I need educated on a few things, I'm concerned with the performance of my phone so I have it rooted and I have installed system panel to monitor things, autokill memory optimizer for ram of course as well as watchdog to alert me if any apps are outta control. Am I crazy for having these or is it a good idea? Also is there anything better I should use rather then what I already have? I just want my phone to run smooth and my battery to last bc I use my phone all day long
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I need educated on a few things, I'm concerned with the performance of my phone so I have it rooted and I have installed system panel to monitor things, autokill memory optimizer for ram of course as well as watchdog to alert me if any apps are outta control. Am I crazy for having these or is it a good idea? Also is there anything better I should use rather then what I already have? I just want my phone to run smooth and my battery to last bc I use my phone all day long
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A lot of that is unneeded. I have System Panel, but only use it if I'm having problems with an app. Rarely is there a use for watchdog. On stable ROMs, I've never seen an app get out of control, and rarely on betas. So it justs sits in the background eating battery itself. Also try, using a stock speed, undervolted battery with SetCPU. If I'm trying to make mine last, I have a screen off profile of powersave 384/245, and regular of 700-800ish (I forget)/245 conservative.
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A lot of that is unneeded. I have System Panel, but only use it if I'm having problems with an app. Rarely is there a use for watchdog. On stable ROMs, I've never seen an app get out of control, and rarely on betas. So it justs sits in the background eating battery itself. Also try, using a stock speed, undervolted battery with SetCPU. If I'm trying to make mine last, I have a screen off profile of powersave 384/245, and regular of 700-800ish (I forget)/245 conservative.
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ok thanks, i installed setcpu and have two profiles set, one for when screen is off with settings similar to yours and another set to when my battery is >30%. could you please tell me what the governor options of on demand, userspace, or performance mean ?? also should i set priority's to anything other then the default 50 % ? thanks for the help
Whats up guys? I have a question about using the Set CPU app.
Is it really worth it to use this app? Will it actually make an improvement in my battery life?
I don't want to use this app to speed up my phone, but to make it better on battery life.
I know you can set up profiles, but I'm not sure on what good setting would be to use. Can anyone give me some insight on this?
Also I'm running the latest version on MIUI and the Tiamat kernel.
P.S. Is there better kernels to be used then Tiamat?
Thanks in advance.
also I'm running the latest version on MIUI and the Tiamat kernel.
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maybe it's just me, but am getting better bat life with the stock kernal. I ran the tiamat for a few days, switched back and it was obvious to me.
With Tiamat the default governor is smartass, which has a built in setting for when the screen is off, that only lets the phone see a max of 368640, which will save on battery life and does.
Now if you want to get into using your own profiles then an app such as Setcpu can be helpful.
I have been using this and this in place of Setcpu. It's a little faster reacting to the changes form screen off to on. Just another option.
I like the Tiamat Kernels as well as JD's Kernels. They both work well with Miui, at least on my phone anyway.
I've used Set CPU for awhile, but then got away from it. I'm back on it now since MIUI doesn't have a built in OC. I would try the two PacerguyDon suggested. I have used the andrev_oc it is fine. The second one appears to have more functions than Set CPU. Set CPU doesn't allow you to under volt if that is what you are looking for.
I saw that Set CPU is $0.99 on Amazon, if you want it. However, I would try the other two for free and donate to the one you like best.
I have been using JD's Kernel the last few days and it seems to provide better battery life than stock. I originally tried using the Smartass govenor, but had to go back to On Demand. The Smartass was causing screen wake delay when receiving a call.
I stole this from another PacerguyDon's post and it breaks down the different govenors found in most OC apps.
Govenors
Set CPU is free for XDA members. It also does allow undervolting according to their post.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505419
Hi,
actually i running CM7 XboarderMOD V3.0.1 with Kernel [email protected]#1 downclocked Wake 245/768 Ondemand Sleep 245/315. Launcher GO EX With some AddOns
Batterylife is not really good but quite ok.
Now im looking for a ROM which is more faster, or only a Kernel.
What can i try.
Since today i have a new problem: suddenly the Music player starts to play any song without request that. what the hell is wrong with this thing.
I was figuring out to try the actual ILWT-388, but not shure if its really faster.
What could increase my device speed? Whats about EXT4 or all the Kernels.
My Device is actually starting random apps without request (no idea if this is normal or not) but it runs out of Memory and i need to terminate the processes via the launcher. then i have 100/367MB RAM available. What do you think about a SWAP partition? (i use a class 10 SD Card) If swap is kindly necessary; how to install/activate it?
Hope my english is readable
Thanks for some discussions.
So far Nissl
XboarderMOD? It's pretty old honestly...
If you want CM7 you can go for a number of choices...
Personally, I've tried ILWT and EliteMod and they're both excellent.
ILWT is absolutely amazing because you can customize it before installing, and being able to do that is absolutely essential for people who go back and forth through ROM's. It also has plenty of memory free (I always have close to 150MB free when idle), and is very, very, VERY fast.
For EliteMod, I honestly haven't tested it nearly as much but it has great battery life if you take advantage of all the tips the dev offers. It's also in the same league with ILWT when it comes to speed.
To increase speed, I'd go with SuperCharger V6 using the SuperMinFree Calculator's settings. (Go to the Cust-OOM-izer, it will prompt if you want to use them there)
One other thing I've tried was "Sick Speed Tweaks". It is pretty nifty, here it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1267945
Lastly...swap, if anything, is going to degrade your battery life and SDCard lifespan (quite drastically in some cases). It's a BAD idea to use it, even on a Sense 3.X ROM, much less for a CM7 one, which already has tons of RAM free.
i Thank you so much bro.
i want to try ILWT first then on my second G2 the EliteMod.
I post my experience later.
Thanks again.
One Question: Which launcher should i try for enjoy most speed?
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One Question: Which launcher should i try for enjoy most speed?
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LAuncherPro or zeam launcher! The best in my opinion!
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I use ADW EX (paid version). It's totally worth it as it's really smooth, and is theme-able. If you don't want to pay I guess what you're already using (GoLauncherEX) and the above suggestions are quite nice.
So here again.
Im running ILWT 388b and its ok, the ram problem is gone, for now.
One simple question. Im setting with "ILWT CM7 Settings " the CPU clock to Ondemand 245/576 MHZ but it will not hold these settings. It sets to 245/1113 by itself.
Anyone an idea to prevent this?
You can use Clock Daemons, like CPU Tuner or SetCPU, it works wonders
Here are 2 Clock settings in the Menu in the CM7 Settings and in ILWT Tools.
My problem could be that the two menu have a conflict. Settings i set seems to reset by itself (the other setting menu?)
I already tried it with edit the configurationfile manually. Seems that is not working, too.
Should i edit the OC-Kernel setting conf?
i dont know what to do, cause i don't really want to install another SetCPU app or something. =)
now the settings with the config file from ILWT tools are:
Wake 245760/768000 conservative
sleep 245760/245760 conservative
charge 245760/1017600 ondemand
temp 245760/768000 conservative
battery 245760/768000 conservative
I think it scales higher than 768mhz because i got every time more than 2000points with Quadrant, same if i set the OC to Ondemand till 1GHZ.
LAuncherPro is fastest launcher i had (including GO Launcher and ADW launcher) .. It´s simplier than other two, but much faster.
Since ktoonsez lets you choose from a myriad of CPU governors and IO tweaks. Since their are so many and i for one have not found a list that explains every option this kernel offers.
So i am asking what you use if you do? and what do you think about the ones i use for my Daily Driver setting, I play games lightly I steam audio frequently and want good battery life (if it lasts all day with maybe 3-4 hours screen time) and can still run most games i am happy. So far With my Current Settings its been good to me although i have yet to put it though some heavy use.
For CPU governor I use "Scary"
ans i use the "vr" IO tweaks
I have similar usage habits as you do, however I don't use KT's kernel. I am using LeanKernel and am easily getting a full day's battery with nearly always 4hrs of screen on time. For me, since I am working on something atm and flashing a lot lately, I use Interactive/SIO as it has always been good to me. I know there are plenty of other Gov/Schs out there and I will settle on one (once I settle on a ROM for more than a week-lol).
Anyways, if you want to read more about Governors and Schedulers, you can go here and click the Hide parses to give you a bit more info.
Hi all,
I am proud to be a small silent part of this community and to see how much the Galaxy W has grown due to the collective work of our members. I feel like the phone has damn near doubled it's value now with all the custom ROMs, kernels, tweaks, etc, etc that have been implemented in such a short time. Really, I can't see how this phone could be any faster! That being said I feel their is a void in resources dedicated to focusing on battery life while still retaining acceptable speed.
Moving on to Kernel 3.X has really brought great features and speed to our phone, but at the cost of extreme battery loss. It's early on in it's development, so I think there is room for improvement. I have noticed that members are starting to complain about battery life and I for one agree that this is a problem. I wanted to open a forum where we could collect ideas here so our precious phones could ideally make it through the day (or at least a half of a day!).
Anyway, I hope this will be a good jumping off point for discussing. I only ask if members could refrain from the old, "Just change the battery!" unless the user is reporting the battery is more pregnant then a Kardashian sporting twins.
Ideas
Some ideas to post about
ROM
Kernel
Governor
I/O SCHEDULERS
Tweaks
Apps
It would really help if contribute ideas on how to improve our battery life even for just a little.
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I've had some success using conservative + row.
I'm really hoping to find a kernel that has more optimized conservative governors. Anyone have any tweaked conservative governor experience? I was looking at Scary or Lion heart, etc?
Btw I'm on RC 6 + Chronos kernel.
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I've had some success using conservative + row.
I'm really hoping to find a kernel that has more optimized conservative governors. Anyone have any tweaked conservative governor experience? I was looking at Scary or Lion heart, etc?
Btw I'm on RC 6 + Chronos kernel.
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I'm going to try Governor: Conservative. Is it better than SmartassV2? Anyway, I'm going to find out, just finishing the charge to 100%. I'm gonna test on CM10 Alpha 6 + Athena Kernel. Will report back after draining.
Okey bro, im using smartassv2 with athena on cm10. I'll post my observation here.
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Btw how much brightness are u guys using?
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I'd love to get a CM9 or CM10 RC7 with 2.6 kernel along with a kernel 3.0 version for people who loves kernel 3.0
I am not asking to develop 2.6 kernel further. Previous 2.6 kernel is very good, but we need a ROM (base updated/sources updated) which can support 2.6 kernel fully. 2.6 Kernel was giving me much better battery life compared to kernel 3.
i tried flashing respective 2.6 kernels on CM9 and CM10 RC6. It seems to work fine but if i plug the usb cable to pc then all memory cards get unmounted. ie.. i can't copy files to phone or vice verse. I hope arco gives us a updated source for 2.6 kernel with RC7 release..
My suggestions for better battery life:
1. First thing first: make sure your battery is not dying; if it's bulging, replace it immediately.
2. Use a kernel that's undervolt-able. I use ICS, and Yoon.Kernel is perfect for me.
2a. Then, undervolt your phone. The Incredicontrol app is usually compatible with the method used by your kernel. Or, read the kernel's thread to find out which app to use.
3. Use Greenify (app) to 'hibernate' apps you don't need to run in the background at all times.
4. If you have the money (and can purchase apps via the Play), purchase "Autostarter" and disable apps' starting points. You should focus on the "After Startup" and "Connection Changed" events.
5. Every now and then, while the phone is on, turn off all data connection (wifi or 2G/3G), turn off sync, and let your phone charge to 100% *and* keep charging for awhile (trickle charging, 1-2 hours should be enough), then let the battery drain until your phone shuts down (by using it normally). Let the phone cool down, plug it into the charger, and power it on, and let it charge until 100% again.
6. Use BetterBatteryStats regularly to find apps consuming too much power and/or holding wakelocks too often; complain to the app maker, and replace it if the maker won't/can't change it.
7. Remember to turn off wifi and/or use 2G only mode when you're no longer using them.
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Pep, with full respect to your suggestions that are legit, but this can´t fix the battery drain issue CM9 is having with it´s new 3.X kernel.
They all will reduce the battery drain of course,but wont bring it down to the level you will reach with 2.6 kernel.
I´m still not sure what exactly is causing this, but in my case it´s for sure not my batteries nor other apps causing this.
As I already posted in the Bug report threat, I now flashed RC6 by going totally pristine. Formated both SD Cards and whiped everything, just installed BatteryMonitorWidget to control the battery drain. It´s twice as hight in DeepSleep compared to RC2 and RC3 with it´s old 2.6 kernel.
So first of all we need to narrow down what exactly is causing this.
Therefore I suggest to install first the BatteryMonitorWidget to comapare our results and to share the settings whe have changed after installing RC6 the pristine way.
First my configuration:
1. SDCards swapped
2. Dithering disabled
3. 16-bit Transparency enabled
4. Freeing up resurces enabled
5. Kernel sample Merging enabled
6. Zram disabled
7. default governor and scheduler
8. Syncing Accounts disabled
9. Updates and notifications in GooglePlay disabled
10. Wlan and MobileData disabled
11. Baseband XXLMB
My results with 2.6 Kernel are:
~16mA at daytime in DeepSleep
~ 5-8mA at night in DeepSleep
with kernel 3.x
constantly ~35 - 50mA in DeepSleep
and I checked it´s really in DeepSleep Mode.
So it looks like the radio is consuming more power while keeping the phone connected with the radiostation while the phone is in DeepSleep.
but....
I once also tested hadi´s 1.6 yoon Kernel with RC2, which is basing on Arcos RC2 kernel. By using the Ondemand govarnor in his kernel to compare the battery consumprion against Arcos Ondemand governor, hadis Ondemand governor also comsumed more than Arcos Ondemand Governor. With his OndemandX givernor the consumption was pretty much the same like with Arcos Ondemand.
So maybe it´s also something that changed in Arcos ondemand governor in 3.x kernel.
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Pep, with full respect to your suggestions that are legit, but this can´t fix the battery drain issue CM9 is having with it´s new 3.X kernel.
They all will reduce the battery drain of course,but wont bring it down to the level you will reach with 2.6 kernel.
I´m still not sure what exactly is causing this, but in my case it´s for sure not my batteries nor other apps causing this.
As I already posted in the Bug report threat, I now flashed RC6 by going totally pristine. Formated both SD Cards and whiped everything, just installed BatteryMonitorWidget to control the battery drain. It´s twice as hight in DeepSleep compared to RC2 and RC3 with it´s old 2.6 kernel.
So first of all we need to narrow down what exactly is causing this.
Therefore I suggest to install first the BatteryMonitorWidget to comapare our results and to share the settings whe have changed after installing RC6 the pristine way.
First my configuration:
1. SDCards swapped
2. Dithering disabled
3. 16-bit Transparency enabled
4. Freeing up resurces enabled
5. Kernel sample Merging enabled
6. Zram disabled
7. default governor and scheduler
8. Syncing Accounts disabled
9. Updates and notifications in GooglePlay disabled
10. Wlan and MobileData disabled
11. Baseband XXLMB
My results with 2.6 Kernel are:
~16mA at daytime in DeepSleep
~ 5-8mA at night in DeepSleep
with kernel 3.x
constantly ~35 - 50mA in DeepSleep
and I checked it´s really in DeepSleep Mode.
So it looks like the radio is consuming more power while keeping the phone connected with the radiostation while the phone is in DeepSleep.
but....
I once also tested hadi´s 1.6 yoon Kernel with RC2, which is basing on Arcos RC2 kernel. By using the Ondemand govarnor in his kernel to compare the battery consumprion against Arcos Ondemand governor, hadis Ondemand governor also comsumed more than Arcos Ondemand Governor. With his OndemandX givernor the consumption was pretty much the same like with Arcos Ondemand.
So maybe it´s also something that changed in Arcos ondemand governor in 3.x kernel.
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Ah, I misunderstood the intent of this thread, then, my bad :banghead:
Hmmm... I'm willing to do some experiment... but there are several apps called "Better Battery Widgets"... which one?
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i don't know how will you classify my battery life because for me if the battery is enough to last at least for 8-9hours(hours spent in college) then i call it good enough
i use athena with no UV.
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1 think usually done wrong in forum i'm following is they're using task killer or app to manage their free ram. this app is THE REAL BATTERY KILLER. they stop needed service and make your phone awake . not to mention the choppyness because the os needs to restart services and many bad effect it causes
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Ah, I misunderstood the intent of this thread, then, my bad :banghead:
Hmmm... I'm willing to do some experiment... but there are several apps called "Better Battery Widgets"... which one?
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Oh I see there are several apps out now using the same name.
I´m using this BatteryMonitor Widget from 3C.
So when using it:
1. Do not recalibrate the battery as it will otherwise need much more time to show you accurate readings.
2. The App needs at least one or two charging cycles to recalibrate itself (not the battery) as it needs to determinate the exact capacity of your battery.
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i don't know how will you classify my battery life because for me if the battery is enough to last at least for 8-9hours(hours spent in college) then i call it good enough
i use athena with no UV.
gov lulzactive 245-1024 scheduler row io
1 think usually done wrong in forum i'm following is they're using task killer or app to manage their free ram. this app is THE REAL BATTERY KILLER. they stop needed service and make your phone awake . not to mention the choppyness because the os needs to restart services and many bad effect it causes
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Hm well I´m used to recharge my battery every 3 to 5 days because it´s most of time in DeepSleep Mode. I´m just doing calls and surf the net in my breaks at work. So only turning on MobileData if it´s needed. At home I´m having my PC for surfing the net, so MobileData and WLAN is disabled as well.
With RC4 my battery drain was so high it even wouldn´t last as long till I´m back home from work. With RC6 i think it would last at least 12 to 18 hours, but it´s still a huge difference compared to the RC´s with it´s 2.6 Kernel.
Agree with you about using such apps like Task Killer or scripts like V6 Supercharger. They all need extra CPU time to do their jobs and often are causing more problems than they are solving.The Android OS can manage such things better itself and terminate unneeded services itself too.
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Additionally you can use BetterBatteryStats in case your phone is keeping a long time active to see what is causing this. It´s free for XDA members.
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My results with 2.6 Kernel are:
~16mA at daytime in DeepSleep
~ 5-8mA at night in DeepSleep
with kernel 3.x
constantly ~35 - 50mA in DeepSleep
and I checked it´s really in DeepSleep Mode.
So it looks like the radio is consuming more power while keeping the phone connected with the radiostation while the phone is in DeepSleep.
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I can testify to this, my BBS shows the phone going into deep sleep normally but the drain with data on is immense even in deep sleep. Your initial findings already point to the most likely source of the problem. Given the varying opinions on this(some say it's fine I others don't agree), is it possible we have the same device but different hardware revisions, some of which are much more power-friendly than others? Because for the life of me I couldn't NEVER anything more than a day from kernel 3.x(CM10) but some people claim they could get upto 3-4 days on light use!
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I don´t think it has something to do with different hardware revisions, else it wouldn´t matter which kernel is in use. But it does.
There is for sure something strange going on. I´ve additionally installed BetterBatteryStats and now the phone started keeping very often in awake mode. Not sure this has something to do with this app, because it didn´t happen when I had it installed on an older CM9 release.
However I can´t find any suspicious processes that are causing this. But to be sure I will have to go back to RC2 to compare with.
So here my results:
Within of 5 hours it keept Awake for 25 minutes.
BBS also says NO Data Connection and No or Unknown SIgnal during that time
But I´m sure it was connected to the radiostation and made a short testcall.
About wakelocks:
KernelWakelocks:
"mmc0_detect" 4m 32s
"DPRAM" 3m 11s
"alarm_rtc" 2m 21s
"PowerManagerService" 1m 36s
"radio-interface" 1m 10s
"alarm" 36s
"mmc1_detect" 13s
Partial Wakelocks:
AlarmManager 44s 997 Counts
GSM 20s 4 Counts
ActivityManager-Launch 18s 104 Counts
sleep_broadcast 4s 23 Counts
RILJ 2s 146 Counts
*backup* 1s 109 Counts
NotificationService 1s 113 Counts
Ok I´m back to RC2 and am having some results from BBS to compare with.
After fully charging the battery I unplugged the phone and left it over night at the same place I´m always leaving. So the conditions were the same like with RC6, though in RC6 there were no apps exept BatteryMonitorWidget and BetterBattery Stats installed.
To make it short the results are nearly identical. Even the Awake time is almost identical in a period of 5 hours.
There is also the No or unknown Signal entry for the whole time. So I guess this is due to the MobileData being disabled.
But what I´m missing in RC2 is "mmc0_detect" and "mmc1_detect" in the Kernel Wakelocks. They are not showing up there.
So now we need some other results to compare with my results.
Been using this phone for 1 and half year now..is it normal to have a battery life of 5 hours with 3G on? Currently using cm10
I think the 3.0 kernel really makes a big difference in a negative way in regards to the battery life.
To fight against this, I have used the following settings for some success:
Conservative + Row... still very fluid with Yoon Chronos
245 - 1024 MHz
Screen off after 30 secs
Under volt
Its much better than before, but still I would like more battery life. Probably 8 hours with heavy use up to 16 hours lite.
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Agree on that. I tried now RC6 together with hadis chronos kernel and the consumption is the same like with Arcos 3.x kernel.
The "mmc0_detect" and "mmc1_detect" entries also appear with hadis chronos kernel. Not sure they are responsible for it, but they didn´t appear with 2.6 kernel.
So what I can say for sure it´s not the governor but something else in the 3.x kernel and so far these mmc detect entries are under suspicion.
First of all, sorry for not testing against the two kernels; there's a major project going on in my office, and I totally can't risk to be offline... plus with the random times I'll receive calls, the battery usage might be skewed...
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Agree on that. I tried now RC6 together with hadis chronos kernel and the consumption is the same like with Arcos 3.x kernel.
The "mmc0_detect" and "mmc1_detect" entries also appear with hadis chronos kernel. Not sure they are responsible for it, but they didn´t appear with 2.6 kernel.
So what I can say for sure it´s not the governor but something else in the 3.x kernel and so far these mmc detect entries are under suspicion.
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I did some Google search and arrived at the following thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1827676
scroll down to the second post. The OP of that thread noticed that mmcX_detect will utilize a lot of wakelocks if the SD Card is defective.
Since the battery drain issue with kernel 3.0 does not seem to happen to everyone, could people experiencing such drain try the experiments without an SD Card being installed?
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No problem pep. I need my phone too during the week, so only can do some tests at the weekend.
So to narrow down this problem we need to know how it works without a SD Card installed and if all who are having this issue are having the SD Cards swapped.