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I've owned my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play 4G (R800at) for a week and a half now. It's actually my first Android experience and I am having serious iOS withdrawls despite being an adamant critic of many things Apple/iOS. Well, I did install it on my HP TouchPad a few weeks ago but I haven't really poked around yet.
Anyway, when I first charged it, it took almost all day. I was using it while charging it, but it still seemed ridiculously slow. After that, I would find it draining excessively fast despite only having a couple downloaded apps (OpenWatch, Pandora, etc) and rebooting to make sure that they were closed. Twice in the first week I set my alarm and woke to find it had drained completely and shut off (no alarm). This is inconsistent: other days it seems fine. I'm stumped bue, perhaps it doesn't like being on an AT&T Micro Cell? More testing required for that theory.
Anyway, I also noticed that performance is inexplicably bad some times and not others. After a fresh restart, my home screen will freeze and prompt to wait or force-quit. This seems completely random and it affects other apps too. For example, I'll start an SNES emulator and find it unplayable about half the time (choppy FPS and stuttering audio) and perfectly playable other times (no noticable frameskip or audio stuttering). If I reboot the phone first, you would expect results to be consistent but they often are not and I get the same choppy performance. Though I seem to have better performance with SNES9x Ex, both it and SNES A.D. have this issue.
If this is related to SD card performance, I've noticed that some shortcuts on my home screens take a while to load from the SD card and have disappeared entirely on more than one occasion (had to recreate them).
Anyway, I see reviews praising the performance in emulators and the decent battery life with no mention of these issues, which leads me to believe that something is seriously wrong. How useful is an alarm that dies in less than one sleep session? It's bad enough that it doesn't have a timer function (seriously?).
Speaking of emulators, I am picky when it comes to classic games and I can perceive that there is definitely latency in the games I have tried. I play on a level that requires instant response so many players may never notice, but there are only so many times I can run off a ledge that I would have jumped off of safely before I have to wonder if there is some inherant latency in the input method. I'm sure the emulator authors are more likely to blame but none of the other native games seem to require that level of precision for me to tell. Has anyone made any kind of test program to measure latency?
Now, the AT&T sales associate told me that I would have visual voicemail. I do not and I had no voicemail at all for the first week (traditional VM could not be set up over the phone; had to be corrected on their end). Having no Android experience, I just assumed that all Android phone supported it along with major carriers and traditional VM was included only for unsupported carriers. Was I wrong? I also assumed that there would be Android equivalents for all the basic iOS apps like Notes, Clock (with timer/stop-watch functions), screen capture function, and battery percentage in the status bar, but I know now that this is not the case (sorely disappointed; patent disputes to blame?). I looked on Sony Ericsson's webpage and see that they once advertised that the Xperia Play had Panoramic Camera with Touch-to-Focus but they edited it out, which I only discovered when I tried to snap a photo of some notes and found it impossible to focus. The forums were in a tizzy over that, after they had edited that unsupported and falsely advertised feature out when I noticed another feature that was missing and STILL ADVERTISED. Many times I had wanted to use the screen capture function but had not yet had the chance to look up how, but the online feature page clearly said that it was activated with a touch of the Power/Lock button, which I had used many times. When it turned out to be another example of an unsupported feature that was advertised for this phone, I began to wonder if the AT&T sales person was the one at fault or if he were duped by an earlier list that included VVM.
Yes. I know I can approximate VVM functionality through Google Voice and I plan to. I am still disappointed that I can't fully integrate it with native text messaging like SMS GV Extensions could on a jailbroken iDevice, especially now that Apple does something similar with iMessage (I do not have a texting plan).
I have another similar example. I was wondering why the Xperia exclusives weren't all listed together under the "Play Games" browser that can be set to launch when opened. I found a reference to the launcher that includes it in the phone's built-in "User Guide," which always gives some error about not being able to find a user guide before displaying it anyway. So, the reference said that it can be set to auto-launch when the phone is opened just like the "Play Games" interface. The option is clearly not there. That's probably just an example of them getting confused by their own confusing attempts to simplify things. There should be a central and configurable way to launch all games but there is no option in the "Play Games" interface to add or link to your own games or the other Xperia exclusives. Having Need For Speed Shift on the full app drawer listing only with Need For Speed Pursuit on the "Play Games" app and Crash Bandicoot on the Playstation Pocket app that only accessible through the full app drawer listing just means you have a ton of places to go before you even know what games came pre-loaded on the phone! I have a co-worker who's played my phone nightly for NFSP and doesn't even know it also includes NFSS (I won't tell him so that I can have a little more time with my phone ). It turns out that he's a long-time Android user too. FWIW, I *refuse* to call either PS Pocket or Play Games an "XMB" like so many others have refered to it as because it is *not*. The "Xross Media Bar" refers to a user interface that includes a list of catergories intersecting with sub-categories, which this certainly does not. Think of a rail-road "x-ing." A wavy, colored, background does not an XMB make.
So I'm going to see if I can swap out the phone if there is a hardware problem causing my battery and performance woes but that leads me to my next question: What if I have to swap it out after the free games are no longer offered? Can I keep the exclusives that are on there? Before I get flamed for not searching that question, I'll search the "how" of the matter later and only ask in case a quick answer can be included to my other problems.
Thanks in advance!
What firmware are you running? 2.3.2 I know has battery issues, Though running 2.3.4 its fine, Ermm contact Sony Ericsson about it.
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What firmware are you running? 2.3.2 I know has battery issues, Though running 2.3.4 its fine, Ermm contact Sony Ericsson about it.
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It took forever to charge on 2.3.3 and I upgraded to 2.3.4 before I could fully test but I just exchanged it and got another with 2.3.3. I'll be using it a couple days on 2.3.3 without OpenWatch to see if that had anything to do with it.
Thanks!
Explain to me how to update to 2.3.4 I'm on 2.3.3 and I'm having more problems then spittle with this phone lag randomx ghost actions and such I'm about to trade this thing in.... everytime I go to update it says no updates found wait 24hours and I have the 4g play
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Explain to me how to update to 2.3.4 I'm on 2.3.3 and I'm having more problems then spittle with this phone lag randomx ghost actions and such I'm about to trade this thing in.... everytime I go to update it says no updates found wait 24hours and I have the 4g play
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I'm assuming that it was 2.3.4 because I heard that it was the latest available and I used the Sony Ericsson PC companion app to find the latest update and apply it but I no longer have that one to see if it was truly 2.3.4.
The new phone had LESS than 200MB available out of the box and I am almost positive that all the performance and stability issues were caused by the ridiculously limited storage while the charging issues were likely a hardware problem. I doubt Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich is going to free up much, if any, additional space, so I have to wonder how they expect us to upgrade without hacking out all the bloat or them deliberately removing most of the crap despite the fact that they are still advertising features that have yet to be added ("Screen Capture" and "Gesture input"). My Google Voice/Voicemail issues are probably cause by a configuration issue on AT&T's end.
Screen Capture is only available in 2.3.4.
If by gesture input you mean swipe from one letter to another to build up a word then that is on 2.3.4 and must be enabled. I stumbled upon it yesterday in the options and it works ok, seems to get confused with some words. I tried to input "functionality" five times before I gave up and typed it in.
As for upgrading you can either wait for your carrier or use wotanserver, depending on your phone.
You can root and use titanium backup to either freeze, or backup and remove the bloat. Made a big difference in performance and battery life on my device.
God! Maybe u bought the bad piece, (u know 1 of 1xxx made phones are bad) XD i dont know but u should send a e-mail to Sony Ericsson... well to Sony or to Ericsson i dont know cus i heard Sony Ericsson doest exist any more =S
My phone charges VERY FAST... I think the phone maybe faulty..
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Also, I see that the original poster may be on AT&T. To my knowledge, we haven't gotten the 2.3.4 update yet. I'm on 2.3.3, and I haven't been given the option to update.
Also, about the emulation. If you are unhappy with the emulation on this phone, I don't know what to tell you man, unless you do have a faulty phone. Of all of the devices I've ran NES emulators on, including iPhone 3G, iPad2, old Windows Mobile, my DS and even PCs with wireless gamepads, this phone does an exceptional job! Maybe the PSone and N64 emulators aren't quite spot on, but I'm pretty sure this will be the device I finally finish Ghosts N Goblins on.
I'm thinking either you have something severely consuming your CPU, or you have a defective phone. Is your phone warm to the touch after you charge it, or just simply warm all day long? If I don't tinker with my phone all day, or make calls on it, it can go two days on one charge. Also, I'm using the stock AT&T rom, only removed AT&T navigator and a couple of other bloatwares. I really don't think I removed anything that would be consuming my battery though.
Also, your question on the games showing up in the Play Games menu. You can take a look at this post in the forums. He has a download to get a few emulators in the Play Games menu, and has a link explaining how you can add them yourself on other games. I've been successful on a few, and not on some others. To make the story short though, it's up to the developer to add the icon to the menu.
gbesta said:
Screen Capture is only available in 2.3.4.
If by gesture input you mean swipe from one letter to another to build up a word then that is on 2.3.4 and must be enabled. I stumbled upon it yesterday in the options and it works ok, seems to get confused with some words. I tried to input "functionality" five times before I gave up and typed it in.
As for upgrading you can either wait for your carrier or use wotanserver, depending on your phone.
You can root and use titanium backup to either freeze, or backup and remove the bloat. Made a big difference in performance and battery life on my device.
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Yes. After I pointed out on Sony Ericsson's forums that the feature wasn't there, they added a note that it required a software update. That update still isn't available. I'm specifically talking about the Xperia PLAY 4G features page, which means AT&T. Can wotanserver update an R800at to 2.3.4 and retain HSPA+ ("4G speeds")? Everything I read talks about the R800i.
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My phone charges VERY FAST... I think the phone maybe faulty..
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Even my replacement could not be described as charging "very fast." I used it for three days without installing any apps and deleting and turning off as many of theirs as possible and it is much better, but I obviously bought this phone to use it so I'll soon know if the issues return after I start loading it with software again.
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Also, I see that the original poster may be on AT&T. To my knowledge, we haven't gotten the 2.3.4 update yet. I'm on 2.3.3, and I haven't been given the option to update.
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You are right. I'm on 2.3.3. I do recall getting an update on my last one and assumed that it must have been 2.3.4. IIRC, I got it through the companion app (not OTA).
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Also, about the emulation. If you are unhappy with the emulation on this phone, I don't know what to tell you man, unless you do have a faulty phone. Of all of the devices I've ran NES emulators on, including iPhone 3G, iPad2, old Windows Mobile, my DS and even PCs with wireless gamepads, this phone does an exceptional job! Maybe the PSone and N64 emulators aren't quite spot on, but I'm pretty sure this will be the device I finally finish Ghosts N Goblins on.
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I'm saying that there is a perceptible latency in the one I tested that makes expert-level gaming impossible, but it's likely from the emulator author and another emulator may not have the issue (tested NESoid). I just wanted to know for sure.
Most gamers would never notice. I play Donkey Kong Country on my Sony XBR television with an actual SNES and I start firing out of the barrel cannons in the wrong directions, running right off cliffs, and jumping too late to avoid enemies until I turn off the image filtering options and enable game mode. Suddenly, even though I'm pressing them with the same timing, I now fire in time, jump before running off a cliff, and jump before hitting enemies. The latency matters to me because I play where a spilt second matters but most would never know.
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I'm thinking either you have something severely consuming your CPU, or you have a defective phone. Is your phone warm to the touch after you charge it, or just simply warm all day long? If I don't tinker with my phone all day, or make calls on it, it can go two days on one charge. Also, I'm using the stock AT&T rom, only removed AT&T navigator and a couple of other bloatwares. I really don't think I removed anything that would be consuming my battery though.
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It was intermittent. Sometimes I would find it inexplicably warm and I would restart it. The new one hasn't done that but I haven't loaded a single app. I think that even a few apps uses all the remaining storage and one of the internal porcesses to Timescape or some other SE customization goes crazy under this condition.
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Also, your question on the games showing up in the Play Games menu. You can take a look at this post in the forums. He has a download to get a few emulators in the Play Games menu, and has a link explaining how you can add them yourself on other games. I've been successful on a few, and not on some others. To make the story short though, it's up to the developer to add the icon to the menu.
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Thank you very much! Still, if it's up to the game maker, what is Sony's excuse for fragmenting "Play Games" and "Playstation Pocket?" They need to set the example! All they really need to do is let me add games to it the same as adding a shortcut to the Start menu on a Windows PC.
This app isn't exclusive to the S3 but it's amazing so i thought i'd post it here. It allows you to create your own voice commands and allows you to program what the virtual speaker says back to you. For example, I can make a command that allows the virtual speaker to say 'I am doing very well today" whenever i ask 'how are you'. It also works with opening different apps and if your phone is rooted it can perform system functions, like telling it to turn off wifi ect. There's just some much it can do to able to explain it all on here so here is the link check it out, you wont be disappointed.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.brandall.nutter&hl=en
At first I was like wtf, I don't need my phone to be my friend. Sounds pretty cool, though. I forget to turn off my wifi a lot and it causes battery drain.
Wow that app is amazing. Good looking out on the heads up
Hi, On 2 LG optimus G pro phones, the home screen widget items stop updating after some short time.
A phone rotation ( landscape portrait) does re-update the home screen and widgets, but is getting frustrating using that method.
Both phones are stock (AT&T), one has some minor OTA updating done, they are neither rooted nor rom changed. I have no intention at this time of rooting it or changing the rom. Please help with ideas that would work without these changes.
This behaviour has not been any different from a Factory reset , which I did prior to final installs. The issue was present from the first 3rd party widget to the phone having 16 switcher widgets and a few program widgets.
Are there any settings on the phone that would change this home screen from dropping off to sleep ? I am sure it saves battery, and might be the purpose of it, but it does not suit my purposes to have this happen.
I have tried many settings, like keeping core control off , etc. But i have not observed any change in this.
Is there any cheap tricks i can apply to get the home screen to run a refresh?
Is there any apps that could be applied to automate a home screen refresh? Like i am using macrodroid to automate other things, and it knows when i have made a widget switch, some app that would force a screen refresh would be a good workaround at this point.
The behaviour would hardly be noticed by somone using the device as a Phone first, and mostly as a phone. My use of the device is more like a Tablet, watching movies browsing the web and playing music and all.
When placing this question I was presented with many similar questions for other 4+ type phones, none of them were solved only Me-Tooed. Any ideas for workaround or cheap tricking the thing into refreshing would be very interesting to me.
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Tasker + Greenify would work but you'd have to be rooted in order to use Greenify on system apps. I had the same problem as well. I have tasker set up to hibernate my home screen when turning off the screen and waking it up when the device is unlocked. Adding widgets into that would increase your battery life AND keep the widgets working normally when you unlock the screen.
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Tasker + Greenify
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Interesting, because greenify updated rescent , so it can do its tricks without root (manually). applied the "accessability" trick on 4.1+ devices. If that would somehow work, it just leaves trying to automate it with some very simple method, so far i avoided tasker because it is more akin to programming (takes too long to learn nuances), where my level is more like simple scripting, which I got done in minutes with macrodroid.
I can't seem to find a list for lollipop, particularly for tablets.
There are a bunch of system apps that just seem unnecessary, but I didn't really want to do the trial by fire method of freezing them one at a time in TiBu if there's a list out there.
I see things like phone, nfc service, mobile data, Asus keyboard, and so on. I don't use any of that stuff, but it still loads into memory. I realize it might sound nit picky, but just the other day I noticed my battery all of a sudden dying insanely fast, and it was from google plus (which I also don't use). Even reboots wouldn't stop it. I was able to disable that just fine, but there's a bunch of junk I don't use or want, but am worried that one of the more innocuous sounding ones will disrupt an important system app.
Does anyone know if there's a good updated list for tablet users, so that we can freeze things meant for phones, and things that we just don't use?
Thanks very much!
I've been having an issue with my Z2 Force that I've never had with any of my other phones. For some reason, it acts like I'm hitting the home button, even when I'm not touching it. I could be using a web browser, the XBox app, or any other app and it will go back to whatever launcher I have set as default. It doesn't close the app, it just minimizes it. I've tried disabling the home button for navigating & use the touch buttons instead, and when that didn't work I tried doing a factory reset. Well, it's still doing it, and I'm to the point where I'm very tempted to try to use one of the rooting methods I was able to find online, one of which does mention the specific model of my Verizon variant (XT1789-01). I can live without root if needed, but this 'phantom home button pressing' thing is driving me nuts. Any help is appreciated, and thanks.
I have 4 Moto Z2 Force in my house, 2 of them (Android 9, Verizon version) have this same issue.
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I have 4 Moto Z2 Force in my house, 2 of them (Android 9, Verizon version) have this same issue.
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I'm still working on getting myself to go through with trying the root method I found. I think it'd work, but my main issue would be with making sure I can find a rooted ROM for the phone. Assuming the method works and I don't bork my phone, I'd still need a different ROM to install in order to determine if it's a hardware issue or software based. By the way, on the chance you're thinking of trying to remove the screen protector, be aware it is realllllllly stuck on there. I almost pulled my screen off, but I was able to remove it & was rewarded with a bunch of left over residue.
At any rate, if I do actually get myself to do the root thing, I'll be sure to post my results here.
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I'm still working on getting myself to go through with trying the root method I found. I think it'd work, but my main issue would be with making sure I can find a rooted ROM for the phone. Assuming the method works and I don't bork my phone, I'd still need a different ROM to install in order to determine if it's a hardware issue or software based. By the way, on the chance you're thinking of trying to remove the screen protector, be aware it is realllllllly stuck on there. I almost pulled my screen off, but I was able to remove it & was rewarded with a bunch of left over residue.
At any rate, if I do actually get myself to do the root thing, I'll be sure to post my results here.
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I use the ROM stock so isn't the root that cause the problem, but I hope you find the way, my only hope is on you, actually ):
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I use the ROM stock so isn't the root that cause the problem, but I hope you find the way, my only hope is on you, actually ):
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My concern is whether the root method I found is legit or not. The only reason why I want to attempt it is because the description mentions the specific model of my phone. All variants of the Z2 Force start with XT789-, but it's the number after the '-' you have to look for, and for Verizon users is '01'. Rooting the phone will let me install a different version of Android that should help me narrow down the cause of the glitch. Since your phone is doing the same thing mine is, it's more-than-likely not due to an app, so it has to be either the OS or a hardware thing.
Maybe a downgrade to 8.0 will make it, this bug is so annoying
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Maybe a downgrade to 8.0 will make it, this bug is so annoying
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It's possible that might work, but either way I still need to be able to root the thing and find a ROM made for the Verizon model. My phone has only been doing this for a couple weeks or so, but before that it would actually fully close certain apps (gsam Battery Monitor, RadioU, Taskbar, and some others). However, I more than less fixed that by setting the timers for those apps to 23 hrs.
How did you set the timers? That fixed the problem of minimizing the apps?
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How did you set the timers? That fixed the problem of minimizing the apps?
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The reason why I tried setting timers on certain apps was because they were being killed automatically, this was before the 'phantom' home button thing. The following steps may/may not resolve your current issue, but you can try them if you'd like:
1. Go to Settings
2. Apps & notifications
3. Screen time
4. At the bottom, you'll see a few apps listed, and a an option to show all of your apps. Select 'Show all apps', then the app you want to set the timer for.
5. Next to each app you'll see a little hour glass. If it's empty, then there is currently not timer set. If you'd like to set a timer, tap the hour glass, then set your desired time.
Again, I did all this well before my phone started acting like I was hitting the home button in an effort to get it to stop closing my favorite apps. For the most part, it worked, but the automatic closing thing only started after the upgrade to Android 9. I did find a site where I could download a previous stock ROM, but without root it may/will re-update again. There's an app that let's you prevent updates, but the phone has to be rooted in order for the app to work. I can't really remember the name app right now, but I used to use it on my Note 4. I think there was also a way to do it through the command line in Windows (might've worked in Linux, too), or it might've been a combination of an app and the command line.
In any case, the root method I thought I'd found wasn't really all that instructive, and I need to make sure I can actually fully unlock the boot loader before attempting root. If I can't unlock it, then whatever root method I try won't stick. The auto home button thing, at least on my phone, seems to be random, though. Sometimes it'll be fairly soon after opening an app, other times the app will stay open for a good while before going back to the home screen.
Well, like I said, I have other 2 Moto Z2 Force but they are Sprint or whatever the carrier are. They don't have the phantom home button problem. But they are in Android 8. I actually don't have a problem on click the multitasking button to go back to the app but the problem is on the games and that stuff. So if I go back to Android 8 the system will update automatically to 9? I didn't know that, I thought that it was volunteer hahaha. Btw I don't even know how to downgrade since I'm not a moto user of all life. This is my first experience with a moto phone and it sucks. . Hahaha actually the home button problem happen.
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Well, like I said, I have other 2 Moto Z2 Force but they are Sprint or whatever the carrier are. They don't have the phantom home button problem. But they are in Android 8. I actually don't have a problem on click the multitasking button to go back to the app but the problem is on the games and that stuff. So if I go back to Android 8 the system will update automatically to 9? I didn't know that, I thought that it was volunteer hahaha. Btw I don't even know how to downgrade since I'm not a moto user of all life. This is my first experience with a moto phone and it sucks. . Hahaha actually the home button problem happen.
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It may not immediately update the OS after a downgrade, but you would get a notice there's an update available, even on a rooted phone. Since root only removes the barriers that're usually there to keep the less knowledgeable from hurting their phones, you'd still get any update notices a non-rooted phone would usually get. There is an app called NoBloat Free, and with it there are two files you'd be able to block that'd keep your phone from updating when you don't want it to. I'm not sure if the app is still in the Play Store or not, but I did use it on my Note 4, and it worked pretty well.
On a side note, I've had Opera open on my phone for a while now, and so far it hasn't gone back to the home screen yet. As for the phone itself, Moto phones are pretty good phones, my Z2 Force is my fourth phone from Moto (the other three being the RAZOR smartphone, Bionic, and the original RAZOR, which I sometimes miss). For all we know, our issue could be caused by a software glitch, hence my desire to root and test a different ROM.
Do you know how to downgrade to 8.0? I'll try it, it's a good phone and I didn't pay so much por this, that's why I'm not that angry. I won't root the phone since the games I play would kick me from the game. So just for make me sure I understand, do you reestablished the phone with a computer or from the same phone?
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My concern is whether the root method I found is legit or not. The only reason why I want to attempt it is because the description mentions the specific model of my phone. All variants of the Z2 Force start with XT789-, but it's the number after the '-' you have to look for, and for Verizon users is '01'. Rooting the phone will let me install a different version of Android that should help me narrow down the cause of the glitch. Since your phone is doing the same thing mine is, it's more-than-likely not due to an app, so it has to be either the OS or a hardware thing.
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My man, I found something, I think it's a Verizon app's problem, there is a post in Reddit with more people having this problem, one of them leading to the conclusion that two apps of Verizon update recently. I don't know if that work. Btw I leave the link to that post. https://www.reddit.com/r/Moto_Z/com..._source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
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My man, I found something, I think it's a Verizon app's problem, there is a post in Reddit with more people having this problem, one of them leading to the conclusion that two apps of Verizon update recently. I don't know if that work. Btw I leave the link to that post. https://www.reddit.com/r/Moto_Z/com..._source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body
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I think I may have finally given my phone the smack in the pants it needed to start behaving itself again. I followed the link you provided, and one of the comments suggested installing any updates for a couple Verizon apps and disabling them. Not sure if this would work on a non-Verizon phone or not, but I've had the XBox app open on my phone for over 20 minutes now, and so far it hasn't minimized yet. To be accurate, I even closed & reopened the app. The apps mentioned were Verizon App Manager & My Verizon Services. I was able to disable the first app, but not the second, and rebooted my phone after doing so.
If your phone isn't from Verizon, there may be a similar pair of apps you could try disabling, though I'd probably look it up first to be on the safe side.
Update: It's been almost two hours now and the app still hasn't closed. Now, to get the screen protector residue off my phone.