP 9 fixes all of this.

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I think this new tile organization looks kinda messy.
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Messy is to much of a nice word; I would say that it look like total crap. How does filling up you screen with different size tiles make you phone more personal? Instead of adding different color backgrounds and tiles or even an option to add a picture background to the start screen they come out with this?
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Yes, I do. It looks like it was desinged by the makers of Tetris. What are Ballmer and Belfiore smoking over there?
http://windowsphone.uservoice.com/forums/101801-feature-suggestions/suggestions/2945637-get-rid-of-the-new-ui-and-add-an-opption-to-add-wa

sinister1 said:
Messy is to much of a nice word; I would say that it look like total crap. How does filling up you screen with different size tiles make you phone more personal? Instead of adding different color backgrounds and tiles or even an option to add a picture background to the start screen they come out with this?
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Yes, I do. It looks like it was desinged by the makers of Tetris. What are Ballmer and Belfiore smoking over there?
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You could just use the normal tile size like we have it already on WP 7.5 You don't have to use the smaller ones. It's up to you how you will set your start screen. So there is really no need to be angry...