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Hulu Killed Skyfire :(

Title says it.
If your getting it to work let me know. I'm using latest skyfire on Tmo TP2 over wifi.
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No No Way, Uh Uh, Forget It
mrbox23 said:
Title says it.
If your getting it to work let me know. I'm using latest skyfire on Tmo TP2 over wifi.
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Nope, ain't gonna happen. I hate to break it to you. I also, know that Skyfire is the most superior of all the web browsers when it comes to viewing flash content. Guess who also knows this, the people at HULU. Skyfire used to work for HULU content, but they got hip to this, so it no longer works. The only way you are gonna view HULU is to use myPlayer app. It is alright, you cant just view anything on Hulu, but you can view a lot of stuff on it. Plus, for now, this is as good as it gets. Search for myPlayer and Coreplayer (needed to stream myPlayer). You might just like it. I use it from time to time

that seems stupid and childish...why in the world does hulu care if we watch on our pc or a pocket pc...
im sure its something im missing regarding this, but it seems petty on the surface...

da9th_one said:
that seems stupid and childish...why in the world does hulu care if we watch on our pc or a pocket pc...
im sure its something im missing regarding this, but it seems petty on the surface...
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Don't blame Hulu, blame the US copyright system. Hulu has to keep all the TV networks (who legally hold the rights to those shows) happy by obeying every applicable copyright law. Hulu loses lots of business when a network decides to yank all their shows, and the average visitor to their site isn't happy when their shows go away. I'm sure somehow the networks negotiated something into some license/contract that Hulu must block mobile devices from viewing the site if possible, and Hulu is simply holding their end of the bargain

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Don't blame Hulu, blame the US copyright system. Hulu has to keep all the TV networks (who legally hold the rights to those shows) happy by obeying every applicable copyright law. Hulu loses lots of business when a network decides to yank all their shows, and the average visitor to their site isn't happy when their shows go away. I'm sure somehow the networks negotiated something into some license/contract that Hulu must block mobile devices from viewing the site if possible, and Hulu is simply holding their end of the bargain
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that's probably the most logical answer to what's going on...personally i don't use skyfire b/c they hoard as much personal info as google, as i understand it...thanks for clearing that up...

Yep, and also Skyfire would enable non US viewers of Hulu content. For now Hulu is only available for US IP's :-(

What doesn't make sense to me is why would they want LESS viewers of their material?

This happened many months ago.

vHatch said:
This happened many months ago.
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It's only reappearing now because for 2-3 days, it was working again.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Don't blame Hulu, blame the US copyright system. Hulu has to keep all the TV networks (who legally hold the rights to those shows) happy by obeying every applicable copyright law. Hulu loses lots of business when a network decides to yank all their shows, and the average visitor to their site isn't happy when their shows go away. I'm sure somehow the networks negotiated something into some license/contract that Hulu must block mobile devices from viewing the site if possible, and Hulu is simply holding their end of the bargain
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da9th_one said:
that's probably the most logical answer to what's going on...personally i don't use skyfire b/c they hoard as much personal info as google, as i understand it...thanks for clearing that up...
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I agree with Dave. The people who actually run hulu want it to succeed, but ultimately they aren't just answerable to the networks who own the content, hulu itself is owned by NBC, Fox and ABC/Disney.
Ironically, you can visit most of the network sites individually and watch via skyfire.
rorytmeadows said:
What doesn't make sense to me is why would they want LESS viewers of their material?
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They don't, but despite wanting to get into an inevitable online/on demand system, they are concerned (justifiably) about hemorrhaging broadcast/cable/satellite viewers. Hulu has just now reached profitability, but it doesn't have near the margins mainstream sources do, and probably won't for some time to come. Networks DO want to have a presence to stop unnecessary pirating and they DO want their heavily serial shows (Lost) to be something you can miss an episode of and catchup online without dropping out of the audience because you feel lost and they DO want to build legit audiences towards the day when TV gets rolled into the internet, but they DON'T want to hasten that particular day.
I have an HTPC, a nice big HD monitor and a real IR remote hooked up to it. Networks fear people like me who don't need their more profitable partners anymore. Someday, they'll be able to charge larger premiums on ads than they can now and it will no longer be an issue, but not today.

fortunz said:
They don't, but despite wanting to get into an inevitable online/on demand system, they are concerned (justifiably) about hemorrhaging broadcast/cable/satellite viewers. Hulu has just now reached profitability, but it doesn't have near the margins mainstream sources do, and probably won't for some time to come. Networks DO want to have a presence to stop unnecessary pirating and they DO want their heavily serial shows (Lost) to be something you can miss an episode of and catchup online without dropping out of the audience because you feel lost and they DO want to build legit audiences towards the day when TV gets rolled into the internet, but they DON'T want to hasten that particular day.
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Still, given some thought, it's not a bad thing for them. It's like if I had a free newspaper distributed in the county of a large city and a small supply accidentally got sent to a neighboring county. Why would I hate that?

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Don't blame Hulu, blame the US copyright system. Hulu has to keep all the TV networks (who legally hold the rights to those shows) happy by obeying every applicable copyright law. Hulu loses lots of business when a network decides to yank all their shows, and the average visitor to their site isn't happy when their shows go away. I'm sure somehow the networks negotiated something into some license/contract that Hulu must block mobile devices from viewing the site if possible, and Hulu is simply holding their end of the bargain
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Not to mention they are now owned in part by Comcast after the Comcast/NBC merger. Hulu is a direct competitor with cable companies. They not only block skyfire, but the PS3 as well. It's because they only want user's to watch their content sitting down at a computer. I think it's pretty ridiculous to block skyfire though. I used to watch hulu all the time on my phone before it was blocked since I am rarely at home in front of my computer. Now I pretty much never use hulu.
I did get my fill though when they unblocked it for a short amount of time ^-^ I just found out today that they blocked it again.

Verizon HTC Trophy Release Thread

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Well guys its here finally released
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/htc/trophy/
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...t&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=5635
HTC Trophy is a global Windows Phone 7 device for Verizon Wireless. It has a 1GHz processor, 3.8" WVGA display, 5MP Autofocus camera with LED flash, 720p video recording, 16GB of on-board memory, 576MB RAM / 512MB ROM , FM Radio, and will support DLNA.
After months of delays, false launch dates, and executive noncommittals, the HTC Trophy is finally now available for online order from Verizon Wireless for $150 with 2-year agreement, after $50 mail-in rebate. Verizon is also offering free overnight shipping so you can get your Trophy stat.
We have also finally learned the final details of the free Xbox 360 game deal. Trophy owners will need to go to www.freexboxgamenow.com and enter a code that’s on your phone packaging. You will then choose from three games (Halo:Reach, Kinect Sports or Lode Runner), and the game will be shipped out in “6 to 8 weeks”. Lame.
With the release of the HTC Trophy on Verizon, Windows Phone 7 is now on all four of the major wireless carriers in the United States.
http://wmpoweruser.com/award-yourself-with-the-verizon-trophy-–-available-now/
i already ordered mines should be getting it tomorrow

And it was sold out in most areas by 9:30-11am....try to get one now !

I got one - great device! Love the form factor.

OMG why so expensive?! amazon.de has it for 177 eur!!!

got mines today i LOVE it...great os and its only the beginning i just wish that u could copy and paste files via usb mass storage mode AND zune syncing and u can download mp3's through the web browser, and add/delete files without needing to hook it up to a computer but so far i love it
ill wait for mango for the custom ringtones and everything else the facebook app is nice they just need to add a few more feature like the ability to tag people to check in spots and the ability to use the camera to take a pic at the check in locations like the android app does
but i really love this os. now i gotta find some fun games and other coo apps

Love it thus far! Makes my Omnia II look like a brick. Some great free apps in Marketplace. I would bet from most folks here. Thanks for the cool apps! I like the level, compass, altimeter, foursquare, endomondo, DB meter, price scanner, apps. No Song ID app though? Is there a list of top rated Wp7 apps you guys use?
Question for the newbie WP7 user - is there a good read/thread on Roms, unlocking, the WP7? I have been adding ROMS since 6.0 so looking forward to tweaking the VZW Trophy.

ColoTouch said:
Love it thus far! Makes my Omnia II look like a brick. Some great free apps in Marketplace. I would bet from most folks here. Thanks for the cool apps! I like the level, compass, altimeter, foursquare, endomondo, DB meter, price scanner, apps. No Song ID app though? Is there a list of top rated Wp7 apps you guys use?
Question for the newbie WP7 user - is there a good read/thread on Roms, unlocking, the WP7? I have been adding ROMS since 6.0 so looking forward to tweaking the VZW Trophy.
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sad answer...
no roms - I think what people need to realize the goal of a rom was to make the lives of windows users far easier to which was limited by OEMs. In many ways, the wp7 product, save from elevated privileges, is a fantastic product as it stands. Custom roms will be available in time but not yet

Planned on getting one today. I called my local Verizon store and they informed me it was special order only. Not going to have it in stock at store locations. That really sucks.

How about unlolcking?
I fine with no custom ROMs, that's not something I really ever done. However, I'd love to unlock the device so that I can sideload apps. The main one I'd love to have would be the Navigon Select GPS app.
I understand I can developer unlock the device, but I was wondering if there is any other way?
I spent several hours trying to unlock with Chevron, and no luck. From what I understand, Chevron won't work with NoDo update. The only software available for the device has NoDo update installed already (burnt in ROM, I guess, so I haven't tried to resetting/formatting the device). Since we can't go back to 7004 WP7 release (when Chevron still worked), I assume Chevron is a no-go on NoDo?

Gadgetman, you are correct. Devices that don't have pre-NoDo ROMs available cannot be unlocked. There's an ongoing project here in the Development and Hacking forum where people are trying to jailbreak NoDo, but it's very far from a real unlock.
Sorry for bad news.

I'm pretty disappointed that Microsoft made such overtures to the homebrew/sideloading community, but it all appears to have been a hollow gesture.
I actually passed on the Chevron unlock, thinking that at some point this year, an officially supported mechanism would be made available (other than paying $100/year for a developer license). And now, due to an unfortunate sequence of events, I can't restore to pre-NoDo, so my phone is permanently locked.

I ordered mine the very day it came out, I love it; best phone I ever had. Can't wait for Mango.

MS Store had it for 0.01 with a 2 year contract... and you get 4000 xbox live points and 20 or 40.00 off MS Office 2010... crazy deals and if you get the free xbox game more freebies. I got my Xbox game already, just came today.

redmatt said:
MS Store had it for 0.01 with a 2 year contract... and you get 4000 xbox live points and 20 or 40.00 off MS Office 2010... crazy deals and if you get the free xbox game more freebies. I got my Xbox game already, just came today.
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I got mine as an insurance replacement for my broken Touch Pro 2, great phone. I was going to buy it off contract anyway (I really wanted one with a keyboard and I'm waiting for 2nd gen models before signing a 2 year)
You got your 360 game already ? They are saying 4-6 weeks, how long did you wait ?

Worth it for ICS?

Just looking for some opinions here. Amazon has the Kindle Fire refurb for $139. I currently have a Galaxy Nexus, but I've been looking into getting a tablet for a while. I will only be running ICS/straight Android on it and won't be using any of the preloaded apps and what not. Just wondering what you guys think in terms of performance and quality.

Amazon Kindle Fire running ICS with Hashcode's kernel is, without question, definitely worth $139.

soupmagnet said:
Amazon Kindle Fire running ICS with Hashcode's kernel is, without question, definitely worth $139.
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I totally agree with that. I couldn't be happier with my Fire running ICS. Best $200 I have spent.

Awesome, thanks guys. Looks like I'll be pulling the trigger on one of these.

Let me put it this way...
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How could you not want that for $139???

I'm not sure what you decided, hajabooja, but I know when I saw that price earlier, it was instant buy for me. First thought was "$140 for an Android tab????!" A few hours later I'm wondering if I really NEEDED to spend $140...
Oh well, it will be here Friday

The kernel this is all based on is really rough, and the ROMs are rougher still. Force-closes and strange behavior is par for the course, and there are still some outlying issues (especially related to charging) that affect everyone and can get annoying if you want to do certain things.
You won't get a production ICS device experience.
You will get a "It's real ICS, and most things work, but to do X you have to do Y and Z because that's still broken, also don't do A or B they don't work and could screw your /data" experience.
If that's attractive to you, dive in.

roothorick said:
The kernel this is all based on is really rough, and the ROMs are rougher still. Force-closes and strange behavior is par for the course, and there are still some outlying issues (especially related to charging) that affect everyone and can get annoying if you want to do certain things.
You won't get a production ICS device experience.
You will get a "It's real ICS, and most things work, but to do X you have to do Y and Z because that's still broken, also don't do A or B they don't work and could screw your /data" experience.
If that's attractive to you, dive in.
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This is a fairly pessimistic view of ICS on the Kindle Fire. It's only been a few weeks since Hashcode has released anything to the general public and he's made significant progress since then. You never know if the next release will make most of the problem areas a thing of the past. From my point of view, if the status quo doesn't work for you, then the promise of what's to come should still make it worthwhile.

kinfauns said:
This is a fairly pessimistic view of ICS on the Kindle Fire. It's only been a few weeks since Hashcode has released anything to the general public and he's made significant progress since then. You never know if the next release will make most of the problem areas a thing of the past. From my point of view, if the status quo doesn't work for you, then the promise of what's to come should still make it worthwhile.
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+1
plus on top of that... since i flashed gederom, i havnt had a SINGLE issue, so i dont get it. Most of the problems popping up seem to be from peoples inability to read the posts properly.

roothorick said:
The kernel this is all based on is really rough, and the ROMs are rougher still. Force-closes and strange behavior is par for the course, and there are still some outlying issues (especially related to charging) that affect everyone and can get annoying if you want to do certain things.
You won't get a production ICS device experience.
You will get a "It's real ICS, and most things work, but to do X you have to do Y and Z because that's still broken, also don't do A or B they don't work and could screw your /data" experience.
If that's attractive to you, dive in.
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Some people just can't be pleased.
Welcome to the wonderful world of open source beta software. It always starts out buggy, just like any other piece of software out there, even final release OEM.
The Kindle Fire is coming along in it's development at a very fast pace and it'll only continue to get better. $139 is a good deal even for an unmodified Kindle Fire.
Don't listen to the haters.

I purchased one, should be here on Friday as well. I'm up for dealing with bugs to help out developers. I've been running custom ROMs/kernels since the original Droid. Can't wait to start playing around! My poor Galaxy Nexus hasn't had the same ROM on it for more than 5 days since I got it in December! Thanks for all the input, fellas.

kinfauns said:
This is a fairly pessimistic view of ICS on the Kindle Fire. It's only been a few weeks since Hashcode has released anything to the general public and he's made significant progress since then. You never know if the next release will make most of the problem areas a thing of the past. From my point of view, if the status quo doesn't work for you, then the promise of what's to come should still make it worthwhile.
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Its pessimistic and frankly nonsense. With your awesome guide kinfauns it couldn't be easier to flash stuff, and with Kernel 3.0 #8 its a really smooth experience too. Hashcode is amazing with what he's been able to do. I bought a Fire on launch day and returned it because of how buggy Amazon's software was, gedeRom has been more reliable for me than Amazon's launch release ever was (tip of my hat to gedemis as well). If I payed $139 for a tablet that shipped with ICS at its current state on the Fire id be absolutely chuffed. Hell I just payed $200 for a new one and im still chuffed.
Haters gonna hate, I wouldn't worry about it. I cant wait to see where this dev community goes.

Galaxy Nexus Ban Temporarily Lifted

http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/6/31...porarily-suspended-while-appeals-court-issues
Now there's a temporary stay on the temporary injunction.

tempo-ception, it is.

good deal... now open sales back up so I can buy it!!

Kohawk09 said:
good deal... now open sales back up so I can buy it!!
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They're probably just gonna hold off until they can start selling them with 4.1. Its only gonna be a week anyway.

martonikaj said:
They're probably just gonna hold off until they can start selling them with 4.1. Its only gonna be a week anyway.
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Figured they might. Personally I'd like to just order it now, know i have it, then flash JB myself... Seems they announced they were going to start selling again when they had 4.1 ready to go... but that decision was made prior to this revelation. Business sense to me says just start selling again.

Kohawk09 said:
Figured they might. Personally I'd like to just order it now, know i have it, then flash JB myself... Seems they announced they were going to start selling again when they had 4.1 ready to go... but that decision was made prior to this revelation. Business sense to me says just start selling again.
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They're selling so few of these things it really doesn't matter honestly. Sad, but true.
They said they'll resume selling next week, with 4.1 preloaded. We'll survive.

martonikaj said:
They're selling so few of these things it really doesn't matter honestly. Sad, but true.
They said they'll resume selling next week, with 4.1 preloaded. We'll survive.
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You're not the one walking around with an old ass flip phone because of this BS...

Kohawk09 said:
You're not the one walking around with an old ass flip phone because of this BS...
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You'll still survive.

bozzykid said:
http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/6/31...porarily-suspended-while-appeals-court-issues
Now there's a temporary stay on the temporary injunction.
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That is not right. The verge must not have any lawyers on staff. The 9th Circuit issued two orders; 1) there will be no temporary stay on the tab 10.1, 2) before they act on the GNex (as in suspend the temporary injunction or not) they want a reply from Apple by July 12.
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That is not right. The verge must not have any lawyers on staff. The 9th Circuit issued two orders; 1) there will be no stay on the tab 10.1, 2) before they act on the GNex (as in suspend the temporary injunction or not) they want a reply from Apple by July 12.
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You're looking at the order for the tab not the one pertaining to the GN.

matt30 said:
That is not right. The verge must not have any lawyers on staff. The 9th Circuit issued two orders; 1) there will be no stay on the tab 10.1, 2) before they act on the GNex (as in suspend the temporary injunction or not) they want a reply from Apple by July 12.
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Actually they do have at least one writer that is a lawyer. And what is wrong with their article? They stated that Apple has to respond before the judge will decide on keeping the ban before trial.

Kohawk09 said:
Figured they might. Personally I'd like to just order it now, know i have it, then flash JB myself... Seems they announced they were going to start selling again when they had 4.1 ready to go... but that decision was made prior to this revelation. Business sense to me says just start selling again.
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Google isn't bound by the order, AFAIK. They are probably changing the firmware and didn't want people waiting / getting upset that the phone they ordered isn't shipping for another 3 weeks, so they took down the order form.

This whole thing is such a mess.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus

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Actually they do have at least one writer that is a lawyer. And what is wrong with their article? They stated that Apple has to respond before the judge will decide on keeping the ban before trial.
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I actually didn't read the verge article until just now.
But there are 2 stays at issue here. There's an immediate stay which lasts from today until whenever the court has an opportunity to read Apple's reply (2 weeks probably). Then there's a temporary stay pending appeal which would last from the end of any immediate stay until appeal (several months, maybe years).
The immediate stays were decided but the temporary stays were not.

The orders pertaining to the GN are broken into two parts as visible on the courts website. The part you snipped from the PDF was for the galaxy tab case which has a different court file number. If you'd actually read the one PDF included in the verge article and the other from the courts website you will see the article is correct. That the preliminary injunction pertaining to the galaxy nexus is temporarily stayed until apple responds by July 12th and until the court reviews the response and makes a decision.

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Google isn't bound by the order, AFAIK. They are probably changing the firmware and didn't want people waiting / getting upset that the phone they ordered isn't shipping for another 3 weeks, so they took down the order form.
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they are bound by the play store though. We could throw out 10 different scenarios, but its all speculation and assumptions. I'm just looking forward to a new device, so naturally impatient

IMHO, this is what Sammy/Google need to do...
Sell as many as possible at or just above cost to blow out as many units as possible before the ban takes effect again. I'm sure there would be quite a few sold along the way to the ban again... at least they could sell thru what ever inventory they might have. Just to get it into as many hands as possible. They could even ship them with IDs from the IO conference so Jelly Belly would be OTA automatically.
I dunno... don't want to sound like a fan boy but Apple would probably claim predatory pricing or something.

I placed my order in the play store on July 3rd...and just recently found out about this ban lol! Damn you apple for delaying my order!!

looks like its back for sale... but seems they adjusted the estimated shipping to "Ships when Available" when its in your cart..
O well, purchased and hopefully in the queue. Hopefully it will ship sooner than their estimate of 2-3 weeks.

Kohawk09 said:
looks like its back for sale... but seems they adjusted the estimated shipping to "Ships when Available" when its in your cart..
O well, purchased and hopefully in the queue. Hopefully it will ship sooner than their estimate of 2-3 weeks.
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That's sad for me, my friend leaves the US on 18th and he was gonna get it with him! I want the GNex so bad! Any suggestions?
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Google Pixel 2 XL DVT Models

Hey, So I got my hands on some Google Pixel 2 XL devices (actually 8) which were shipped here on 29th of August 2017 (Pixel 2 XL released on first week of Oct 2017)These devices are up for auctions by the Customs department here and I'am thinking to buy them however I have some doubts regarding the DVT sticker and "Not for Sale" marking on back-panel. I have some pics from inspection. It would be really great if you could help me out in buying decision.
My main doubts are:
1. Can build no. be changed after a normal update ? (i guess yes, but still looking for a sure answer)
2. Will it be a good deal to get them at 40% of the present retail price ? (I mean will people would like to own a Pixel 2 XL @ 40 to 50% discounted rate, 'cause "Not for Sale" is mentioned on back-panel)
Looking forward that community members will help.

The "Not For Sale" item on the back is a red flag. It tells me these are engineering samples. The software in an engineering sample is rarely finished and of beta quality. Worse, the bootloader may be locked, something Verizon owners are all too familiar with. The engineering sample bootloader however isn't a Verizon device and ignores any and all attempts to unlock it.
Google may have changed its development practices and these could be something else, but I would be wary regardless.

Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
The "Not For Sale" item on the back is a red flag. It tells me these are engineering samples. The software in an engineering sample is rarely finished and of beta quality. Worse, the bootloader may be locked, something Verizon owners are all too familiar with. The engineering sample bootloader however isn't a Verizon device and ignores any and all attempts to unlock it.
Google may have changed its development practices and these could be something else, but I would be wary regardless.
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Thanks for your reply . Initially I too had same doubts and after checking about word "DVT" I found it stands for "Design Validation Testing" and it's one step before Mass Production for consumers. And also noticing the date of shipment which is 29th Aug 2017 (almost 35 days before official launch) I don't think there would be any hardware differences.
however one thing I would really like to know is Build No. I mean can we change that through a normal update ?
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Now, in answer to your question, probably not. The software here is a pre-release version of Android 8.0, as noted by the build number. From past experience with people who have come across these devices thinking they got a good deal, what usually happens is they attempt to update the device and it fails. Where these devices are intended for testing the software, Google locks down the device so that only testing images can be loaded. Unlocking the bootloader will not be possible, and Verizon owners know all about that, but this will be worse. The option to allow OEM Unlocking will most likely be grayed out.
Unless you don't care about unlocking the device and never seeing an update of any kind, this is not a good deal. Not when you can go to Swappa and purchase a production model that has potentially been used even less than these units.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G6G_YgwFOL0ktOSEw3G-wv33b5c6w7oZ/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h2ZdbqIyqtTpqFinYzRP1Lx29CYVK0cD/view?usp=drivesdkSo here are updated image links.
Build No. is taimen-userdebug 8.0.0 OPD1.170816.007

rasi_rana said:
Thanks for your reply . Initially I too had same doubts and after checking about word "DVT" I found it stands for "Design Validation Testing" and it's one step before Mass Production for consumers. And also noticing the date of shipment which is 29th Aug 2017 (almost 35 days before official launch) I don't think there would be any hardware differences.
however one thing I would really like to know is Build No. I mean can we change that through a normal update ?
Here are the links/images of back-panel
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I do something similar for the Dept of Defense as far as testing weapons systems, software, etc. and if these units are indeed test validation units, they have been stressed in super heated, super cold, harsh environmental conditions, attempts to overcharge the battery, leave it plugged in during heavy use, overheating the CPUs, and a ton of other tests that validate it's consumer usability.
Basically, these units, if test validation pieces, have been abused both physically and software to represent the worst use the average consumer would put them through.
With some of our software testing, earlier versions are unable to be overwritten, or updated via conventional methods because it is still under testing. IF these units are similar, they might be stuck on whatever OS is currently on them.
If they are being sold AS IS, or you can verify they are actually TEST units, I'd put my money somewhere else.
Just my .02.
Good luck!
If it were me, I wouldn't risk ANY funding I wasn't willing to lose on these. With some

Az Biker said:
With some of our software testing, earlier versions are unable to be overwritten, or updated via conventional methods because it is still under testing. IF these units are similar, they might be stuck on whatever OS is currently on them.
If they are being sold AS IS, or you can verify they are actually TEST units, I'd put my money somewhere else.
Just my .02.
Good luck!
If it were me, I wouldn't risk ANY funding I wasn't willing to lose on these. With some
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thanks for stopping by and putting forward your views.
How about investing 1/4th of the retail price on a single device ? and btw Build No. is "taimen-userdebug 8.0.0 OPD1.170816.007" (in case you could offer some more help)

rasi_rana said:
thanks for stopping by and putting forward your views.
How about investing 1/4th of the retail price on a single device ? and btw Build No. is "taimen-userdebug 8.0.0 OPD1.170816.007" (in case you could offer some more help)
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If it were me, I would stop at Verification Test Device.
Only you can determine whether you're willing to risk how ever much 25% would total.
Especially if you don't know that you can sell these as upgradable, unlockable, or if they even have all the final release apps and features installed.
Since you asked, my advice is: walk away save your $ for another venture that has more reliable resale and profit tied to it. Way too many IFs and unknowns with these devices in my opinion.