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[q] Pros and Cons of Sense and No-Sense on Desire?

Hi all!
As per topic, actually.
I hope this is the right section to ask for this, as I want to make it specific for the Desire ROMs and not all the ROMs with Sense or No Sense.
I plan on getting an HTC Desire and having a custom ROM right away (that is, after going through all the required process of rooting etc.).
My question is the following:
What should I ask myself when choosing between a Sense and No Sense ROM(other than the UI experience)?
While doing a research through the forum I found some answers, however nothing was too informative. E.g. I found out that if one wants to play games in a custom ROM he should go for a No Sense ROM.
Is it because Sense ROM affects the performance or is it because of the way its settings are that does not interact with games well.
Does this happen to other kinds of applications as well?
Is there anything else that one needs to keep in mind when chosing for a ROM when it comes to Sense or No Sense?
Why go for Sense and why for No Sense?
I realize this is too much to ask, but as I searched through the forum and did not find anything specific, I believe that this will be helpful information for Desire newbies like me.
Thank you!

This may not answer your question in the depth you asked but from my own experience after using roms with and without sense I prefer the ones with sense.
Did not find any appreciable difference in speed but prefered sense roms from a purely aesthtic point of view.
Best idea is to get the phone and try different roms to see what you like. There are so many roms and everybody has their favourite that you will not get a definative answer.

The fun part is, once you are rooted you can test all ROMs and see which work best for you.
You can either spend hours trying to find an answer to this particular question or you can just try a couple of them and see what works best for you.
Sense comes with a couple of wonderful apps, which you lose (like the FM-radio) when you use a non-Sense ROM.
I don't need them per se, so I am currently on WhiteXperience, which is non-sense.
This ROM is extremely fast with low battery usage, which makes it great for playing games.
New ROMs come out every day and they get better and better each day.

A Thread with a question I also want to know since several weeks
If I get a no Sense ROM do I lose all HTC specific programs.
Widgets, ok, no issue. I don't use them either. Use Launcher Pro.
But programs, especially the mail client, how's that? Do I have to search a new one from the Market? I don't think there is one available as powerful as the HTC one.

I prefer using the sense roms cause I get the sense dialer which I much prefer over the stock Android dialer, including the contacts manager. However in using adw launcher as it feels much faster than the sense interface
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Rymon said:
E.g. I found out that if one wants to play games in a custom ROM he should go for a No Sense ROM.
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I've not heard that one before! I've no problems playing games with a Sense ROM.
Regards,
Dave

I love sense and can't do without it now. Sense-less roms feel really empty and boring to me now.

Doesn't really answer your question, but there are a couple ROMs that have the UI portion of sense (i believe its called rosie) removed and then had the dialer/contacts/etc ported to work with stock or alternate launchers. Iirc Cyanogen is one like this... might help you out going that route too..
As to the actual question.. I have noticed that non-sense roms do seem to be a noticeably faster, but its usually cause most are highly tweaked for increased performance and usually include a2sd+. A lot of the sense roms are also tweaked as well, but usually include the froyo a2sd, which doesn't seem to be as much of a performance boost. Onto of which most of the tweaked to the sense based roms are for UI improvements, themes, etc. And not as hardcore performance based...
Just my 2 cents... IMHO... Take it as you will
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sbdags said:
I love sense and can't do without it now. Sense-less roms feel really empty and boring to me now.
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I had a Motorola Milestone previously so I'm used to the stock Android.. if you want something with a little more umph, I really recommend LauncherPro (and LP Plus). My fav launcher by far!
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mikeandjaimie said:
Doesn't really answer your question, but there are a couple ROMs that have the UI portion of sense (i believe its called rosie) removed and then had the dialer/contacts/etc ported to work with stock or alternate launchers. Iirc Cyanogen is one like this... might help you out going that route too..
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Just an fyi, but CyanogenMod is most assuredly *nothing* like this.
CyanogenMod is based on AOSP Android, but has been significantly customized from the original source. It owes nothing to the Sense frameworks that HTC have built into their own version of Android.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Just an fyi, but CyanogenMod is most assuredly *nothing* like this.
CyanogenMod is based on AOSP Android, but has been significantly customized from the original source. It owes nothing to the Sense frameworks that HTC have built into their own version of Android.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry yeah I worded it wrong.. I should have said sense-less ROMs that have some of the sense components ported. My bad, but thanks for pointing it out.
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Thank you everyone!
I will follow your advice and try out different ROMS of both UIs (Sense and non-Sense) and see which of the two I prefer.
I will most probably start with a Sense ROM and if I stumble upon any issues I will try the other one as well.
Can you please point me towards two or three ROMs of each UI that I should definitely try out?
As for the battery efficiency of the ROM I do not worry. I have stumbled upon a couple of threads that IMHO give the best advice I could get when it comes to managing several phone settings in order to reduce power drainage.

Try this one, you can remove Sense very quickly if you want, but Sense Dialer will stay, which is better anyway.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741661

You wouldn't go wrong trying the Cyanogenmod ROM, its a non-sense one, but as stated before, very tweaked.
As regards one of the other posters, an excellent replacement for the mail app is K-9, you'll find it in the market, and its been my mail app of choice since I owned my G1, it handles IMAP very well, though I've not tried it with an exchange server, so can't comment there
Hope that helps

Tried many sense and non-sense roms. This is what I found:
HTC Sense roms have:
- Better Gallery, faster and with better zoom
- Better Dialer, faster, sleek and functional
- Better and nicer graphics for contacts
- Better camera application. Touch focus (coming to non-sense), better autofocus
- Better integrated Clipboard and selection mode
- Some other HTC applications for News, Twitter, Plurk, Facebook, Weather, etc. But these can be replaced more easily
- Some nice widgets for the above applications. They have a very nice graphic appearance
- (subjective) better memory management, I find AOSP builds too aggressive in some regards
- Nice touches like usb-plugging choice, Bluetooth FTP, etc
- Medium-high auto brightness levels
For Non-Sense roms you get:
- many kernels to choose, OC, UV, etc. At least until htc froyo source is released
- crazy high benchmarks if you OC
- much more configurability, mainly for the interface
- configurable Auto-brightness
- system wide equalizer
- some stuff I don't use (so I don't know well) like OpenVPN
- WiFi N ?
- Cyanogen Renders (in some)
- many new tweaks and releases every week
personally I really don't mind the bugs and quirks you sometimes get in AOSP roms, but I can't really live with the available alternatives to the HTC Gallery, Dialer and Camera.
Anyway these are some of the possible replacements for HTC stuff:
- Email client -> Maildroid
- Dialer -> Dialer One
- Gallery -> .... uuuuhmmmm .... errrr..... either Stock 3D Gallery or Just Pictures. They are both crap in my opinion
- Camera -> Vignette or just use stock Nexus One
- Home Launcher -> Many to choose
- News -> Feedr
- Twitter -> official client

What you want from a ROM ?

Hey guys i just curious about what people want from a rom.Devs welcome
in my opinion : im good with 3.0 sense without bloatware i want cyanogen high brightness flashlight (i couldnt find any sense roms got this why? ) and an rom addon to overclock and to change governor(like an app or under settings )
that's my thoughts about a dream rom
i think its very important to participate cuz devs can understand what people want from a rom
Thank you !
And im using virtous unity 2.39

The answers to this post will be as different as what people think the best ROM actually is. The best answer is variety. We need some of each.

For me:
Simple but pleasing transitions. (I like 3D cube in MIUI)
All important apps accessible with as few button clicks as possible.
A decent keyboard. (I'll be reviewing my favorite soon) (I did like the HTC one when I used Sense.)
I'm happy with stock speed.
I'm happy with Camera/video camera app. (MIUI)
Easy to change theme for when I fancy a change.
It must include a file manager.
I prefer not to have Sense. I enjoyed it but prefer not to have it at the moment.
As few as possible included apps. (We can install them separately if necessary.)
As soon as you show it to a female - she gives you her number.

A nice and classic boot animation. No fancy stuff.
I enjoy Sense, both 3.0 and 3.5 so any will do. Classic themes.
Classic sounds. I actually like stock very much, but with tweaks and oc.
Both ARHD and Runny1.4 fullfill this, except Runny's boot screen. Although awesome, it's not what i'm looking for.

A Rom for me must be uncluttered, stable, quick, and customisable. ARHD springs to mind lol.
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It really is not gonna matter to be honest. As stated above you will get a different answer from everyone. Also I hate to tell you this but these rims are not built for the user. They are built for the Dev and then he decides to share. For far too long people have forgoten what is done here on XDA. This is not a place to come and get a cool 100%working Rom. These roms will always have beta tags as they are all hacked software to see if the Dev can get it to work and then they share for others to learn. This is not a place to make your phone cool. This is a place where you get a Rom you like and then dig in to help fix any problems that come up. And no that doesn't mean by posting "this doesn't work" it means by digging in and finding the bug with all the tools XDA gives you. With the entry of android I think a lot of people have forgotten why we are here and what this site is about.
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[Q] Help needed choosing ROM and Kernel

Hello, I have recently rooted and unlocked my Arc and I am now looking for a Kernel and ROM to start my custom experience with. I do not want to insult or under value the hard work of developers by asking for advice on the "best" ROM, however I find myself becoming increasingly more confused with the options available.
I am looking for a Kernel and ROM that give me JB, no lag, overclocking, good battery life, camera, wifi, bluetooth, smooth operation non beta and is more interesting then the stock ROM. I am not a gamer and rarely use HDMI.
I have searched XDA and have read so many opinions and spun around so many times that I now find myself looking up my own arse.
Could someone let me know what has worked and continues to work for them.
Cheers.

These threads get closed for a reason. Stick with the stock ROM or read the dev threads and choose. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2147836

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[Q] Daily Driver ROM - Like stock but fast and debloated

Hello,
I am looking for a custom ROM that is based on the stock builds but, debloated, rooted, and fast. I have always found these for Captivate, and S2. I can't seem to find one for the S3.
The open source ROMs are super slick and cool, but, I actually prefer the way stock Samsung handles the dialer, contacts, email, and messaging. As this is 90% of my usage, it is 90% of my enjoyment.
I do like the speed and options available in a custom ROM though. I need a daily driver with options
Any recommendations?
Thanks...DCF

dcfnet said:
Hello,
I am looking for a custom ROM that is based on the stock builds but, debloated, rooted, and fast. I have always found these for Captivate, and S2. I can't seem to find one for the S3.
The open source ROMs are super slick and cool, but, I actually prefer the way stock Samsung handles the dialer, contacts, email, and messaging. As this is 90% of my usage, it is 90% of my enjoyment.
I do like the speed and options available in a custom ROM though. I need a daily driver with options
Any recommendations?
Thanks...DCF
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I'm liking S3RX, has Aroma installer so you can have it as stock or custom as you want.
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ra4013 said:
I'm liking S3RX, has Aroma installer so you can have it as stock or custom as you want.
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Thanks! I downloaded that one and am getting ready to install it now...

Quantum
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CyanogenMod
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dcfnet said:
Hello,
I am looking for a custom ROM that is based on the stock builds but, debloated, rooted, and fast. I have always found these for Captivate, and S2. I can't seem to find one for the S3.
The open source ROMs are super slick and cool, but, I actually prefer the way stock Samsung handles the dialer, contacts, email, and messaging. As this is 90% of my usage, it is 90% of my enjoyment.
I do like the speed and options available in a custom ROM though. I need a daily driver with options
Any recommendations?
Thanks...DCF
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Dandroid, the one am running right now, its all you described but covered with a CyanogenMod theme or look, you'll love it when you try it
if you dont like its your choice to try as many roms as you want.....................
Dandroid works perfectly for me, also Synergy, Intergalactic Rom

ra4013 said:
I'm liking S3RX, has Aroma installer so you can have it as stock or custom as you want.
Sent from my S3rx Cobalt Blue powered S3
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I concur.

XDA is a development site not a support site. As such members are expected to do the research, read through the development threads and decide what is BEST for them. The only results that would be posted here are what each member has found to be BEST for them by experimentation based on their phone/usage/setup/apps/signal strength. Please take the time to read through those development threads to learn all about the software you are about to drastically alter your very expensive device with.
Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your cooperation.
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EFM
Have a great day!

[Q] Which is the best Custom rom for Note II

Hi guys, tell me wich is the best rom for you? I need good battery and aircommand feature

Re: [ROM][5.0][Lollipop][Official] NamelessROM 2.0 [ALPHA] [20141117]
Cyanogenmod, only no aircommand.. But newest Android stil.

The DN4 rom is awesome for it. I don't these types of threads are allowed. Xda encourages you to try diffrent roms not ask like this. Good luck
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beblioy said:
Hi guys, tell me wich is the best rom for you? I need good battery and aircommand feature
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There is no such thing as "best rom", It's subjective and just own opinion. To find your answer try some and find out what is "best" for you.
Alternatively use common sense, Do you think you're the only person to have ever asked this question? Use search and read topics that already exist, no need for another.

Every ROM is the BEST! Ask anyone currently using any ROM...they have found it is the BEST for THEM. Battery life is dependent on kernel, kernel settings, syncs that YOU set up, signal strength, brightness,..and many other non-ROM settings which YOU set up. Air Command features you will find listed in the OP of the ROM if they are working or not.
Happy flashing!