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I need help deciding if there is something wrong or this guy is full of S#!T. I'm pretty comfortable with the Evo. I used mostly CM6, CM7, W2P2, & Warm Z nightly while just fiddling with others. I Recently sold my EVO on ebay here. Running Warm Z nightly still, it was pretty obvious it was Rooted. This guy buys it and doesn't even know how to make it usb storage or how to find it on "My Computer" in XP. Completely CLUELESS about rooting phones (but for some reason he still bought it..).
He took it to Sprint (instead of just calling in the EIM) and they noticed it was NOT a factory Rom. They said they couldn't activate it. I walked him through flashing the factory ROM from here. After doing this he claimed they still couldn't activate it over the phone, BUT he never really answered me when I asked what reason they gave for not being able to. He made it sound like it was a technical problem. He said they told him to return it and have me put on the original software (what we already did... minus un-rooting it)
I'm calling B.S. but wanted to know if there was anyone who knew the inner workings of Sprint and could enlighten me. Is there an actual reason I would not only have to put on factory rom, but also un-root it?
What do you think?
1) He's full of Crap
2) Technical Problem
*The WiMax keys were still there when I sold it. I did change the proxy settings using the MSL key but I figured that stuff was all reset when flashing the factory rom. It has RA-recovery.
You say the guy's an idiot... If the Sprint store asked him questions about the phone and he acted like a dummy, there's a good chance that the CSR thought the phone might've been stolen and they blocked it out.
I had a similar problem with Verizon once. Basically, all three of us (me, buyer, CS) had to three-way on the phone and tell them everything was legit before they released the phone from their death grip.
not sure how old this is but it sheds some light:
Per Sprint's TOS:
"Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason, including, but not limited to: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement; (g) breaching the Agreement or failing to follow our Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated or unverifiable identification or credit information, or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications; (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with the Service; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests or our network."
for those that hang around xda, we all know that rooting only enhances the experience, but Sprint is going to hang their hat on "modifying" the device and protect their interests
As long as the rom you are running allows you to successfully update the profile you can activate the phone.
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i dont think sprint would care... if it was rooted and rom or not...
for activiation... why would they care???? sounds very fishy to me.
boytoreckonwith said:
I need help deciding if there is something wrong or this guy is full of S#!T. I'm pretty comfortable with the Evo. I used mostly CM6, CM7, W2P2, & Warm Z nightly while just fiddling with others. I Recently sold my EVO on ebay here. Running Warm Z nightly still, it was pretty obvious it was Rooted. This guy buys it and doesn't even know how to make it usb storage or how to find it on "My Computer" in XP. Completely CLUELESS about rooting phones (but for some reason he still bought it..).
He took it to Sprint (instead of just calling in the EIM) and they noticed it was NOT a factory Rom. They said they couldn't activate it. I walked him through flashing the factory ROM from here. After doing this he claimed they still couldn't activate it over the phone, BUT he never really answered me when I asked what reason they gave for not being able to. He made it sound like it was a technical problem. He said they told him to return it and have me put on the original software (what we already did... minus un-rooting it)
I'm calling B.S. but wanted to know if there was anyone who knew the inner workings of Sprint and could enlighten me. Is there an actual reason I would not only have to put on factory rom, but also un-root it?
What do you think?
1) He's full of Crap
2) Technical Problem
*The WiMax keys were still there when I sold it. I did change the proxy settings using the MSL key but I figured that stuff was all reset when flashing the factory rom. It has RA-recovery.
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I had this happen to me when I sold a rooted evo last year, he can simply activate it online. And that's what I told the person I sold my phone to, to do and they got it activated. Some ppl should research what root is before they buy a rooted phone...
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I can't remember the setting but you need the msl number and go into one of the ## settings menu and you need to change the number to the phone number you want to activate.he can do it online through sprint support for a walk through.
i think u should have sold him the phone running the original rom even if it was rooted
craigbailey1986 said:
I had this happen to me when I sold a rooted evo last year, he can simply activate it online. And that's what I told the person I sold my phone to, to do and they got it activated. Some ppl should research what root is before they buy a rooted phone...
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No crap! Just got off the phone with him. He is an Ax Man - as in he cuts down trees. He bought it because it looked like it would be cooler than the EVO's his partners have....
elegantai said:
I can't remember the setting but you need the msl number and go into one of the ## settings menu and you need to change the number to the phone number you want to activate.he can do it online through sprint support for a walk through.
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Sweet. I'll try that. Do you know which menu? On our phone conversation 10 minutes ago, he said he's willing to ship it back to me to get working and then back to him. He is so clueless he can't even tell me WHAT they tried only that they couldn't get it to work. He was on the phone with tech support for over 2 hours I guess.
kanyewest said:
i think u should have sold him the phone running the original rom even if it was rooted
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Well, I made it pretty clear that it was rooted and highly modified. I guess my mistake was assuming people don't buy something they know nothing about.
I'll keep you updated...
This is what you need to do to fix this, I have the same problem./
( I meant your friend, not you)
You need to install the stock RUU.
Run it, and have it initialize, IT WILL ACTIVATE.
Then... after that, you can do a wipe and install CM7.
THIS PHONE WILL NOT ACTIVATE ON CM7 (OR ANY CM) ALONE, WITHOUT PREACTIVATING ON THE STOCK SENSE.
ALSO...He said the Sprint Tech guy did NOT ban the EMI and in fact verified that it was clear. He said it just would not activate on the sprint system...so maybe a profile update problem? Stock roms should be fine updating right? He downloaded the OTA #7 here from XDA from a direct link I gave him. I walked him through flashing it over the phone so I'm 95% sure he put it on there (5% hethought he successfully put it on). I guess we'll see.
kthejoker20 said:
This is what you need to do to fix this, I have the same problem./
( I meant your friend, not you)
You need to install the stock RUU.
Run it, and have it initialize, IT WILL ACTIVATE.
Then... after that, you can do a wipe and install CM7.
THIS PHONE WILL NOT ACTIVATE ON CM7 (OR ANY CM) ALONE, WITHOUT PREACTIVATING ON THE STOCK SENSE.
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He already has OTA #7 on it...and sprint verified the EIM is clear. Profile update problem?
Interesting thread. For reasons in this thread, I've never been comfortable selling an unlocked device on ebay or similar... In fact, the last 2 phones sold on ebay some weeks back were reverted to completely stock condition. Once the sale is over/phone activated, I don't want to know or hear from the buyer ever again.
It would seem that reading and comprehension has become a lost skill these days. In the ad, you don't specify which rom, but do specify it's sense, so little reason why he couldn't just activate it online or over the phone. From what you describe, the buyer simply doesn't know any better or understands what rooting enables.
Maybe the lesson here is to sell it root/unlocked, but with a fully stock sprint rom installed. The image for whatever custom rom (sense or otherwise) you had previously tweaked to work best with the device is then included in the nandroid folder. This way, should you end up with an ignorant buyer, there is little excuse from sprint regarding activation. If the buyer decides to try your customized/tweaked rom, you can include instructions in the email how to do this. Maybe even include both images - stock sprint and custom roms.
Before going back to sprint, I would try walking him through the online activation process.
##786# has an option to completely wipe all the ota info from the device. Once the esn is associated with his account, he should be able to perform an ota activation using this method, or settings/about/update profile.
Does he have a Sprint account? If so, screw the CSR and activate the phone online via ESN.
i know there isnt a root for the evo with 2.3 yet but im just curious why not
If you think you can do it..by all means...it takes a lot of work to find a root. Ways that use to work get fixed by companies...basically it boils down to detective work which cannot have a time table and takes a incredible amount of patience and brainpower..along with luck. Basically it boils down to finding a exploit...a way to somehow get foot in door...then once that is done...exploring the exploit for options to elevate privileges to get temp or permanent root. How they do this takes time..and a lot of tinkering. And once the root method is out...companies fix it and the game starts all over again.
ok cus i was just wondering if htc blocked it for some reason
Companies do block it..but mostly for security reasons..the same exploits used for rooting also can be used for malware and some nasty other type of software...spyware and so on.
ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
as its been said, this stuff takes time, and luck, and sometimes not even that works,,
i believe they have made some progress, monitor the irc channel yourself during nights and you can see some chatter about it, but it looks like its not quite ready and/or stable as of yet, though i hear the hboot problem has already been beaten...
we shall see, just be patient and try to not make the mods work more by asking this questions in a separate thread, you could have very well asked this in one of the other ones talking about this
deanventure said:
ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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I wouldn't call it a part of Android since every non-Nexus/dev Android phones required the exploitation of the software for root to be possible.
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Actually I think its all non samsung phones. But of course I could be totally wrong.
deanventure said:
ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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Android itself is open, but any phone that the carriers and manufacturers have control over generally gets locked down. The Nexus phones are the notable exception, and are intended for use by developers and tinkerers. In particular, the bootloader is locked down to prevent you from tinkering. However, there's been a big push to get manufacturers to release their phones in way where the bootloader can easily be unlocked. Many have stated they will move in this direction, but it's a recent development. I'm also still not fully convinced the carriers won't try and succeed in blocking it, but getting the manufacturers to commit to it is a great start.
Until then, we have to rely on an exploit, which for almost all versions of almost all phones, they've been able to do. But it isn't necessarily easy. You still have FAR more customization and tinkering opportunities on Android even without an unlocked bootloader, but once you have that, yes, you can tinker with Android in ways you couldn't even imagine with Apple.
I don't see how this is legal. We're paying on average $300-$500 for phones, that are mini-computers. I can pay that for a laptop and get a mobile usb stick for it on the same carrier, and I have many options of Operation Systems to put on said laptop, even though it's an HP, or a Dell, or a Chinese Knockoff.
Same with Sony and XboX, such Bullcrap!
Ok so my new Nexus is coming tomorrow I sold my AT&T note to get it. This is my first time getting a unlocked phone. Anything I shouldn't do upon setting it up. Or things I should do. I've been reading a so far in here for the last few days. Just wanna make sure everything goes smooth
Put your SIM card in. Put the Battery in.
Root & unlock bootloader right away. That way you don't waste all that time setting up your phone just to have to redo it.
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Galaxy Nexus.
martonikaj said:
Put your SIM card in. Put the Battery in.
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Seriously, it's that simple.
Actually, if I may add a couple:
~Make sure it's free of defects - I don't want to worry you but it's something you want to address quickly for something not officially available in the U.S.
~Since you're on AT&T, set up your data usage limits.
Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure, illmprob root and such right away as mentioned. So I guess I have to call AT&T and tell them I'm using a "android" data plan correct? Being I used a spare iPhone 4 I had laying around while waiting for my nexus to Come in.
Vcolassi said:
Ok cool. Just wanted to make sure, illmprob root and such right away as mentioned. So I guess I have to call AT&T and tell them I'm using a "android" data plan correct? Being I used a spare iPhone 4 I had laying around while waiting for my nexus to Come in.
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If you're using an iPhone 4 the data plan should work fine (but some ppl are saying you can get a nice CS rep to put you on a "4G" data plan to get better speeds).
Also, you'll need a SIM adapter if you're gonna stick with the iPhone's Micro SIM.
I can prob just go in and ask them to give me a sim for my galaxy note. I got a sim before I believe with just giving them my number.
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Seriously, it's that simple.
Actually, if I may add a couple:
~Make sure it's free of defects - I don't want to worry you but it's something you want to address quickly for something not officially available in the U.S.
~Since you're on AT&T, set up your data usage limits.
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Yes, I would check for defects first to make sure you don't waste time doing anything else.
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Unlock, but don't root until you know what you want/need root for.
root is the same as the admin account on a windows machine. it does not introduce changes or risks just because it's there. there are a million reasons to do it, though. obvious reasons like safety and choice. it would be unthinkable for a laptop to be delivered without admin account, but here they shrunk the casing to an minimum, it's still a computer, but now it's oooohhhh, oooonlllyyyy if u knowwww whut ure doingggg. come on man, really. root on android is way more easy, transparent and intuitive to use than on a windows pc so what's the big deal.
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root is the same as the admin account on a windows machine. it does not introduce changes or risks just because it's there. there are a million reasons to do it, though. obvious reasons like safety and choice. it would be unthinkable for a laptop to be delivered without admin account, but here they shrunk the casing to an minimum, it's still a computer, but now it's oooohhhh, oooonlllyyyy if u knowwww whut ure doingggg. come on man, really. root on android is way more easy, transparent and intuitive to use than on a windows pc so what's the big deal.
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You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
If you ever dig around the *#*#4636#*#* menu don't change or press anything next to SMSC otherwise you'll screw up your SMS's
Zengster6474 said:
If you ever dig around the *#*#4636#*#* menu don't change or press anything next to SMSC otherwise you'll screw up your SMS's
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i did that lol
and i had to use my old old dumb phone (se s500i) to set up smsc again, it is one thing dumb phone is smarter than a smart phone
another way is to translate the smsc number in a website which is troublesome
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Valynor said:
You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
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As you probably already know there Roms like CM9 that protect against this. And more development teams are implementing the same safeguards.
Also rooting gives you the ability of adding apps like Cerberus and Avast to the system folder, making them very hard to remove.
Since he is a member of XDA, and asking about which pitfalls to avoid, you could assume he has ambitions to tinker and customize. So its not a question of if he should root, its a question of when.
But you know what they say when you assume..
Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Galaxy Nexus.
Do: Everything.
Don't: Not do everything.
Simple.
Sent from the future.
Valynor said:
You are, in fact, wrong.
Android becomes a lot more vulnerable if you have SU/root installed. Just as it enables you to have root access on the system, it enables potential malware to have the same level of access and there are exploits in the wild utilizing this.
Android OS is also designed in a way that you don't need root access for almost anything the average user would possibly want to do with the device.
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say what? what kind of root did you install on your phone man. root changes nothing, an app can do the same stuff it could before and not an iota more. if it wants to it has to explicitly apply for that right and you have to give your allowance. Android is designed to be open, you either use that possibility or you don't but you don't run around freaking people out that root on Linux is something evil or abnormal which is it not, it's a plain normal admin account and nothing more and Android profits from it in the same way every other os in the whole wide world profits.
ps. that stuff about the "average user" is pure bs. average users do not complain about root on win7 or osx, why would they complain on android where it's even easier to operate. customizations aside, you're living dangerous, one bad crash and your phone is ****ed, a bit of bad luck and it gets stolen and you'll not see it again. both becomes virtually impossible with root since you have real backups and real security suites.
Unlocking the boot loader and rooting an android phone definitely opens it up to exploits, if you don't know that I wouldn't Root
Saying that, only way to run a smooth Nexus is to run Codename Android 1.6.0 with standard launcher and franco kernel. I've tried them all and this is the ONLY way to get nexus running smooth with limited lag.
Let's return to the topic:
You probably should unlock your bootloader immediately BECAUSE bootloader unlock wipes the phone. If you encounter a situation later on that requires an unlocked bootloader, you would loose all your data during the unlock process. I'd advise you to do it immediately before you set up your phone.
Rooting is different. Once your bootloader is unlocked, you can root your phone at any time without loosing anything. If you don't require a root right now, don't bother with it. Should you require it later, rooting is very easy and doesn't affect your data/settings IF (VERY BIG IF) your bootloader is unlocked.
I don't understand the concern about having root. Any app that attempts to gain root access is blocked and a pop up from super user asks if you want to grant access to said app.
Anyway I root but stay stock, because root is about having admin rights to do things, not necessarily flashing roms etc. Example I wanted to make my bar transparent, so u could do that when rooted even though I was on stock rom.
Anyway just pop in your sim is all you have to do. You don't have to change any data plans or have to even tell ATT anything.
Vcolassi said:
Ok so my new Nexus is coming tomorrow I sold my AT&T note to get it. This is my first time getting a unlocked phone. Anything I shouldn't do upon setting it up. Or things I should do. I've been reading a so far in here for the last few days. Just wanna make sure everything goes smooth
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Why did you sell your note? i am planning to buy new phone im confused between note and nexus... hope u can help coz u used them both... my first choice was nexus...
Hey guys,
Just got my One and I love it, but I was hoping for an AOSP release. Due to some hurdles regarding keeping my unlimited data (long story short, my university has a corporate contract with Verizon that lets me keep unlimited data and get new phones, so I pay them) I missed the day 1 release.
I know we don't have an unlocked bootloader or S-Off, and while I know my way around a command line, I'm far from the talent that will eventually crack the bootloader open.
So my question is, why does Verizon lock the phone in the first place? There's a number of people in these forums who keep saying "Verizon sucks, I'm leaving" over the issue, and while I know XDA Users are >5% of the total ownership, how does Verizon benefit from keeping us out of our phones? We had the day 0 unlock, so it's not like HTC is against it.
Thoughts? I'm curious as to know the motivation behind hindering open development.
This has always concerned me as well. I know tethering is probably a big deal, as well as removing bloat, but besides that I think they just want to be in control over the software. Part of this makes sense but pushing software updates that can brick an already rooted device is a little overkill.
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piratekingdan said:
Hey guys,
Just got my One and I love it, but I was hoping for an AOSP release. Due to some hurdles regarding keeping my unlimited data (long story short, my university has a corporate contract with Verizon that lets me keep unlimited data and get new phones, so I pay them) I missed the day 1 release.
I know we don't have an unlocked bootloader or S-Off, and while I know my way around a command line, I'm far from the talent that will eventually crack the bootloader open.
So my question is, why does Verizon lock the phone in the first place? There's a number of people in these forums who keep saying "Verizon sucks, I'm leaving" over the issue, and while I know XDA Users are >5% of the total ownership, how does Verizon benefit from keeping us out of our phones? We had the day 0 unlock, so it's not like HTC is against it.
Thoughts? I'm curious as to know the motivation behind hindering open development.
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Well one simple answer is for warranty issue purposes... You have quiet a few people who don't know what they are doing when unlocking their devices whether it be s-off or just unlock in general and can have a bad flash depending on the process rendering the phone unusable (aka bricked) at that point the users first thought is "well I'm just going to go to Verizon and tell them my phone is borked and get a free one" .....
It's a terrible thing to do because you are basically stealing from the company that is providing you for your own error/negligence.
Another for a lot of users is free tethering apps that require root privileges where as Verizon wants you to use their own tethering app where they can monitor the use and charge you for the data usage as well..
Their is a number of different reasons they do it and it's all BS because quite frankly we are paying good money for these things and should have every right to do what we please with them!
piratekingdan said:
Hey guys,
Just got my One and I love it, but I was hoping for an AOSP release. Due to some hurdles regarding keeping my unlimited data (long story short, my university has a corporate contract with Verizon that lets me keep unlimited data and get new phones, so I pay them) I missed the day 1 release.
I know we don't have an unlocked bootloader or S-Off, and while I know my way around a command line, I'm far from the talent that will eventually crack the bootloader open.
So my question is, why does Verizon lock the phone in the first place? There's a number of people in these forums who keep saying "Verizon sucks, I'm leaving" over the issue, and while I know XDA Users are >5% of the total ownership, how does Verizon benefit from keeping us out of our phones? We had the day 0 unlock, so it's not like HTC is against it.
Thoughts? I'm curious as to know the motivation behind hindering open development.
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It cuts down on warranty fraud, service frauds (wifi tether etc), and potential network abuses.
Locked bootlaoders/secure phones are also a must for the business class customer, which they cater to
Murrda said:
Well one simple answer is for warranty issue purposes... You have quiet a few people who don't know what they are doing when unlocking their devices whether it be s-off or just unlock in general and can have a bad flash depending on the process rendering the phone unusable (aka bricked) at that point the users first thought is "well I'm just going to go to Verizon and tell them my phone is borked and get a free one" .....
It's a terrible thing to do because you are basically stealing from the company that is providing you for your own error/negligence.
Another for a lot of users is free tethering apps that require root privileges where as Verizon wants you to use their own tethering app where they can monitor the use and charge you for the data usage as well..
Their is a number of different reasons they do it and it's all BS because quite frankly we are paying good money for these things and should have every right to do what we please with them!
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This is also what I believe the reason is as well.
I like talking about rooting/modding on social media with other involved Android users. But there's also the people that have an Android and see us talking about the benefits then asking if we can root their phone for them. My usual reply is that if you can't figure out how to do it yourself, you shouldn't be messing with your phone's file system.
Many of these people are the kind that would try to exploit the warranty if they screwed up their own phone. I personally know a few that have tried and failed rooting their phone but got a replacement from VZW.
Every device they have to give out due to failed rooting is a device they could have made $200+contract on.
I mean realistically if you think about it HTC basically gave us the go ahead with htcdev it's Verizon that is being the pain in the you know what. If they really wanted to be tool bags then let us do what we please as using the htcdev site we are already agreeing that we understand the consequences of agreeing to unlocking the device and for those that decide to do so should not be granted support for our device if anything goes wrong... That's how I feel!
It would be kind of nice if we could sign something with Verizon basically waiving any right to any kind of warranty replacement if they would allow is to unlock. I'd sign it. I'm always careful about what I flash so I would happily agree. I never thought about the tethering thing though.
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I agree with the last two posts. We already agreed to void our warranty by using htcdev in the first place. I can halfway understand the tethering. They already keep track of the data we use. I pay for 4 gigs, I should be able to use it via tethering if I want to.
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For one, they want you to fall prey to the pre-installed bloat. But also because it costs them money if you have to keep using their customer service resources to figure out problems concerning your phone that it was never meant to do in the first place. They don't want to pay someone to be on the phone with a guy who hacked his device into oblivion unnecessarily. The costs of warranties is in addition to that. It does make business sense, as much as it irks the rest of us. And boy does it irk us... I planned to debloat my device the hour I got it but missed the HTCDev window by 12 hours thanks to a f**k up at my local retail store.
corporate customers, id believe
Lykarsis said:
It would be kind of nice if we could sign something with Verizon basically waiving any right to any kind of warranty replacement if they would allow is to unlock. I'd sign it. I'm always careful about what I flash so I would happily agree. I never thought about the tethering thing though.
Sent from my HTC One
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This is basically what the HTCDev.com unlock entailed. You agree to voiding your warranty upon unlocking the device. I'm totally cool with this and it's why I proceed with caution and carry insurance.
As far as tethering and security, these concerns exist with devices that are solely rooted and it seems root exploits are frequently found in even the most "secure" devices. Do locked bootloaders stand in the way of root? From what I've seen the answer seems to be no. That said, how does locking the bootloader make the phone that much more "secure" for the corporate clientele?
mlin said:
This is basically what the HTCDev.com unlock entailed. You agree to voiding your warranty upon unlocking the device. I'm totally cool with this and it's why I proceed with caution and carry insurance.
As far as tethering and security, these concerns exist with devices that are solely rooted and it seems root exploits are frequently found in even the most "secure" devices. Do locked bootloaders stand in the way of root? From what I've seen the answer seems to be no. That said, how does locking the bootloader make the phone that much more "secure" for the corporate clientele?
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Actually on HTC's, locked bootloader does prevent root exploits (not the exploit themselves, but maintaining root after the initial attack on the device) by having write protection as well as a write lock on the device from the bootloader as well (write protection is from the kernel)
mlin said:
This is basically what the HTCDev.com unlock entailed. You agree to voiding your warranty upon unlocking the device. I'm totally cool with this and it's why I proceed with caution and carry insurance.
As far as tethering and security, these concerns exist with devices that are solely rooted and it seems root exploits are frequently found in even the most "secure" devices. Do locked bootloaders stand in the way of root? From what I've seen the answer seems to be no. That said, how does locking the bootloader make the phone that much more "secure" for the corporate clientele?
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Well, in the case of most HTC devices, and unlocked bootloader does stand in the way of permanent root. Nothing you change holds through a reboot. I don't know for sure if it stop you from tethering.
It doesn't stop you from tethering, just makes it a bit harder. FoxFi is a good example, I'm locked yet foxfi still allows me to tether and set up a hotspot. I think PDAnet also works for USB tethering but not totally sure on that one.
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Actually on HTC's, locked bootloader does prevent root exploits (not the exploit themselves, but maintaining root after the initial attack on the device) by having write protection as well as a write lock on the device from the bootloader as well (write protection is from the kernel)
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Well, in the case of most HTC devices, and unlocked bootloader does stand in the way of permanent root. Nothing you change holds through a reboot. I don't know for sure if it stop you from tethering.
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Ah, good to know. Thanks, I didn't realize this though now that you mention it, it does remind me of the EVO3D days when we were having trouble maintaining root through a reboot.
Its all tethering or hotspot you can cancell your home internet and just use lte
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It doesn't stop you from tethering, just makes it a bit harder. FoxFi is a good example, I'm locked yet foxfi still allows me to tether and set up a hotspot. I think PDAnet also works for USB tethering but not totally sure on that one.
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So foxfi does work? Pay app or free? Only reason I want to root unlock is for this my note 2 is rooted unlocked. So I can use that for my flash addiction
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Its all tethering or hotspot you can cancell your home internet and just use lte
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So foxfi does work? Pay app or free? Only reason I want to root unlock is for this my note 2 is rooted unlocked. So I can use that for my flash addiction
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maybe if your home internet consists of one device, but LTE is too variable to be a viable home internet solution for me. I'll keep my cable 50 connection (hopefully upping to 100 in the next year).
as far as the tethering goes I"m not so certain that's the issue if you think about it AT&T and Verizon offer free tethering via their carrier apps so no point in making that an issue also to add to that you are given a set limit on how much data you use (I.E 2GB,4GB,6GB, & Etc) not like in Sprint's case where they offer you "Unlimited Data" (Albeit at a slower speed) still gives you the opportunity to abuse it. So as i see it they are two different cases so it shouldn't make a difference whether you use their app or a third party app.and going with what every one else has stated if we are going thru the TRUE manufacturer of the phone and they are allowing us a viable option to get what we seek with their disclaimers included then why block us out from getting what we require and what we paid for ?
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as far as the tethering goes I"m not so certain that's the issue if you think about it AT&T and Verizon offer free tethering via their carrier apps so no point in making that an issue also to add to that you are given a set limit on how much data you use (I.E 2GB,4GB,6GB, & Etc) not like in Sprint's case where they offer you "Unlimited Data" (Albeit at a slower speed) still gives you the opportunity to abuse it. So as i see it they are two different cases so it shouldn't make a difference whether you use their app or a third party app.and going with what every one else has stated if we are going thru the TRUE manufacturer of the phone and they are allowing us a viable option to get what we seek with their disclaimers included then why block us out from getting what we require and what we paid for ?
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what are you talking about? He has unlimited data as do alot of us. Verizon required those on unlimited data to pay 30 a month for tethering.
It's all to force you to pay more.
They killed the FM radio so that you have to use more data and run over your cap (if you're in that sad lot with limited data). And they block bootleg hotspots so that you have to pay for that too. Etc, etc.
If we can root, we can have devices that are as good and cheap to use as the ones on the other carriers, and that's not allowed.
Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
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Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
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I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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Could you please tell me what setting? I get great service where I work and haven't had a problem with any other phone. I even went to Verizon and got a new SIM card. I've tried everything, starting with factory resets and clearing the cache. I have sleep mode off, app data sync on, mobile data is not restricted or limited, I've tried with and without beats audio enabled. The audio cuts out about every 5 minutes for 5-10 seconds and comes back on, just to cut out again for 5-10 seconds every 5 or so minutes. It's very annoying. The only thing that really helps is the data connection fix app, but that's not 100% reliable. I even called HTC and Verizon about the issue and they are looking into it. I would have normally just tried a different ROM, but I'm unable to unlock/s-off/root my phone because I'm on 4.4.2(3.11.605.1). That's the only reason I even called them. I currently have my phone up for sale and I'm seriously thinking about switching my service to sprint. I'm tired of paying top dollar for used phones to keep my unlimited data on Verizon. For all I know, there could be a problem with the phone, but it seems like a software issue to me. Everything else works and runs great. It's just that streaming Internet Radio is the thing I use most.
Have you tried this?
http://androidforums.com/htc-one/732481-beats-audio-setting-interrupts-streaming-audio.html
https://twitter.com/TeamAndIRC/status/443850349678321664
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Have you tried this?
Yes I've tried. It has nothing to do with beats audio. For some reason it just drops the data connection for like 5-10 seconds with the screen off every 5 minutes or so. I don't know if it's incompatible apps with 4.4.2 or 4.4.2 itself. It could also have something to do with the HTC sense software. It could just be the way this phone communicates with the Verizon towers. I have no idea and it's very frustrating. The last time I had a problem similar to this was when I had an LG Optimus V on Virgin Mobile and it would lose 3g and I would have to turn off the data connection and turn it back on. This is different, though, because I have 4G LTE all the time. There just seems to be a delay in receiving my data to where the Internet Radio cuts out before it signals for more data. Then by the time I receive more data, it's too late and the sound has already cut out. I did a speed test and I'm getting about 30mbps download and around 15mbps upload so I know I'm not being throttled. The only thing that helps is the data connection fix app.
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I did some more testing and I don't have any issues on WiFi and I don't have any issues if the screen stays on. It's only on cellular data with the screen off when I'm having issues. I noticed the Power Saving feature was removed in 4.4.2 and instead there's a sleep mode option. I have the sleep mode option off, but I'm thinking my issue might be because of a power saving bug in the HTC software for 4.4.2. If anybody knows anything about this, please post. Thanks
Think it will ever be unlocked?
I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
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I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
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Well it took beaups and crew about 1 month + to get 4.3 unlocked. Plus it seems more devs are having issues with 4.4.2 so it could be longer. At this point hope for the best and expect the worse.
I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
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I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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Valid points! That's why I said "almost every time"... I really just need root and I would be happy but I switch devices so much that I probably won't even have the One (my 3rd HTC One) by the time it gets exploited (if) it does. And I do understand that Google has to close a lot of security holes so that they don't look like they are such a terrible company by allowing all of these terrible "viruses" into our phones which I have never had any issues with. I do agree with you though that we will probably all be buying dev phones sooner than later. Thanks for the insight!
Just another reason to leave Verizon and go get a Nexus device.