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will Desire also have Wireless N?

Various media have reported that a video is demonstrating Nexus's wireless N connecting ability. Since it is said that Desire shares much the same hadrware as Nexus, will we have that highspeed connection too?

w00yee said:
Various media have reported that a video is demonstrating Nexus's wireless N connecting ability. Since it is said that Desire shares much the same hadrware as Nexus, will we have that highspeed connection too?
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I was wondering the same, wil the desire get "N" as well ??

Can someone enlighten me on what "N" is?
I have searched for it on the internet, and from what I can gather it is "Wifi incorporating numerous sources to make the speed faster?"

I've not managed to find the exact wireless chip that is in the Desire, but I'd be amazed if it was different from the N1.
The problem is going to be waiting for HTC to get a ROM with a sensified version of 2.2. Though if we are rooted by then, then I guess I could live without sense for a while.
I have to say, it seems as though rooting the Desire is a lot harder than people first thought.

redrazr7791 said:
Can someone enlighten me on what "N" is?
I have searched for it on the internet, and from what I can gather it is "Wifi incorporating numerous sources to make the speed faster?"
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You serious? Wireless n (300Mb/s), as opposed to Wireless g (56Mb/s). 802.11n. Faster, better range, more battery drain etc.

profet said:
I've not managed to find the exact wireless chip that is in the Desire, but I'd be amazed if it was different from the N1.
The problem is going to be waiting for HTC to get a ROM with a sensified version of 2.2. Though if we are rooted by then, then I guess I could live without sense for a while.
I have to say, it seems as though rooting the Desire is a lot harder than people first thought.
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don't know if Paul has got sth there during the past few days.
if desire has different hardware, i wish desire has a different touchscreen
yesterday i tweeted iFixit for a desire teardown, no reply so far =D

profet said:
You serious? Wireless n (300Mb/s), as opposed to Wireless g (56Mb/s). 802.11n. Faster, better range, more battery drain etc.
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Uh yea I am
I don't use WiFi, so when I started reading articles about the Nexus One and
"N" I wondered why it was such an amazing find
Guess I know my answer now.

Hi guys, N is a wireless standard (read here) but all you need to know is, it's faster than your current wireless connections.
Don't quote me on this but I believe it may already be activated on our phones.
It seems Google had a bunch of stuff that this chip could do turned off...like for instance the FM radio, which we have working.

Aitese said:
Don't quote me on this but I believe it may already be activated on our phones.
It seems Google had a bunch of stuff that this chip could do turned off...like for instance the FM radio, which we have working.
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i just checked and it's not
i set my router to wireless N only and the phone failed to connect
setting it back to g + n and the phone connects.
in the router setup, it shows the wireless session for the phone as 802.11g

Wireless 802.11n standard currently works on the Nexus One and interestingly, both the Nexus One and the Desire use the same Broadcom BCM4329 chip. Hopefully it will be activated in the next 2.2 firmware update (if that ever happens )

redrazr - sorry mate, just realised I probably sounded kinda rude.
Anyhow, wireless n would be a big improvement, particularly in range and reliability. From what I understand, it seems the desire HARDWARE is capable (with the right driver) but that the current software (Android) is not.

w00yee said:
don't know if Paul has got sth there during the past few days.
if desire has different hardware, i wish desire has a different touchscreen
yesterday i tweeted iFixit for a desire teardown, no reply so far =D
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Paul is on extended vacation atm...
at least 21 hours ago, we was in Rio?

profet said:
redrazr - sorry mate, just realised I probably sounded kinda rude.
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Its all good bud
It's Friday...just a little ancy to get this week over with & start the weekend.

The Lurking Droid said:
Paul is on extended vacation atm...
at least 21 hours ago, we was in Rio?
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Paul tweeted that he will be home tomorrow.
Hope he gets straight into rooting our phones

The Lurking Droid said:
Paul is on extended vacation atm...
at least 21 hours ago, we was in Rio?
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milkybarkid said:
Paul tweeted that he will be home tomorrow.
Hope he gets straight into rooting our phones
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you guys need to step outside once in a while before he files a restraining order

deprecate said:
you guys need to step outside once in a while before he files a restraining order
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Or even worse, ban you guys from knowing how to root the phone

milkybarkid said:
Paul tweeted that he will be home tomorrow.
Hope he gets straight into rooting our phones
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But who allowed him to go on vacation in first place?
And by plane!? Do you know how dangerous flying is these days? Seriously guys, we need to take better care of him.

milkybarkid said:
Paul tweeted that he will be home tomorrow.
Hope he gets straight into rooting our phones
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Yeah saw that too Hopefully he'll go right down to business!
@deprecate
Hey dude, watch it!
I went out as matter of fact yesterday, just be hailed by... hail and today, it's below zero outside :S and it's may very soon!!!!
and got cold on top of that :S well, it sucks to be me
@vlasac
we can always tell him from next time "flying to a vacation while trying to root? do not want!" or something

so, now we have root, can we get wireless n to work?

Disappointed : /

Hi,
Just bought my Galaxy Nexus today, i'm coming from a Xperia Arc, best phone i ever had, but outdated specs for nowadays (except for the camera).
Just 15 minutes using the phone i noticed the gray bands on the screen. First i thought it was a problem with my device and i even called the shop to ask for a replacement, but searching later i saw it was a general problem, related to the S amoled screen. I was shocked, how a flagship and expensive phone could have so primary problem ?
Anyway, i already sold my Arc, so i started to look for workarounds ; if the problem is only in gray colors, i will try to avoid. Unfortunately, ICS plague G. Nexus owners with ALL google apps with the infamous gray background, so now everytime i open any google app, i remember my device has a faulty screen.
So i searched in settings to change the background color to a dark theme ; in my Arc with Android 2.3.3 this was simple. Again i've been frustrated : no option to change it and searching in this forum now i know that simply change google app's background needs to root, unlock bootloader and flash a new rom ; i've done this before in other devices but i know it's not an easy task , often leading to problems.
So far, i'm VERY disappointed. If i could go back in time, i would sticky with my Arc until another really good option shows up. I live in Brazil and flagships phones take a long time to be available here and are VERY expensive.
Anyway, SHAME on you google and Samsung. Being a Android fan since i left my N97, i'm really disappointed now.

Follow the link to solve your problem.
http://bit.ly/8y7VtE

Thanks, that's really the only way

Its insanely easy to root a nexus compared to all other phones. Just type one command. They do it purposely since its a dev phone.

zeekiz said:
Follow the link to solve your problem.
http://bit.ly/8y7VtE
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Hahahahahaha
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

thefunkyjoint said:
Thanks, that's really the only way
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try screen adjuster from pstore or install a custom rom/kernel and use the color control
you own a google phone, you can do anything with it

adb backup - backup your data, if you care about it (unlock erases everything)
fastboot unlock
fastboot boot path-to-insecure-boot.img
fastboot flash recovery path-to-clockworkmod.img
adb restore - if you did backup anything
There. Or use the GNex toolkit, does all of this for you expect backup.

@thefunkyjoint. Do what the guys are telling you and root the phone. Run aokp , liquid ics , gummy or any of the popular custom roms. Your opinion of this phone will change a lot. Plain and simple the phone becomes flawless .
"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom" now on the gnex

laureanop said:
@thefunkyjoint. Do what the guys are telling you and root the phone. Run aokp , liquid ics , gummy or any of the popular custom roms. Your opinion of this phone will change a lot. Plain and simple the phone becomes flawless .
"the relentless pursuit of the perfect rom" now on the gnex
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Yeah Bro the Xperia arc was a piece of crap the specs were outdated when it came out. I had it for 3 weeks and then I sold it for the sgs2. Actually the only good thing the Xperia arc had was a good camera that I'll admit. I have no idea what gray lines you're talking about but there is a colour control function in franco kernel, combine it with AOKP and you got a lean mean android machine.

thefunkyjoint said:
Hi,
Just bought my Galaxy Nexus today, i'm coming from a Xperia Arc, best phone i ever had, but outdated specs for nowadays (except for the camera).
Just 15 minutes using the phone i noticed the gray bands on the screen. First i thought it was a problem with my device and i even called the shop to ask for a replacement, but searching later i saw it was a general problem, related to the S amoled screen. I was shocked, how a flagship and expensive phone could have so primary problem ?
Anyway, i already sold my Arc, so i started to look for workarounds ; if the problem is only in gray colors, i will try to avoid. Unfortunately, ICS plague G. Nexus owners with ALL google apps with the infamous gray background, so now everytime i open any google app, i remember my device has a faulty screen.
So i searched in settings to change the background color to a dark theme ; in my Arc with Android 2.3.3 this was simple. Again i've been frustrated : no option to change it and searching in this forum now i know that simply change google app's background needs to root, unlock bootloader and flash a new rom ; i've done this before in other devices but i know it's not an easy task , often leading to problems.
So far, i'm VERY disappointed. If i could go back in time, i would sticky with my Arc until another really good option shows up. I live in Brazil and flagships phones take a long time to be available here and are VERY expensive.
Anyway, SHAME on you google and Samsung. Being a Android fan since i left my N97, i'm really disappointed now.
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I would return your phone. Your screen is defective. You should not have gray bands on the screen. Mine certainly doesn't.

RogerPodacter said:
Its insanely easy to root a nexus compared to all other phones. Just type one command. They do it purposely since its a dev phone.
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Off topic, but I found this kind of funny. On my Eris I downloaded an app from the market and was rooted in one click. On my nexus I had to hook it up to my computer, install a ton of software, spend a bunch of time searching the Internet for the steps people left out, edit some configuration files, and wipe the phone.
Easy, maybe for the devs, but for your average user, no.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

This is the problem i'm talking about the graylines :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391509&page=20
Lot of users have it, lot of them return the phone and receive a new one with the same problem.

T-Keith said:
Off topic, but I found this kind of funny. On my Eris I downloaded an app from the market and was rooted in one click. On my nexus I had to hook it up to my computer, install a ton of software, spend a bunch of time searching the Internet for the steps people left out, edit some configuration files, and wipe the phone.
Easy, maybe for the devs, but for your average user, no.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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Translation:
On my Eris, someone held my hand and packaged an exploit for me.
On my Nexus I had to learn how to do it the right way.
Side note: For those of us who took the time to learn the right way all along, rooting this took as much time as it did for you to download an apk on your Eris.

thefunkyjoint said:
This is the problem i'm talking about the graylines :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1391509&page=20
Lot of users have it, lot of them return the phone and receive a new one with the same problem.
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Welcome to amoled.
Amoled and gradients rarely play nicely.
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T-Keith said:
Off topic, but I found this kind of funny. On my Eris I downloaded an app from the market and was rooted in one click. On my nexus I had to hook it up to my computer, install a ton of software, spend a bunch of time searching the Internet for the steps people left out, edit some configuration files, and wipe the phone.
Easy, maybe for the devs, but for your average user, no.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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Install PdaNet for drivers
Run a batch file to unlock bootloader (I concede you have to do a backup if you decided to root way after getting the phone, otherwise you can just accept it since market will auto redownload all your apps and your contacts are stored in the cloud anyway). There's countless sites describing how to unlock your g-nex, which if you look at the command(s), is very simple to understand even if you are technologically retarded...
Double click the batch file in Paul's superboot package
I managed to do this when I didn't really have a clue about my phone or Android. I'm sure anyone who can find their way here has the mental capacity to root their phone without a hitch.
And if by "your average user" you mean the people that don't understand that their phone runs Android -- well, they're not going to root their phone anyway so it doesn't matter.

adrynalyne said:
Welcome to amoled.
Amoled and gradients rarely play nicely.
My solution:
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Where did you get those button mods at?

spencer88 said:
Where did you get those button mods at?
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One of the devs on our team made them.
Its BAMF Paradigm 1.1.

My screen looks exactly like this one, posted by another member :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=21902099&postcount=180
Is it supposed to be 'normal' in Amoled screens ?

adrynalyne said:
Welcome to amoled.
Amoled and gradients rarely play nicely.
My solution:
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Looks great, how can i do it ? Is it a custom rom ?

zeekiz said:
Follow the link to solve your problem.
http://bit.ly/8y7VtE
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Haha nice!

Dammit HTC and Verizon!

OK everybody this thread has gotten way off topic while waiting for our OTA update which is supposed to be "tomorrow" (if you're confused just read a few pages) This thread now is a place for us to joke around, slander Verizon and talk about DIX

Triscuit said:
I just noticed that HTC released OTA ICS for the rezound and a couple others, I'm really hoping this means we will be next in line for OTA cause we all know what that means!!! Figured I'd give you guys a heads up.
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Or they'll announce that we don't get it... But hopefully what you said.

gtdtm said:
Or they'll announce that we don't get it... But hopefully what you said.
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Well HTC claimed we would get it june-july but obviously that didn't happen...so yes hopefully what I said lol

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Also this was posted about a week ago

Triscuit said:
Also this was posted about a week ago
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I know this just shows the pessimist in me (or what I feel about VZW's track record, because I think it would be more them than HTC), but also from that blog:
"For more background, due to how storage on the HTC Desire HD is partitioned – and the larger size of Android 4.0 – it would require re-partitioning device storage and overwriting user data in order to install this update. While technically advanced users might find this solution acceptable, the majority of customers would not. We also considered ways to reduce the overall size of the software package, but this would impact features and functionality that customers are currently using. Even after installing the update, there were other technical limitations which we felt negatively impacted the user experience."
Is Verizon willing to lose some stupid bundled apps to make sure it can fit on our Dinc2? I imagine they could save plenty of space by not bundling NFL Mobile, etc...
My 2 cents.

gtdtm said:
I know this just shows the pessimist in me (or what I feel about VZW's track record, because I think it would be more them than HTC), but also from that blog:
"For more background, due to how storage on the HTC Desire HD is partitioned – and the larger size of Android 4.0 – it would require re-partitioning device storage and overwriting user data in order to install this update. While technically advanced users might find this solution acceptable, the majority of customers would not. We also considered ways to reduce the overall size of the software package, but this would impact features and functionality that customers are currently using. Even after installing the update, there were other technical limitations which we felt negatively impacted the user experience."
Is Verizon willing to lose some stupid bundled apps to make sure it can fit on our Dinc2? I imagine they could save plenty of space by not bundling NFL Mobile, etc...
My 2 cents.
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Seriously? Show me one damn person that uses that bloatware that comes bundled, I know I don't. Silly Verizon. :banghead:

Thanks?
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Triscuit said:
Well HTC claimed we would get it june-july but obviously that didn't happen...so yes hopefully what I said lol
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Do you have a link to when they said June or July?
The only eta I ever read was August... I don't think we have anything to worry about personally, but only time will tell. I don't really care as long as they release kernel source for at least one of the other variations of the dinc2 that already has official ics. I have given up on sense roms anyways since I switched to ics.
Sent from my ICS Dinc2

cstone1991 said:
Do you have a link to when they said June or July?
The only eta I ever read was August... I don't think we have anything to worry about personally, but only time will tell. I don't really care as long as they release kernel source for at least one of the other variations of the dinc2 that already has official ics. I have given up on sense roms anyways since I switched to ics.
Sent from my ICS Dinc2
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http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
And you are correct as well as they have both "june-july" and August lol

is it august yet? go go go go

We still need 3.0 kernel source.
Sent from Inc 2 using Tapatalk 2

xHoLyx said:
We still need 3.0 kernel source.
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Bah! This is the same old speculation that we are doing... Just wait it out, and see... Hopefully good news. Let's rant/rage if and when VZW screws us over... but till then just chill gang!

litetaker said:
Bah! This is the same old speculation that we are doing... Just wait it out, and see... Hopefully good news. Let's rant/rage if and when VZW screws us over... but till then just chill gang!
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^^Exactly^^ I'm willing to wait it out, I've got jelly bean on my phone already and its awesome.

They've already released ics for the Chinese or whatever it was version, so don't they need to give kernel source for that even if we don't get it?
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prototype7 said:
They've already released ics for the Chinese or whatever it was version, so don't they need to give kernel source for that even if we don't get it?
Sent from my Incredible 2 using Tapatalk 2
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Yes.....eventually

prototype7 said:
They've already released ics for the Chinese or whatever it was version, so don't they need to give kernel source for that even if we don't get it?
Sent from my Incredible 2 using Tapatalk 2
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kernel source from oem's is a murky proposition at best....ideally source would be available as soon as an update is out, but htc hides behind their typical (90-120 days after release) window....though (thunderbolt gb update) they have released source on the same day as an update
i have no idea why they pull this, since theres nothing to change/add to the kernel since its already released, but there isnt much to do on our end...short of suing them
so idk

gtdtm said:
I know this just shows the pessimist in me (or what I feel about VZW's track record, because I think it would be more them than HTC), but also from that blog:
"For more background, due to how storage on the HTC Desire HD is partitioned – and the larger size of Android 4.0 – it would require re-partitioning device storage and overwriting user data in order to install this update. While technically advanced users might find this solution acceptable, the majority of customers would not. We also considered ways to reduce the overall size of the software package, but this would impact features and functionality that customers are currently using. Even after installing the update, there were other technical limitations which we felt negatively impacted the user experience."
Is Verizon willing to lose some stupid bundled apps to make sure it can fit on our Dinc2? I imagine they could save plenty of space by not bundling NFL Mobile, etc...
My 2 cents.
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Well for one DesireHD is not the Incredible S/2. Second, it's not about your or me or this site it's about the larger customer base so HTC is acting in best interest of their own company to not release something that could make a lot (more than here, rootz, ac, etc) of people pissed off. Always keep in mind we are the smaller,much smaller, segment of a larger industry.

frankspin said:
Well for one DesireHD is not the Incredible S/2. Second, it's not about your or me or this site it's about the larger customer base so HTC is acting in best interest of their own company to not release something that could make a lot (more than here, rootz, ac, etc) of people pissed off. Always keep in mind we are the smaller,much smaller, segment of a larger industry.
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Also keep on mind that that larger user base usually doesn't know what software version their phone has and they probably think GB is the latest since their phone says up to date if they check under software updates. It's true that we're a smaller segment of a larger group, but we're the ones that keep up with this kind of stuff and actually care about updates on time. Other users could care less as long as their phone gets the job done.
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frankspin said:
Well for one DesireHD is not the Incredible S/2. Second, it's not about your or me or this site it's about the larger customer base so HTC is acting in best interest of their own company to not release something that could make a lot (more than here, rootz, ac, etc) of people pissed off. Always keep in mind we are the smaller,much smaller, segment of a larger industry.
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I get that, but don't promise something you can't deliver... It turns me off of both HTC and vzw more than if they would have said, "we'll research it and see if we can."

gtdtm said:
I get that, but don't promise something you can't deliver... It turns me off of both HTC and vzw more than if they would have said, "we'll research it and see if we can."
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Well Verizon or HTC haven't said anything about the Inc2 since the initial memo. Again going by e DesireHD is wrong since its not the same phone. Verizon or HTC saying "well research and see" would still cause you to be mad. If the IncS got it the Inc2 should be getting it they're identical phones for the most part.

Note 4 getting another over-the-air update, Will AT&T get this one?

I know we didn't get the first firmware update, that supposedly increased battery usage, performance etc, but maybe we get this one?
http://www.sammobile.com/2014/11/21/samsung-galaxy-note-4-getting-another-over-the-air-update/

That's for international phones and since we are not rooted and don't have custom recovery for AT&T we can't use it
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A

I'm sure you will see one shortly anyways for the gear vr . It was stated during oculus connect that a ota will have to roll out in front of the release. Which the release is scheduled for beginning of December. That is unless the update will only push if you have it connected to the VR. I guess only time will tell.

AT&T (who should have no involvement in device updates, but in this great country of ours, does) could do 1 of 3 things
1) Release the first update, then the second, then lollipop (least likely)
2) Release a combined update with both the first and second updates (possible, though unlikely, maybe this is why the didn't bother with the first one)
3) Don't release anything ecept Lollipop. Logically, it would contain any previous updates in the 5.0 build (most likely what will happen)
#3 seems to be the main choice. I can't understand why AT&T or any other carrier would spend a single cent on software and development. It doesn't seem to fit what they do. They can push in their bloatware without holding back on everything. Maybe they do stability testing, and ensuring it doesn't effect the network stability, which I would understand, but minor updates are way toooooo hard to trickle down from the manufacturer to the end user.

I was in bestbuy , all there phones are international. They all had a software update waiting. You couldn't stop it or force quit it, it was awesome. But with that said, the demo software security policy was making the update fall. Just about everyone of there note 4 was in endless full boot, try upgrade, restart.

I think I should asking, when does the AT&T Note 4 get Lollipop? Next Christmas in 2015?

sandman7793 said:
I was in bestbuy , all there phones are international. They all had a software update waiting. You couldn't stop it or force quit it, it was awesome. But with that said, the demo software security policy was making the update fall. Just about everyone of there note 4 was in endless full boot, try upgrade, restart.
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That IS awesome :laugh:

Yea I can't believe that situation with the gear vr needing a firmware update to work. If it's left to the carriers, a lot of early adopters may be stuck waiting. It doesn't work on any retail version of the phone right now, according to the oculus forums.
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boufa said:
AT&T (who should have no involvement in device updates, but in this great country of ours, does)
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Well, they like to test and quality the updates to make sure they don't enable features they don't allow or break their network. It's their network, so that's their right - as a free enterprise business in this great country we live in.
When you start your own billion dollar wireless network, you can approve updates however you see fit. Until then...

JasonJoel said:
Well, they like to test and quality the updates to make sure they don't enable features they don't allow or break their network. It's their network, so that's their right - as a free enterprise business in this great country we live in.
When you start your own billion dollar wireless network, you can approve updates however you see fit. Until then...
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Wow... a bit aggressive of a response (but thats the internet for ya). Not many people here defending the carriers.
The international devices are not managed in the same way. I certainly understand testing for their network, but I am sure that the international networks are not crashing from lack of testing. The system in the US is out of date. Few, would argue it. Google certainly seems to thing so, they are unbundling much of their software to avoid dealing with the carriers on updates. Other companies like HTC have also begun releasing their included software as separate apps that can be updated via google play. There are many threads throughout XDA that call for eliminating the carriers from the updates system. I see it happening at some point, though not soon.
I for one am not against their blocking root. I like root, I have rooted many devices, but hacking a device to put on their network that can break their network, or exploit their resources, is an understandable precaution, however, withholding a firmware update issued by the manufacturer that provides either improved usability of a device, or fixes for discovered flaws seems extremely anti consumer and wrong.
I am very pro business, I don't hate the carriers, I understand what they do, and why they do it. I just don't like this 1 thing about them. Simple. I still want to know why they waste any of their resources on holding back and doing whatever to the updates before rolling them out, if they roll them out at all. If I had a GPE device or a Nexus device, they don't block the upgrades. iPhone either. (and I seriously doubt much advanced testing gets done on them by the carriers)

That is a great point at the end. IPhone. For as big as they've gotten, they don't block updates. I know people will say there aren't as many device variants etc. But most times the updates are available and carriers or specific manufactures hold them back or never release them.

AT&T blocking carrier firmware updates? Do we have any proof of this, or are we only assuming? I have heard in times past, this is what Google did to market the Android OS to the major carriers to get leaway on Apple. To make this "new" OS very appealing. To gain leverage.
1: to the device manufacturers - a free OS (or very cheep) that can be skinned to their hearts content.
2: to the carriers - to have any software installed, and not removed by customers. To have any form of limitations implemented for the sake of their business model.

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I think I should asking, when does the AT&T Note 4 get Lollipop? Next Christmas in 2015?
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It is being tested as we speak. Lollipop is a drastic code revision so they unfortunately have to make sure the "added" apps function properly. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't being released before Christmas.

What do we have here on this new update. Hi gear VR.
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It is being tested as we speak. Lollipop is a drastic code revision so they unfortunately have to make sure the "added" apps function properly. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't being released before Christmas.
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Someone, somewhere (sorry, I don't remember exactly where) had a photo of the actual (allegedly) working document with time tables and status updates from Samsung for Lollipop. It listed the Note 4, but NOT the AT&T version as "Final Testing" due in "January 15"
However, the point of this conversation is that it won't be rolled out to the carriers at the same time as the Samsung responsibility models are. So that date means very little. Well, if history serves, I seriously doubt that AT&T will release it before Samsung releases the international versions.

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Well, they like to test and quality the updates to make sure they don't enable features they don't allow or break their network. It's their network, so that's their right - as a free enterprise business in this great country we live in.
When you start your own billion dollar wireless network, you can approve updates however you see fit. Until then...
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@JasonJoel I just have to say, after reading your posts on this thread and another, I am pretty sure you are an AT&T Corp spy sent to XDA to get info and spin positive feedback for the company lol Kidding #notkidding

Lol. I can see how one might think that. But, no.
I'm not saying I like any of AT&T policies, my only point is that they have every right to do it and run their company however they want. I get annoyed when people say a business should / shouldn't be allowed to do things - too socialist for my tastes.

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Lol. I can see how one might think that. But, no.
I'm not saying I like any of AT&T policies, my only point is that they have every right to do it and run their company however they want. I get annoyed when people say a business should / shouldn't be allowed to do things - too socialist for my tastes.
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Well said sir well said I agree with you overall on that.

This VR services **** better not be always running.
God damned ****ing bull**** censor. **** is the only word that's appropriate for VR.

raduque said:
This VR services **** better not be always running.
God damned ****ing bull**** censor. **** is the only word that's appropriate for VR.
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Lol. Delete that ****e.

Marshmallow Update Confirmed- May 8th!

I was curious as to when MM would rollout to the AT&T Note 4, and the representative gave me the date May 8th, or a week from today. Good news!
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Yeah!
Can someone tell me if I can upgrade by odin?

I'd take that reps word with a very large grain of salt...
They notoriously lie. It reads like they are a not a native English speaker, so I'm going to assume offshore tech support and I doubt that they'd have exact time frames.
I'll be pleasantly surprised if it rolls out then, but I'm not holding my breath.

Well supposedly on the r/galaxynote4 subreddit, someone talked to an ATT rep and they said May 16th.
(Sauce: https://www.reddit.com/r/galaxynote4/comments/4gri24/marshmallow_is_coming_to_att_note4_on/)
Anything between the 8th and 16th would be fantastic.

SarkBlack said:
Can someone tell me if I can upgrade by odin?
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You'll have to wait until someone can get the files together... Not really sure where/how they do that though...

That somebody better get the files tho #tempted

Yea an Odin flashable MM update for the note 4 would be cool. Shame we still dont have root....

My need for root disappears with Marshmallow... My only concern is being able to sandbox apps from accessing contacts, personal info, etc. This functionality is baked into Marshmallow. Know others want it for other reasons, but for me, at least they are giving me the functionality I need. Used to not be able to back up calls, sms, mms, etc. but that functionality is available too... Used to need to backup apps, but all my apps now backup to the cloud... At least Google is giving us functionality. I read somewhere, they are trying to give people the functionality most root their devices for.

I talked to another rep and she said the MM update already went out on 3/4/16, and that the MM update slides just the Note 4's into an alternate dimension, which is probably why we haven't seen it update yet. LOL
Seriously though I would be interested to see what the MM update actually does with this device... so I guess I'll keep trying to update starting next week... or the next... or the next... or after Obama leaves offfice next year...
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I received the notification for the update but did not yet choose to download it yet.

Still waiting for 6.0.1 Odin files.....

wgraz said:
I received the notification for the update but did not yet choose to download it yet.
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Betting it's just a small security update.
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BereanPK said:
I talked to another rep and she said the MM update already went out on 3/4/16, and that the MM update slides just the Note 4's into an alternate dimension, which is probably why we haven't seen it update yet. LOL
Seriously though I would be interested to see what the MM update actually does with this device... so I guess I'll keep trying to update starting next week... or the next... or the next... or after Obama leaves offfice next year...
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You sir (or ma'am) blew my mind.
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Checked to soon because I still had a 3 hour wait. Fast forwarded my clock and it says my current software is up to date. Guess you didn't update since the last security update since there's been 2 pretty close to each other.

Fast forwarded the date to tomorrow, checked for an update; still shows system currently up to date. No MM here.
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Fast forwarded the date to tomorrow, checked for an update; still shows system currently up to date. No MM here.
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I know that works if the update is actually available at that time, but I didn't think that worked if the update hasn't been "officially" released yet. Either way, it would be the first time they released an update on a Sunday (Mothers Day no less) wouldn't it? I don't think it's legit. I've had dozens of reps tell me they aren't informed "until a few days before an update is released usually." I think we'll be without Marshmallow until I upgrade to the Note 6. Then I'll be dying to know when Nougat (whatever Android N is called) is coming. And I'll be disappointed somehow LOL.
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I know that works if the update is actually available at that time, but I didn't think that worked if the update hasn't been "officially" released yet. Either way, it would be the first time they released an update on a Sunday (Mothers Day no less) wouldn't it? I don't think it's legit. I've had dozens of reps tell me they aren't informed "until a few days before an update is released usually." I think we'll be without Marshmallow until I upgrade to the Note 6. Then I'll be dying to know when Nougat (whatever Android N is called) is coming. And I'll be disappointed somehow LOL.
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Lol oohhh sammy, why can't you be as Google is with its Google nexus flagships? Whyyyyy. [emoji390] [emoji375]
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Im finding it kinda odd that i have not taken either of the security updates but now that i reenabled the updater it shows no update and that my phone is current.... did at&t pull the security update? Or is it a prelude to mm hitting their server soon?? I have all but given up on root for the at&t variant. So i will gladly move on to the mm update and maybe it will gix some overheating issues with the oculus galaxy vr inovators edition (doubtful) but still worth a try.

giga8547 said:
Im finding it kinda odd that i have not taken either of the security updates but now that i reenabled the updater it shows no update and that my phone is current.... did at&t pull the security update? Or is it a prelude to mm hitting their server soon?? I have all but given up on root for the at&t variant. So i will gladly move on to the mm update and maybe it will gix some overheating issues with the oculus galaxy vr inovators edition (doubtful) but still worth a try.
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You use the vr? Is it really worth it? That's if you have it of course
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You use the vr? Is it really worth it? That's if you have it of course
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Yes i have the innovators edition the first unit to publicly come out and yes it is 1000% worth it the 360 stills are so realistic its like you are there. And the ammount of free video content is awesome. I can also switch it into developers mode and use all the google cardboard apps as well like roller coaster simulators. There are a few games available for it as well my favorite types of those are similar to a roller coaster except you are a pilot of a ship and u use the side touch pannel to shoot in the direction you are looking. There is also a built in vr cinima where it feels and looks like you are setting in a full fledged movie theater here you can watch 3d movies, your personal video files. There is also milk vr by samsung that has a decent content library including a little vr cartoon about a but her and a rabbit. There is a app from oculus home that jas a cool ride thru an insane aasylum called catatonic and it scares the crap outa most people i tried it on one went as far as to rip the b ead gear off and throw it luckily i cought it lol.
But to sum it up. It is awesome. You can literally go any where in the world almost like being there while standing in your living room or setting in a a swivel chair.