The two devices to which I can compare the wifi performance are a nexus 7 flo and an Lg G2. It seems that areas in my house where I normally get decent signal strength with the other two devices I am barely connected with the tab pro. Is anyone else getting poor wifi performance with this tablet? Maybe I just need to move my surfboard to the center of my house?
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Yes very poor... I had the nexus 7 and a note 3 both perfect in my room. This drops and goes from 3 to 0.
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I'm hoping that once some developers, hopefully, jump on this device wifi will be one of the issues resolved. Here's hoping it's not hardware related. It's really my only complaint about the device.
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So i did some looking around on ye olde interwebs today. There is nothing mentioned anywhere yet concerning this(probably way too early) . I may call Bestbuy tomorrow and ask if they've had any calls/questions/returns related to this.
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my wifi has been outstanding. actually better then my gtab was. full bars still on the second floor streaming hulu.
Yea not so much don't even have it in a case and I get like 2 bars where my phone is full bars
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So I downloaded Wifi signal strength from the play store. Sitting in the same spot, the signal dbm and linkspeed are reading roughly the same as my G2. Data download speeds on the G2, though, are reading about twice what the tab is seeing. Can anyone explain this? G2 is reading around - 82 to - 86 dbm and tab around - 79 to - 82 dbm.
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I just got the Tab Pro 8.4 yesterday and I too am getting very poor connection. I was going to return my Nexus 7 2013 today but I'm having second thoughts now. I love the screen real estate on the Tab Pro but unless I'm in the same room where the router is at I get horrible connection. Both devices running 4.4 but the Nexus 7 has no connection issues. Tried every possible fix to no avail . Other than that I have absolutely NO complaints about this tablet. From screen resolution to performance, this Tab Pro rocks!!!!!!
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Hello. Iv'e had my tab pro 8.4 2 weeks now absolutely no wi- fi issues at all great signal anywhere in house and outside too.
I have 2 netgear 6300 routers one is used for main network and the other is used as a bridge switch and I have a motorola cable modem which I own system combination works great. My netgear 6300 routers are a,b,g,n and ac if you know what that is.The Samsung Tab Pro .4 is also a,b,g,n and AC capable many other brand tablets are not AC capable I hope you know what AC is.
I suggest you buy some better routers and a seperate modem. Then you will probably have much better wi-fi reception. If you have a modem router combination build in one unit throw it away it will never give you the wi-fi reception you expect unless you are right next to it.
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I just got the Tab Pro 8.4 yesterday and I too am getting very poor connection. I was going to return my Nexus 7 2013 today but I'm having second thoughts now. I love the screen real estate on the Tab Pro but unless I'm in the same room where the router is at I get horrible connection. Both devices running 4.4 but the Nexus 7 has no connection issues. Tried every possible fix to no avail . Other than that I have absolutely NO complaints about this tablet. From screen resolution to performance, this Tab Pro rocks!!!!!!
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I know a lot about WiFi and it has nothing to do with my equipment. I have an airport extreme new version and also a Linksys bridged upstairs through a power line Ethernet kit. All my devices are fine except this one. Not saying the speed is slow just low signal where other devices are full..... The speed is fine just weak signal
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I know a lot about WiFi and it has nothing to do with my equipment. I have an airport extreme new version and also a Linksys bridged upstairs through a power line Ethernet kit. All my devices are fine except this one. Not saying the speed is slow just low signal where other devices are full..... The speed is fine just weak signal
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Take it back and exchange it, see if a new one has the same problem.
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I know a lot about WiFi and it has nothing to do with my equipment. I have an airport extreme new version and also a Linksys bridged upstairs through a power line Ethernet kit. All my devices are fine except this one. Not saying the speed is slow just low signal where other devices are full..... The speed is fine just weak signal
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In my extensive history with Samsung devices, some will show more/less bars than others. But they will achieve the same or similar up/down speeds when tested. A while back I read a post (I think it was on the Sprint S4) by an electrical engineer who actually ran some tests on two devices side by side. IIRC, the result was the devices were receiving the same amount of signal, but one of them showed less bars.
So if you're not noticing lower speeds, it's likely that this device has a higher threshold for showing signal strength in bars.
I've discovered something interesting about the WiFI issues. I too had problems with the WiFi on my Tab Pro 8.4. Most of the time when I woke it up the WiFi would not work and I had to turn it off and on again. Over the weekend I purchased a new Airport Extreme to replace my older one and no I do not have this problem anymore. I am not connected via AC instead of A/B/G or N. I just thought it was interesting.
I have a Galaxy S4 and the Tab Pro 8.4 wifi signal in the same house locations is far weaker. I don't get any signal in house locations where my S4 is fine.
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Mine is fine until I hold it from the bottom left corner. I lose close to 18 dBm by holding it from there
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I have done some tests using 2 different acces points. (on 6 different locations with variable coverage) (each time 5 tests and took the average)
I compared my S3 with the tab pro and the resulst were very close. (3dBm at most)
I haven't really been paying attention to it before, but for as far as I know wifi is fine here.
BTW: Left bottom corner doesn't make any difference for me.
So a little update. I went and replaced mine and the new unit has the exact same issue.
I live in Canada and we only have the white one available here. Don't know if that makes a difference
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I was going to go back to the NEXUS 7 because of the wifi issues but man this tablet is amazing!! So I decided to return it for another device and I guess I must have gotten a lemon for the first one(Which for me, Samsung has always been great), because I have no wifi issues at all . This tablet is by far the best one I've owned, from performance to especially screen resolution!!!
I had my Kindle fire hdx 8.9 and my LG Optimus g pro phone along with the tab pro 8.9 at the hospital and the tab pro could not connect due to signal strenth. Both my phone and the Kindle had no trouble what so ever and happily played Netflix and browsed the web. I am also having an issue where the tab pro disconnects from my wifi and reconnects every so often even in the middle of my using it for games or browsing. Intolerable behavior from a premium tablet.
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So a little update. I went and replaced mine and the new unit has the exact same issue.
I live in Canada and we only have the white one available here. Don't know if that makes a difference
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I have a black 8.4, and I can second your -15 dbm when I hold the bottom left corner. I loaded wifi fixer and can watch the difference...One room away from my router and typically run -53 dbm, but when I hold the tab with my palm covering the bottom corner, I am around -68dbm. Hmmm.... other than that, and coming from the 7.7, I love this tab.
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Hello Le Pro3 users.
I am making this thread to inform anyone that may be willing to downgrade to a OP3T that they really shouldn't. Now, I've tested both phones a bit and I can safely say for mobile and WiFi performance on the Left Pro3 is drastically better than the OP3T. For example, I've attached to screenshots of WiFi performance for both devices, without a case, side by side on a flat surface. This is in the room furthest away from my router in my house.
You can see in the screenshots that the LePro3 consistently holds onto a signal much better than the OP3T in all scenarios. This shows that my phone (if my ISP had these speeds) can pull up to 520mbps over WiFi ac. In the same spot, the OP3T gets 32mbps (pitiful!). Meanwhile the LTE signal is also more consistent on the LePro3 whereas the signal reading is on average 10dBm better with a noticeably better SNR (signal to noise ratio.) This means speed-wise over LTE and on fringe signals, the LePro3 is a better device in the LTE department (I also couldn't get CA working on the LePro3 for T-Mobile.)
Something else I noticed is that MMS on the device is a real problem. Adjusting APNs and having to turn off WiFi to receive MMS was a hassle. WiFi calling was also inconsistent, often cutting out during talking. I haven't had this issue with the LePro3.
Bluetooth is the last part I had issues with. I use Android Auto in my car which requires a physical connection + Bluetooth but for whatever reason my Bluetooth would not connect in my car, unless I power cycled my car system or re-added my OP3T in the settings of my car...Very tedious.
OP3T does have great battery life, but the Pro3 is better. I will say that OP3T has better dev support and that's really the only thing it has going for it. The 2GB difference in ram is negligible since you won't run out of RAM with 4GB anyways before the power saving steps kick in.
Just figured I'd share. I'm going to list my OP3T on Swappa shortly.
Op3t has nougat and better stock os
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Op3t has nougat and better stock os
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Nougat is nice and I agree that their stock OS is great, but the stock OS is subjective. I've gotten quite accustomed to EUI (although I still prefer AOSP.). It's just a different user interface.
That said, I'd take great wireless performance over a pretty OS any day. ?
I've been holding onto my LePro 3 also. It's a great phone and has everything I need in a phone. The Snapdragon 821 is clocked higher on the LePro 3. It's the ONLY non-AT&T branded phone that supports VoLTD/HDVoice on their network. The battery life is fantastic. Love the CDLA headphones.
Agree. Bought this LePro3 on a lark when it went on Flash Sale on US store. Compared to my S7 Edge and recently acquired OPT3, I find myself using the LeEco more than the others due to the speed, fluidity and battery life. Everything just works and the hardware is very premium.
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This....
https://forum.xda-developers.com/le-pro3/how-to/le-pro-3-vs-oneplus-3t-speedtest-t3510870
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Agree. Bought this LePro3 on a lark when it went on Flash Sale on US store. Compared to my S7 Edge and recently acquired OPT3, I find myself using the LeEco more than the others due to the speed, fluidity and battery life. Everything just works and the hardware is very premium.
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My experience exactly as well. If I was looking at buying one or the other I suppose I would maybe get a 3T. But after having a LP3 and using it since launch I'd happily keep it. I don't think I'd even trade for a 3T. Especially with the ROM support that the LP3 has already. Resurrection Remix (using currently and LOVING)! CM, Slim, MIUI, 7.1 AOSP, various highly tweaked and optimized Eui builds. Not really any software advantage as long as you're a flasher. Better battery life, same speed. Only thing I don't like is low light shots are pretty bad. Bezels could be smaller too but not that bad.
It's much cheaper so those are very acceptable trade offs IMO.
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Hello Le Pro3 users.
I am making this thread to inform anyone that may be willing to downgrade to a OP3T that they really shouldn't. Now, I've tested both phones a bit and I can safely say for mobile and WiFi performance on the Left Pro3 is drastically better than the OP3T. For example, I've attached to screenshots of WiFi performance for both devices, without a case, side by side on a flat surface. This is in the room furthest away from my router in my house.
You can see in the screenshots that the LePro3 consistently holds onto a signal much better than the OP3T in all scenarios. This shows that my phone (if my ISP had these speeds) can pull up to 520mbps over WiFi ac. In the same spot, the OP3T gets 32mbps (pitiful!). Meanwhile the LTE signal is also more consistent on the LePro3 whereas the signal reading is on average 10dBm better with a noticeably better SNR (signal to noise ratio.) This means speed-wise over LTE and on fringe signals, the LePro3 is a better device in the LTE department (I also couldn't get CA working on the LePro3 for T-Mobile.)
Something else I noticed is that MMS on the device is a real problem. Adjusting APNs and having to turn off WiFi to receive MMS was a hassle. WiFi calling was also inconsistent, often cutting out during talking. I haven't had this issue with the LePro3.
Bluetooth is the last part I had issues with. I use Android Auto in my car which requires a physical connection + Bluetooth but for whatever reason my Bluetooth would not connect in my car, unless I power cycled my car system or re-added my OP3T in the settings of my car...Very tedious.
OP3T does have great battery life, but the Pro3 is better. I will say that OP3T has better dev support and that's really the only thing it has going for it. The 2GB difference in ram is negligible since you won't run out of RAM with 4GB anyways before the power saving steps kick in.
Just figured I'd share. I'm going to list my OP3T on Swappa shortly.
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That's why I'm keeping my x720. Never loses wifi signal quality in bed (my bed is in a corner which is horribly placed to hinder wifi signals). Never had an issue with bluetooth or connectivity though.
I'd say only departments in which Le-Pro 3 lacks is camera quality & OS. Though alot of people here are accostmed to EMUI, MIUI so EUI wont be a problem for them. I'm just a google-play guy so CM fits the definition for me. Thank you for making me thankful for my Le Pro 3.
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Nougat is nice and I agree that their stock OS is great, but the stock OS is subjective. I've gotten quite accustomed to EUI (although I still prefer AOSP.). It's just a different user interface.
That said, I'd take great wireless performance over a pretty OS any day.
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This!~
xposed + Android N-ify makes me forget about other features which are hardly used.
Tikerz said:
I've been holding onto my LePro 3 also. It's a great phone and has everything I need in a phone. The Snapdragon 821 is clocked higher on the LePro 3. It's the ONLY non-AT&T branded phone that supports VoLTD/HDVoice on their network. The battery life is fantastic. Love the CDLA headphones.
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CDLA output is one of the main features why I preferred this phone despite being awe-inducing-ly cheap for what it offers!.
is it an x720 or x727?
i read about huawei mate series that has stronger signal with the chinese version over international one...what i want to say is that maybe they limit SAR value with international version over the chinese one( x720 ).
Anyway we are talking about different phones and it's difficult talk about SAR values, i have an x720 and i'm happy with signal strength of wifi and lte.
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is it an x720 or x727?
i read about huawei mate series that has stronger signal with the chinese version over international one...what i want to say is that maybe they limit SAR value with international version over the chinese one( x720 ).
Anyway we are talking about different phones and it's difficult talk about SAR values, i have an x720 and i'm happy with signal strength of wifi and lte.
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I do know the Hauwei mate series are excellent phones. My buddy has a Mate 9 and it's phenomenal. I've seen it trounce his iPhone 7+ in a round of speed tests (not benchmarks but actual app opening, scrolling through gallery etc). That's tough to do, as boring and limited as iPhones are, they're still very fast.
The camera on it is killer too. But it's over twice the price of a Le Pro for a shred extra speed and better camera. Not worth it IMO unless you can afford it easily and need that extra 0.03 seconds faster app opening.
Btw it was just said in the news that LeEco has apparently been sneaking industry secrets from Hauwei among others.... Maybe some Mate DNA in our phones already
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This!~
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Did this not cause you any trouble? Did you have it on stock ROM? I tried it on my 727 with TurboRom and it soft-bricked it because it couldn't handle the notifications style.
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Did this not cause you any trouble? Did you have it on stock ROM? I tried it on my 727 with TurboRom and it soft-bricked it because it couldn't handle the notifications style.
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I'm running on CyanogenMod 13 (Team Superluminal). There are no issues. EUI has its own notification display problem so I decided to move on. Plus, EUI is not my thing, I'm AOSP kinda guy.
By the way guys, with CUSTOM ROM on this phone, does Android Pay works? I used AP most of the time, thats why I am having a hard time flashing custom ROMS, my one plus 3 works even with the CM before. Thanks for any input
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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
Background
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Firstly, some background: I bought my first Samsung and first Note, the Note 2 and thoroughly loved the device. I've had every Note except the Note 1, Note 4 (used the Google Nexus 6 which I still have) and the Note 9 (used a OnePlus 7 Pro, which I still have). I absolutely love the Note series with the large beautiful screen, excellent cameras and of course the Pen.
So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
What I don't like or care for the most about the 7 Pro is the ugly rounded corners (besides the mediocre camera). I've always loved the square(er) corners of the Note. And when I saw the Note 10+ in a store recently and touched it, I had to have one. I got it in 3 days and wow what a sight to behold! The screen is just absolutely heavenly.
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I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
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The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
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Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
I was blown away going from the garbage radios on the Note 8 to the amazing radios on the OnePlus 7 Pro. Absolutely never any cell or WiFi issues, ever. I figured that since the radios on the Qualcomm chips get more powerful every year, that the Note 10+ would be a giant step up from the radios on the Note 8. Boy was I wrong.
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That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
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Samsung has also chosen to cripple listening to music also. Just even touching the EQ one tick above the -0- line and the volume is literally cut in half. Good luck trying to listen to headphones with any kind of volume. If you go just one tick below the -0- line, then the volume gets cut about a quarter. So half of the half. Samsung does this to "protect your hearing" so that you don't listen to music too loudly.
My OnePlus 7 is not like that with the same EQ and same Dolby Atmos. The volume barely wavers at all while adjusting the EQ, and the sound is loud and it actually sounds significantly better than my Note 10.
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I have two devices with virtually identical hardware. One works as it should with excellent Cell and WiFi signal and great EQ sound, while the other is being crippled to protect the user from too much RF radiation or too loud of sound.
Samsung has become like Apple: restricting or constricting how you use your devices. Now if you live in a large city where you are surrounded by cell towers and WiFi everywhere, then you'll likely not notice much of the cell signal or WiFi issue. Those of us who live in smaller cities or towns where the coverage is more sparse, we need that extra radio power that Qualcomm already provides so that our devices do what they are first and foremost intended to do: be a working phone.
I am very upset and disappointed to see Samsung has crippled these devices all in the name of "protecting the end user". So as much as I would love to have that gorgeous screen with me all the time, I'm going to have to settle for my 7 Pro: a device that actually works and isn't being crippled. That also teaches me to never buy a Samsung device again for the foreseeable future, if ever again.
I'd love to see a class-action lawsuit against Samsung for crippling their devices. These things are the most expensive Android devices on the planet. They should not have anything crippled on them for that price.
Well, that may be your experience, I travel a lot by car and, only in some really isolated areas is where I loose signal, you see, It is very different for everyone, I use cellphones since 1990, and I have seen a lot
I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.
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I've had several brands of phones over the years.. recently every Samsung device I have bought (galaxy s8+, s9+, note 10+) only had signal issues due to insufficient carrier coverage.
None of the phones had issues of signal crippling. I have had Motorola, Nokia, iPhone, Samsung devices and outside of a phone having manufacturer defect (or bad antenna placement) they all worked the same signal and performance wise. Only the carrier i was using and how well they covered my area was what impacted signal quality.
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Exactly, carrier coverage/quality is what almost always determine how well you can use a device, just in some few cases, hadware or software, underperform or are sub-par
I completely agree with this, that's why root was so important to fix things.
Samsung and apple are basically the same in controlling their hardware and software, one just gets more flak for it and I don't see Samsung changing because people don't have other devices, they buy only Samsung like people only buy apple.
They have their set market and try to do the best they can so they don't get sued.
My one plus is way better at everything than my n10+5g except for camera, but I hate how ugly oneplus phones are so it's sticks to 3rd line backup duties behind my Xperia .
About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?
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About cell signal : I agree that they have to comply to safety regulations, but since it's 2 W/kg here, why the device only make 0.187 if they are authorized to do more for a better signal ?
Or maybe i don't understand how it isv actually working?
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Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.
The fact is: the phones use whatever power needs to connect within certain regulated limits, that's it, the carriers are the ones that have the more difficult task in providing the signal as best as possible, which is indeed somewhat complicated for some geographical situations
Hardware and none optimized firmware in general have an impact on the quality of the phone signal, (modem, antenna and others) and off coarse some apps running in the background of the phone. Nevertheless, it's minimal in comparison to the impact caused by the carriers network regulations, network bands assignment, cell towers distance and users traffic. the unsubstantiated claim that Samsung is deliberately crippling our phones signal strange, is nonsense! (It didn't stop Apple from slowing down some old iPhones, not theirs signal)
Exactly itzik
You guys are trying to rationalize and keep buying Samsungs constraints.
Like I said. My Xperia and OnePlus has better signal and is louder, especially speaker and Bluetooth music than my n10+, my note 9 is rooted so viper4android helps but its signal and call quality has always been the worst.
I carry 3 phones with me, needless to say the ones I need for talk with clarity are not my note10+
It's a shame really that other manufacturers have the exact same signal and loudness constraints Samsung does but can achieve more refinement all the while being smaller than Samsung at that
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Do you suppose that wireless radios use perpetual motion engines to output as much power as you want for free? Or, perhaps does the battery have to provide that power? The likely answer for why they limit the output power so much is that high output kills your battery. Then people would be complaining about poor on-time for the phone. So, they have a delicate line to walk here. You want enough power that the phone works but you want low enough power that it doesn't eat the battery in 3 hours. Also, recently quite a few drooling idiots have gotten up in arms about how wireless radiation causes all manner of ailments. So, I'll bet they'd not like to be known as the manufacturer who gives people brain cancer, ruined cakes, rain on your birthday, sterility, the walking farts, and foul smelling discharges.
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No I suppose that if the limit is 2, make it use 2 for the sake of having signal in bad coverage areas (like where I live because of the metal roof of the train station nearby [official statement about why signal is bad]), and not 0.187 max.
Make it dynamically use less when in call by the use of proximity sensor if it detects your body, or something like that, and use its full potential for tethering or when nothing is detected by the proximity sensor (for tethering by example) or at home because you can charge it whenever you want ; etc.
I have note10+ exynos variant, and also amazingly good Huawei p20. I read a lot about the signal issues on note10. I compared the 2 device, same operator. There is a difference between them, definitely. But strangely mostly on signal values. Huawei p20 showed between 2 and 10 dBm better signal reception. But if you start a speedtest, note10+ is faster or the same compared to p20 both on 2x2 network.
Also WiFi module performed better on note10+. A was able to stay connected to very low signal wifi, when p20 couldn't connect at all. However note10 doesn't show low signal wifi. It shows and detect only very high signal networks. But if you already saved the network ssid, you may have chance to stay connected even on low signal.
The biggest problem ive found on note10 is faster modem overheating and throttling on low signal reception. Otherwise is still amazing device.
I also get pen interference on some lte network sites, the pen constantly disconnected on some places using lte 1800 mhz.
at my job at places that with my mate 20 pro i had 1-2 wifi bars now my note 10+ and my previous s10+ doenst even "see" the wifi. it doenst find any networks
The original intention of OP was to say that samsung devices are deliberately capped down, which honestly, is absurd, differences between different devices are obviously to be expected
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Samsung is crippling the radios and audio in the name of "safety" and "protecting the end user". Sending mine back to Samsung.
I've seen many posts on here about signal issues, both WiFi and Cell. This post will delve into some specifics. And sorry in advance that this is a long read.
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Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
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So after using my Note 8 for a year and a half, I decided to try something different than Samsung because I was tired of the poor cell signal and WiFi signal. I decided to get a OnePlus 7 Pro since that company and phone has been so hyped. Well, the hype is definitely real. The phone is super-fast with little to no lag.
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I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
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I noticed immediately while driving around with the Note 10+, my music was constantly buffering. I thought it had to do with some kind of battery optimization for the app as to why music would stop playing and keep buffering. But I had already taken care of that in the settings.
Then when I took my Note to work is when it was really noticeable. I work on the second floor offices at my job. My OnePlus has excellent cell signal. Almost always 2-3 bars (and when I'm outside, 4 full bars as the tower is nearby apparently) and easily able to stream music without issue. My Note? Nothing! For at least half the day every day, I had zero signal sitting at my desk in the same spot as I do with my OnePlus 7 Pro. The Note would just say (Emergency Calls Only - No Signal). That was infuriating. Especially with a tower nearby, and my other phone has no signal issues.
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Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
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The second place I notice signal issues is with WiFi. I keep my WiFi strength turned down to keep the RF exposure low, and to keep from broadcasting my WiFi across the whole neighborhood. With my OnePlus 7 Pro, I get 2-3 bars of WiFi in my garage and the WiFi takes about 10-seconds to connect. With the Note 10+, it literally takes minutes to connect to my WiFi in the garage, barely getting 1-bar, once in a while jumping up to 2 bars then back to 1. And I realize that "number of bars don't matter", but they actually do. It's just a cop-out, and proven that they do have some significance.
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I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
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Now I want to make something clear for those who don't know. Both the OnePlus 7 Pro and the Note 10+ use the same exact Snapdragon 855 SoC. As you'll see in the image HERE, the Snapdragon SoC has (among other things) the Cell radio and the BT/WiFi radios all built into the chip. And if one would look at the spec sheets for the 855 and earlier Qualcomm chips, you'd see that the radios get more powerful year after year.
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Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
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That brings me to Samsung deliberately crippling these devices. The FCC has specific regulations regarding exposure to RF radiation from phones. So Samsung is turning down the power of the Cell and WiFi radios so much to keep well below the guidelines and the RF radiation lower. But this is also crippling the device. It's keeping the device from doing it's number one job: being a phone!
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Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
Exactly man! You nailed it! Hopefully OP has a better understanding now
scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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I think everything you say falls flat when other devices perform better right next to a Samsung device with all those scenarios and parameters involved.
No matter what scenario you throw at it, another device in the same position doesn't have the problem Samsungs do. I have many phones and tablets on the same networks that perform where Samsung lags and hangs.
That's the point, not that there's rules and regulations that EVERYONE follows, it's that Samsung chooses to not optimize as well as other manufacturers, which to be honest has been the same story since their Android adoption.
We just all forgot because the hardware almost overcomes the software limitations to be barely good enough.
Also all hardware is basically the same now, just rearranged differently inside phones but to the same manufacturer specs and connections or else the built in fail-safes won't let them work, so then what does that leave as the real issue?
You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things
scottusa2008 said:
Much appreciated you went into specifics on your reasoning.. Makes it better to get an understanding and discussion going over what someone is saying. That being said, I wanted to reply to some of what your posting with my own observations/understandings as well (in addition to my previous reply). Took me a bit longer to make this reply, had to do some research on a few things first (wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding a few details) and work has been a bit chaotic due to recent events.
I have used other phones by other manufacturers with varying degrees of responsiveness. So far my note 10+ hasn't let me down with the settings at the max they can go. I do not get any lag and I have ran some rather intensive applications on the phone (as well as multiple apps that use constant data connections). Lately I've been running a total launcher theme that while impressive has multiple active parts.. Zero lag but I will admit a little bit of a hit to battery performance. Given the sci-fi nature of the theme I am totally ok with that, the phone still lasts all day on a single charge.
Now if we had a higher refresh rate on our screens... Oh that would be totally fantastic.
The EQ thing you mentioned, I haven't ran into yet but I can try it later and see if it happens. Mostly I leave my settings on whatever defaults are and dolby atmos turned on. Generally I have to turn down the volume because what movies and music I play sound pretty dang good that the bass tends to get a bit to much.
Three things I'm finding with your analysis that are troubling...
First - Signal bars. They are not actual measurements of signal power but graphical representations via algorithm for us (being the end user) of what the phone signal quality is like from the cell tower to our phone. Because of the various chipsets and components no absolute definitive measurement exists, so it's not all universally the same across each phone manufacturer. This means what is shown as one bar on a phone made by one company will be presented differently (maybe 2 or 3) on another made by another.
Of course if you want to get into the nitty gritty details signal strength information like RSRP (Reference Signal Received Power) and the quality of signal (RSRQ) and Signal to Noise Ratio (SNR)... These measurements are what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone, and what are shown (via an algorithm) as the signal bars. We can access this by dialing *#0011# into the phone dialer.
Second - If Samsung were "crippling" the phone's radio power then they could only do it on what the phone transmits... They can't control the power of the signal the phone is receiving from the cell tower.
Third - If your having buffering issues that is because something is interfering with the cell signal from the tower to your phone. This can be any number of things and it is true that some phone's seem to handle it a bit better... But none of that has to do with the phone's transmitting power.
I have some serious concerns with the pattern of logic your using. You keep saying that the phone's are crippled but your premise on WiFi and Cell signal examples are based on what the phone is receiving and not transmitting.
Still lets say that the signal bar for your WiFi connections include the phone's transmitting power... You have already indicated you limit the power output of your router, but have you tried turning it up a little to see if the signal stabilizes? You can have the TX power at it's max without issue so long as your WiFi connection is secured with a password.
Have you changed channels on the router to less populated one? How about re-orientate the antennas (if applicable, some don't have external antennas)... I did this with my WiFi 6 router after I bought it and have some pretty rock solid connections. I didn't at first, so it maybe worth trying for you?
You can also try turning off any power saving settings on the phone. You can also try toggling off the setting in developer options that prefers stable wifi over performance. If for some reason it is already turned off then try turning it on.
I did notice the time it takes to connect to an access point and what maybe is a longer wifi scanning interval. I've gone through the phone and have not found a setting that can change this yet. Still if it takes a few seconds longer to connect then I guess it takes a few seconds longer, so long as it connects to the wifi router.
Understood, but more then chipsets are involved in matters like this
Again some problems with the way this is all sounding...
The FCC regulations are about the transmitting power of the radios in our phones. The FCC also has regulations for transmitting power for cell towers.
So if Samsung follows the regulations they can only do so for what the phone transmits... Which again has no impact, bearing or relation to what the cell tower is transmitting to the phone.
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winol said:
You talk ad if ALL samsung devices are vastly inferior relating the topic here, which clearly is not true, as scottusa said, every single user obtain different results due to many factors, in my family, there are 3 different brands of devices in use, samsung, huawei and apple, on some ocasions one of them performs better than the others, and other times it doesn't, not a single one performs always better than the others, that clearly indicates that more factors are involved, not that samsung does a utterly bad job optimizing the devices, this is my experience, you colibio may have haf a very different and bad one, but by no means it reflects absolutely what the rest of the users get, you may see some number of complains about any issue, right, but, users in these forums are in reality a tiny minority, and, as many have some degree of knowledge about these topics, they tend to maximize and demand all sorts of things
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Consumer ignorance and small report sample, because of consumer ignorance, creates an experience curve in favor of Samsung.
So because xda is more "tech savy", because there's more developers who maybe work in the tech industry, who probably have more means and more devices and get more use of said devices because of their interest/work/hobby/ECT, that means we have an unrealistic expectations when all were saying is that Samsung falls behind in it's product compared to it's peers.. wouldn't you want the tiny sample who maybe knows more to speak up about it?
Frankly maybe it's not just my experience, maybe I just know enough to admit Samsung software is garbage without root and Xposed to make it work right.
This is XDA, this is what we do here. We observe, we report and we try as best we can to fix issues with products costing over $1100 that frankly shouldn't be there.
Nobody should have an issue with data reported by OP, or myself or anyone for that matter, especially when you can look at our Dev section or modules and fixes that exist within our community that were created to fix these issues reported.
What better reflection of the problem than a community coming up with solutions and baking new software.
I really don't like when people can't speak up against the majority when it comes to problems, it seems like the minority are the only ones who are pushing development anyway.