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[Q] InsertCoin ROM - Killing apps too aggressively?

Hi all,
This is my first post here.
I have flashed the InsertCoin stable ROM 03/06 and I have to say it's great (despite the video playback bug). Recently I found another issue that bothers me a lot.
The problem I found is that the ROM seems to be killing non-active apps too aggressively. I learnt if I press "home" button in an active app, it should stay for a while until it is killed to free up memory. However, in my phone, the non-active apps are always killed within one minute even when the phone isn't running out of memory. Why it is an issue to me? Because:
1) It is killing the browser too fast. Usually I switched to other app, do some work, and back to the browser. Since the browser is killed it has to reload the whole page to restore the state. This wastes time and data.
2) Most importantly It is killing my music app!! I tried fire up HTC's music app, select a song, tap to play, leave the app and do other things like web surfing. The music app would surely be killed in a minute. This happens to other music playing app like Winamp.
This makes my phone a relatively single tasking one. I didn't install any 3rd party task killer because I never needed one. But I cannot find any settings regarding this "feature" on my phone.
I found people in this forum seeking help on how to kill some background apps. What I want is the opposite: How to prevent some background apps to be killed.
Anyone here has similar problem and has found a solution?
Thanks in advance!

on 1.0.8 i had no problems
on v45 (which is last 2D Rose version) you need to flash pre46test.zip in order to fix agressive app killing.
other than that i never heard of any complaints regarding apps being killed too quickly.

Thanks, dzumagos. Yes I am running 1.0.8 and unfortunately this happens on my phone
Maybe I'll try flashing the nightly version (v51) to see if things improve.

Whatever you do, don't use task managers and other memory scripts. Every developer makes his own memory parameters which suit his rom the best, so I think you are best off pointing baadnwz to this issue and see what he says.

erklat said:
Whatever you do, don't use task managers and other memory scripts. Every developer makes his own memory parameters which suit his rom the best, so I think you are best off pointing baadnwz to this issue and see what he says.
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The ROM has HTC's ROM manager built in, and I didn't have any installed by myself. AFAIK the only difference between the Stable and Nightly version is the Rosie 3D homescreen that is missing in the Stable version, so I flashed 1.0.9 and unfortunately the problem persists.
And looks like I'm not eligible to ask on the development thread

Is it advisable to update to ICS from Gingerbread on Arc S...?

Should i update my phone to ICS from Gingerbread??
Or its not a good idea?

Performance vs looks
IF you really want a beautiful experience(WITH LAG) of the interface(FOR A LITTLE WHILE) in lieu of the OVERALL SYSTEM PERFORMANCE then please UPDATE TO ICS.
BUT if you want to have a better experience(WITHOUT ANY LAG) with all of the phone's feature THEN STAY WITH THE GB.:angel:
I have tried almost every ICS ROM for the ARC and almost every ROM HAS A LAG(in the beginning it doesn't come into action but after some time when caching of system applications start it's the most HORRIBLE experience with the phone and sometimes you can't even use your phone for call or messaging (LIKE IT'S LAGGING LIKE HEELLL) ):crying:
SO it's upto you..what i think
I AM BACK TO GB FROM ICS
REST IS YOUR CHOICE:good:
plz hit thanks if i helped

ICS consumes more resources, there's no way round that, but a properly configured Arc can easily run ICS with ZERO lag. You do need to be careful what apps you have running in the background - see this post for more details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=30809767&postcount=11
Personally, I would never go back to GB. My phone is so much more stable on ICS, you can run a number of tablet-only apps, battery life is significantly improved, etc.
I've not tried the latest Sony rom, but previous ones have not been great - too bloated and sluggish. Custom roms are IMHO definitely the way to go for ICS on the Arc.

Update?
Just Update to the latest .578 ICS and if you feel the device is slow/irresponsive use Bloatware Remover to make RAM consumption better

Xperia Arc Can Handle ICS , Great as GB.
It depends Upon the Developer Of it.

I say go for a try

If i install Sony's official ICS will i lose my root, and will i have to install different kernel? I am currently using doomLord's kernel.

Hi
To upgrade or not to upgrade…
Few days ago I come back to old GB 2.3.4 simply because I have some unfinished business with some games I didn’t finish while on GB – and also sort of compare to what was like to be on GB again comparing to ICS… (anyways it takes me @ 15min to switch to any Android ver. And with CWM backup it a matter of minutes to be back on favorite ROM…)
Man I felt like I was driving on handbrake all this time… you feel like flying fast… no LAG whatsoever it feels great again… speed wise.
From the moment ICS come out I already flashed it via flashtool and rooted, immediately I started to try out different kinds of ROM modes out there… tried like maybe 10 of them (could only use some as I need to stay with locked BootLoader… so no custom kernels.) Anyway after so many months of playing around – the only ROM which suited my needs was JJROM 3.1 – also the look of it is great for me… so I stayed with it… flashed XPERIA S Walkman port + some other little add-ons which made my ROM complete…
Now somebody wrote here that you need to be very careful what you run on ICS ROM in order to be sure it can run smoothly enough… and this is so true…
When buying originally the phone (ARC S) it was supposed to serve me like a little computer machine while I’m away – Internet, mail, GPS, banking, photos, music, movies, YouTube, FB… etc, etc… it supposed to be very flexible and have enough power to do many things with many programs as possible… now with GB I noticed that I’m able to do many more things at once while lag-free then with ICS… I didn’t buy phone just to make calls and SMS – as many users tent to use their smartphones for… for me it have to do some rather heavy duty stuff…
Unfortunately ICS is very memory hungry and I noticed that with time after installing all favorite apps it starts to lag… you don’t notice till you have some reference like trying again GB with the some programs… don’t fall into adverts of different ROM makes that their ROMs are so great and fast – lag free and have so much RAM free – and blah blah… they flash fresh ROM, take few screenshots of fresh install with so much RAM free (zero apps running), then upload some clips on YT so you are amazed at the smoothness… BUT the real life starts after somebody installs their 10+ favorite apps and then can test the ROM in real life… and most of the time you realize that the difference between “before and after” is like night and day… ROM becomes unusable… or lags terribly.
I will be going back to my beloved ICS JJROM3.1 (after I finish the games I can’t on ICS) but I realize that it will never be as fast as GB… I just love the HOLO layout and look of ICS… I miss already some of the ICS options and functions, but the speed of GB is just amazing so I will stay on it to enjoy a bit longer… ha. I guess someone needs to find this “in between” ROM, where he can use as many of his apps as possible and still have reasonable speed left. I have running all GG services, FB Firendcaster, Forum app, weather, RSS reader, maps, Email etc etc and no lag whatsoever – games load fast and run perfectly without any glitches… while playing NOVA, DeadSpace, Shadow Guardian etc I still receive mail and forum/FB/RSS notices in the background and games don’t stop or even shatter for a moment, you don’t feel like there is any problem with having all this background services going on… well with ICS is a bit different, I can still run the some games (exept SG)… with this services, apps etc but it will take longer to load and while receiving notifications games shutter for few sec…
I found GB ROM called JellyBreadV2Arc which is modified version of stock GB which is super for my needs (has removed all FB bloatware + other tweaks) runs really fast…
Anyway – don’t know why I started all this… I guess the question to flash ICS or not is very hard to answer – if you want to try something new and are willing to sacrifice some gaming and a little speed then try it out… there is always way back…
One thing I noticed immediately with GB is battery life, is not as good as on ICS and charging takes longer on GB… which bugs me a bit… I know that with different kernel would improve but I don’t want to unlock BL… so needs to be that way.

ics it's no so bad, i really never used GB too much, but is said that it's better for battery life. I'm happy with ICS.

When I bought my Arc S LT18i, the ICS update was already available. I started using it with gingerbread but then, when I already had the apps I wanted, I decided to update my phone to ICS (4.1.A.0.562). Everything was ok until I booted my phone for the second time after the update. Couldn't unlock my sim and it just freezed. Had this problem for a month. I was so mad! I booted into safe mode, restored using PC Companion but the problem didn't go away. But then came the 2nd ICS update (4.1.B.0.431) and it just fixed things. The 3rd update (4.1.B.0.587) didn't bring any changes as far as I can see. But I still recommend you update to ICS. Or just flash CM9 stable.

Let's just not ask people, try it and see if you like it. Don't get me wrong but we can't help you as we all see ICS differently so you must try it out and see if it suits your everyday life. Also if you don't like it, you can always flash back to GB. Getting the root is simple enough and to find it, Google. Right now I suggest getting ICS because in my point of view, ICS is fast, sleek and beautiful.

badboyofpersia said:
Should i update my phone to ICS from Gingerbread??
Or its not a good idea?
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Let me tell you now to get perfect ics. Once updated to ics, root using eroot toolkit n then install cwm using x-parts. Then go to cwm, flash odexed notification led fix, flash jb adreno drivers. Then boot phone. Now ul have a lot of smoothness and notification bug won't be there. U can then also install titanium backup n remove bloatware for even more speed. For the WiFi dropping problem, flash kernel of .13 firmware. Then ul have the ultimate ics experience. Sony's ics update is incomplete. Do all this n then it'll be a proper update!

Nice Review ,TNKS
What You Think ? Stock ROM Is THE BEST OR NOT ?
amankumar2508007 said:
IF you really want a beautiful experience(WITH LAG) of the interface(FOR A LITTLE WHILE) in lieu of the OVERALL SYSTEM PERFORMANCE then please UPDATE TO ICS.
BUT if you want to have a better experience(WITHOUT ANY LAG) with all of the phone's feature THEN STAY WITH THE GB.:angel:
I have tried almost every ICS ROM for the ARC and almost every ROM HAS A LAG(in the beginning it doesn't come into action but after some time when caching of system applications start it's the most HORRIBLE experience with the phone and sometimes you can't even use your phone for call or messaging (LIKE IT'S LAGGING LIKE HEELLL) ):crying:
SO it's upto you..what i think
I AM BACK TO GB FROM ICS
REST IS YOUR CHOICE:good:
plz hit thanks if i helped
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gius321 said:
What You Think ? Stock ROM Is THE BEST OR NOT ?
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Try it out yourself. Different people have different opinion on different ROMs.
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[Q] Do you think that Project Butter in JB will make the phone feel more snappy?

A problem I always had with the Xperia S is that the whole thing feels extremely choppy and clunky. I have extremely low tolerance for choppyness, and this phone has always felt really clunky for me, it's hard to pretend the choppyness isn't there. There is nothing that makes me feel good about a device than silky smoothness, and even though the phone is still very fast and reactive, the slow framerate and microstutters are extremely noticeable, especially if you ever used a smooth device before (such as my good old Xperia Ray on gingerbread which was smooth like an iPhone, and when I upgraded it to ICS I couldn't stand it anymore because it became horrendously stuttery).
I was wondering, since Project Butter promises fully accelerated UI and elimination of the persistent lag that all android phones have, do you think this will finally resolve the slugginess of this phone's stock rom?
Is PB an OS features that all phones running JB have, or do the developers (in this case Sony's) have to implement it on their own?
Also, regarding the current stock ICS, there is nothing that helped with the constant lag and choppyness in the UI, the only thing that DOES make a difference is enabling "force GPU rendering", it's found under "developer options" and disabled by default. Once you enable it, scrolling lists (such as the settings menu) will become silky smooth (you have to go back to home and then back to settings menu to notice the difference). With this disabled, scrolling every list menu is embarassingly choppy. It doesn't cause any battery drain so I recommend everyone to enable it if you haven't already.
I seriously hope JB will resolve the constant choppyness of this phone's UI.

MarkMRL said:
A problem I always had with the Xperia S is that the whole thing feels extremely choppy and clunky. I have extremely low tolerance for choppyness, and this phone has always felt really clunky for me, it's hard to pretend the choppyness isn't there. There is nothing that makes me feel good about a device than silky smoothness, and even though the phone is still very fast and reactive, the slow framerate and microstutters are extremely noticeable, especially if you ever used a smooth device before (such as my good old Xperia Ray on gingerbread which was smooth like an iPhone, and when I upgraded it to ICS I couldn't stand it anymore because it became horrendously stuttery).
I was wondering, since Project Butter promises fully accelerated UI and elimination of the persistent lag that all android phones have, do you think this will finally resolve the slugginess of this phone's stock rom?
Is PB an OS features that all phones running JB have, or do the developers (in this case Sony's) have to implement it on their own?
Also, regarding the current stock ICS, there is nothing that helped with the constant lag and choppyness in the UI, the only thing that DOES make a difference is enabling "force GPU rendering", it's found under "developer options" and disabled by default. Once you enable it, scrolling lists (such as the settings menu) will become silky smooth (you have to go back to home and then back to settings menu to notice the difference). With this disabled, scrolling every list menu is embarassingly choppy. It doesn't cause any battery drain so I recommend everyone to enable it if you haven't already.
I seriously hope JB will resolve the constant choppyness of this phone's UI.
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If you're really curious you could flash the test version DoomlorD posted. There's also this video on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNLODO3YOnA
Looks like it is more fluent, as was expected, but ofcourse that's a nearly empty firmware. Some 3rd party apps can make your phone a lot slower, even when they're supposedly not running. A clean installation of ICS is also quite fluent compared to the lags I've had caused by some apps before I removed or restricted them.

Redstarr1 said:
If you're really curious you could flash the test version DoomlorD posted. There's also this video on Youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNLODO3YOnA
Looks like it is more fluent, as was expected, but ofcourse that's a nearly empty firmware. Some 3rd party apps can make your phone a lot slower, even when they're supposedly not running. A clean installation of ICS is also quite fluent compared to the lags I've had caused by some apps before I removed or restricted them.
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I can't flash it because I'm not unlocking my BL. Also, which apps do you think are the most resource hungry? I already disabled facebook and all social network related stuff, most services like sony select, etc. No difference at all.

My Xperia S and my Nexus 4 feel as smooth as each other using go launcher and obviously one has project butter and one doesn't

A simple solution would be to set a background process limit to 3 or less (developer options-resets on reboot so take care of that)
Also decrease the transition and animation from 1 to .5(dev options again)
If u are rooted(which am expecting u are)
Use romtoolbox or any utility capable of profiling ur cpu...set two profiles..screen off->governer-ondemand-low frequency(will save battery)
And one as screen on->governer-performance-max frequency(reduce ur lag)
If u have too many apps..use greenify or some app with same functionality
These basic settings have kept my ion lagfree all the while
Sent from my Xperia ion
Hit a thanks when someone helps

for what it's worth, i just came to the xperia S from the original galaxy S. i was running JB on that, which has nowhere near the specs of the xperia S, and JB was smooth as silk there, so it does seem to make a noticeable difference. moreso on 4.2 than 4.1, however.
unfortunately i've been hit with the bootloader unlock = no , so the wait for jb again begins..

MarkMRL said:
I can't flash it because I'm not unlocking my BL. Also, which apps do you think are the most resource hungry? I already disabled facebook and all social network related stuff, most services like sony select, etc. No difference at all.
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That's why I posted the link to the Youtube video so you could get a glimpse that way .
I'd also disable Google+ and Google Talk if you're not using those. And some apps that you installed yourself from the Play Store can make your phone sluggish as well. I used Greenify to force my games and some apps to hibernate (Angry Birds, Dropbox, Google Drive etc), saved over 100mb in available memory. That has made my phone a lot less laggy. I usually don't encourage using app killers but Greenify is doing a good job with no errors for the past 3 days.

absolutely yes
jb leaked is the smoothest thing i have ever seen

Choosing the right ROM for Wildfire S: Slim or "full"?

Hi there,
I have just upgraded from a Wildfire S to a Nexus4. I would like to use the Wildfire S a secondary phone (for which right now I use a very old/crappy/non-android phone).
So far my experience with the Wildfire S hasn't been stellar (standard HTC rom): the lack of memory made it very hard to really enjoy it: every time an update popped up it was a struggle to get it to install properly.
So I would like to take the opportunity to clear up the phone and install a more ... "comfortable" rom.
I don't have huge requirements: some simple games for the kids to be entertained, some music, check the news ...
My absolute preference is to have a rom that uses very little memory in order to forget about all the headaches I had in the past ~2 years.
So, I started looking for the roms available. My oh my: talking about choice! It's great, of course, but choosing is not straightforward.
Looking here (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2068879) I see that there is such thing as a "Slim rom" which sound quite attractive from where I am sitting.
So the question is: SlimCM10 o "standard" CM10 (like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2136011).
Roms like "ParanoidAndroi" don't seem too attractive to me, not on a screen as tiny as that of the wildfire S.
I would like someone's opinion on this. Perhaps I should look at totally different roms ...
Suggestions?
Thanks!

You have quite a few options.
If you want your kids to play games on, I wouldn't recommend even the SlimCM10 because all it does is removes certain unneeded alps in system. I'm on the normal CM10 and it does lag at times.
CM7 is a good alternative, since it is gingerbread, everything works.
If you want to do a little more work, you can check out the Customized stock ROMs by Crossfire77 and me. They're compatible with most tweaks including the famous v6 Supercharger. After you install this ROM you can install v6 Supercharger, Adrenaline Engine, Pimp my ROM tweaks and even an app called Seeder.
These tweaks and apps will work on all afore mentioned ROMs and will reduce lag by a lot.
Since just CM7 is a bit laggy, installing Seeder would do the trick and you can play games just fine.
You can also look at other sense based ROMs like Wildchild.
Good luck!
Sent from my HTC Wildfire™ S powered by Jelly King®
[HELP THREAD] Official Wildfire S Help Thread!

Hi Lt Win,
thanks for your input: they make sense to me.
Perhaps I'll give first a shot to CM10.* (I see you're on Jelly King, which is CM 10.0, if I understood correctly): do you have memory issues? (I am worried that newer versions of Android are more demanding, in terms of memory, than older ones).
The reason being that I would prefer keeping ICS/JB type of interface on all my phones, which would make it easier to maintain.
The Nexus 4 is on 4.2, I plan to update the HTC Sensation to the latest CM once I familiarize myself with the whole procedure using the Wildfire S as a guinea pig.
Lag is also not a huge issue: as it is today is acceptable (of course, less is better) as I don't plan on using it intensely.
I don't plan to install particularly taxing games: my kids are young so memory game, coloring stuff ... that's plenty.
I'll research more on what are the issues with JB on the Wildfire S and then I'll make the final decision. I can always go back to CM7 if I don't like how it "feels". In which case, I'll go for your custom rom.
Best regards.
Edit: love the jetpack avatar by the way. I like that game!

yankeeDDL said:
Hi Lt Win,
thanks for your input: they make sense to me.
Perhaps I'll give first a shot to CM10.* (I see you're on Jelly King, which is CM 10.0, if I understood correctly): do you have memory issues? (I am worried that newer versions of Android are more demanding, in terms of memory, than older ones).
The reason being that I would prefer keeping ICS/JB type of interface on all my phones, which would make it easier to maintain.
The Nexus 4 is on 4.2, I plan to update the HTC Sensation to the latest CM once I familiarize myself with the whole procedure using the Wildfire S as a guinea pig.
Lag is also not a huge issue: as it is today is acceptable (of course, less is better) as I don't plan on using it intensely.
I don't plan to install particularly taxing games: my kids are young so memory game, coloring stuff ... that's plenty.
I'll research more on what are the issues with JB on the Wildfire S and then I'll make the final decision. I can always go back to CM7 if I don't like how it "feels". In which case, I'll go for your custom rom.
Best regards.
Edit: love the jetpack avatar by the way. I like that game!
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Memory issues, well not so much. I get ~100mb free space on install, and a few apps would probably fill it up. I recommend partitioning your SD Card, flashing a script called INT2EXT so whatever size your partition is, your internal memory will be that much. Battery life is a bit of a problem, I must say. There's more on Mobile Data than WiFi, so you would want to use WiFi more.
Again, seeder, adrenaline engine and v6 Supercharger can nearly kill the lag. Of course, games will be a bit laggy. Heavy games, that is.
The issues on JB are:
*Panorama is weird.
*Camcorder has very low frame rate.
*No USB Tethering. (Using phone as a modem)
ICS issues:
*No camcorder - Wrong colour output.
* Panorama is weird / doesn't work. (I don't remember that well)
*No USB tethering.
CM7 issues:
*Slightly worse camera than stock.
*No USB Tethering.
This should help out on choosing.
P.S. I love Jetpack Joyride, its too much fun!
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S A510e using Tapatalk 2

Man, you're a well of info. Thanks! (yes, I clicked the button too)
I plan on using almost exclusively WiFi. In fact, I may get rid of the data altogether (it's the secondary phone after all).
I won't need to use the camera much: mostly still photos for "work" related stuff, so I don't plan to use panorama or camcorder.
Also, no USB tethering.
Which clears me for both ICS and JB.
What I really need the phone for is:
- sync contact (this is actually quite crucial, even though it seems like a trivial feature)
- occasional mail check
- still photos in well lit environments
- listen to podcasts
- occasional gaming
- "portable" storage device
If I can ask one last question about the battery consumption: are you saying that it is especially bad on ICS/JB roms? As in, noticeably worse than with stock gingerbread?
If so, is this also a problem with custom gingerbread roms?
I get a fairly decent battery life with the stock rom, so this was not one of my primary concerns.
Thanks again.

yankeeDDL said:
Man, you're a well of info. Thanks! (yes, I clicked the button too)
I plan on using almost exclusively WiFi. In fact, I may get rid of the data altogether (it's the secondary phone after all).
I won't need to use the camera much: mostly still photos for "work" related stuff, so I don't plan to use panorama or camcorder.
Also, no USB tethering.
Which clears me for both ICS and JB.
What I really need the phone for is:
- sync contact (this is actually quite crucial, even though it seems like a trivial feature)
- occasional mail check
- still photos in well lit environments
- listen to podcasts
- occasional gaming
- "portable" storage device
If I can ask one last question about the battery consumption: are you saying that it is especially bad on ICS/JB roms? As in, noticeably worse than with stock gingerbread?
If so, is this also a problem with custom gingerbread roms?
I get a fairly decent battery life with the stock rom, so this was not one of my primary concerns.
Thanks again.
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The battery life is a problem with data on, so if you're using wifi you're good. However, battery life on standby is much better than stock but if you use data with screen on a lot, you'll get quite a good amount of battery drain.
Other than that, it's just fine. And I would recommend the following custom ROMs:
Gingerbread - Wildchild (based on stock) , CM7.2
ICS - CM9 Alpha 9.
JB - Jelly King, Speed Droid. Although I love jelly king. Ext partition is recommended on ICS and JB. Use INT2EXT.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire S using Tapatalk 2

I just installed Jelly King 2.0 .... So far it looks quite good. Time will tell.
Thanks again for your help and suggestions.

Decision with a Custom ROM

I really would appreciate some help
I have an Xperia Play R800i, I have unlocked the Boot Loader and I am using a stock 4.0.2.A.0.42, which sucks ...
I want to use flashtools to install a custom ROM, but the thing is ... I am not a developer, I am a begginer in Android ... And unfortunately I dont have the time to test several custom ROMS to see what I like.
So, here is what I am looking for:
1. I primarily use my phone for retro gaming, emulators and stuff. I have very little interest in recent android games.
2. I use a lot of its basic functions as a smartphone, such as GMail, Maps, whatsapp and 3G.
3. I prefer something light, that wouldnt compromise gaming performance.
4. Being pretty and shiny isnt a necessity. (could be a bonus, though)
5. Here is the catch: I am really interested in the progress PPSSPP is making, since I loved my PSP. I understand that it will probably just run some basic games, but I really think it is cool. If there is any custom ROM that works better with this particular app...
6. Overclocking capabilities. Again, because of PPSSPP.
7. Something that looks and feels close to the stock ROM, if possible.
I tried to go into specifics so that you can help me find exactly what I need! Thanks a lot!

NXT Light Rom is nice. It's the Rom I'm currently on. I have tried different roms but they all seem to work the same for me. I settled on NXT Light because It simply allowed me more space for installation of apps, it looked nice and I got a battery percentage thingy in notification bar along with alot other very useful features.
Should take a look at it.

As for kernal LuPuSv6-GB is pretty good, with a 1.6 GHz profile already set.