So I've had my Note 2 for a year, I've had iPhones for the past 3-4 years and jail-broken no problem, but I keep hearing about bricking which on iPhone was basically impossible so I want to do this right. What is the safest way to root IOS so I can use a Six-Axis\PS3 controller blue-tooth wise? The on the go cable failed randomly and no longer works, and I can't even set custom profiles while millions of others are. Anyway, just trying to figure out the safest way to root my Note 2. Honestly, ever since I've gotten it iPhone has been a thing of the past until I got to this junction where everyone is like "if you mess up you are screwed" but I am by no means an amateur at flashing\modding. Thanks in advance!
shiftydurpirate said:
...... "if you mess up you are screwed" but I am by no means an amateur at flashing\modding. Thanks in advance!
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There really is no danger in rooting aside from voiding warranty (unless you live in Europe where it is legal, read more here Thread about EU directive ), you do not change kernel or modem or mess with recovery. The easiest method I think is here Framaroot
Look at dr.ketan thread for a complete guide to ROOT ->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1930418
After learning that once we flash a rom, we are 100% screwed if we ever need to use our warranty. The only reason I bought the T-Mobile Note 3 was because of the unlocked boot loader, and now I learn that if my device ever breaks, Samsung will not honor it? There has to be a way, or I'm sure others wouldn't be dropping $700 so easily on this device.
What do we do if we develop a genuine issue with this phone after we have flashed roms on it and restored to stock?
Edit: in triangle away my counter reads: 0 and binary: custom
You did read about your options before you bought the phone right? There are other threads where this is/has been discussed. There are options.
krelvinaz said:
You did read about your options before you bought the phone right? There are other threads where this is/has been discussed. There are options.
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Yes, there has been, however, most of those threads are full of useless clutter that doesn't contribute anything. I have searched, and have been a member of these forums for a long time, and know how they work. I don't see any options for those who have already flashed a custom rom and want to maintain their warranties.
MattMJB0188 said:
Yes, there has been, however, most of those threads are full of useless clutter that doesn't contribute anything. I have searched, and have been a member of these forums for a long time, and know how they work. I don't see any options for those who have already flashed a custom rom and want to maintain their warranties.
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If your phone does not power on who can say it has been need with. You have a year with tmobile. Never had an issue with them covering it.
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MattMJB0188 said:
Yes, there has been, however, most of those threads are full of useless clutter that doesn't contribute anything. I have searched, and have been a member of these forums for a long time, and know how they work. I don't see any options for those who have already flashed a custom rom and want to maintain their warranties.
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Then you already know the answer.
If you are looking for Samsung, T-Mobile or any other provider to come out and say, Yes, if you root and flash your phone it will still have Warranty Coverage.... it won't happen! They are never going to say that. All of them have listed policies that say rooting = no warranty.
The Knox flag might bring in a new element to this, it shouldn't but could.
The reality however depends on how you deal with it, like stated above, I have personally never had a warranty issue if there is a hardware problem with my phones regardless to rooting it. For the first year, you should be dealing with T-Mobile for issues. But a lot depends on how you deal with it.
Options:
Have hardware replacement warranty (Provider, SquareTrade etc)
Be smart when you call for support, the word Rooted, Different Rom is not in the conversation.
Rooting, flashing ROMs is not something 99.5% of the users of the devices do. Most have no idea what it is, any any idea that it exists. So for most users of devices, this is a non-issue.
krelvinaz said:
Then you already know the answer.
If you are looking for Samsung, T-Mobile or any other provider to come out and say, Yes, if you root and flash your phone it will still have Warranty Coverage.... it won't happen! They are never going to say that. All of them have listed policies that say rooting = no warranty.
The Knox flag might bring in a new element to this, it shouldn't but could.
The reality however depends on how you deal with it, like stated above, I have personally never had a warranty issue if there is a hardware problem with my phones regardless to rooting it. For the first year, you should be dealing with T-Mobile for issues. But a lot depends on how you deal with it.
Options:
Have hardware replacement warranty (Provider, SquareTrade etc)
Be smart when you call for support, the word Rooted, Different Rom is not in the conversation.
Rooting, flashing ROMs is not something 99.5% of the users of the devices do. Most have no idea what it is, any any idea that it exists. So for most users of devices, this is a non-issue.
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I am not a current T-mobile customer, so I doubt they'd cover it if I'm not one of their customers with an insurance plan. Still, no guarantees if they do that I'd still still be covered since I flashed a rom.
Is SquareTrade really worth the $125 for two years? Even then, would they cover it if I flashed a rom if something happened?
Boy do I miss the days of the Galaxy S2 and S3 where none of this even came into question.
A bit OT, but one reason why I liked staying with Sprint was because they did cover my phone regardless of root. Too bad their network sucks.
See when u said u bought the T-Mobile phone I was under the impression u had T-Mobile service. It a chance you took so just read and ask questions before you flash anything that might brick ur phone. If you bought the phone from the mobile they must issue 1 year warranty regardless. But it will be a battle for you
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See when u said u bought the T-Mobile phone I was under the impression u had T-Mobile service. It a chance you took so just read and ask questions before you flash anything that might brick ur phone. If you bought the phone from the mobile they must issue 1 year warranty regardless. But it will be a battle for you
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I've been flashing roms on Samsung devices for over two years now, so I'm pretty experienced and haven't bricked a phone yet. My concerns are the device malfunctioning on its own or developing a hardware issue. Assuming flashing a custom rom had nothing to do with it, would Samsung still honor the warranty?
This really makes me want to return the device mwhy did they have to do this?
MattMJB0188 said:
I've been flashing roms on Samsung devices for over two years now, so I'm pretty experienced and haven't bricked a phone yet. My concerns are the device malfunctioning on its own or developing a hardware issue. Assuming flashing a custom rom had nothing to do with it, would Samsung still honor the warranty?
This really makes me want to return the device mwhy did they have to do this?
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Samsung will not honor it if it powers up and shows a mod has been done. But if phone does not turn on then as long as no physical harm has been done they have to warranty it
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I thought I had seen a thread about this but I can't find it anywhere (so it was probably on another device's forums somewhere)..
So the question is: What does tripping knox break other then voiding warranty?
I thought I read somewhere that it stopped the IR or HDMI stuff from working? (or was it just the WatchOn app?)
I have also read somewhere that it breaks the Samsung Hub and/or Play Movies? (but I believe that was solved?)
not that i'm too worried about these apps not working.. but it would be handy to have list of things no longer working with the bit set to 0x1
Is there any truth to these things? Or am I worried about nothing?
(I'm seriously thinking about a P600, if rooting/flashing (even stock FW) doesnt break "major" functionality)
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So the question is: What does tripping knox break other then voiding warranty?
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+1, I have the same question.
Together with the question that every other change can be revoke by flashing a stock ROM. I need answers to both before I start building a custom ROM
PS. Normally this should only break KNOX self and nothing else (see here for more infos). But who knows...
Elim said:
+1, I have the same question.
Together with the question that every other change can be revoke by flashing a stock ROM. I need answers to both before I start building a custom ROM
PS. Normally this should only break KNOX self and nothing else (see here for more infos). But who knows...
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The question is a really fundamental great one as needs an answer so that users can make an inform choice to do some custom work on their tablet or just stay stock. Or maybe start developing work arounds for the problems. I have already tripped the KNOX on my note and now wondering have I really messed up. Although Samsung enjoys the profit benefits of selling phones and tablets that can be modified with no downside to them as it voids your warranty. Now I am suspicious if with the new Note 10.1 Samsung may have changed the game rules now that they are popular and selling products like gangbusters. I had the old Note 10.1 and rooted it without any problems, so I went ahead and rooted this one ASAP assuming the rules where the same, are they the same? Well having second thoughts despite I have a pretty heavy history of programming and electronic hardware experience. So I am all in for this thread!
Except your warranty, nothing.
Please forgive the catchy title as well as my ignorance as while I have been around computing stuff for a long time, am kinda new to the Android stuff.
For me, I picked up a Samsung Strat II this summer, an have gotten a bit used to that, so just grabbed a 8.4 for Xmas as I have more uses for that, an would like to get that running as best as possible.
For the Strat II, I did root it with Towelroot an with no noticeable side effects, so understand the hows an why's of this.
But in reading the forums for the 8.4, have been seeing this thing about tripping the Knox from messing with the OS in anyways in regard to rooting.
From the little bit I have read, it seems to be some kind of root tripper, an would assume that voids any warranties too, but was wondering if some could explain it a bit more to me, an perhaps answer the following questions.
1: Does it in fact trip from a root an does this void the warranty?
2: This does not seem to be part of my Strat II OS, so is this something newer?
3: If indeed it is just a warranty thing, do I care once it's out of warranty? Which I think is one year?
4: Is it just a OS recording thing, or does it mess up the tab in anyway, software or hardware wise?
5: From what I have read, once tripped, its permanent an there is no way to reverse that even from a complete system reset, so is that true?
So those are just a few at the moment an again, please forgive my ignorance, but hey, if you don't ask, you don't learn.
Thanks for any help
if you used towelroot then you probably didn't trip knox, knox will trip if you use other root methods like cf-auto-root or flash custom firmwares like CM.
knox is a hardware fuse (at least on the snapdragon cpu) that once tripped cannot be undone as it actually modifies hardware kind-of like burning out a circuit and Samsung checks the flag to see if the device was tampered with and it will void warranty (though they may or may not make an exception depending on the issue like if something was hardware related they might still honor it).
TowelRoot uses a kernel exploit and doesn't mess with bootloaders ..etc , thus keeping knox happy
Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
WBFAir said:
Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
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Towelroot only worked on ND1~ND3 Firmware on the tab pro 8.4 then the kernel was patched on newer firmwares--- so if your tab has a newer firmware it won't work anymore without some headaches.
Basically you need to flash the Kernel (not the full firmware) from ND3 root the tab with towelroot then swap the kernel back to the current firmware, and knox should stay at 0x0 .
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
WBFAir said:
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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It could be worse, the efuse(s) can be used for all kinds of things like completely locking the bootloader, luckily Samsung didn't go to that extreme
Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
Basically I tried the unit I have for just a little bit as I wanted to setup the basics before Xmas an make sure it would work with my WiFi, but all in all the unit ran pretty nice with just the way it was.
So I really even wonder if I want to root it, an then with this Knox thing, its deterring me even more.
But then too, I know some apps just really require it.
So kinda torn.
But if it does something else negative to the device other then what we have already discussed, might just leave it alone for the time being.
Btw, thanks for all the help so far.
There are benefits to rooting like being able to use your sdcard properly , I rooted mine, never tripped knox,
As with all rooting It's a risk if you do trip it it will probably void warranty, it could also brick your device if something goes wrong.
Another common problem I have been seeing is random reboots for people who have a tripped knox flag (this is due to software on the tablet that checks knox and somehow causes reboots, you can disable the software but still troublesome and doesn't work for everyone).
If you really want to root I would go with towelroot method, its the safest and less risk for triggering any knox problems.
you basically update your firmware to the latest version first, extract the kernel from the tar file, download the ND3 firmware extract the kernel, tar the kernel's , flash the nd3 kernel with odin, boot-up , towelroot, install supersu , reboot - switch back to download mode and re-flash the latest kernel)
Read through this thread too, some people have prepared standalone kernels to use if you don't want to do it yourself. you probably need ND3 (or ND1 will work) and K1 if your tablet is the XAR model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786800
^ND1 kernel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...320xar1ank1-extracted-stock-firmware-t2954549
^K1 kernel
Thanks greatly otyg, will have to look into this more after the holidays, an thanks so much for the info
WBFAir said:
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
WBFAir said:
Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
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For this device, once you trip Knox you can no longer update firmware through the traditional methods, you have to do it manually through something like Odin or a custom recovery, as far as I can tell. Samsung recognizes that you've "modified" your device and will not let you update through official channels.
gidal said:
Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
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I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised, unfortunately it does effect normal users like us who like to tweak the devices a little .
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I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised
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This is pretty much true, in my understanding. KNOX is aimed at enterprise users (company provided devices) as a means of ensuring the devices are kept in an "approved" or "compliant" configuration. Once a device is rooted, root can be hidden (as well as any number of changes made to the system) so it makes sense for IT departments to want a non-reversible hardware fuse to detect the device has been tampered (mainly by the employees).
Android hasn't had the widest adoption for enterprise use, mainly due to the open nature of the OS. So such security measures are an attempt at changing that perception.
Folks on here have argued that KNOX counter does not void the warranty, and its only purpose if for use along with the KNOX security software. Whether that is 100% true or not, I can't personally say.
Knox allows a device to be setup as two completely separate devices in one. One secured for business use the other for personal use. I tripped Knox immediately on mine when I rooted it.
Can i towelroot and install cm without knockig trox?
Hey guys I've been scouring these posts and am unable to find a way to root my 928 t 5.1.1 I know the previous ways have been patched. Thought I came across a way to route over the computer. I would rather not trip Knox I want to make sure I can still jump to another phone Tmobile contract with Knox tripped. I have been trying King root everyday for a few weeks now to no avail. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in Advance.
I believe you are in the wrong forums, friend. This is for the standard sized edge. Try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-galaxy-s6-edge-plus
Edit: also, from everything I've read, T-Mobile does not check for a tripped KNOX when you jump.
Akw6190 said:
I believe you are in the wrong forums, friend. This is for the standard sized edge. Try here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-galaxy-s6-edge-plus
Edit: also, from everything I've read, T-Mobile does not check for a tripped KNOX when you jump.
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You are correct. i dont know how many phones i've turned into them for various reasons, the sales people dont care about rooted devices. most of them tell me there's no issues with rooting / not rooting. However, if you are a **** to them, they can refuse to replace the device or take it in for trade / upgrade. I believe it is a company policy to not accept or support rooted / knox tripped devices but this is not enforced.