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Guys, please. The point of my thread is NOT whether the root claim is a lie or not. I am asking some questions about what can be done with it regardless, so please, if anyone knows inform me, but don't post guessing games of whether it is real or not.
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So the Note 4 is actually my first device I've owned where I didn't have an unlocked bootloader. Because of this, I'm not sure whether all the modifications I've made to my past devices were enabled because I had an unlocked bootloader.
The only thing I know we can't do is install custom roms.
So... that leaves me with a question. What kinds of things can we do with just root?
On top of that, I have some specific questions (Might think of more later) :
Will root let us be able to install the auto-brightness control that the international version of the Note 4 has? If you don't know, you're able to adjust how low or high the auto brightness stages will go without turning off auto brightness on that version. It's so much nicer than having to turn off auto, adjust to where you want, and then remember to turn auto back on when you leave that environment.
Can we remap the capacitive multitask button to be a menu button instead? And to remap long-pressing that button to be the new multitask?
Thanks!
There's safe strap which allows us to have custom roms.
droidx2.3.3 said:
There's safe strap which allows us to have custom roms.
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did they get a safestrap to work?
I'm assuming that they will. I suppose I should have worded my post different.
So it should have said, if we get safe strap we will be able to have custom roms.
It's not quiet the same as a unlocked bootloader though.
We have root?
what proof?
Well regardless of whether we have custom roms through some other means, I'd personally most interested in those 2 questions I stated. That's honestly the things I want most with root at the moment.
Where is root?
Root has not been proven yet. Patience. Everyone is jumping the gun here.
Guys, please. The point of my thread is NOT whether the root claim is a lie or not. I am asking some questions about what can be done with it regardless, so please, if anyone knows inform me, but don't post guessing games of whether it is real or not.
Hobox10 said:
Guys, please. The point of my thread is NOT whether the root claim is a lie or not. I am asking some questions about what can be done with it regardless, so please, if anyone knows inform me, but don't post guessing games of whether it is real or not.
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My main and only real reason for wanting root is for Ad Block ESPECIALLY in youtube. I hate those commercials... You can install Ad Block without root (as I just did) but it just doesn't seem to work as well as it did with my last rooted device... Although I'm not sure if this is the app devs getting more creative with how they get ads through or possibly even a Lollipop things...
The other main reason was so Rocket Player could delete podcasts I had already listened too.. That was resolved with the Lollipop update so I am good to go there...
Some really like Root for Titanium backup to back up ALL app data and settings... This was handy for me back when I was flashing ROMS all the time but without that capability I don't see myself having much of a need for that since the games I play store the data in the Android folder which I don't need root to copy/backup
Another great thing that has come about the last year or so is Xposed modules.. These give you just about ANY customization you could possibly want but of course in order to use them you will also need root..... There is a great app that pulls the commercials from Youtube which I will be checking out if Root is actually here... As I said before I hate hate the ads... Not that I don't buy FULL versions of some of the apps if I find them useful because I do... But with things like Chrome and Youtube I really miss the option of them being disabled... Yes I know Firefox has this built in but I like y Chrome for the ability to send pages from my PC to my phone with the click of a button....
I find that the Note 4 with the help of Apex PRO has helped me gain many of the features I once wanted Root and the ability to flash things for... So now I am just looking for the ability to kill some ads....
There are also a few apps I would delete or freeze with Titanium Backup once we had that option... Turning them off is nice but I want the space back...
dr12volt1338 said:
My main and only real reason for wanting root is for Ad Block ESPECIALLY in youtube. I hate those commercials... You can install Ad Block without root (as I just did) but it just doesn't seem to work as well as it did with my last rooted device... Although I'm not sure if this is the app devs getting more creative with how they get ads through or possibly even a Lollipop things...
The other main reason was so Rocket Player could delete podcasts I had already listened too.. That was resolved with the Lollipop update so I am good to go there...
Some really like Root for Titanium backup to back up ALL app data and settings... This was handy for me back when I was flashing ROMS all the time but without that capability I don't see myself having much of a need for that since the games I play store the data in the Android folder which I don't need root to copy/backup
Another great thing that has come about the last year or so is Xposed modules.. These give you just about ANY customization you could possibly want but of course in order to use them you will also need root..... There is a great app that pulls the commercials from Youtube which I will be checking out if Root is actually here... As I said before I hate hate the ads... Not that I don't buy FULL versions of some of the apps if I find them useful because I do... But with things like Chrome and Youtube I really miss the option of them being disabled... Yes I know Firefox has this built in but I like y Chrome for the ability to send pages from my PC to my phone with the click of a button....
I find that the Note 4 with the help of Apex PRO has helped me gain many of the features I once wanted Root and the ability to flash things for... So now I am just looking for the ability to kill some ads....
There are also a few apps I would delete or freeze with Titanium Backup once we had that option... Turning them off is nice but I want the space back...
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I'm with you on the adblock and it's one of the things I've been looking forward too also. The ads mobile gets is ridiculous, I'm fine with them on most websites on the computer but the mobile versions really kill some things.
Xposed is an interesting topic to me, I've never had any experience with it since I've never really needed it. It will be fun to see what they do. Thanks for the info.
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Do you know if they release their root tool now? If they do, where is it?
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Do you know if they release their root tool now? If they do, where is it?
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The tool is not out. He's asking what can be done with root.
I want to delete all bloatware, install multi window for all apps, adblock, mxtube downloader, and xposed for 4.4.4
Sent from my SM-N915V
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The tool is not out. He's asking what can be done with root.
I want to delete all bloatware, install multi window for all apps, adblock, mxtube downloader, and xposed for 4.4.4
Sent from my SM-N915V
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Good point I forgot about being able to add multi window for non supported apps... It would be really nice for Tapatalk to support it
Ooh multi-window on almost any app sounds awesome!
you can remove pre-loaded carrier apps that cause sluggish instability. improve battery life, and speed up application start times.
Mw-pen app enabler, ive been using since i got this phone. Let's you add apps to multi window. Should work for non system apps. It's worked for me. been my solution until we get root, if we do.
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you can remove pre-loaded carrier apps that cause sluggish instability. improve battery life, and speed up application start times.
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Just an fyi: You can disable bloatware without having root by using @gatesjunior's Debloater utility. Here's the link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2998294
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The tool is not out. He's asking what can be done with root.
I want to delete all bloatware, install multi window for all apps, adblock, mxtube downloader, and xposed for 4.4.4
Sent from my SM-N915V
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Daciple said:
Mw-pen app enabler, ive been using since i got this phone. Let's you add apps to multi window. Should work for non system apps. It's worked for me. been my solution until we get root, if we do.
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I had no idea that existed or was possible without root. Great find!
For those of us not willing to root right now, I have to say using package disabler to turn off CleanMaster, S-Voice and S-Finder have done wonders in the last 48 hours for making this phone just as responsive as my 2014 Moto X was. I've been close to biting the bullet and trading it in for almost anything else, and this may have changed my mind.
Where would I find package disabler
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Play store!
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Play store!
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samsung made the developer to remove it
now I can't find it anywhere
fXck samsung
Try googling it and selecting the play store link..I was able to download it that way....
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Wow I can confirm. Worked fine before and now it doesn't work. Doesn't even let me active the pack disabled anymore. Smh.
What do I do about the apps I disabled?
Doesn't work, License server error before program starts.
Also very dangerous tool as it needs internet to work.
If you by misstake disable something that has to do with connectivity you will end up having to do a factory restore !!
If you by misstake installed this crap onto your device, you might notice that the de-install option is greyed out, don't panic.
Go into the security section and de-select the app under device administrators.
Now it can be de-installed.
Here's a much better and SAFER alternative:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
BTW,
These are the 3 packages that i needed to disable to kill OTA on my S5 with KitKat 4.4.2:
com.wssyncmldm
com.sec.android.fotaclient com.policydm
com.policydm
http://apk-paradise.com/package-disabler-pro-v2-8/
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hxxp://apk-paradise.com/package-disabler-pro-v2-8/
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Doesn't work and useless unless the internet dependency is removed.
Usually these kind of apps are being offered for free at XDA forums, but there's always somebody who's trying to
turn it into a buck, totally disregarding the people who d/l this and softbrick their phones...
Also the whole purpose and usefulness of the tool is defeated if you need internet access to d/l and use it.
Reason being the phone fills up with crap, the same second you connect it to the internet the first time.
You want to run a tool like this before, not giving the phone a chance to fill up with junk/updates.
Especially important is this in regards to OTA.
Disabled junk is still junk eating precious space on your mobile.
Package Disabler works fine on S6 5.1.1 Stock without root
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Doesn't work and useless unless the internet dependency is removed.
Usually these kind of apps are being offered for free at XDA forums, but there's always somebody who's trying to
turn it into a buck, totally disregarding the people who d/l this and softbrick their phones...
Also the whole purpose and usefulness of the tool is defeated if you need internet access to d/l and use it.
Reason being the phone fills up with crap, the same second you connect it to the internet the first time.
You want to run a tool like this before, not giving the phone a chance to fill up with junk/updates.
Especially important is this in regards to OTA.
Disabled junk is still junk eating precious space on your mobile.
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It only needs internet connection the first time by instaling procees, because the licence activation only works with internet. Once its activated it Work´s well
The server is very busy so it could mbe that you have to wait till all is fine again.
Im using it with my Galaxy S6 Stock not rooted 5.1.1 and i have disabled most of the system app
It´s easy to use and easy no enable again
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I am not sure what you are saying about this app is correct! in Android please tell me which app do not require internet, and accessing internet is dangers then all apps in play store is dangerous. Debloater do not give any recombination for which packages to disable, if you disable system packages with Debloater the only option left is factory reset (I have to factory reset my Note 3 after using Debloater)
Pacakge Disabler is back
I found the paid version is back and working search for package disabler pro on the play store.
so any list of things we can disable to speed up this phone, touchwiz is really laggy after a few minutes of use
Disable bloatware option in package disabler
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so any list of things we can disable to speed up this phone, touchwiz is really laggy after a few minutes of use
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Package disabler has a disabler all bloatware option . it will remove 100+ apps . that you did not know existed on your device.
There is also coding to identify bloatwares. It will double your speed.
developerdan said:
Package disabler has a disabler all bloatware option . it will remove 100+ apps . that you did not know existed on your device.
There is also coding to identify bloatwares. It will double your speed.
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i haven't root my S6 edge and don't really want to yet. so i was looking for something like this.
yeah i debloated it with a few app i actually use, great thing about this app is that it shows you which app are "confirmed" safe to deblot. it actually debloted automatically like 140things from my system.
where can i get those codes i don't se it in any of the setting?
i was about to give up on touchwiz and this galaxy s6, since i got it touchwiz has been hell with the reloading of widget and icons, clear cache and data help but a few hours later the slowness would returned ( i already exchanged devices 4 times for other reason and all of them had the same problem), also phone would get hot, sometimes pretty darn hot.
This app has solve all problem (also a different launcher like nova solved it) but using touchwiz and this debloted app have giving me more battery life, super fast device, no more reloading, and it never heats up.
i for one would like to have a device from samsung that i would not have to deblot to get a lag free experience. i believe the only device i have never root from samsung was the note 3 which ran like a champ always.
dobbelina said:
Doesn't work, License server error before program starts.
Also very dangerous tool as it needs internet to work.
If you by misstake disable something that has to do with connectivity you will end up having to do a factory restore !!
If you by misstake installed this crap onto your device, you might notice that the de-install option is greyed out, don't panic.
Go into the security section and de-select the app under device administrators.
Now it can be de-installed.
Here's a much better and SAFER alternative:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
BTW,
These are the 3 packages that i needed to disable to kill OTA on my S5 with KitKat 4.4.2:
com.wssyncmldm
com.sec.android.fotaclient com.policydm
com.policydm
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About time someone thought about security. That program is being used a lot on the note 5 forum. I find it to be potentially a huge security issue. I initially downloaded it and installed. I later that about it. I just went ahead and factory reset. It has way too much access imo.
can i use it to disable the my t-mobile app ?
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can i use it to disable the my t-mobile app ?
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Yeah you can.
Side note: I noticed it says knox is bloat.. But when I disable it causes my phone to bug out. Anyone else have similar issues?
Hey Guys,
I currently have the international (N9300) version of the Note 7. Luckily I don't have any carrier bloatware to worry about.
But I was wondering if anyone has a list? Or could share a screen shot of what SAMSUNG BLOATWARE they have disabled with Package Disabler without having any problems?
My main goal would be to speed up performance / increase batter lift by disabling un-needed stuff from running in the BG. Just dont want to accidentally disable something that will screw up my phone, or get me stuck in a boot loop etc.
Thanks!
Is there any evidence that bloatware (whether from the manufacturer or the carrier) has any noticeable effect on performance? If not, de-bloating seems like a lot of trouble to go to for no real benefit.
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Is there any evidence that bloatware (whether from the manufacturer or the carrier) has any noticeable effect on performance? If not, de-bloating seems like a lot of trouble to go to for no real benefit.
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I think it made a difference in earlier versions of the Samsung phones. In the past, I would aggressively debloating my phones. With the modern versions, and OS features for shutting down apps that are not in use, including Touchwiz's aggressive RAM management, I don't think debloating has a noticeable effect. I disable any unused apps to get rid of visual clutter, I don't go beyond that. YMMV
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I think it made a difference in earlier versions of the Samsung phones.
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Yup, there was a time when debloating helped.
With the modern versions, and OS features for shutting down apps that are not in use, including Touchwiz's aggressive RAM management, I don't think debloating has a noticeable effect. I disable any unused apps to get rid of visual clutter, I don't go beyond that.
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Just curious--what visual clutter do you mean? In the apps drawer?
You also get bothered with update messages for apps that you don't use. Much better to turn them off.
Better to rid yourself of them. Some of them use data in the background even when you have never opened them, all of them burn bandwidth updating, some will send unwanted notifications, some have various reporting you might not want going on, some will light off location burning battery.
The old saying is if you don't use it, lose it. It still applies.
I like to remove system apps that I don't use like email or attn and other stuff... package disabler pro is a good app but paid... you can connect your phone to a pc and use debloater that can be found here in xda
Thanks for all the replies! But can someone please post a list of what they feel is good to be disabled?
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Just curious--what visual clutter do you mean? In the apps drawer?
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Yes. Primarily the apps drawer.
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Thanks for all the replies! But can someone please post a list of what they feel is good to be disabled?
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Agreed although I recalled mine when I get it back would be nice to know what is safe for the note 7 as most auto de bloater apps disable stuff that you don't want disabled. Would be good to have a proper list of all known safe bloatware and small description of each.
Hey Guys,
Not sure if it is the right forum - however I usually make a script to delete the "bloat" off my devices and flash it in TWRP after I flash a ROM. For some reason though this isn't working with the PXL. The script worked fine on my 6P however files aren't being deleted on PXL.
I install it via TWRP and it runs okay (no errors), however none of the files get deleted.
Ideas?
Edit: Fixed.
Instead of "delete /system/app/BasicDreams" it needed to be /system/system/app/BasicDreams etc
I had to change SElinux to permissive before I could debloat stock Pixel XL system apps.
I've got a "Titanium Backup" thread for Pixel with the commands I used to do this, if you need it still.
Otherwise many system debloat would cause issues for me by crashing various apps I did not even touch.
What bloat?
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What bloat?
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Anything you don't want or don't use.
I removed about 36 items from stock image.
Got rid of all the Verizon crap, stock email, web browser, folder browser, etc.
Bunches of things.
What's bloat to one person may be necessity to another. Some can't live without Verizon Messages+ for example. Some like Chrome best, etc. I think Google has attached itself into our lives worse than Apple. I sure can live without those live wallpaper pickers, or Google keyboard plugins, or like you said, about 30 of those things. I froze them all. Uggghh!
Just remembered that I took screenshots the last time I debloated stock Pixel XL ROM.
Here are all the apps I froze just prior to deleting them.
I like to freeze things before removing, then use the phone a bit to make sure nothing essential was removed.
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Just remembered that I took screenshots the last time I debloated stock Pixel XL ROM.
Here are all the apps I froze just prior to deleting them.
I like to freeze things before removing, then use the phone a bit to make sure nothing essential was removed.
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Thanks, I deleted basically all the same things. Also deleted all notification / ringtone etc
Has this improved performance?
I would have expected more activity here......
seems like people are happy with their devices out of the box... so there isn't much need for mods, custom ROMs and stuff like this?!
I think the modding scene died as stock Android progressively chipped away at the best major features of custom ROMs. Better privacy controls, power savings, night & dark modes, quick tiles. Those were pretty much the biggest selling points for me. The only other custom ROM features people liked were PIE controls and and silly animations.
And with the Pixel you'd lose so many of the Pixel extras if you flash a custom ROM. (recognizing music, probably live transcribe, the nifty Live Wallpapers, etc.
I've been occasionaly racking my brain to figure out if there are any value-added features left to pursue. Say, for LineageOS- they could replace all of the stock audio files with some high quality and very unique sounds, get some interesting wallpapers (a fresh coat of paint.), improve the stock launcher, bundle F-Droid, and offer Google Cloud Messaging and location svcs alternatives. They did/are add(ing) an online backup solution called SeedVault.
It's a difficult thing to think of any original ideas. I also have this per-app fuzzy location idea I submitted to Google issue tracker (which iPhone also came up with recently. I think they call it Approximate Location.)
It used to be more exciting to be a flashaholic but every time I look at the custom ROMs these days they don't "do anything" for me. More minuses than pluses.
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And with the Pixel you'd lose so many of the Pixel extras if you flash a custom ROM. (recognizing music, probably live transcribe, the nifty Live Wallpapers, etc.
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I have all these working on derpfest but I generally agree with your point. Im mostly modded for some personal QoL changes that might not be worth having SafetyNet broken, im weighing it atm
I rooted for about 2 weeks until a security update happened. It's such a pain to update without TWRP, I went back to stock. Only thing I miss with root is backing up data with Swift BU. There are a few other things that are nice with root, but not necessary (mainly custom accent colors, and fonts). I know I'd love to be back on Derpfest, but until a stable TWRP is available, sticking with stock.
Just got mine. Love it. Going to enjoy the stock pixel before playing around with root and roms.
Bought the Pixel 4a precisely to avoid all this root and modding stress. And I was not disappointed, everything runs perfectly.
My last 2 phones ran stock with root. This phone is no exception. I'd be on a custom ROM if the stock wasn't AOSP (eg. Samsung, MIUI, etc). Magisk fixes up any annoyances.
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I rooted for about 2 weeks until a security update happened. It's such a pain to update without TWRP, I went back to stock. Only thing I miss with root is backing up data with Swift BU. There are a few other things that are nice with root, but not necessary (mainly custom accent colors, and fonts). I know I'd love to be back on Derpfest, but until a stable TWRP is available, sticking with stock.
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Hi,
I just bought a Pixel 4a, downgraded it to A10 and install Magisk and TWRP.
It seems to be running fine so far (1 week).
But I am concerned with your comment above about a security update breaking your root.
Is this right?
If so, then is there a way to stop auto-security updates?
JohnC said:
Hi,
I just bought a Pixel 4a, downgraded it to A10 and install Magisk and TWRP.
It seems to be running fine so far (1 week).
But I am concerned with your comment above about a security update breaking your root.
Is this right?
If so, then is there a way to stop auto-security updates?
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Yes it is recommended to turn off auto updates. Go to developers settings > turn off automatic system updates
Royalfox said:
Yes it is recommended to turn off auto updates. Go to developers settings > turn off automatic system updates
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Will do. Thank you.
a1291762 said:
Magisk fixes up any annoyances.
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What Magisk modules would you recommend?
I am coming from a Samsung S4 and I liked that the built-in Samsung apps each had a different material color header (Phone - green, Email - blue, SMS - Yellow), but the phone app and message app are just mainly all-white screen apps. But this gripe is theme related.
What other non-theme issues have you used magisk to fix?
I would still root for privacy and security reasons, but I can see why the regular schmegular joe wouldnt need to care. Pixel4a is a great phone stock or modded.
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I am coming from a Samsung S4
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I think you and I have different ideas about what needs to be fixed. Adding busybox, updated tz files, removing system from apps so they can be suspended in the background. That's the kind of stuff I have.
a1291762 said:
I think you and I have different ideas about what needs to be fixed. Adding busybox, updated tz files, removing system from apps so they can be suspended in the background. That's the kind of stuff I have.
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I meant like what modules/apps do you find indispensable?
I am using XprivacyLUA, +AFwall Titanium Backup, Autostarts and Gravitybox to keep privacy up and to keep running apps to a minimum.
I'm pretty happy that I was able to find a phone that I could install the apps needed to get the control over it as I wanted.
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removing system from apps so they can be suspended in the background.
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I know how to freeze apps using TB, which totally disables them. But it sounds like you are just removing their background running permission, but still let them run when you want.
How do you do that?
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I know how to freeze apps using TB, which totally disables them. But it sounds like you are just removing their background running permission, but still let them run when you want.
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Android has the ability to block any app from running in the background. It's a battery saving feature. But you can't do it to system apps. The primary system app I've seen abusing this inability to block it is Google maps. It works just fine as a user-installed app. Magisk debloat apps (I used terminal debloater) remove system apps (without actually having to modify /system) allowing you to install them as user apps.
Another easy way is to grab the system app apk from /system/app or priv-app and copy it somewhere, delete original folder, reinstall the apk, this time it will be a user app with the original your phone used rather than an online dl
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I know how to freeze apps using TB, which totally disables them. But it sounds like you are just removing their background running permission, but still let them run when you want.
How do you do that?
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jawz101 said:
I think the modding scene died as stock Android progressively chipped away at the best major features of custom ROMs. Better privacy controls, power savings, night & dark modes, quick tiles. Those were pretty much the biggest selling points for me. The only other custom ROM features people liked were PIE controls and and silly animations.
And with the Pixel you'd lose so many of the Pixel extras if you flash a custom ROM. (recognizing music, probably live transcribe, the nifty Live Wallpapers, etc.
I've been occasionaly racking my brain to figure out if there are any value-added features left to pursue. Say, for LineageOS- they could replace all of the stock audio files with some high quality and very unique sounds, get some interesting wallpapers (a fresh coat of paint.), improve the stock launcher, bundle F-Droid, and offer Google Cloud Messaging and location svcs alternatives. They did/are add(ing) an online backup solution called SeedVault.
It's a difficult thing to think of any original ideas. I also have this per-app fuzzy location idea I submitted to Google issue tracker (which iPhone also came up with recently. I think they call it Approximate Location.)
It used to be more exciting to be a flashaholic but every time I look at the custom ROMs these days they don't "do anything" for me. More minuses than pluses.
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Great post,cause i was thinking the same
I just picked up Pixel 4a this month and I am really wondering if I wanna be rooting or not. I previously have always rooted my devices (had Essential Phone as my last one). Root gets me AdAway (adblock), Swift Theme Installer and YouTube Vanced working but thats all really. Trying to weigh up if its really worth it with the Pixel 4a... original plan was to run it stock with root but now not so sure.