Hey guys,
Just wondering, why do ALL 4.1 and 4.0 Evervolv-based ROMs have massive problems in 3D performance? Scrolling is often not an issue, but window animations and transition animations are horribly laggy. It's reminiscent of the Froyo/GB Sense window animations (the ones that zoom in/out but don't quite finish), except much worse.
Can someone tell me why this is happening? VJ's AOKP 4.2 also suffers, while his CM10.1 4.2 does not. Cyanogenmod007 (4.1.2) suffers but Cyanomod007 (4.2) does not.
What you've got to realise that on HTC Desire, the board carries an Adreno 200 GPU with a stupid 1GHz single core Scorpion CPU, that isn't even close to the Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4 or any other devices released with ICS and JB. We are using a 3 year old phone, that was nearing its end, but thanks to VJ, Nikez, CM10 and Evervolv team that we are able to enjoy the ICS and JB flavors on Desire. Those guys are already working hard to make the best possible use of resources on our Desire. Those ROMs are not, I repeat: ARE NOT, for daily use. Its just when you want to have a change of flavor on your weekend. The best and stablest are CM7.2 builds. All the ICS and JB are awesome, but they won't satisfy you. I often suffer from the change of flavors in a week and that's what those guys are devloping for. If you have a good phone, with HTC Desire as a backup one, then you can use those flavors.
Launcher can be an issue. Try Nova or Apex. Did speed up for me considerably.
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Until the two come together, which one would you pick for now and why?
I would say viper because it's highly customizable. I have used cm10. It's preety damn fast but you can always install a custom kernel ( faux or nix) to make it buttery smooth.
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I used cm10 for a few weeks to test it out, but then realised how much I missed sense's superior camera and sound (with mods of course). Also, sense is what makes the phone unique. Hard choice.
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Have to agree with above posts, the Jellybean roms run super smooth and quick, and look nice etc, but the camera is basic.
So if you don't use your camera i would say go with a JB rom, but if you like the features of the Sense camera then stick with Viper for now.
Any sense based rom I quite rely on sense for its camera, better email client, Facebook integration, widgets, and such.
I've tried the jelly bean roms and miui but always come break to sense.
It depends on your usage and such try them both out and find which you prefer to use.
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Tried 4.1 for few days, but had to come back to sense. This makes HTC phones unique and there are so many features that lack in CM roms. Also, Viper is so highly custoimzable and smooth you will not regret not having 4.1 at all.
I was in rd miui jelly bean for two days and was great, using stock kernel but I think it needs a custom kernel for better battery.
Viperx is amazing. But Now I m on ordroidx, I dont know tomorrow. Love flashing and modding.
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I used Ice Cold Jelly and stick to it since then ^^
I love the stock android feeling since ICS and Jellybean just makes it even better.
I asked myself the same question many times, the pro's for viper being the fact it could be modded to have the least possible sense (which I just find annoying, there is too much of everything...) the battery life and te camera.
But I stay on ICJ, it has great support from both the kernel dev (ncx) and LordClockan which is allways helping. You can't theme Sense suc perfectly back to stock as stock allready is, the AOKP toggles are just awesome for me and having a Nexus 7 I am not having two different panoramas.
Thanks to the ncx kernel it's fast and stable but also with minimal battery drain.
I would tell you to try both, and stick with the one you prefer.
Another point I keep in mind is that I will never again buy from HTC (the S-ON fact and sense of course) So stock is the best way to have the most chances to keep your references... (that's why I searched stock, coming from a Galaxy Nexus).
Good luck !
Said it before, Footballs maximus rom owns. It just works. I used to jump around Ice Cold and allsorts on DHD, always trying to find the perfect rom... i really have nothing to fix on this. Stock kernel too. it just works. Admittedly, some games are VERY slightly juddery, but I have a Nexus 7 too, so I game much less on the One X now. I tried Viper..... Really wasnt for me. Its like the non-bloat version of bloat.....
yes,the same by me,i like to test rom but mydaily rom is the great viper;its fast shure,Viper is so highly custoimzable and smooth you will not regret not having 4.1 at all.maby one day it comes the version from htc with sense4.? and JellyBean,i love sense sinse i have had this touch diamond2,over the touch hd and the wonderful desire.
Its like religion or ähh politic ore somethink i dont know
Jellybean or Renovate or ARHD....simple as that mate...and if you like to customize then go with MIUI
@ edge3uk
Its like the non-bloat version of bloat.....
thats silly,blödsinn,quatsch,man you boring or what?
For me ..Domination ROM is the best..but battery not good as Sense ROMs and other ROMs
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I used CM10 for few weeks but like few before me have mentioned, battery life is not that great and camera is really awful, so now I'm back on Viper X. JB is nice, smoother and quicker, but for me personally that marginal performance difference is not worth sacrificing battery, camera or stability (and then there are few other nifty little features of sense that I like , such as beats audio profiles, FM radio, weather and clock animations etc).
I am probably going to root my friends DHD soon and wondering if I should stick with CM7.2 as I presume its pretty rock solid and reasonably fast or go with an ICS or JB rom that obviously has newer features but could be less stable. I know everyone's perfect roms aren't the same but are there any ICS/JB roms out there for the DHD that are stable, quick, having (almost) everything worling and preferably stock AOSP rather than sense?
I'm from the desire so don't know much about the DHD scene, any recommendations would be appreciated
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I should try Sabsa Prime V9 (can't judge V10 yet) because it's so smooth as you possibly won't see ever again in a Sense ROM.
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aospX. It's in the Inspire 4G forums, but I4G ROMs are compatible with DHDs. Almost pure AOSP.
EDIT: Another advantage is that aospX is still actively supported by the developer existz; the other AOSP-like ROM (though AOKP) is IceColdSandwich in the DHD forums, but the developer LordclockaN has officially moved on (thought he still stops by every now and then). aospX updates less often, but each one is rock solid.
I would personally recommend AOKP over AOSPx- it's been updated a little more recently, and a lot more tweaks. Stable too. However, the camera is no where up to par with the HTC Sense ones- with a sense ROM I can take digital camera quality images, whereas with the stock AOSP camera I can at best take semi okay images. Maybe not an issue, but for me it was.
ViperDHD is the best 4.x and HTC Sense ROM for our phone in terms of tweaks, but I think it's slow as a hog, although others may have different experiences.
I wouldn't go with JB if your friend needs someone else to root their phone . While it's mostly stable, battery life isn't always up to par. The only ROM I've gotten daily user battery life from is MIUI by bliind (haven't tried the knew one though)
However, my final recommendation would be Blackout ICS. It's extremely stable, is fairly fast, and has a good amount of tweaks. Sense 3.6 android 4.0.4. If you want to go with GB, go with blackice and change the dpi back to stock (240).
Better yet, check out my sig
Ok thank you for the recommendations guys ill have a look.
Cheers!
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i am no fan of non-sense ROMs , so here are some sense suggestoins
GB = go for ARHD 6 , totally stable
ICS = go for BlackoutICS , it rocks !
JB = go for SABSA !!
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i am no fan of non-sense ROMs , so here are some sense suggestoins
GB = go for ARHD 6 , totally stable
ICS = go for BlackoutICS , it rocks !
JB = go for SABSA !!
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Sabsa isn't jelly bean bro
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I know, typical question, but I haven't been keeping up with roms much for the past year or so. I have an old rooted HTC Desire and I thought I might as well give it some life. My primary concern is speed as the title suggests, I'm looking for the rom that gives the smoothest and snappiest experience possible, that is, the least amount of lag and highest frame rate that one can possibly squeeze out of the device, don't care what version of android it is and what features does it have, as long as it's crazy fast and stable enough to be a daily driver. What I should I be looking into? Cyanogen? Oxygen? some jelly bean rom?
Flashing a rom, partitioning the sd card, customizing it and install all the esential apps takes time, so I would rather do this once instead of trying a few roms and see what sticks, hence the question. Thanks in advance
I would say CM10 is the fastest out there for your Desire. I may not have an actual Desire but the phone I have, the HTC One V is almost identical specs wise to your desire and CM10 blows any ROM I've seen out of the water. Their Trebuchet launcher works hand in hand with project butter and even with my phone's ageing Adreno 205, it is much smoother than my friend's Galaxy S3 running Jellybean Touch wiz.
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Mahnn said:
I know, typical question, but I haven't been keeping up with roms much for the past year or so. I have an old rooted HTC Desire and I thought I might as well give it some life. My primary concern is speed as the title suggests, I'm looking for the rom that gives the smoothest and snappiest experience possible, that is, the least amount of lag and highest frame rate that one can possibly squeeze out of the device, don't care what version of android it is and what features does it have, as long as it's crazy fast and stable enough to be a daily driver. What I should I be looking into? Cyanogen? Oxygen? some jelly bean rom?
Flashing a rom, partitioning the sd card, customizing it and install all the esential apps takes time, so I would rather do this once instead of trying a few roms and see what sticks, hence the question. Thanks in advance
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Mildwild 8 is pretty good based on cyanogenmod it's fast stable runs smooth everything works, I've been using this for a while never had any problems, I've tried alot of other roms jb ics but I always come back to this as a daily driver :thumbup:
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I would say CM10 is the fastest out there for your Desire. I may not have an actual Desire but the phone I have, the HTC One V is almost identical specs wise to your desire and CM10 blows any ROM I've seen out of the water. Their Trebuchet launcher works hand in hand with project butter and even with my phone's ageing Adreno 205, it is much smoother than my friend's Galaxy S3 running Jellybean Touch wiz.
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Well, HTC one v isn't the desire. Cm10 kind of sucks on the desire in terms of speed.
Any GB based ROM should be running smooth and snappy. My personal favorite is Cool Droid V3.
I am using Nikez JB 4.2.2. in my signature. Does the job fine for me!
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Hi,
I used Mildwild 5.0 during more than 1 year, and all was smooth, fast, and stable.
Only problem i had was sometimes loosing data when battery low. (ok after reboot but a bit annoying).
Now testing 4.0.4 from Marius.a, quite satisfying even if it's only in English or Chinese (quite smooth), main functions work (a few bugs sometimes but nothing really bad).
The thing is it's the only 4.x with camera recording working fine, and i need this so...
Regards
Ok, generally speaking, AospX is WAY faster than any JB 4.1-4.2.2 AOSP/AOKP ROM I have ever tried.
Any reasonal explanation for this?
Because with every successive iteration of Android, it gets farther away from the software for which the hardware was optimized.
That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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That's obvious, but JB is still supposed to be faster (or at least on pair) with it's project butter and gpu optimizations present..
btw Nexus S is officially running on 4.2 so it's not like jellybean wasn't intended to run on such HW.
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My guess is, JB utilizes hardware resources more efficiently. If the hardware capability just isn't there, there is nothing to optimize. Also, with every iteration, reverse-engineering closed-source drivers and making them compatible gets tougher as Android moves farther away from stock.
And comparing a Nexus, which is designed to be upgraded with AOSP for its lifetime, to an HTC, which is designed to be upgraded with Sense once (maybe twice), isn't really fair.
Ultimately, who cares. The faster the better. I've just tried Nikills after using Sabsa Prime - all I can say is wow. It's like using a new phone with modern h/w.
As above, JB isn't exactly designed to run on our hardware. Heck ICS wasn't either.. Its all about the complexity of the OS. You won't run Windows 8 smoothly on a PC that can, just about, handle Windows 7)
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I have only run one custom ROM so far. I went from stock 2.3.5 sense 3 which I used for a week or so..... I was impressed enough with the stock performance that the first day I decided this would be my first android phone to leave stock for any amount of time. Battery issues caused me to root and install cm10.1 m3. Turns out the battery is shot anyways nothing to do with either ROM. Cm10.1 runs on average just as fast as stock GB did and it has been just as stable.
So in this case I think stock GB ROM has enough stuff that no performance drop is felt going to cm10.
If I went cm7 I'm sure it would be a lot faster but it's fast enough as it is so I won't give up this ROM for a bit more speed.
Scrolling seems to be 100% smooth 99% of the time, the only lag is like a couple seconds to open an app especially when I have several running.
My nexus one which I loved was not even close to this perfect on any jb ROMs I tried on it. I went back to cm7. The desire HD is way faster.
I haven't tried any other ROMs on this phone and in trying to get rid of my flashing obsession. I probably won't try any more for a while. I hope.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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mustavalkosta's cm 10.1 nightlie builds are MUCH faster on my dhd than the stock GB rom.
Android jb faster. Fact is that it need some time for the developers to make it stable port to jb. They have make kernel according to it port each and every file according to desire hd. And no one can deny that still after more than a year no ics is complete stable as stock gb Rom.
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Just my 16 year of expert opinion, generally ICS is faster in terms of performance, but JB is much smoother.. going from CodeFireX to Nik's Rebirth ROm, its still pretty smooth, but not as slick as project butter. Still, a great ROM..
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Your statement is right, from my experience JB is smoother, but ICS is faster (faster opening apps).
But comparison to Nik's ROM is simply not fair as it's a Sense4 ROM which is obviously slower / more stuttering than any other ICS AOSP.
That makes sense to me. I think iv can deal with the extra tiny bit of time opening apps cause I like how smooth the scrolling is.
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Alright, as we all saw in the last couple of days we got a new CM10 jb rom with minor fixable bugs. It's a step forward for our willy , but there's been a question bothering me and i hope most of you aswell: what are the actual highs and lows between a CM10 rom and especialy a CM7 JB styled rom (jellybread in our case) and also between CM10 and CM9 roms.
The actual question is: is it worth keeping CM10 as a daily rom with most of it's lags/delays knowing that there is something else to it than the simple "yo samsung user, i got CM10 on my willy too" ? Or we can use the CM7 jb styled or CM9 wich looks as good as the CM10 does but without the lagfest, the minor bugs (wich are not such a pain in the behind because the way i see it they should be fixed in about 1 week or so tops), and the excruciating pain I experienced when i was going through my settings, not changing anything, and it took my willy a good 6-8 seconds to show me the caller id after the ringtone started when my buddy called me.
Debate please and feel free to criticize my knowledge because i preety much started to dig deeper into android and willy since 1-2 weeks ago.
A really good question!
See there isnt much difference in terms of look between CM10 and jelly bean styled cm7 Roms.
There are a few good things about actual jelly bean like expanded/expandable notifications,better support for proxy connections etc.(We can get those kind of notifications in CMX as well )
Since,we dont have a gpu on our device,special features of ICS/JB like full hardware acceleration,butter project are pretty much useless for us.
Android has evolved to a great extent and has become much richer from times.Compare the looks of stock cm7 and now cm10,there's a huge difference.But its a good idea to have those rich looks with old speed and stability,without sacrificing a lot.
So if you ask me,I'll say cm7 roms will always win in the context of wildfire.You aren't sacrificing much being on gingerbread.
Yeah that's very true
CM9/CM10 are stable but somehow can't be bug free
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I try many cm9 roms, all is good but our Willy lacks of Gpu support, and also some bugs can't be fixed. CM7 is the best for stability and performance, and also with all mods you can have any style you want (CM9-10 style, MUIU, etc).
My vote goes to CM7 based JB style roms!
(and sory for my bad English).
Yes that is true. Cm7 jb are best bet for our Willy. Can anybody remember that HTC never released any update for our wildfire based on 2.3 version. But it is due to cm based rom and the efforts of all the developers that we are still holding our Willy with us in the modernized android world where i think processing powers are touching new heights. As @Wasimk32 said we don't have a gpu so hardware acceleration lag is pretty much going to haunt us. So i personally thank all the people who work for wildfire to breathe life into it.
And to @klyon too for keeping 2.2 rempuzzle alive which still make me feel what had HTC forget to make froyo on wildfire a complete rom. But i am thankful to them all this lead to revolution for our wildfire.
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