Engadget posted a link to a video tour of Windows 6.5. (The video was moved to here).
In the video (about 6 and a half minutes in), they basically say that WiMo 7 is WiMo 6.5 with multi-touch support. The reason we dont have multi-touch now is that all screens are different due to the loose hardware standards resulting in each device needing its own coding. Later with WiMo7, they intend to tighten up the standards to simplify the coding in the OS.
Is it possible that the TP2's hardware already meets those standards? In the AT&T spec leak of the Fortress and Warhawk (and yes, I know none of this can be taken as fact and the dates are obviously WAY off, but why disregard all of it?), they say the Touch Diamond 2 would require a hardware upgrade, but the Touch Pro 2 is upgradable to WiMo7.
Could it be??
yes, just test the guitar-hero game that somebody made.
Very informative...but I am pretty sure that Windows Mobile 7 isn't going to be Windows Mobile 6.5 with multitouch...
If it's not going to have large menus and large buttons like Android, iPhone, Symbian, or Pre, than it's for sure not Windows Mobile 7. And if they **** this up I might switch to android or pre.
poetryrocksalot said:
And if they **** this up I might switch to android or pre.
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I agree. this may be the last WinMo handset I buy. unless they can pick it up and make it more finger friendly and eye-appealing.
I mean cmon, Microsoft can see that HTC and Samsung are making UI's that practically erase any evidence of WinMo, and they don't take the hint. once I get the TP2 I'm switching over to Android until Microsoft catches on.
Maybe they figure it's better to make a crappy UI that everyone knows how to program for, then let each maker do their own overlay for it.
Let's face it, HTC are obviously much better than MS at making mobile device UIs...
poppinpengawen said:
I agree. this may be the last WinMo handset I buy. unless they can pick it up and make it more finger friendly and eye-appealing.
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This may be the last winmo handset I buy because I fear they'll soon leave behind some of their strengths chasing the capacitative/consumery bandwagon. Fortunately, I expect the TP2 to last a while.
It is a perfect OS, but the reason they can't make the buttons any bigger is because Windows Mobile is also designed for phones with small screens that are less than 2.8 inches. Because of this if they increase the standard in size, well than Windows Mobile (Big Buttons Version) would not be a logical operating system for phones with small screens.
But seriously, Microsoft needs to reassess and make a minimum 3 inch screen limit so they can create a finger friendly standard. And the stylus is still a very welcome accessory with the bigger menus and options.
If Microsoft were smart or had hired smarter people than we would have not have these stupid constraints.
Does anyone know what the required hardware specs are for a pocketpc to support WM7? And does the TP2 satisfy these specs?
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Does anyone know what the required hardware specs are for a pocketpc to support WM7? And does the TP2 satisfy these specs?
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http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4332
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
poppinpengawen said:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4332
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
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Styli are helpful for many Asian languages (winmo is courting Chinese markets as we speak), and capacitative styli are humongous. Perhaps the capacitative preference for winmo7 explains why winmo6.5 will coexist with it--so resistive screens can hang around and help capture Asian markets.
However, your link prefaces the list with "WM7 Chassis 1 Spec" (note the 3.5" minimum screen size), something that indicates there could be a "Chassis 2" etc.
poppinpengawen said:
here are 2 interesting ones
1. Multi touch (which basically denotes a capacitive screen)
2. Compass capability
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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen. Resistive is so much more functional (stylus handwriting recognition, less battery consumption, cheaper, etc.) And it saddens me that they are getting phased out due to all the iphone lovers out there.
sakshaug007 said:
As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen. Resistive is so much more functional (stylus handwriting recognition, less battery consumption, cheaper, etc.) And it saddens me that they are getting phased out due to all the iphone lovers out there.
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link indicating the screen technology used in the Touch pro 2 can do multitouch?
crazy talk said:
link indicating the screen technology used in the Touch pro 2 can do multitouch?
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stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
As far as products actually on the market, multitouch does mean capacitative. But for the future, it doesn't have to stay that way.
fortunz said:
Styli are helpful for many Asian languages (winmo is courting Chinese markets as we speak), and capacitative styli are humongous. Perhaps the capacitative preference for winmo7 explains why winmo6.5 will coexist with it--so resistive screens can hang around and help capture Asian markets.
However, your link prefaces the list with "WM7 Chassis 1 Spec" (note the 3.5" minimum screen size), something that indicates there could be a "Chassis 2" etc.
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oh yea, I completely agree with you. I don't see why it isn't possible to just fuse the features of a resistive screen and a capacitive screen together. there's a video (can't remember where I found it...it was somewhere on xda-developers) that shows a resistive screen with multi-touch capability. so that alone shows that it IS possible to have a multi-touch resistive screen. (now that I think about it, it sorta makes sense why the document says "multi-touch" and not simply "capacitive" )
and I have no doubt that there will be a chassis 2. from what I hear, the chassis 1 is being considered Microsoft's "Pink" smartphone. so there's no doubt that the upcoming devices running WM7 will have bigger screens and more hardware, etc.
That video is in linked in the post above yours.
The techs are different, and there will likely always be some tradeoffs. There will never be a complete melding of the two, but some of the biggest concerns can be addressed.
fortunz said:
stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
As far as products actually on the market, multitouch does mean capacitative. But for the future, it doesn't have to stay that way.
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i knew about that.
what i was trying to say was proof the exact screen in the Tp2 can support multi touch. because that was what the person i was replying to was implying.
crazy talk said:
i knew about that.
what i was trying to say was proof the exact screen in the Tp2 can support multi touch. because that was what the person i was replying to was implying.
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As far as I know resistive touchscreens can support multi-touch and I hope WM7 does not require a capacitive touchscreen.
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He said resistive touchscreen can support multitouch. They can. I guess we all agree with each other. Big hugs, all around.
But we don't have the answer yet
Does the Touch Pro 2 have a resistive screen that can handle multitouch or not ...
The video using resistive screen for multitouch uses special hardware chips to handle that.
TP2 does not, AFAIK.
Here's a detailed breakdown on what exactly was learned from the video that Hamburg's referring to.
Seems to me that, technically, WM7 won't be available for the TP2, but we all know there'll be some builds cooked up here that'll work at some point in the future
Technically capable or not I don't think there will be an official upgrade available. In an interview with someone with HTC they said that the upgrade to 6.5 was being done because Microsoft had said they would provide the rights for the free upgrade. I doubt Microsoft would provide two free upgrade rights for the same phone,, and I doubt HTC would shell out the cash necessary to provide a second update either. So in the end, it'd require a cooked ROM. Good thing though is the fact that in one of the many articles around it said the processor would need to be ARMv6, which the Pro2's is.
Ok, I know this post is a little late and maybe has been debated already. But even before Palm's Eos/Pixie was spotted I was thinking/hoping that the new Dash (3G) had both touchscreen and QWERTY keyboard. Not like the current WinMo touch phones though (PPCs). Anyone else was hoping for this (I know it is after-the-fact, but still)?
noooo
i like the dash3g as it is a win mobile thats how thwy should be
the pixie looks better but that doesn't necessarily means it will be better
microsoft have just gooten in to the smartphone war with wm6.5 coming out
Something new like this, I would think there would be, but I haven't been able to find much info on it. Maybe a day 2 release?
I found an article that claims the HD2, a sort of predecessor to the EVO, has hardware support and a hacked together driver:
http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc...02-will-droid-usb-keyboard-hack-work-evo.html
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d'oh! I copied the wrong link!
http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd2-supports-usb-host/
talks about the HD2
I see that lots of people looked, but no responses yet. Argh... Maybe I'll email HTC and see what they say... I think this feature, if there, got sidelined behind the processor, screen, and cameras. Oh, and that little 4G radio lol...
Does anyone know if theres any work getting windows mobile 6.5 onto the new LG WP7 device? I personally cannot stand the new windows mobile solution. Granted it is very fast and has some nifty features, but it screams iPhone to me. Microsoft took its new mobile platform and built it to go head to head with the iphone functionality and Ui, but like the iphone its too locked down for me. I was hoping that there might be a group of individuals that are working to get windows mobile 6.5 onto these new devices. I would love to have all the functionality and freedom 6.5 gives me on hella speedier hardware that is Windows Phone 7. I will say though that the LG;s slide out keyboard feels clunky. The function key is in a horrible spot too.
Sorry bout the rant and getting off topic. Its the last few weeks of the semester and all of my instructors are sadistic in having a whole boatload of essays due at the same time.l Again, sorry bout the /rant.
Please Please Please get wm6.5 to run on the LG Optimus. Please!
Or....you could have bought the HD2
I could have, but I need a physical keyboard. Thats a non negotiable feature.
I have no idea... the answer is probably no, but it sounds like a cool, fun thing Kind of reminds me of trying to run DR. DOS 6 on my brand new, shiny 486DX. And memory extenders to load drivers into the area bove 640k.
Why you ask? IIRC, it was because I wanted to finish some ancient game on 5.25" floppies. Maybe Roger Wilco (SpaceQuest by Sierra) or Hero's Quest.
has it been possible to get any OS on the root of another device???
I'm guessing probably not.
there are still some tp2's floating around and I here they've been overclocked.
There is an LG Fathom that is snapdragon powered with WM6.5.3 and a keyboard, smallish 3.2" screen though, but is at least WVGA res.
http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/verizon-lg-fathom-review
Just FYI
YOu should buy an android phone
adesonic said:
YOu should buy an android phone
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Hahahhahahaaaa.
Get a Touch Pro 2.
There's the LG GW820 on AT&T.
Soo... Been a while. Can someone list the requirements? Can drivers from devices such as the fathom be used if we can install the OS somehow? Where do we stand on that issue?
surrender420 said:
Soo... Been a while. Can someone list the requirements? Can drivers from devices such as the fathom be used if we can install the OS somehow? Where do we stand on that issue?
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Our standing point is pretty much check your facts before you buy or you'll get owned like this.
Sir. Haxalot said:
Our standing point is pretty much check your facts before you buy or you'll get owned like this.
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i knew it wasnt possible when i purchased my device. I was looking for further development information, and whether someone with more experience with the devices could tell me if there were any major differences between the hardware of the fathom and the lg wp7 phones. are you informatively telling me there are no similarities and this will never be possible, or are you flaming?
Not Possible, closed.
Sent From My Fingers To Your Face.....
HAHA! Nokia's Lumia translates as 'prostitute' in Spanish
http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_new...as-prostitute-in-spanish#.Tqh4b5I5Zfs.twitter
First of course was not releasing those beautes in the States
Incidentally, Google translate tells me it also means "world" in Romanian.
It's a slip up, but I think with the fact that it's really not a well known translation, it can almost be forgiven. I imagine they just run the name through some auto-translation software and a few foreign language speakers - all of whom evidentially don't speak Gipsy Spanish lol.
I speak spanish as my native language, that definition may be correct but for the real world nobody really knows it, in spanish the name lumia for the nokia phones sounds gorgeous.