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[Q] Do i need S-OFF for future custom ROMS?

Ok, i know this is a question in the dev section but i think it belongs here, if mods think different then please move.
As the title says really - if i choose not to try the S-OFF - will i be left behind later on down the line with regard to custom ROM's??
If i bricked my phone the wife would go bonkers, so i am really wary at the moment with trying it as there is a higher chance of bricking it. Anyhow thats a seperate issue..
So maybe some devs can answer my question??.. Am i at some point gonna have to take the plunge or is it more of a nice thing to have, more than a necessity?
Or is there likely to be a later version that has a lesser chance of bricking if does go wrong??
Cheers all for any replies..

I think that if a custom ROM requires S-OFF it will have a good reason, or the dev is being lazy.
Also HTC is very likely to plug the exploit that gives S-OFF at some point, if it's possible to do so.

Moved to Q&A as not development

You dont need a security unlocked device, there will be no diffrence apart from the fact you wont have any write access to the nand chip while the device is booted
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Kool.. So more of a nice thing to have rather than a must!. Appreciate replies.. I will hold off doing it.
Cheers

wingnutta said:
Kool.. So more of a nice thing to have rather than a must!. Appreciate replies.. I will hold off doing it.
Cheers
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It really is a simple procedure though, its as easy as booting a live cd, connectiong your device and pressing enter

AndroHero said:
It really is a simple procedure though, its as easy as booting a live cd, connectiong your device and pressing enter
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I do agree from what i have read, but for me personally the risk at this time is too much.. If anything did go wrong i would be kicking myself.
Maybe at a later date as i said if a more less risky version comes out.

wingnutta said:
I do agree from what i have read, but for me personally the risk at this time is too much.. If anything did go wrong i would be kicking myself.
Maybe at a later date as i said if a more less risky version comes out.
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No such thing. It's not the application that's risky, it's the procedure in general. You're in essence flashing the lowest level of your phone, if it fails the phone will be useless but the chance of it failing is almost negligible.

one thing i am willing to ask. does that mean that turning security to off, you do not need to pay for unlock codes? you can just turn s-off and flash a rom and it will unlock the phone?
sorry for the dumb question!

S-OFF won't sim unlock the phone.
A lot of people are flashing this without knowing what it does, which is just plain stupid. The risk is minimal, but there is a risk that it will totally brick the phone permanently. Nobody should flash it unless they want to use S-OFF for something. It'll also absolutely guaranteed to void the warranty, there's no way HTC will touch a phone if you return it with the S-OFF bootloader (though it is easy to remove).
At the moment it's most useful for devs, in order to test changes without the need for reboot/recovery/reboot.

teppic74 said:
S-OFF won't sim unlock the phone.
A lot of people are flashing this without knowing what it does, which is just plain stupid. The risk is minimal, but there is a risk that it will totally brick the phone permanently. Nobody should flash it unless they want to use S-OFF for something. It'll also absolutely guaranteed to void the warranty, there's no way HTC will touch a phone if you return it with the S-OFF bootloader (though it is easy to remove).
At the moment it's most useful for devs, in order to test changes without the need for reboot/recovery/reboot.
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no need for normal usage of the phone ... you can also do all without s-off ... with s-off you dont have to reboot everytime ...

teppic74 said:
S-OFF won't sim unlock the phone.
A lot of people are flashing this without knowing what it does, which is just plain stupid. The risk is minimal, but there is a risk that it will totally brick the phone permanently....
At the moment it's most useful for devs, in order to test changes without the need for reboot/recovery/reboot.
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That statement will do me nicely! Me not a dev...

[Q] Advantages of Root?

I know this is a noob question, but what are the main advantages of rooting my phone? and what kinds of things can i do with a rooted phone?
I just upgraded to Gingerbread using the RUU , and i was thinking about using Gingerbreak

You see the development thread?
With root (+ENG & Radio S-OFF) you can do ALL (ROMs, Radio's, Kernels, RILs, Updates, Improve everything) that.
Without Root you can't do any of it.

sromer said:
I know this is a noob question, but what are the main advantages of rooting my phone? and what kinds of things can i do with a rooted phone?
I just upgraded to Gingerbread using the RUU , and i was thinking about using Gingerbreak
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WITH superuser permissions you can do a lot of things:
1-use apk´s that you can´t use without root access
2-flash roms
3-do s & eng - off for flash new basebands
4-flash new kernels and do overclock or underclock (for example,set up the speed of the processor)
5-change your screensplash, your boot animation, power off animation...
resumed: you have access to IMPROVE your device
you can do more things that i do not write...sure

Basically Root allows you to access all the underlying files, as administrator, on your phone, so what you can achieve is limited only by your skill not the software. IMHO the biggest reason for root is the ability to carry out a proper backup, after that the choice is yours.

Mr_JMM said:
You see the development thread?
With root (+ENG & Radio S-OFF) you can do ALL (ROMs, Radio's, Kernels, RILs, Updates, Improve everything) that.
Without Root you can't do any of it.
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do´h!!! sorry mate i duplicated the response LOL when i started to write the post your post still it was not written

Thanks, i needed to make sure it was what i thought it was.
After i run Gingerbreak i get the message
"not sure what happened here. Either the exploit failed or the reboot failed. Please reboot manually and see if you have SuperUser!"
Any suggestions?

sromer said:
Thanks, i needed to make sure it was what i thought it was.
After i run Gingerbreak i get the message
"not sure what happened here. Either the exploit failed or the reboot failed. Please reboot manually and see if you have SuperUser!"
Any suggestions?
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Are you following this guide in conjunction with this gingerbreak guide?

Mr_JMM said:
Are you following THIS guide in conjunction with THIS GINGERBREAK guide?
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I ran it again before i saw you post that, and it just worked straight from 2.3.
But now i've got 5 superuser icons, any suggestions how to fix that?
And thats for all the help everyone

sromer said:
I know this is a noob question, but what are the main advantages of rooting my phone? and what kinds of things can i do with a rooted phone?
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Is there an official sticky for this question on XDA? Seems like many new users ask this.
Sent from my unrooted DroidX using XDA App

sromer said:
I ran it again before i saw you post that, and it just worked straight from 2.3.
But now i've got 5 superuser icons, any suggestions how to fix that?
And thats for all the help everyone
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Maybe a daft answer but it's true: It's a bit of a dirty hack and will often leave all manner of strangeness floating about. Once you get around to wiping everything and putting the ROM you want on (a reboot will probably solve it) then all will be well.
Whilst you're going through the process expect more of this.
Best guess for your particular example is just the retries without rebooting.

Nate2 said:
Is there an official sticky for this question on XDA? Seems like many new users ask this.
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Have to say I disagree about putting a sticky for that.
1. The site tries to limit the number of stickies.
2. Where would it go?
3. Who would look?
4. Who would find it?
5. The question has been asked and answered SOOOOO many times already that it would be easier to find one of those (search results are date ordered) than to find the sticky (trust me, I just tried).
(I've not asked the questions for answers by the way, I know the answers. Just there as a point.)

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Have to say I disagree about putting a sticky for that.
1. The site tries to limit the number of stickies.
2. Where would it go?
3. Who would look?
4. Who would find it?
5. The question has been asked and answered SOOOOO many times already that it would be easier to find one of those (search results are date ordered) than to find the sticky (trust me, I just tried).
(I've not asked the questions for answers by the way, I know the answers. Just there as a point.)
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If I knew the url to the sticky, I'd post that as a reply early in the thread. The sticky could contain a moderated list of advantages/disadvantages to rooting a device.
Sent from my unrooted DroidX using XDA App

Guess its again a n00b question, does rooting will brick the phone or void warranty...

Yes, you will void the warranty by rooting your phone and being bricked is something if you does not follow the procedures correctly.

[Q] Help needed! rooting

Hello everyone
I am looking for some guidance as I have a stock DHD 2.3 (freshly updated) If there's someone who can tell me the steps and eventually the links because I don't know the order of the rooting process nor where to find the tools I shall hit the thanks button madly and hope I won't end with a big digital brick..
also any recommended ROMS?
thanks in advance

Well, you need to downgrade first DOWNGRADE LINK.
Then after radio S-OFF (you dont have to, but it'll be much better) you can install ROM Manager and flash CWM recovery.
The CWM recovery will allow you to flash new Custom ROMs to your device.
You can then go back up to 2.3, or do whatever you want really.
I can't suggest any ROM to you, because everyone has their own taste in ROMs. I flashed a Stock-ROOTED 2.3 ROM and modified it to my liking using many different MODs out there.
But the android development section contains many different ROMs.
EDIT: CWM recovery will add many advantages to your phone. One big advantage is backing up your phones current ROM (aka Nandroid).
If anything goes wrong while trying to flash other ROMs or MODs, you can just simply restore your backup (and if you know where the problem is, you can restore only part of the backup). This feature is what made me install (or flash) CWM recovery.
And plus, it makes flashing ROMs and other stuff so easyyyyyy!!!

This forum isn't here to hold peoples hands to get them through rooting processes etc. All information is gathered in quite simple guides that are available for everyone to read so we won't have to explain over and over again to the thousands of new users how to do everything. Your question have been asked countless times and you would have found multiple threads with everything explained thouroughly if you used the search function (read the rules). But instead you created a new thread and made it harder for the next person to find information because this forum is filling up with a lot of similar threads that could have been avoided if people spent some time searching the forum. I don't mean to be offensive, but you have to be able to do something on your own if you want to enter the world of custom roms etc. New users should do some researching so that they know what they're getting in to and not just jump in head first and hope that somebody does everything for them
Anyway, here's something to get you started:
EDIT: Better guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964996
Edit: youtube video by xda-developers.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

Hawks556 said:
Edit: youtube video by xda-developers.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
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HAHAHA, yea i just watched that, its so true though!!!

Hey! thanks again, both of you.. I just needed the order, I'll search over the forum for anything else. Hawks556, you are right but you are rude though.. you don't have to be so severe, it is a forum an I felt free to ask.. of course I'm not the first to have this question, I'm not one of a kind..
again thank you for your help and indeed, the youtube video is soo true! )

tibrocks said:
Hey! thanks again, both of you.. I just needed the order, I'll search over the forum for anything else. Hawks556, you are right but you are rude though.. you don't have to be so severe, it is a forum an I felt free to ask.. of course I'm not the first to have this question, I'm not one of a kind..
again thank you for your help and indeed, the youtube video is soo true! )
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I'm sorry if I sounded harsh, I didn't mean to. Just tried to make my point clear. (The fact that 3 or 4 similar threads was started just today might also have something to do with it ). I wish you all the luck with your project

It's ok and you are right, there's no arguing
now I have a question: regarding the goldcard, I don't understand if I have to get a different card from my actual 8gb I'm using, make it a gold card and then switch back to my non-gold former card, or I have to use my phone all the time with this new goldcard??
thanks

tibrocks said:
It's ok and you are right, there's no arguing
now I have a question: regarding the goldcard, I don't understand if I have to get a different card from my actual 8gb I'm using, make it a gold card and then switch back to my non-gold former card, or I have to use my phone all the time with this new goldcard??
thanks
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try here
http://theunlockr.com/2010/03/10/how-to-create-a-goldcard/
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/how-to-make-gold-card-for-htc-desire-hd/
I use a different card generally it is only used to bypass security... so does not need to be used all the time .... if you use your normal card backup it up as you may trash

I tried to get Visionary+ but it has Trojan virus... anywhere else safer?!
and I don't get it, after permaroot is S-OFF (radio s-off) and after that what?! after my phone is S-OFF I install RomManager or is there sth in between?

Heres a genuine link .. LINK
well, after S-OFF, you install ROM Manager, then choose the first option from ROM Manager ('flash clockworkMod Recovery').
--ROM Manager and CWM recovery is not a MUST, but is needed to flash ROM and MODs to your device.
let me make it clear...
radio S-OFF is to allow you to flash new radios(if you dont know what a radio is, search ).
ENG S-OFF allows you to do more extreme things and can get you out of a 'nearly bricked' device (so i've heard). It makes your phone VERY flexible and allows you to modify nearly everything!
^--this is to my knowledge--^
anyway, this isnt needed to be rooted, it just increases the amount of thing you can do with your phone.
CWM recovery flashes over your stock HTC Recovery. Its also not a must, but also allows MUCH more flexibility.

tibrocks said:
I tried to get Visionary+ but it has Trojan virus... anywhere else safer?!
and I don't get it, after permaroot is S-OFF (radio s-off) and after that what?! after my phone is S-OFF I install RomManager or is there sth in between?
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Ignore that virus warning, it'd be your AV identifying it as a rootkit, which oddly enough it is. If you can add it to your whitelist or disable your AV whilst downloading/moving it from your PC to your phone.

thanks for clearing the things for me.. as for the link, there's the virus.. This is what my Nod32 says.. I've searched on other sites to download but still the same..

andyharney said:
Ignore that virus warning, it'd be your AV identifying it as a rootkit, which oddly enough it is. If you can add it to your whitelist or disable your AV whilst downloading/moving it from your PC to your phone.
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Ok, I'll try this way but I'm afraid it'll harm my PC.. ) anyone who risked?

tibrocks said:
Ok, I'll try this way but I'm afraid it'll harm my PC.. ) anyone who risked?
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yes ..the are more than few Thousands of us ..(more than 10 000 only on Android Revolution HD)
just follow the indications in the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003
and everything will be just fine
and if something doesnt works the way is supposed to be...believe me ..YOU DID SOMETHING WRONG...these steps are verified
MAY THE DROID BE WITH YOU

What have I done wrong? attempting to downgrade, this is what I got (every time)

it worked after reboot

tibrocks said:
it worked after reboot
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Now that you have root and s-off....finaly you are really abbe to Brick your phone ....i'm just jocking enjoy your DHD..... and from all the ROMS i recommend Android Revolution HD
si daca ai nelamuriri vis a vis de ceva ...trimite-mi un PM

Weird?

Well, ahmm, I'm kinda... wondering, what are the reasons why phones get bricked. Can you tell me tips and tricks on how not to get your play bricked. Thanks.
~noob

Don't unlock the bootloader and do an ota(over the air) update that's a sure fire way to get bricked
Sent from my R800i using XDA App

Learn a bit about what you're attempting to do and why it works or doesn't work (ie. adb commands, fastboot commands, build.prop settings), that'll greatly help prevent bricking your device. Knowing is the first step to prevention. Oh, and ALWAYS backup your nand before doing anything you're not sure about (ClockworkMod Recovery is your friend here).

Okay, but i'm going to unlock the bootloader, un-root my xperia play... following the tutorials i can find in these forum. Is it okay? By the way... weird question, what does un-rooting, unlocking the boot loader's benefits?

.mitsuki said:
Okay, but i'm going to unlock the bootloader, un-root my xperia play... following the tutorials i can find in these forum. Is it okay? By the way... weird question, what does un-rooting, unlocking the boot loader's benefits?
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Why would you want to unlock the bootloader and unroot? that makes no sence, most people unlock there bootloader so they can root

.mitsuki said:
Okay, but i'm going to unlock the bootloader, un-root my xperia play... following the tutorials i can find in these forum. Is it okay? By the way... weird question, what does un-rooting, unlocking the boot loader's benefits?
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If you don't even know why you're rooting and unlocking.... why try to?

Cuz, I can try unavailable features, extra application, in all, i wanted to unlock the phones potential, in addition, custom ROMs can give me the latest version of AndRoiD. that's why.

I think he means he wants to root, and he thinks unroot = root

.mitsuki said:
Cuz, I can try unavailable features, extra application, in all, i wanted to unlock the phones potential, in addition, custom ROMs can give me the latest version of AndRoiD. that's why.
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Copy this post and insert name, It will save you the trouble of writing it out later
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1320139

I can't understand what you're saying AndroHero and ff7fan4eva, will you explain it??

.mitsuki said:
I can't understand what you're saying AndroHero and ff7fan4eva, will you explain it??
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They're saying, in a slightly sarcastic/joking way, that you should read up on these matters:
What is a bootlader. What is root. What is ADB and Fastboot. Then read up on 'how to' and what to do and not to do on these subjects.
You'll most likely end up with a brick if you don't spend some what time on reading a bit before you get into unlocking/rooting etc and/or posting alot in here about issues you've encountered. Not saying that won't happen even if you read about it, but then you atleast know what you tried to do and how and that'll make it easy to help you.
Regards Dousan...

Dousan said:
They're saying, in a slightly sarcastic/joking way, that you should read up on these matters:
What is a bootlader. What is root. What is ADB and Fastboot. Then read up on 'how to' and what to do and not to do on these subjects.
You'll most likely end up with a brick if you don't spend some what time on reading a bit before you get into unlocking/rooting etc and/or posting alot in here about issues you've encountered. Not saying that won't happen even if you read about it, but then you atleast know what you tried to do and how and that'll make it easy to help you.
Regards Dousan...
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Sorry dousan i have a bad cold so i'm in one of thoes moods
Sent from my R800i using Tapatalk

AndroHero said:
Sorry dousan i have a bad cold so i'm in one of thoes moods
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There must be a bug around manchester, im ill too
That isn't the reason i give vague answers though

Can you use the wireless tether when you root

I've been reading since 2 days ago. I'll follow all the instructions given from the guide.

Help about rooting and keeping OTA updates

Hey all,
At first you should know that I am a n00b when it comes to HTC devices because I am coming from Samsung Galaxy note 1 n7000 so please consider telling more details
I didn't receive the phone yet but I want to root it as soon as I power and I want to keep the OTA updates
I have seen the thread in the development section but I didn't understand anything :/
So please write a full tutorial so everyone can understand the awesome mods and tutorials you developers write
Here is the link to that thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2755657
Thanks

If you don't understand the guide already written, keep reading it until you do understand and then give it a go. No one is going to spoon feed you here I'm afraid...

Here you go, all done for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699065

ashyx said:
Here you go, all done for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699065
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Thanks
If I root in this method will I receive OTA updates ?

ashyx said:
Here you go, all done for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699065
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nasser.owainat said:
Thanks
If I root in this method will I receive OTA updates ?
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DON'T use toolkits. What if something goes wrong and the toolkit can't help? What do you do then? Read up on everything, e.g. adb/fastboot commands, and then it'll all make sense...

EddyOS said:
DON'T use toolkits. What if something goes wrong and the toolkit can't help? What do you do then? Read up on everything, e.g. adb/fastboot commands, and then it'll all make sense...
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Then you ask here.
Sometimes for beginners it can all be a little daunting and information overload, things can still go wrong doing things manually, many guides assume too much of the user. I think that gets forgotten here. Toolkits can ease the newbie in.