Hey,
i dont get it why everybody is complaining about WP7 and switching boat to android.
So what i really wanne say is: why is there a black part on the start screen? where is multitasking?
i dont know if some of you ever saw a zune, but isnt there a way to switch from start screen to hitsory and recent played/watched stuff?
maybe you get the direction where this is going.
overall i like the look of the fresh ui. and i am not worried, because microsoft is always late in the game, but always have the best stuff.
only because something is different and more easy for casual people dosnt mean it sucks. i am a internship salesperson and nearly all the android people come back and ask for help. (same for old windows mobile ;-) ) no problems with webos and osx btw.
just my 2 cents
i dont know if some of you ever saw a zune, but isnt there a way to switch from start screen to hitsory and recent played/watched stuff?i dont know if some of you ever saw a zune, but isnt there a way to switch from start screen to hitsory and recent played/watched stuff?
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And what exactly does this have to do with multitasking?
I give you a hint: NOTHING.
Multitasking is running several applications at once. The iPhone has multitasking only for phone and music (i.e. you can be on a call or listen music while doing something else, but you can NOT run any two applications at the same time).
There are other things, besides phone and music, that absolutely need multitasking. Those will not be possible.
iPhone has multitasking after jailbreak and very good, in my opinion)
so i think it's the matter of time when the WP7 will be jailbroken like the iPhone and there will be many 3rd party apps
seed_al said:
Those will not be possible.
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We don't know if and to what extent multitasking will be supported.
Sultan1993 said:
iPhone has multitasking after jailbreak and very good, in my opinion)
so i think it's the matter of time when the WP7 will be jailbroken like the iPhone and there will be many 3rd party apps
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what ?? the multitasking on the iphone is real crap. its really slow, i tried to copy some files trougth scp and started an app, it was inpossible to use the app in realtime....
i tried it myself on my friend's iPhone 3Gs... this multitas app looks like new SENSE in HTC Desire.. all your running apps are in thumbnails
seed_al said:
And what exactly does this have to do with multitasking?
I give you a hint: NOTHING.
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I ll give you a hint.. you can switch to running applications. but i dont expect that you get it just from the start.
RustyGrom said:
We don't know if and to what extent multitasking will be supported.
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I meant "those will not be possible if there is no multitasing". OK now?
@Azthel, no, those things have absolutely nothing to do with multitasking. They're just lists containing recently played stuff.
And if you want to know it more precisely: The music player WILL be able to run in the background. Just like on the iPhone.
And no, again, this does NOT AT ALL mean that there will be multitasking for everything else. Just like on the iPhone.
But I don't expect that you will ever understand that, so... whatever
In the Zune they have nothing to do with Multitasking you re correct. But thats not the Point.
It would be an easy way to handle Multitasking. You can easily see whats running in the Background. WM. 6.5 has an awefull way to manage this. I am not talking about recent used stuff exactly like on the zune. i am just saying this metaphor on the zune can be so much more. and again: why is there so much black space (its on the zune for switching). maybe this time its clear.
i am expecting a lot more for wp7s. but i absolutly like the way everything is arranged at the moment.
It would be an easy way to handle Multitasking. You can easily see whats running in the Background.
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If that's your point... why don't you say that in the first place?
There are many ways to handle multitasking in a way that makes sense. But we've seen none of them on WP7. So what's the point of the whole thread?
Sure, you can expect lots of things. I would expect an Exposé-like task switcher... but that doesn't mean WP7 will have such a feature... at this point, everything we've seen and everything that has been said by Microsoft hints at no task switcher and no real multitasking being available.
They could come up with some magical multitasking concept at MIX. But there's no point in speculating, since really nothing hints at that (and frankly, a "recent" list on the Zune is really no hint).
quick question. can any android app thats in the market be used on any device thats has the android os or do certain android apps only work on certain android phones?
Android is Android really. That being said, there are always reports of certain apps not working on certain phones. In my experience, I haven't found a single Android app that didn't work on my Evo and my viewsonic Gtab.
I'm sure there are some people out there that can give actual examples of some that don't work, I just haven't come across any, so ymmv.
Were there specific apps you mean?
Some apps are made for specific phones, like the galaxy s phones, there are evo specific apps too. So not all apps will work on all phones
We're comin from a pure power source.
http://www.android.com/kitkat/index.html
Well if past versions are any indicator...I think I would save my money and buy a TWINKIE instead!!! Come on...give me a break already. If its the same old bland and black ui with widgets that do not match over all ui theme,the usual google bloatware,ui issues going nack to version 1 regarding how the launchers do not properly format wallpapers to screen in landscape mode..if it even supports landscape mode..,calendar with a widget that does not even include a full month calendar...generally very basic over all. I will hold off on jumping on this bandwagon until I get the "experience" that awes me vs causes me to snore. They should call it Lemon instead.
Have a free KitKat guys !
http://www.androidauthority.com/kitkat-giveaway-262396/
Rumor is they chose Kit-Kat because they're breaking away the core apps from the OS into the Play Store - so "break me off a piece".
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Rumor is they chose Kit-Kat because they're breaking away the core apps from the OS into the Play Store - so "break me off a piece".
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Like Google Keyboard. Someone was talking about Google Camera as well. Google Launcher would be nice =D
i would like to see google take this opportunity not just as a marketing scheme to pull in more money but also really bring android up to par with iphone in the user experience area. an interface that is eye catching like sense but actually optimized to run smoothly on any device..can be done with what they have now actually,the themers pull it off for the most part..so they could also. andtoid needs to take that next step..not just be a bunch of marketing crap with absolutely no substance. and stop with the .1,.2,.3,.4,.5....etc releases..really. Release a STABLE operating system that actually works well enough to do everyone until the next release. That gives time to really develop new things instead of focusing on small updates that amount to nothing in the end. Kit Kat,Butterfinger, Hershey's...I dont give a damn what you call it..just make it good.
Looking and searching for days on this topic. Could not find word on anybody working on it.
It is pretty heavy handed for Google to issue an update that reduces to functionality to their device. I use Adobe flash may be 5% of the time on my phone, but still, if I don't use it at all, I will just use an iPhone. No point in letting Google make money from my searches.
It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
k3lcior said:
It's not Google job to keep Adobe Flash Player updated.
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Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
Yes, because Adobe is no longer updating it.
This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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This is what Dolphin says on the developer's website (https://dolphinbrowser.desk.com/cus...id-4-4-how-do-i-enable-flash-player-?b_id=317) --
The Adobe Flash Player is no longer compatible with Android 4.4 Kitkat devices. Some critical APIs have been removed from Android 4.4 Kitkat that all browser cannot activate the flash player. We are working on to provide better video playing experience.
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Right, but is anyone working on this at the rom level?
which APIs and why are they removed?
Galaid said:
which APIs and why are they removed?
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Website rendering is no longer done by AOSP(which renders flash). Now it's done by chromium (which doesn't render flash)
Lolento said:
Adobe flash player doesn't have to be updated. Out dated versions work fine on Android 4.3. But compatibility is completely gone on Kitkat.
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As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
Bogdacutu said:
As someone else already said, it's not Google's job to keep Adobe's app updated.
You're basically relying on old technology that should have been gone for a long time already. If you think about it that way, ask yourself, why doesn't Windows rely on MS-DOS anymore (it was there in older versions, so why isn't it there now)?
And I don't see how switching to iPhone would help in any way, you can't sideload apps or have Flash at all actually. Do you really want to go from a 7" screen to a 4" one? And wouldn't you use Google on iOS too?
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
Lolento said:
Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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Last time I checked the 16-bit subsystem was no longer there in 64-bit Windows.
Lolento said:
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash.
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I don't understand why you keep blaming Google and not Apple, who ceased development on Flash for mobile devices 2 YEARS AGO
Lolento said:
Your argument is exactly why I will not longer consider Android as my next whatever device. Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one. I dont really sideload anything aside from flash, which i use to access sports websites.
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So your willing to go pick up a new over priced device which gives you next to no freedom on it for customization, for a old, out dated, inefficient system of flash? Even though that device also has no flash support ? Glad we settled that.
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Joppykid said:
Android gives you customization where as iPhone pretty much tells you how your layout is going to be. A lot more freedom on Android, that is the biggest difference for me. You're definitely on the wrong forums to start an iOS vs Android debate though.
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This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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Couldn't agree more... If only iOS have a 5" phone, I'd have jump ship.
The customization advantage is getting lesser by the day...
Lolento said:
This is not even an iOS or Android debate, I can pick up a Windows device, who knows.
Google removing flash support is the last straw for me. And I am surprised that no else see it as getting escalatingly worse.
Here are a few things that Google did this year.
1. Gmail exchange active sync support removed
2. Youtube comment ties to Google+
3. Google dropping voice support for third party apps
4. And now removal of the killer app, adobe flash, that brought me over from iOS in the first place
Also, i have been using android for the past three years. The level of customization on Android is more of a toy box than anything else. With the removal of adobe flash support, the core functionality is identical and i would even give Windows Phone an edge over both iOS and Android.
Lastly, btw, this thread is about whether any dev is working to bring adobe flash back to 4.4. I didnt start this debate.
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How is comparing pros and cons of two competing operating systems not a debate?
You asked "what makes android better than iOS, nothing IMO" I told you what I liked about Android over iOS. And you only mentioned iOS and Android in all of your posts, nothing about windows.
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Joppykid said:
I understand that flash is a big deal for a lot of people. I am unaware of any devs working on it. Sounds like it may be tough with Google removing the framework needed for flash. I doubt many devs want to put time in to developing something that is starting to get phased out. Good luck in your quest to find flash.
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Not just starting to get phased out. As far as Google is concerned, you aren't supposed to keep using an app that hasn't been updated for 2 years (and if the only app using the framework was pretty much abandoned a long time ago why would they have to keep supporting it?)
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Even when MS no longer base windows on DOS, the underlying DOS commamds are still supported.
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How does that compare? Want me to list the hundreds of programs that no longer work in modern Windows incarnations? How about most Creative sound cards? Is that MS' fault? I wouldn't say that, but you probably would.
Google is pretty heavy handed in trying force users to move away from flash. There are better tech available, I agree, but there asre still tons of websites using flash exclusively. These websites are completely essentially to the people who use it.
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So Adobe is moving away from Flash for mobile and you are saying it's Google's fault for not making sure every outdated app works on their newest OS version?
I also want to ask, aside from flash, objectively, what makes Android better iOS. Nothing, imo.
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"objectively" - "imo". 'Nuff said.
I believe App vs App, the quality of Apps on iOS is better than Android, even the Google one.
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And that's your right, but don't spin it as anything other than your own biased opinion. Also, I'm pretty sure those sports websites never worked on iOS devices, ever.
I think its a good move by Google, the faster website developers will realize flash is outdated the better for everyone, less users using flash content because its incompatible will force them to switch to html5, sooner or later.
Homever Adobe should stop supporting desktop version too, it would fasten up the process alot.
Again, I was not inviting a debate in my OP. But if it needs to continue, it can.
Firstly, on Windows platform, in every modern iteration, there is a compatibility mode that maintains (to a certain extent) backwards compatibility. This is how MS does business, they dont go out of nowhere to drop support for a key piece of software. My windows 7 setup is backward compatible to software back to Windows 95.
Google, on the other hand, drops third party support for anything that they have a market share strangle hold on. Mark my word on this. It started with exchange sync support for gmail, then google voice, it will not stop there.
I think everyone hopes that web devs will realize flash player is dead. This is wishful thinking. Just like I wish voice call and sms should be dead.
Fact is, there are still millions of websites that are still dependent on flash player. They are still essential to people who uses these websites. I really dont care if Google supports or not, my OP asked if anyone else is working on it.
I switched from iPhone to Android years ago because Steve Job's Apple is a bully in their vision of technology. I see google as going down the same path.
Google doesn't really make anything that blow people's mind. They make things that are cheap and are good enough. I can easily and happily switch. In fact, I already made up my mind to test out the Dell Venue 8 Pro with Win 8.1 since the holiday deals look pretty good.
Lastly, I think someone misunderstood the diff between 'objective' vs 'subjective'.