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[PORT] Kindle Fire Stock Launcher

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Will be writing up instructions later today. Please post any problems with the port you have here.

Please note I'm not trying to put you down:
Even if you haven't released the directions I'm guessing you didn't re-size everything and it's a raw port? If there was no re-sizing then in reality this is a port for "other 7 inch tablets". Also The launcher a) uses a lot of amazons resources (server) b) it's not the best.
PROTIP #12312: Don't make your topic before you have a write-up. No ones going to take your topic in the 5 minutes it's going to take you.

TyHi said:
Please note I'm not trying to put you down:
Even if you haven't released the directions I'm guessing you didn't re-size everything and it's a raw port? If there was no re-sizing then in reality this is a port for "other 7 inch tablets". Also The launcher a) uses a lot of amazons resources (server) b) it's not the best.
PROTIP #12312: Don't make your topic before you have a write-up. No ones going to take your topic in the 5 minutes it's going to take you.
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The point is to be able to use the stock launcher on other roms.
A) is that supposed be some kind of deterrent? I guess I'll take android off my phone since it uses Google's server resources.
B) what criteria do you employ when determining what launcher is the best? I'm sure some would disagree with you.
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sneakysolidbake said:
The point is to be able to use the stock launcher on other roms.
A) is that supposed be some kind of deterrent? I guess I'll take android off my phone since it uses Google's server resources.
B) what criteria do you employ when determining what launcher is the best? I'm sure some would disagree with you.
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A) Regular launchers don't rely on google's servers. Kindle's does. With out it half of the functions are gone.
B) I didn't know anyone did? After using a different launcher most people couldn't go back.
Summary: Like I said unless a lot of work went into this port. It wasn't sized, so I will be very cluttered in anything less then a 7" screen.

TyHi said:
A) Regular launchers don't rely on google's servers. Kindle's does. With out it half of the functions are gone.
B) I didn't know anyone did? After using a different launcher most people couldn't go back.
Summary: Like I said unless a lot of work went into this port. It wasn't sized, so I will be very cluttered in anything less then a 7" screen.
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A) If we follow your logic then, due to the launcher using kindles servers they should have never used it in the first place. That was their choice and its the users choice whether or not to use it.
B) That's because this group you claim as "most" are probably previous Android users. This is all personal preference so pretty much what you did was come into the thread and say "I don't care for this and neither do most people". How encouraging. And pointless.
If it was posted in KINDLE FIRE DEVELOPMENT, I don't see why anyone would try to run it on a screen smaller than 7".
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For me, it's a great idea. Kindle Fire UI is known for its easy use, e.g. kids or very noob.
For example, i'm interested to port it on nook or smartphone.

god2pac said:
For me, it's a great idea. Kindle Fire UI is known for its easy use, e.g. kids or very noob.
For example, i'm interested to port it on nook or smartphone.
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Yup,
Moms been stuck on stock since x-mas, traditional Android a bit complicated for her.

TyHi said:
Please note I'm not trying to put you down:
Even if you haven't released the directions I'm guessing you didn't re-size everything and it's a raw port? If there was no re-sizing then in reality this is a port for "other 7 inch tablets". Also The launcher a) uses a lot of amazons resources (server) b) it's not the best.
PROTIP #12312: Don't make your topic before you have a write-up. No ones going to take your topic in the 5 minutes it's going to take you.
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Jesus dude. At least wait for a screenshot before you go putting somebody's work down. At least he's trying to contribute, and it's up to us to decide whether or not this is something we can use.

A Request To This Forums Posters

I realize i'm probably going to get flamed immensely for this however for the sake of putting this out there i'll take that risk. I realize after having bought the Kindle Fire and finding out that there are better alternatives out there for the operating system you have become extremely excited, so have I. I understand because i'm also in this situation however what not many people seem to remember is that this new operating system opportunity is not supported by amazon, AKA you are not guaranteed this. The developers on this forum enjoy what they do and share their results with you because they choose to. These developers are not full time slaves to the kindle fire. They have their own personal lives and have jobs outside of these forums. The work they are doing is a great step forward for the Kindle Fire. In essence it makes the Kindle Fire worth more in the long run because it is capable of doing more than when you originally bought it. What am I trying to say? BE PATIENT! The developers have continuously updated the community on their progress, sometimes quickly and sometimes not so quickly. Their speed is their choice and often hinges on issues they run into with their own modding. If you are impatient try to do what they do, risk your kindle like they are and see if you can get better results. Please remember that these developers are doing you a favor and are NOT performing a service. Respect their work, offer criticism if you think it will help with the mod (AKA an issue you've found with the mod) and DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT TIME, they donate the time to you out of kindness, don't make them regret it out of greed.
Thank you,
Isaiahhhhh

I'm sure the 'wrong section' games will start in a minute but before they do...
please listen to what he says... It might not seem like a real issue at all... but it has become incredibly difficult for people to learn when the people that are capable of assisting are leaving... They're farther in between than they used to be, and they typically are not very eager to communicate, all work and no play. Be nice

rubbachicken said:
I'm sure the 'wrong section' games will start in a minute but before they do...
please listen to what he says... It might not seem like a real issue at all... but it has become incredibly difficult for people to learn when the people that are capable of assisting are leaving... They're farther in between than they used to be, and they typically are not very eager to communicate, all work and no play. Be nice
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agreed!
isaiahhhhh said:
I realize i'm probably going to get flamed immensely for this however for the sake of putting this out there i'll take that risk. I realize after having bought the Kindle Fire and finding out that there are better alternatives out there for the operating system you have become extremely excited, so have I. I understand because i'm also in this situation however what not many people seem to remember is that this new operating system opportunity is not supported by amazon, AKA you are not guaranteed this. The developers on this forum enjoy what they do and share their results with you because they choose to. These developers are not full time slaves to the kindle fire. They have their own personal lives and have jobs outside of these forums. The work they are doing is a great step forward for the Kindle Fire. In essence it makes the Kindle Fire worth more in the long run because it is capable of doing more than when you originally bought it. What am I trying to say? BE PATIENT! The developers have continuously updated the community on their progress, sometimes quickly and sometimes not so quickly. Their speed is their choice and often hinges on issues they run into with their own modding. If you are impatient try to do what they do, risk your kindle like they are and see if you can get better results. Please remember that these developers are doing you a favor and are NOT performing a service. Respect their work, offer criticism if you think it will help with the mod (AKA an issue you've found with the mod) and DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT TIME, they donate the time to you out of kindness, don't make them regret it out of greed.
Thank you,
Isaiahhhhh
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Thank you for reminding us.. I agree 100%!

I'll let it slide for a while, to make sure some of the newbs read it and realize how all true it is. We as devs, do this for fun, in our spare time. Enjoy what you get for free and... DON'T look a gift horse in the mouth! (< google it if you're too young to get it.. lol)

This post being in the wrong place just ruins it for me. Plus i honestly think that the only people that would get something out of this message is people like myself who ALREADY know that you shouldnt nag devs and you shouldnt be a ETA spamming retard.

Will Lollipop bring more development?

That title sounds like a prediction/speculation but honestly its just curiousity. If aftv gets lollipop is it likely to attract more developers?
I know its been said the in terms of development aftv was a letdown but think its still a very popular set top box. And if it wasnt for Geohot's root and rbox's just about everything else, this box wouldn't be modified at all.
But is the reason for that jellybean or Amazon's security or maybe a combination of both? Its just weird so many phones and tablets to choose from with all sorts of custom ROMs yet aftv was one of the only good choices for android based TV boxes yet very few developers were moved.

I'd call it a bit of a loaded question. If/when AFTV goes to Lollipop that will make it easier for Android devs to support or continue supporting AFTV along with other Android devices in general. So no, it's not going to attract more devs for AFTV only games/apps but yes more devs will make AFTV versions of their apps. Android 4 isn't THAT old and it's still fairly well supported, so I'd say it's more a case of moving to Lollipop before devs start abandoning it more than a case of attracting new devs. Of course this is just all my take, call it a guess or just speculation.

There is no way of knowing if more developers will work on the Fire TV if and when its upgraded. There is no way of even knowing how many developers have even tried to do things with the Fire TV. The one thing you are sure to see is a new influx of root talk once the Fire TV is upgraded to android 4.4, but if they are not able to accomplish root, that talk will die down quickly. I think some people are not realizing that the reason you do not see a lot of custom things for the Fire TV is because Amazon is winning the battle. Amazon has won the rooting battle, which turns a lot of people off to the Fire TV. In winning the rooting battle they have been able to keep the Fire TV the way they intended it to be. Sure you can run a launcher, but unless you are rooted, which most are not, then you are stuck with a black background on most lunchers, not to mention all the other things you cannot do unless you are rooted. There are a lot of people that think if they are not able to have root than the device is not worth it. I think that is part of why the Fire TV has not seen a lot of custom mods. To see what I mean just read the AT&T Galaxy Note 4 forums and you will see how many people talked about returning it just because it could not be rooted. They acted like the Galaxy note 4 was not worth a cent just because they could not root it. Amazon really has the Fire TV locked down right now and some people find it boring. This is what happens when smart company like Amazon stays on top of their product and takes measures to stop people from hacking it. The only other mainstream set top device that was never hacked or had very liitle customizations is the Apple TV 3, but the difference is that Apple has followers that will buy their products regardless, while I think if Amazon came out with a Fire TV 2 they would have people waiting to see if it was rootable before they buy it. Nobody wants to believe it, but Amazn has won thus far against devs hacking their device. A clear cut win for Amazon.

I'd say 95% of FireTV owners don't even care about root.
It's open enough as it is for most. We are a niche.

I figured itd be a tough thing to predict. However, to me this is a weird device in the android world. For awhile it was the only good choice in set top boxes (performance&price) and i dont think it was amazon's secure nature that impeded development. Root was achieved just a couple of months after its release and amazon didnt break root right away. I dont know the exact numbers but id say theres quite a few rooted aftvs in circulation. Phones are obviously more popular but you have soo many choices there. My gut says things will more or less remain static for aftv development but the why puzzles me a little. Guess it matters less and less. I hate amazon's insistence on control but cant complain about what theyve done recently. Overall, im happy with it and if that changes we now have good alternatives like nvidia shield.

Fire OS 5

Hi from Spain, I've just bought a Fire Phone and i have a question:
Does anyone know if it will get a Fire OS 5 update?.
Thanks in advanced.

Nobody does, Amazon claim yes but there's no timeline.
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zerbey said:
Nobody does, Amazon claim yes but there's no timeline.
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Ok, many thanks.

I am 99% convinced there will never be Fire OS 5 for Fire Phone.
Also no bootloader unlocker.
You probably have to live with that.

The FirePhone was dropped by Amazon and they fired about the half personell of their R&D dept.
So, no FOS 5 for the FP.

It is a pity, FP is a great smartphone.

pacocarismatico said:
It is a pity, FP is a great smartphone.
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If you haven't already, get Safestrap and replace FireOS with one of the custom ROMs (I'm a fan of Fire Nexus). So much better!

Hi, I saw a post at below address recently that the reply from Amazon seems positive.
tieba.baidu.com/p/4762152346
some captured message is as below.
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We are just planning to launch the Fire OS 5 on the Fire phone devices.
We will send this as an alert; In order to notify to all the customers before the launch.
There is no need to be concerned. Once if the update launches. Your fire phone device will be automatically updated with the software update.
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yuchyuan said:
Hi, I saw a post at below address recently that the reply from Amazon seems positive.
tieba.baidu.com/p/4762152346
some captured message is as below.
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We are just planning to launch the Fire OS 5 on the Fire phone devices.
We will send this as an alert; In order to notify to all the customers before the launch.
There is no need to be concerned. Once if the update launches. Your fire phone device will be automatically updated with the software update.
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That sounds great. Many thanks for the information.

Hello,
I understand your concern on getting Fire O.S 5 for your Fire Phone device.
Unfortunately, we've no announcement made about the release of Fire O.S 5 for Fire Phone devices. We announce new software releases when they are ready for customers. I'm sorry about this but I hope you understand our limitations.
From time to time, we test both new and existing features in the Fire Phone devices to determine which characteristics or services drive customer purchases and satisfaction.
​We're continually improving the Fire Phone experience to provide our customers with the greatest value, selection, and information about their purchasing decisions.

Hello,
I'm sorry; Fire OS 5 is not available for Fire phone at this time. Please accept my sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused to you.​
Currently we've made no announcement about a new software version for the Fire phone and at present we are unable to tell you when the new software version launches. Once we plan to release any new version, we'll update it on our website, thanks for inquiring about the new software version.
To make sure that your comments are heard by the right people in the organization, I've forwarded your concern to the appropriate people in our company and this way they can take notice of the issues you've pointed out, take your suggestions into consideration and make sure they are implemented in the near future as we plan for improvements.
It is always important for us to hear how customers react to all aspects. We truly value this kind of feedback, as it helps us continue to improve our store and provide better service to our customers.
Customer feedback like yours helps us continue to improve the service we provide, and we're glad you took time to write to us. The Fire phone Team will carefully review your message.
We appreciate your understanding and patience in this regard. Thanks for using Fire phone.
MY CONTACT MESSAGE: 09/09/16 10:31:23
Your Name: Azis Ozan
Kindle Name: Azis's Fire Phone
Kindle Serial Number: B0A20704437302W1
Device Type: A3SNN7STP3MAW9
Commentsescribe your question/inquiry about Fire Phone in brief. When FIRE Os 5 will be released for OUR FIRE PHONE? Please respond with normal answer, not copy/paste. We PAID 700$ for this phone and our fire phone's are based on Android kitkat. Did you know most apps requires API from Android lollipop minimum? I saw one answear on chinese forum from Amazon, was recently, this month, says you are working to release Fire Os 5 for Fire Phone. I want to tell me if it's true or false and if you can WHEN will be released!!! PLEASE DON'T RESPOND ME WITH IRELLEVANT ANSWER, WRITE SOME DETAILS. Sorry for my english, i hope you understand. PLEASE, HELP US. Your answer will be posted on xda forum.

ozan2 said:
Commentsescribe your question/inquiry about Fire Phone in brief. When FIRE Os 5 will be released for OUR FIRE PHONE? Please respond with normal answer, not copy/paste. We PAID 700$ for this phone and our fire phone's are based on Android kitkat. Did you know most apps requires API from Android lollipop minimum? I saw one answear on chinese forum from Amazon, was recently, this month, says you are working to release Fire Os 5 for Fire Phone. I want to tell me if it's true or false and if you can WHEN will be released!!! PLEASE DON'T RESPOND ME WITH IRELLEVANT ANSWER, WRITE SOME DETAILS. Sorry for my english, i hope you understand. PLEASE, HELP US. Your answer will be posted on xda forum.
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Pretty much ignored everything you asked for with the standard uninformative blurb. It's likely a template response they have for anyone asking about an update for the Fire Phone. They likely don't have anyone on staff anymore for the Fire Phone. Anyone that was still around likely got moved to other projects.

I asked them the same question few months ago and they answered the same. I think it is a standard answer for this question.
It is a pity that Amazon doesn't take care of its customers. We can only wait for Fire OS 5.
Many thanks for your answers.

I couldn't care less about Fire OS 5, but it would be nice if they would just give us the bootloader unlock since they have ceased supporting it. We can dream, right?

just unlock the bl and we will build FireOS5 ourselves

Hello, I've just write to Amazon and got this answer:
Hello Franz,
I apologize for the unsatisfactory experience and for the inconvenience caused you. That's definitely what we don't want our customers to experience.
To help you, in this case, I've forwarded your comments to our developer and higher authority to let them know that how our customers are experiencing trouble with Fire phone.
It is my humble request please extend your patience and understanding while we work on this.We'll get back to you with an update with a satisfactory resolution shortly.
Rest assured, we are here to take care of issues you encounter and we always endeavor to provide the best service to our valued customers and aim to ensure that the issue is resolved to the fullest satisfaction.
We hope to see you soon.
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This was in answer of:
Hi,
First of all, I ask you please read this entire mail, and try to make it reach people who can do something about this issue.
I will like to know if you can give any news about a software update on Fire Phone. I can understand you discontinued the product but less than 2 years of support is something that I would never expected from Amazon. I make a buying decision counting on Amazon good sense of responsibility and customer satisfaction.
Me and a considerable number of users are claiming for a Fire 5.0 OS in order to be able keep using most of the newest apps. Also features like Google Play Services are required for apps that aren't in the App Store, and the newest versions stopped working on the Fire Phone. My WhatsApp isn't functional on Fire Phone anymore, and using it from Google Play doesn't let me know how many messages are pending for reading. So I feel like I am forced to use a bugged phone or buy a new one. This is really frustrating considering that Nexus 5, Moto X, The HTC One M8 (among others) are from 2014 as well and still being completely functional and working with Android 6.0.
Can you please give me a satisfactory answer? Or should I assume that Amazon tricked me selling me a phone with an early expiration date?
Thanks in advance for your time and help,
Best
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I think the best we can do is write Amazon making clear that at this point, we are somewhat cheated by them. Too much people angry trash talking about Amazon isn't something that I think they really like.

Fwanz said:
Hello, I've just write to Amazon and got this answer:
Hello Franz,
I apologize for the unsatisfactory experience and for the inconvenience caused you. That's definitely what we don't want our customers to experience.
To help you, in this case, I've forwarded your comments to our developer and higher authority to let them know that how our customers are experiencing trouble with Fire phone.
It is my humble request please extend your patience and understanding while we work on this.We'll get back to you with an update with a satisfactory resolution shortly.
Rest assured, we are here to take care of issues you encounter and we always endeavor to provide the best service to our valued customers and aim to ensure that the issue is resolved to the fullest satisfaction.
We hope to see you soon.
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This was in answer of:
Hi,
First of all, I ask you please read this entire mail, and try to make it reach people who can do something about this issue.
I will like to know if you can give any news about a software update on Fire Phone. I can understand you discontinued the product but less than 2 years of support is something that I would never expected from Amazon. I make a buying decision counting on Amazon good sense of responsibility and customer satisfaction.
Me and a considerable number of users are claiming for a Fire 5.0 OS in order to be able keep using most of the newest apps. Also features like Google Play Services are required for apps that aren't in the App Store, and the newest versions stopped working on the Fire Phone. My WhatsApp isn't functional on Fire Phone anymore, and using it from Google Play doesn't let me know how many messages are pending for reading. So I feel like I am forced to use a bugged phone or buy a new one. This is really frustrating considering that Nexus 5, Moto X, The HTC One M8 (among others) are from 2014 as well and still being completely functional and working with Android 6.0.
Can you please give me a satisfactory answer? Or should I assume that Amazon tricked me selling me a phone with an early expiration date?
Thanks in advance for your time and help,
Best
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I think the best we can do is write Amazon making clear that at this point, we are somewhat cheated by them. Too much people angry trash talking about Amazon isn't something that I think they really like.
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Can you PM the email address you sent this to? I'd like to send them one as well.

eddychecker said:
Can you PM the email address you sent this to? I'd like to send them one as well.
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Of course, this address [email protected]

there are tutorials how to install cyanogenmod on fire phone. So why is there no fire os 5 custom rom yet ?

hintzsche said:
So why is there no fire os 5 custom rom yet ?
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Because it is not possible to unlock the bootloader. So everything custom is based on Kitkat.

I'm looking to pay cash $$$ for live help with Amazon Fire TV.

Who wants to get paid for their time? Tomorrow, April 27th 2021.
I need one hour, two at the MOST,
Just to help me out and answer questions that I may have while I jailbreak my firestick and fire cube for the first time.
This is a serious offer. I know enough to get it done but I'm still a noob. I don't have the time it would take for me to research every question/issue that I encounter.

xFaLzY said:
Who wants to get paid for their time? Tomorrow, April 27th 2021.
I need one hour, two at the MOST,
Just to help me out and answer questions that I may have while I jailbreak my firestick and fire cube for the first time.
This is a serious offer. I know enough to get it done but I'm still a noob. I don't have the time it would take for me to research every question/issue that I encounter.
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Jailbreak? Jailbreak is a term that is used for apple. People call sideloading apps on the firestick jailbreaking, if that is what you want. I am not into collecting money for helping. This is really easy, goto settings turn on ADB debugging and unknown apps in develoment options. Goto about in setting find your IP address, then use this app to connect and install apps....
ADB link
Jocala Software
jocala.com
I am assuming this is all you want to do is install 3rd part apps. Buying a jailbroken firestick is a scam....

xFaLzY said:
Who wants to get paid for their time? Tomorrow, April 27th 2021.
I need one hour, two at the MOST,
Just to help me out and answer questions that I may have while I jailbreak my firestick and fire cube for the first time.
This is a serious offer. I know enough to get it done but I'm still a noob. I don't have the time it would take for me to research every question/issue that I encounter.
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Just seen this post there lol
I think offering cash for something that is done by the developers for the illusion and buzz (not to mention the education) is rather counterproductive to development. It's really okay to help/donate to these guys who work hard and help them with materials and test devices etcetera.
However, that being said to offer up ££$$$ for the sake of getting it done quicker.
I don't want to offend you as I recently done to another member.
But use the search function and by all means learn from what you read ( the way we all had to do it) whilst this is a bit late for your deadline.
It's more satisfying doing it by yourself instead of lining the pockets of these scammers you see out there. As @Michajin said it is really easy to do but jailbreaking refers to apple/ios not android.
Anyone else reading this for future reference needing help in a hurry and feels its taking too long for a response. Pm me and we'll set up a chat or whatever and I'll guide you free of charge.