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Get it or no

Well im just asking if i should get it or no.
I want to replace my laptop with it and a small keyboard. 10.5 LTE with Supposatly the Samsung exynos that is a 8 core but seem it not in reality like samsung lied
I want to hear the good and bad.
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EDIT : Hello bonami2 , I posted the reply below before i realized it was you from NBR Forum, Welcome to XDA
It depends on what you want to do, if you want to watch video`s most of the time, get it, it has an amazing display, if you want to browse the internet most of the time, dont get it as the oled display eats the battery when it shows white, you are better of getting an lcd tablet, gaming kills the battery on all tablets so it does not make that much difference between oled and lcd.
You can get browsers that have night mode, where white is black so it save a load of battery power but it looks like crap.
John.

Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.

Akopps said:
Don't get it. Poor battery life in general. Horrible idle battery life with Lollipop. The CPU is outdated by now. If you have to get a large screen tablet right now, go with Ipad Air 2 or Google Nexus 9. Moreover, we're slowly approaching the holiday season. Normally all new products are released in the second half of year. Even Samsung's Tab S replacement is rumored to be arriving in the second half of this year.
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The new cpu for the tab s2 is supposate to be only 50% better in singlethread. and Enable the hmp to use the 8 core and have a higher clock and new architecture.
But at the end my 4 old Galaxy nexus from samsung from like 2011 2012 is still able to browse website with it old crappy dual core ahah. with 1/6 the singlethread
Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery.
Not interrested in any apple product even if i was forced to.
At the end there is nothing on the market that seem worth the money. Except the tab s and i do know how to save battery with the recent research and own experience with my old Amoled phone.
So im gonna try it and return it if im not happy
And put the money toward some gpu
Anyways im getting it mid july and i heard it could be released in that time frame. Will see.
Thank you for all the negative

I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.

And yea it me from nbr decided to post in case i could learn other stuff Google is good but we never have enough info
Thank you

ashyx said:
I have no problem with battery usage. It lasts a long time for me.
Tablet design is one of the best, the screen is fantastic. No issues with lag in normal day to day usage.
Websites with heavy usage of ads and graphics, can exhibit a little lag, but nothing out of the ordinary or that bothers me.
Sound quality is great. Touchwiz isn't the best implementation of an interface, not compared to HTC sense on my M8. However all in all quite happy with it.
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Thank you
Tested something with my nexus 5
Chrome is laggy when moving page the finger move faster than the browser
Dolphin go as fast as my finger can go on the screen and doest lagg at all or almost. Sure heavy page are slow to load.
Im mostly interrested in the multitasking thing samsung made i tried it on the old Note 2 and it work fine

Ps i have a 6000mah external battery
Gonna use it to power the external hdd im gonna get later down the road.
100% laptop replacement with storage everywhere

What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"

Tinderbox (UK) said:
What is "black movie" ?? or did you mean black mode?
John.
"Poor battery life well i seen 15 hour of movie time with black movie. Using Dolphin and A night mode should allow to have better battery"
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Uh review was replaying Harry potter in loop for 15 hour
I mean Dark movie sorry
Am limited to 1 post each 4 minute ahah

The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.

Tinderbox (UK) said:
The New S2 has an 4:3 display it has shown up on benchmarking apps, and the resolution is 2048x1536 that is an 4:3 aspect ratio like the iPad`s
John.
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Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane

My battery monitor says around 12hrs video playback at hd resolution depending on how bright the video is, Harry Potter=Yes , Dune=No
John.
QUOTE=Bonami2;61650442]Oh yea but 15 hour on the tab s 10.5
yea im staying aways from that crap 4:3 ratio i have no idea how people can like that i had a laptop with that ratio for about 10 years until the screen hinge broke + the battery + the screen itself go humidity stuck in the panel and the fan started rattling lol
Ended using it as a server and finnaly recycled it after it started sounding like an airplane [/QUOTE]

My battery is ok. Not good overnight on standby so charge it or switch it off.
I get an occasional freeze on lollipop when watching films. Was no problem on kitkat. Hope the next release fixes the movie issue.
Love the design. If the s2 is even better I may be tempted - but not by a smaller screen (as suggested).
That's out in the next month or 2 isn't it? Why not wait. Then you can buy my S lol

My T800 only looses 1-2% in 16 hours according to the app below, how much do you loose, have you tried finding out what is causing your battery drain.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ck.batterymonitor&hl=en
John.

First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.

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First of is this a very good tablet.... yes. There is a handful of flagship class tablets that are made for android and for the most part they each have small advantages and disadvantages over each other. The best thing you can do is figure out exactly what type of stuff you want to do on your tablet.
Second this tablet is a Big.little 2X quadcore, so calling it an octacore is both cprrect and deceptive at the same time. Honestly I have no clue if Samsung enabled HMP (heterogeneous multi processing- the ability to use both quad cores at the same time) or not but I have noticed that the tablet is usually more gpu bound then it ever gets processor bound. In practice the faxct that there are better processors out there (tegra k1) does not mean that this tablet can not handle almost any program you can throw at it (that runs on it-- no tegra zone or xcom).
Lastly I would not recomend this tablet, the nexus 9, Nvidia shield, Sony z4, or any other android tablet as a laptop replacement. Or to be more precise I could not use one in that role. It has nothing to do with speed, this tablet is far faster then the pentium 4m dell I used to have. It is not so much the size of the tablet the 10.1 inch screen is not much different then some ultrabook screens I have used. The main issue in using an android tablet as a laptop replacement is Android. If you could load linux on this tablet amd run it then it might be a little closer to a working replacement, but even then the arm architecture severely limits program compatibility. The lack of even 1 full sized usb port (yes I know it has otg) limits accessories that can be used.
If you only ever need to do some very light document editing, then yes this can replace a laptop. If you need to do more then that and you absolutly have to have a tablet form factor then buy a surface 3 (never a 1 or 2, windows rt is useless) or other x86 based windows 8.1 tablet. If you want the best of both worlds then for the price of a galaxy tab s abd a keyboard you can get a convertable tablet/laptop and have a laptop for heavy workloads and a tablet for fun all in one.
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im mostly looking to browse internet and go on forum and listen to music and movie on the go
I think it fit perfectly. Anyways most current laptop are overpowered and windows cant even utilise the hardware correctly.
10hour battery life on a laptop is pretty hard to do

The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
John.

Tinderbox (UK) said:
The review in the link below quotes approx 7.5 hrs internet browsing which is almost the lowest, but the video playback is the longest, have a read of the full review if you have not yet.
Try "UC Browser" it has the best night mode i have see.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.uc.browser.hd&hl=en_GB
http://anandtech.com/show/8197/samsung-galaxy-tab-s-review-105-84inch/3
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Will see i could maybe get the tablet the 5 :laugh:

If younare looking for multimedia playback (videos and songs) and some internet browsing then yes you are correct, you don't need a full sized laptop. Tbh you really do not need a seprate bluetooth keyboard for thst either and that was partly what I was basing the thought you might want to do more then that on the tablet. Word processing for a document of any reasonable length, is lously on android even with a bluetooth or usb otg keyboard.
If you want to watch movies or listen to music on the go do not forget to buy a microSD card, this tablet supports up to 128GB but 64GB is a far better value. 16GB (or even 32GB lte model) is not enough memory after programs and the OS to store more then a few hours of moderate quality (480p-720p) videos and evem kitkat reads multimedia from removable storage with out any need to mess around with roms or root. Heck it is the one thing Google thinks should go on a microSD card, that and pictures.

[Q] Games drain battery almost 40% an hour?

I got the LG G4 last week and every time I game on the phone, it uses 38% of my battery or so per hour. Is this normal? Nothing else uses much battery, the gaming optimizer is on and I've disabled extra apps I don't need.
I also notice my phone gets too hot to touch sometimes when playing a game.
At this rate I only get a little over 2 hours of use on a fully charged phone, which is crazy.
I have the Tmobile version, if that matters.
Does this happen to anyone else? My Samsung S4 and Xperia Z3 Compact had MUCH better gaming time than my G4. Maybe I have a dud?

Omgiloveshineythings said:
I got the LG G4 last week and every time I game on the phone, it uses 38% of my battery or so per hour. Is this normal? Nothing else uses much battery, the gaming optimizer is on and I've disabled extra apps I don't need.
I also notice my phone gets too hot to touch sometimes when playing a game.
At this rate I only get a little over 2 hours of use on a fully charged phone, which is crazy.
I have the Tmobile version, if that matters.
Does this happen to anyone else? My Samsung S4 and Xperia Z3 Compact had MUCH better gaming time than my G4. Maybe I have a dud?
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Sounds about right if its an intense game. It has to push 2k pixels, where as the s4 and z3 has much fewer. I kept having weird glitches with the game optimizer on playing final fantasy record keeper, so I turned it off and things worked fine. For that game it was probably closer to 30% an hour for me. I also have my brightness 35% or less too. Try turning off the game optimizer and see what happens. What is your brightness?

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Sounds about right if its an intense game. It has to push 2k pixels, where as the s4 and z3 has much fewer. I kept having weird glitches with the game optimizer on playing final fantasy record keeper, so I turned it off and things worked fine. For that game it was probably closer to 30% an hour for me. I also have my brightness 35% or less too. Try turning off the game optimizer and see what happens. What is your brightness?
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Is there any way to lower the pixel density so it doesn't have to push such high quality graphics? Another person said they thought the g4 is a terrible option for gaming because it has a bad GPU and that might be why it gets hot as well. I tend to play games on my phone alot when I'm waiting for something or bored so losing 38% battery an hour makes the phone a terrible fit for me. I have 14 days to return it, so I'm thinking about getting a phone like the s5 or something.
I'll try turning the optimizer off and see if that changes anything. My brightness depends on where I am but at home i keep it at about 30%.

Lower the graphics quality in the game and turn down the brightness, you can't do much more.
And 40% sounds completely reasonable.

This is what I noticed playing Juice Jam. It drains fast with auto brightness (50%). I'll try disabling game optimizer and see if it does anything.

Not much you can do except fiddle with the brightness.
And you're correct with the G4 not being a good gaming device. The GPU isn't exactly the greatest but still formidable. But with that 1440p screen, you can't expect magic. I would only do minor casual gaming on this thing (ie. Checking up on village in COC sort of thing with a few raids), nothing intense. Otherwise you would need a different phone. The Sony Xperia (Z3 I think?) are good for gaming with their insane battery life. S6 would be your next best bet.

Jumped here only to mention the Z3 battery life ... It is worth every penny when it comes to screen on time. By the end of the day it hits 5~6 hours of sot mainly gaming where as the g4 hardly gets 3~4 hours of moderate use.
Currently own both the Z3 and the G4 and both in dual SIM versions too
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Yes, you can lower the pixel density. That will probably cause some UI inconsistencies throughout the phone, but most things should work, but from seeing it on the Note 4, a lot of things won't as well.
I'd say, don't fret. You're getting 2 hours of playing games on your phone... If you picked the G4 for THAT reason, return it. Surely there are better phones, as mentioned, the Z3 has great battery life - probably the best for a phone its size. There's also the OPO and the Zen Mate 7. All have GREAT battery life, but of course, lack in other features.
Would I have preferred a 1080p screen? Yes! Why do I need a higher quality screen in my phone than in my living room? Lol. Is there anything I can do about this now that we already have this 2k screen frenzy? Nope. Even the next Sony device us rumored to jump onto its bandwagon as well...

Samsung Tab Pro 8.4 - Overheating and rebooting during gaming??

OK, someone is willingly to sell me a Tab Pro 8.4 for a good price. Now everything works well, except for small fly in the ointment. He said while heavy gaming sometimes the tablet reboots. SO not sure if this is a software or hardware issue?

I have personally never had this problem, nor have I ever heard of other people getting this problem. The 8.4 can get pretty hot on the left side in the middle, where I assume the processor is located, though. Seems like a hardware problem specific to that tablet though, maybe a bad batch of CPU's.

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I have personally never had this problem, nor have I ever heard of other people getting this problem. The 8.4 can get pretty hot on the left side in the middle, where I assume the processor is located, though. Seems like a hardware problem specific to that tablet though, maybe a bad batch of CPU's.
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Nor have I, seller says everything works just really heavy gaming that its rebooted at times.

Shouldn't reboot, the tablet has thermal monitoring and will down-clock the cpu if it gets too hot, it could be a software issue or a problem with knox as that is known to reboot the tablet...
maybe it was a return and someone installed a custom firmware then flashed it back to stock.
Though can't really rule out the possibility of a buggy game, some apps such as reicast will cause this tablet to reboot due to a kernel bug / snapdragon bug (on stock firmware).

I have tab 8.4 and it heats fast when I play some racing or 3D games (example Asphalt 8, NFS:MW,Roblox,Minecraft,etc) or even if I watch YouTube videos on 1080p60 or 4K for about 10mins. And when it overheats, performance is worse than not overheated(on YouTube, not a big effect). That thing is only when I play that game or watch that video. Can I somehow make it not overheat without losing performance?

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I have tab 8.4 and it heats fast when I play some racing or 3D games (example Asphalt 8, NFS:MW,Roblox,Minecraft,etc) or even if I watch YouTube videos on 1080p60 or 4K for about 10mins. And when it overheats, performance is worse than not overheated(on YouTube, not a big effect). That thing is only when I play that game or watch that video. Can I somehow make it not overheat without losing performance?
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if you are rooted you can downclock the cpu or limit the number of cores active at one time.
Turning the screen brightness down can help too.

I am NOT rooted, brightness is about 20%.

Poking around with the kernel, and experiencing this myself, the cores are pretty hefty and can generate some heat under full power. The GPU is not so hefty, so can generate heat when overworked (e.g., by playing games). It underclocks itself to protect against overheating, but of it gets to a certain temperature, it will restart to remove the load on the cores and stop the generation of heat. There is nothing adversely wrong with your device. That's supposed to happen. Trust me. I have had the Tab Pro for a while.

[Q] Considering on purchasing the z5 premium

As the title states I am thinking on making a purchase for the z5 premium. My question is fast forward to about a year,how has the phone been holding up on a day to day use? Heating issues still occur? Worse,same,better? Battery life has taken a a hit? Are you satisfied with whenever you've purchased the z5 premium from day 1 at launch or recent purchase? How's the image quality on the camera performance? Any other info on how the z5 premium is doing since you purchased it is greatly appreciated. Thanks

Im completely happy with the phone performance, bought in November 2015 (just when launched). Battery still good, if I dont game too much, almost two days depending if at home with wifi or at work with 4g and elevators (loss of signal) several times a day, but always at least the whole day. It heats only with 3D heavy games or during the summer if you use it a lot outside, but always usable. Video recording stopped once while driving in a mountain road because of the sun, at summer. I recommend the phone and a case because I broke the display with a small drop (search for my post for further explanation xD). The camera is very good for the use I give to it
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Im completely happy with the phone performance, bought in November 2015 (just when launched). Battery still good, if I dont game too much, almost two days depending if at home with wifi or at work with 4g and elevators (loss of signal) several times a day, but always at least the whole day. It heats only with 3D heavy games or during the summer if you use it a lot outside, but always usable. Video recording stopped once while driving in a mountain road because of the sun, at summer. I recommend the phone and a case because I broke the display with a small drop (search for my post for further explanation xD). The camera is very good for the use I give to it
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Thank you for the info. Sounds good I will probably be going forward with the purchase. Only thing that gets me worried is using the phone outside in the sun as you said it's gets hot. I live in vegas so it gets pretty got here lol but luckily it's already cooling down so i should be okay.

I too am considering buying it..what is the screen on time ? And how fast is the charging and fingerprint reader ?

The Screen on time, today for example has been 3 hours and 3/4 of the battery gone, but I've moving in the car and using 4G data a lot, so other days it is higher (I usually don't look a it, I'm happy just if the phone reaches the end of the day after high usage because I don't watch a lot of videos or movies, but I turn the screen on a lot of times due to instant messaging). I don't like the screen very dim during the day and I've it always above 50%, so it last less for me than for others I think.
The charging is fast, it comes with a fast charger but not the fastest available, and the battery comes to 60-70% quite fast (I haven't measured the time taken), and from 90-100 it takes a lot more time, but I think this is normal for such big batteries. When charging from low percentages, you have the feeling that it is going quite fast.
The fingerprint reader works really cool and fast, as long as you have it clean and no sweat in the fingers. In summer I've had to clean the sensor (with the t-shirt for example) and/or the fingers due to high temperatures (above 40º in Spain a lot of days), but in a more "normal" wheather and environment, it usually works always at first try, I'm very satisfied with it.
About getting hot, it does but the phone always works and you only feel it very very warm after gaming with heavy games for a while. For the normal use of the phone usually it is comfortable to use althoug you can feel it warm if using Google Maps or similar things outside when its hot. The heat usually can be felt in the back, and if you hold it on the sides you don't notice. I sense the screen hot when using a racing game called Real Racing 3, and as you control the game with the fingers if you desire, after a while the screen becomes very hot. No other scenario have made the phone really hot.
I've to add that the screen is very very nice, the definition and max brightness are superb. When viewing 4K content, if you compare with the same image at 1080, you notice the details, and 4K video seems complete real. I recommend watching this sample http://4ksamples.com/4k-chimei-inn-60mbps/.
The sound is very cool, when on noisy enviroments the volume it is not very high, but the double front speakers sounds very nice even for music (no metal can sound).
I hope I've answered you doubts

My SOT is around 5 hours, but that's with screen dimmed.
I don't think it's terrible, but it's short, but I'm always considering this phone being 4k sceen, we have no choice.
It's just good feeling to have 4k view capable phone. It could also be smallest 4k screen now?

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I've to add that the screen is very very nice, the definition and max brightness are superb. When viewing 4K content, if you compare with the same image at 1080, you notice the details, and 4K video seems complete real. I recommend watching this sample http://4ksamples.com/4k-chimei-inn-60mbps/.
I hope I've answered you doubts
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Do you feel screen is better than a regular full HD screen when comparing with other phones?

I can compare it with a S6 and S7 because of relatives that have those and I don't see differences (apart from excessive colors of Samsung phones). You won't be able to see any pixel, the angles are almost 180º and the brigthness is very high (only in the street with a high sun you will have problems, like any other phone) and the low limit for the night is great also.

Question S21fe - Green glow

Hello, is the phone still having problems with the green screen in low brightness? As is the case with the s20 series?

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Hello, is the phone still having problems with the green screen in low brightness? As is the case with the s20 series?
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I did not encounter a problem like that (snap version).

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I did not encounter a problem like that (snap version).
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and what does the issue of overheating look like? instagram, browser, yt?

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and what does the issue of overheating look like? instagram, browser, yt?
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no overheating problems...
It is true that i have debloated it, and have most apps on deep sleep (except mail and few other), so i limit background activity.
I also use "galaxy max hz" mod so i can force low refresh rate and batery saving on screen off.

Thank you very much. I'm thinking about s20fe and 21fe. However, when I watch yt and see what are the temperatures or the results on the battery, it rejects me a bit

I understand. I moved to s21 FE from upper mid range galaxy a8 (2018). I i would say that battery efficiency on s21 fe is a bit lacking. I am not a power user so with the old phone i needed to charge oproximately every 5 days. With this one optimised as best i could i reach 3 days, maybe 4. I know that it has bigger screen and faster refresh rate and those things impact battery life a lot, but i would say that snap 888 has an inefficient standby or the low power cores are still too power hungry for my taste...
Don't get me wrong i love the phone, and am happy that i switched. The main reason for me was getting an upper range camera sistem at a low as possible price, and i bought the phone through a samsung trade in program. Also in europe it is realy hard to get any galaxy phone with a snapdragon procesor...
Hope this helps you in deciding.