Nasty CruzerLite from Amazon - One (M7) Accessories

CruzerLite A2 arrived greasy, dirty, and scuffed. Not thrilled. Looked like this when I pulled it from package. Cleaning with moist paper towel accomplished nothing.
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phositadc said:
CruzerLite A2 arrived greasy, dirty, and scuffed. Not thrilled. Looked like this when I pulled it from package. Cleaning with moist paper towel accomplished nothing.
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it looks like defective gloss coating. Did they issue you a replacement?

Droidguy987 said:
it looks like defective gloss coating. Did they issue you a replacement?
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Haven't gotten around to asking yet. Will probably just deal with Amazon though through Amazon web page, rather than dealing directly with CruzerLite.
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phositadc said:
Haven't gotten around to asking yet. Will probably just deal with Amazon though through Amazon web page, rather than dealing directly with CruzerLite.
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shoot an email to [email protected] He can get you help fast.

I don't like how weak it feels on the volume rocker side. I've ordered the poetic atmosphere.

gunnyman said:
I don't like how weak it feels on the volume rocker side. I've ordered the poetic atmosphere.
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Interesting. I actually love the way it feels. Now just need to get a clean one.
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phositadc said:
Interesting. I actually love the way it feels. Now just need to get a clean one.
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my volume rocker side bends so much it doesn't feel like it can do its job if the phone ever ends up face down.

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Cruzerlite TPU Androidified REVIEW

Hey guys,
So Im fully migrated and with lots of cases to review. Im gonna start the serie with the Cruzerlite androidified. This case is one of my favorite ones (next to the diztronic) Its a perfect match between budget and looks. ITs thin, has the android in the back and gives good protection.
Here it is guys!
http://youtu.be/1RxYErG50A0
i also love this case... fits very snug
i just got mine today, anyone else have the holes slightly off?
Thanks for the video review. The sides look a little flimsy though. I still will probably buy one just because it has Andy the Android on it
RotaryXperiment7 said:
i just got mine today, anyone else have the holes slightly off?
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Mine are. I think the US Variants are a little thicker than the International models.
ReggieTee said:
Mine are. I think the US Variants are a little thicker than the International models.
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No. You just need to fiddle with the case until everything lines up. There's a certain way to put on right.
zmore said:
No. You just need to fiddle with the case until everything lines up. There's a certain way to put on right.
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This.
When i first got mine i thought it didnt quite line up right, but then i figured out how to put it on right.
Dont start with a corner, start at the top or bottom and line up the mic hole. The other end will line itself up.
The fit really is perfect.
kegacide said:
i also love this case... fits very snug
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yep its super snug , which is a must for me!
faulkton said:
This.
When i first got mine i thought it didnt quite line up right, but then i figured out how to put it on right.
Dont start with a corner, start at the top or bottom and line up the mic hole. The other end will line itself up.
The fit really is perfect.
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exactly, Its all about moving the case, Remember it is a tpu case therefore u can manipulate it a little bit. Dont get me wrong I thought the same thing, however after playing with it a little, it is just user error until placed correctly
Both the Cruzerlite and Amazon say that the cases are for the international version i9100. Can someone confirm if they fit the Tmobile T999? Thanks.
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taier said:
Both the Cruzerlite and Amazon say that the cases are for the international version i9100. Can someone confirm if they fit the Tmobile T999? Thanks.
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my video is with the tmo version
All Galaxy SIII are exactly the same physically. All cases and accessories ate interchangeable.
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Btw - if you can't stand to look at the splotchy parts on the back of the translucent cruzerlites where it sticks to the phone, I followed another's recommendation by smearing a tiny bit of baby talcum powder inside the case, and it seems to work.
Maybe this is something cruzerlite could do at the factory? Talcum powder is a 1 on the mohs scale of hardness, so it's not an abrasive.
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zaisaroni said:
All Galaxy SIII are exactly the same physically. All cases and accessories ate interchangeable.
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This!!! And it's actually a very good thing imho
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zmore said:
Btw - if you can't stand to look at the splotchy parts on the back of the translucent cruzerlites where it sticks to the phone, I followed another's recommendation by smearing a tiny bit of baby talcum powder inside the case, and it seems to work.
Maybe this is something cruzerlite could do at the factory? Talcum powder is a 1 on the mohs scale of hardness, so it's not an abrasive.
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Damn, that's a good idea. I just tossed the cruzerlite to the side and got a speck case. I am going to have to try that. I like switching up cases every couple of weeks.
Pretty nice!
I just got mine today from Amazon.
Initials impressions is that it is quite nice. It fits pretty snug and looks nice on the phone. Especially if you like Andy the android. It is way easier to hold my phone now, especially with the side grips. I much prefer this soft TPU feel than to the hard plastic. There is a nice quality feel to the material.
My only complaint is the same as the users above me mentioned, the splotchy wet look on the back. Easily overcome with the talcum powder suggestion. Thanks zmore! Good looking out :highfive:
Phone is still quite thin after it is on. All in all, good buy, I highly recommend!
Now, back to flashing!
SmokeRob said:
I just got mine today from Amazon.
Initials impressions is that it is quite nice. It fits pretty snug and looks nice on the phone. Especially if you like Andy the android. It is way easier to hold my phone now, especially with the side grips. I much prefer this soft TPU feel than to the hard plastic. There is a nice quality feel to the material.
My only complaint is the same as the users above me mentioned, the splotchy wet look on the back. Easily overcome with the talcum powder suggestion. Thanks zmore! Good looking out :highfive:
Phone is still quite thin after it is on. All in all, good buy, I highly recommend!
Now, back to flashing!
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do you have any pictures
I had the same problem with the cutouts, but you can move it enough to line them up more or less. The cutouts are so big, they do not feel precision cut at all.
I imagine the talc trick would also make the case easier to move on the phone.
Not great with invisible shields as the case can pull up the edges due to the tight fit.
Overall, great for 10 bucks though.
taier said:
Both the Cruzerlite and Amazon say that the cases are for the international version i9100. Can someone confirm if they fit the Tmobile T999? Thanks.
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you want i9300 not i9100 btw
Droidguy987 said:
do you have any pictures
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Actually, Amazon has some decent pictures up on their site.
Sorry, I can't post a link since I have so few posts. But if my attachments come through, there are a couple pictures.

Nilkin Cases Love these look awesome

I have these on my Nexus 4 and they rock feel and look awesome. Just order them for my HTC one. will report back. Usually about 1 or 2 weeks shipping.
http://www.netimes.com/shop/nillkin...-p-4669.html?cPath=80_965&number_of_uploads=0
I've got one and it is great. Nice fit and finish, offer side and back protection which is all I car about. Feels good in hand too.
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i ordered mine last night, should receive it sometime this week!
is the power button cut out so we can use the IR blaster?
Look for pictures - in short yes the IR is fine.
It does not cover the whole phone. Back and sides. Top has a small notch for headphones trimmed out and bottom is open.
Most of these type of cases will always be that way. I think the POETIC case apparently had this issue.
How do you design a case and knowing all the specs and you forget about the IR ?
Paleryder said:
is the power button cut out so we can use the IR blaster?
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The case dosen't cover the top so yes.
That painting to the left.
I'm getting real tired of yo' sh*t, One.
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aaaand... back on topic.
Nice case! I'm still hunting down the perfect case; meanwhile I've just ordered a cheap transparent case for about £3.
I'm tempted by the Nilkin, but the fact that it doesn't protect the top and bottom is a bit off-putting.
Something like the double-dip hard case would be great for me, but I'm just not keen on the colours they used.
I rather like the look of the Urban Armor Gear cases though. I just wish they had it in this colour.
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That painting to the left.
aaaand... back on topic.
Nice case! I'm still hunting down the perfect case; meanwhile I've just ordered a cheap transparent case for about £3.
I'm tempted by the Nilkin, but the fact that it doesn't protect the top and bottom is a bit off-putting.
Something like the double-dip hard case would be great for me, but I'm just not keen on the colours they used.
I rather like the look of the Urban Armor Gear cases though. I just wish they had it in this colour.
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It does cover the corners which would take the hit if it goes down
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i am unsure about the looks of the back... you think taking the phone out of this would hurt it if done a lot?
Ordered a red and black one of these for 4 quid each off eBay should be here in a week or two, coming directly from China!
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I've heard that the Nilkins are quite slippery to the touch. Can anyone comment if this is true?
Sodalitas said:
I've heard that the Nilkins are quite slippery to the touch. Can anyone comment if this is true?
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It is, very silky smooth on the sides.
Definitely less slippery than the phone would be on its own.
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jakirkla said:
Definitely less slippery than the phone would be on its own.
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very good cover
Sodalitas said:
I've heard that the Nilkins are quite slippery to the touch. Can anyone comment if this is true?
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I've yet to get my HTC One but my Nillkin case has arrived and yes, it is true that the case is slippery. It feels like powder on paper less the powder of course. It's that kind of slippery.
Kedgez said:
I've yet to get my HTC One but my Nillkin case has arrived and yes, it is true that the case is slippery. It feels like powder on paper less the powder of course. It's that kind of slippery.
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how long did the shipment take? i just ordered mines yesterday.
thatguy52 said:
how long did the shipment take? i just ordered mines yesterday.
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Mine took 11 days including weekends... I ordered from Obostore: http://www.obostore.com/nillkin-ultra-slim-hard-case-for-htc-one-m7-p-13717.html
I ordered from a US seller. Got here in two days.
I like the feel of it. The rigid back and the soft sides is nice. I got the white one. It will probably attract more dirt
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Looks like a great case. I think I might order one. Thanks for posting.
Kedgez said:
I've yet to get my HTC One but my Nillkin case has arrived and yes, it is true that the case is slippery. It feels like powder on paper less the powder of course. It's that kind of slippery.
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The sides of the Nillkin are the smooth rubbery coating like you would find on the back of some of HTC's older phones (ie S710). The back is textured with a pattern, so it isn't the same feeling as the sides. I would say it's definitely less slippery than the phone naked.

Aluminum bumpers for nexus 5?

I had a devilcase for my HTC one and loved it but they aren't making a version for the nexus 5 unfortunately. Anyone know of anything similar for the nexus 5?
vivanshah said:
I had a devilcase for my HTC one and loved it but they aren't making a version for the nexus 5 unfortunately. Anyone know of anything similar for the nexus 5?
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not yet but spigen has a very slim tpu case with an aluminum bumper that goes over the tpu...
Dani897 said:
not yet but spigen has a very slim tpu case with an aluminum bumper that goes over the tpu...
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You mean the Neo Hybrid case? It's not aluminum, it's plastic and the case is crazy slippery. Not recommended.
Jester23 said:
You mean the Neo Hybrid case? It's not aluminum, it's plastic and the case is crazy slippery. Not recommended.
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is it plastic?? well that sux. guess i didn't read enough of the description..
Dani897 said:
is it plastic?? well that sux. guess i didn't read enough of the description..
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Yup. I actually sanded mine and I've coated it with plastidip... Waiting for it to dry.. Hope to have much better grip now... Still looking for the perfect case....
Jester23 said:
Yup. I actually sanded mine and I've coated it with plastidip... Waiting for it to dry.. Hope to have much better grip now... Still looking for the perfect case....
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Great idea!
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I have the neo hybrid and its not slippery at all. The whole back is extremely grippy and only the outside lip is smooth plastic. Its far less slippery than the nexus4 and my old GS2.
whooda said:
I have the neo hybrid and its not slippery at all. The whole back is extremely grippy and only the outside lip is smooth plastic. Its far less slippery than the nexus4 and my old GS2.
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Yours must be an exception then, since you're the only one I've seen say that.
The back on mine was incredibly slippery.
Andrew025 said:
Yours must be an exception then, since you're the only one I've seen say that.
The back on mine was incredibly slippery.
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mine is extremely slippery swell. so is the plastic bumper, I wrote a complaint letter to soigen in the hope that they don't use that texture again. I still use the case though. might just end uonwith a cheap eBay tpu case with grippy edges.
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Yup. I actually sanded mine and I've coated it with plastidip... Waiting for it to dry.. Hope to have much better grip now... Still looking for the perfect case....
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I tried plastidip once, sounded great in theory until you put it in your pocket and it pulls out every piece of lint that was in there.
I would love an aluminum bumper. Hope someone knows of one in the works
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Hi,
I have to agree, it's extremely slippy, so bad for me that I have already ordered replacement.
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[edit] Call me stupid... I just had my Slim Armour case off and indeed it is *not* an aluminum backplate. I put it on so quickly when I first received it, and it had been outside in my mailbox all day, so it felt cold and with the anodized-look I just assumed aluminum without thinking about it very hard.
I agree with others regarding the slippery-ness of it though... But I really like the look so i'm just being really careful not to drop it when I whip it out of my pocket.
How about this one?
Im thinking if ordering one..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H9HB4WA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
Goezen said:
How about this one?
Im thinking if ordering one..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H9HB4WA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
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What the hell, I ordered it to try it. :fingers-crossed:
Xtremjeepn said:
What the hell, I ordered it to try it. :fingers-crossed:
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Thats the way!
Let us know how it is when you get it.
Goezen said:
Thats the way!
Let us know how it is when you get it.
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At least I can post some higher quality photos
Goezen said:
How about this one?
Im thinking if ordering one..
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H9HB4WA/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=
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These look real nice. I would have gotten it if I wasn't planning on getting a zerolemon battery case
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Try this. A much cheaper source for the same thing.
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-...-protective-sleeve-for-Google/1566805230.html
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It doesn't seem like it would offer much protection though.

Spigen slim armor nexus 5

Any tip on how to remove spigen slim armor from nexus 5?
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I usually keep the two pieces together, just take it off starting from one of the sides.
PsychDrummer said:
I usually keep the two pieces together, just take it off starting from one of the sides.
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Is that how you put it on too, keep the pieces together? I should be getting mine today.
t1.8matt said:
Is that how you put it on too, keep the pieces together? I should be getting mine today.
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Yeah, it's easier that way.
PsychDrummer said:
Yeah, it's easier that way.
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Thanks man, can't wait to give it a go. I'm actually excited to get this case. Fedex can't get here fast enough.
t1.8matt said:
Thanks man, can't wait to give it a go. I'm actually excited to get this case. Fedex can't get here fast enough.
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No problem. The only issue I've been having with it is that it tends to collect dust on the phone. Along the edges and inside the cutouts. Let me know if you experience the same issue.
PsychDrummer said:
No problem. The only issue I've been having with it is that it tends to collect dust on the phone. Along the edges and inside the cutouts. Let me know if you experience the same issue.
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I kinda like keeping my phone clean so I wouldn't let dust collect anyways but we'll see what happens. For some reason I don't think it's getting delivered today even though it says it's in transit.
I bought several cases so far and always end up going back to Slim Armor. It adds a bit of bulk but the protection is great. I actually dropped my phone 3 times from about pocket height on ceramic tiles and tarmac and once when my 9mo son smashed it on the marble table. Took the phone out and not a single damage on it. I admire the stealthy look of the black one plus the cut out are very precise. Only downside is the bottom part where the micro USB port sits has a slight gap that do tend to collect dust but I can live with that
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My Slim Armor case has been in my city for 5 day's and they won't let me pick it up. Damn FedEx. I ordered a case from Trident after I ordered the Spigen and I'm already getting that one today. Irritating. How long has it taken people ordering this case from Amazon to receive theirs?
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I bought several cases so far and always end up going back to Slim Armor. It adds a bit of bulk but the protection is great. I actually dropped my phone 3 times from about pocket height on ceramic tiles and tarmac and once when my 9mo son smashed it on the marble table. Took the phone out and not a single damage on it. I admire the stealthy look of the black one plus the cut out are very precise. Only downside is the bottom part where the micro USB port sits has a slight gap that do tend to collect dust but I can live with that
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Thanks, I use the case but I haven't really dropped it yet (luckily). Was wondering if the protection was really good on it. Of course drops vary and anyone can get unlucky but it's still nice to hear.
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My Slim Armor case has been in my city for 5 day's and they won't let me pick it up. Damn FedEx. I ordered a case from Trident after I ordered the Spigen and I'm already getting that one today. Irritating. How long has it taken people ordering this case from Amazon to receive theirs?
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I was actually in a rush to get mine because I didn't want to walk around too long without a case so I paid for two day shipping. It is prime eligible though. Most items that are prime eligible even if you don't have prime and choose the 3-5 day shipping it gets there fairly quickly. At least in my experience.
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Thanks, I use the case but I haven't really dropped it yet (luckily). Was wondering if the protection was really good on it. Of course drops vary and anyone can get unlucky but it's still nice to hear.
I was actually in a rush to get mine because I didn't want to walk around too long without a case so I paid for two day shipping. It is prime eligible though. Most items that are prime eligible even if you don't have prime and choose the 3-5 day shipping it gets there fairly quickly. At least in my experience.
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I'm just anxious cause it really looks one a great case and it's ridiculous to have a package sit a couple miles from your house for 5 days. It was sent FedEx smart post, which goes from shipper, to FedEx, then to my post office. Doesn't sound too smart to me.
I laugh at the online reviews of this case, where the reviewer separates the two halves and then struggles to put the case on the phone.
It is a two piece case, but it is made to be used like a one piece case.
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t1.8matt said:
I'm just anxious cause it really looks one a great case and it's ridiculous to have a package sit a couple miles from your house for 5 days. It was sent FedEx smart post, which goes from shipper, to FedEx, then to my post office. Doesn't sound too smart to me.
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This really is a fantastic case! Only complaint I would throw out there is coming from the diztronic tpu case this thing is slippery as hell compared to the phone or the diztronic but I love the looks and seems like this case would for sure withstand a good fall.
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twister99403 said:
This really is a fantastic case! Only complaint I would throw out there is coming from the diztronic tpu case this thing is slippery as hell compared to the phone or the diztronic but I love the looks and seems like this case would for sure withstand a good fall.
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Sounds good. I should hopefully have it tomorrow as I seen my post office FINALLY has it. Keep my fingers crossed, especially since I'm disappointed in another case I got today.
Is there a certain way you put the phone in the case? I know you keep the two parts together but how do you start the phone in the case and get it the rest of the way in?
Volume buttons first. Doesn't really matter.
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I can say I'm very pleased with the Slim Armor. Install was simple. Very good looking case, got the black one. Very clean looking. I will say that the power button is a tad harder to push, but nothing to give a negative review about, definitely no where near as hard to push as the Zerolemon battery case for my Galaxy Nexus. All in all, very much worth the money and the wait I had to get it.
It's too big. Sent back
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t1.8matt said:
I can say I'm very pleased with the Slim Armor. Install was simple. Very good looking case, got the black one. Very clean looking. I will say that the power button is a tad harder to push, but nothing to give a negative review about, definitely no where near as hard to push as the Zerolemon battery case for my Galaxy Nexus. All in all, very much worth the money and the wait I had to get it.
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I cut both buttons from the rest of the case on one side, so now they press a lot easier.
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I cut both buttons from the rest of the case on one side, so now they press a lot easier.
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What do you mean you cut them? You cut the rubber button covers completely off so the buttons are exposed?

Ghostek Nautical S8+

Anyone tried it yet? Going to do some water activities this weekend so snagged one on Amazon. Haven't had good luck with LifeProofs in the past. Have had Ghosteks Atomic before but for iPhone their charger cutout was horrendous. I guess for $35 if I get a weekends use out of it I'll be happy.
Anyone tried one of these ?
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I can't speak on this particular case but I've found every Ghostek case I've tried to be of particularly low quality. Poorly finished edges, bad cutouts and subpar materials. I'd like for them to prove me wrong but their not getting any more of my money.
vermiciouskanid666 said:
I can't speak on this particular case but I've found every Ghostek case I've tried to be of particularly low quality. Poorly finished edges, bad cutouts and subpar materials. I'd like for them to prove me wrong but their not getting any more of my money.
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Here's to hoping that isn't my experience [emoji848][emoji22]
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blaine07 said:
Here's to hoping that isn't my experience [emoji848][emoji22]
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Post here what you think of it when you get it. I was also interested in the Ghostek.
Mr. Orange 645 said:
Post here what you think of it when you get it. I was also interested in the Ghostek.
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I will say their customer service is good. When I had one for 6+ it wouldn't snap all the way together and they sent me one quickly with minimal interrogation. It should be here tomorrow so soon we'll see [emoji848]
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Good news, it fits nice with SlickWraps back wrap and Zagg Crystal Defense Screen Protector. Kind of tight but visually looks and appears to retain Water proofness. Can hear keyboard clicks and stuff well. Built in screen protector doesn't click or anything.
Best thing, NON Samsung Charger cables fit unlike on a lot of the waterproof cases @felloffthetruck.
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blaine07 said:
Good news, it fits nice with SlickWraps back wrap and Zagg Crystal Defense Screen Protector. Kind of tight but visually looks and appears to retain Water proofness. Can hear keyboard clicks and stuff well. Built in screen protector doesn't click or anything.
Best thing, NON Samsung Charger cables fit unlike on a lot of the waterproof cases @felloffthetruck.
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Just get a joto from Amazon only cost $8 and it works flawless on any phone. Have taken mine swimming and floating many times.

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