it feels weird that tablets like the nexus 7 retails at 200 dollars while our 5.5 inch phone retails at 800... yet the only differences are the cell radios, the wacom tablet and the oled... yet the 10 inch tablets are also cheaper than our phones at 500...
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Because the smaller the parts the more mfg costs. Not to mention the oled, wacom and radios cost a significant amount more than not adding them, then you have all the extra software to program to control the hardware, etc. In mobile electronics the smaller the components the more they cost to mfg and assemble as it requires specialized tools and a human instead of a machine to assemble. Micro soldering equipment costs upwards of a half million dollars for a low volume machine. The ones they use in the assembly plants do upwards of 100 devices at a time.
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Because the smaller the parts the more mfg costs. Not to mention the oled, wacom and radios cost a significant amount more than not adding them, then you have all the extra software to program to control the hardware, etc. In mobile electronics the smaller the components the more they cost to mfg and assemble as it requires specialized tools and a human instead of a machine to assemble. Micro soldering equipment costs upwards of a half million dollars for a low volume machine. The ones they use in the assembly plants do upwards of 100 devices at a time.
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Yup. OP, the motherboard in your note2 that contains basically everything is about the size of a standard business card... Most of the rest of the internal volume of your phone is the battery.
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Yup. OP, the motherboard in your note2 that contains basically everything is about the size of a standard business card... Most of the rest of the internal volume of your phone is the battery.
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Yeah about the size of a business card only it has essentially more hardware strapped to it than a full blown PC. The pins that need to be soldered are so small they're measured in microns. To put that in perspective the pins are about as wide as the average human hair and they are stacked right next to each other. The person who solders these does it via remote control while watching whats going on thru a microscope. Just the extra amount of software that needs to be developed and maintained alone increases the cost exponentially. Its not like they have 1 guy working on it, typically its a team of 4-20 software engineers with a base pay of around 80k a year for the lowest guy on the totem pole and anywhere upwards of 250k for the lead some leads make 2 or 3x that. All that cost factors in to the msrp of the devices. A wifi only tablet would require a much smaller team of devs to create and maintain the software and those devs also don't need to specialize in cellular technology, which means they don't cost as much to employ.
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I agree with the above. There are just more features on the phone compared to the Nexus 7.
That said, you need to take into account the target audience between GN2 and Nexux 7. The N7, as nice of device as it is, is meant as entry device. The screen is nice, but other than that, it's kind of barebones, no SD card slot, no SIM slot, and so forth. The GN2 is a flagship phone. Besides all the bells and whistles, the companies charge more because of it as well. I would also add that since they don't sell as many, they charge more to hit that profit margin they seek. Plus, who knows what subsidy Sprint paid Samsung, which could also have an effect.
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The pins that need to be soldered are so small they're measured in microns. To put that in perspective the pins are about as wide as the average human hair and they are stacked right next to each other. The person who solders these does it via remote control while watching whats going on thru a microscope.
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Not quite right...all small SMT components are hot air flowed... not "soldered" by hand..
Now-a-days the only thing soldered with an iron are large wires, and components that can't be wave soldered (PCBs travel through a pool of molten solder) or surface mount flowed with hot air/oven (a screen press deposits solder paste and then a rapid product placer deposits the SMD components on the PCB.) Then the PCB is sent through an oven. SMD solder melts at much lower temperatures than your typical rosin core solder. The benefit of SMD placement is the solder is suspended in flux, and they chips have the tendency to "self align" if not placed exactly. However the precision of rapid product placers are simply incredible. Ours was calibrated in the 10s of microns.
Here's a vid that might help illustrate it better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJS_Jqw3Sy0
As you can see, only the "large" components are done by hand. EVERYTHING else is automated.
References: Father was an EE with Dupont, and I used to work at a PCB manufacturing facility (yes some stuff tech is still made in the good ol' USA!)
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Going back on topic....
Google is selling the Nexus 7 at a loss... if not a loss a VERY VERY VERY small margin.
Your Note 2 did not cost $300. It cost $700 or more. Sprint helped you buy that phone by purchasing it subsidized. Not to mention OLED is a much more expensive technology than LCD.
I'm going to assume you've never seen a cellphone manufacturing floor so I'll leave this here
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tell me do you see any automated machines assembling those logic boards?
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I'm going to assume you've never seen a cellphone manufacturing floor so I'll leave this here
tell me do you see any automated machines assembling those logic boards?
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Those are South Korean cyborgs... duh!
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Those are South Korean cyborgs... duh!
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Um... I see workers handling assembled boards for final assembly. Yes final assembly may be done by hand, but I can assure you humans are not placing individual SMT components and soldering them. Attaching ribbon cables and assembling the board into the frame/attaching the screen? Absolutely done by hand. I was speaking specifically about the PCB manufacturing process.
I have visited many factories in China. I spent 8 months there for a company I worked for. Our parent company hand "vested interest" in other manufacturing facilities. Let's just say I had alot of free time when I was over there... and when I was a kid the only reason I watched "Mr Rogers" was the "intro" part to see how stuff was made. Once the whole train going into la-la-land started I cut it off So naturally I visited facilities I was allowed to. Cellphone facility in particular? No, however it doesn't matter if that PCB is for a cell phone, a computer, a GPS, a digital camera, or an automotive engine computer they are all made the same way.
It's just not economical. Those PCBs are made 4-10 to a sheet in mass quantities, cut down with automated mills, then shipped to the actual phone manufacturer, as most of the time those PCBs are outsourced.
I know man even all models of galaxy tab 2 are cheaper then s iii note ii and others its because processor tab 2 has 1 GHz processor and specs are not that good maybe next gen tabe will be more expensive.
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what the? don't be afraid of punctuation. I think you have four sentences in that one long run on. And I can't figure out what you're trying to say, never mind the point you're expressing. you're killing me.
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They're Chinese actually. That pic is of the assembly line where they solder the emmc and SoC to the logic boards. I can't remember if that pic is of iPhone assembly or another phone, but I'm almost positive those were from the inspections for work conditions for Apple at foxconn. The workers there hand attach the SoC, emmc and radio antennas SoC and emmc require soldering. The main assembly line looks like a sea of people where they assemble the housing/logic board to have a finished product after its been thru these clean rooms where all the electronic parts are soldered and tested. The closest workers in these pics are doing QC testing on the SoC before it goes to the next line(to the right in the pic) where it will be attached to the board
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The difference is carriers. N7s are also available with modems and of course support external modems, I. used my a500 as a phone for almost 6 months. There are also a lot more complaints and support costs (think retail stores and airwaves) and the carriers want mega returns while retail and hw vendors leave to live on lower margins. Finally the are a lot more phone than tablet models and companies sucking from the profit trough. The differences have nothing to do with the size of the device or direct costs.
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what the? don't be afraid of punctuation. I think you have four sentences in that one long run on. And I can't figure out what you're trying to say, never mind the point you're expressing. you're killing me.
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If you're going to judge someone's sentences, then I'd say you could join them in an English class as well.... Your sentences aren't prefect; neither are mine. This is a forum not an elitist bastard gathering.
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If you're going to judge someone's sentences, then I'd say you could join them in an English class as well.... Your sentences aren't prefect; neither are mine. This is a forum not an elitist bastard gathering.
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LOL. In my mind, my sentences are perfect, LOL Thus, I never proof read my postings,
I may have rambled, but I seriously had no clue what the poor guy was trying to say. I couldn't tell when a thought started and stopped. I've been reading poor internet speech for almost twenty years, which I've gotten pretty good at reading through most grammar errors. I wasn't trying to be an enlists, but point out one problem and why it was problem.
I just can't picture I was the only one who couldn't figure out what he was trying to say. It may have been a good point. As my German teacher once said to our class, "the first goal of language is to express an idea. After that, it's all about cleaning up the expression." I don't think he accomplished the first goal. With that said, if there is a problem, and nothing is ever said, then how can it fixed or improved upon.
Just don't ask me to enter any spelling bees, LOL.
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back on topic, another reason the GN2 is more expensive is because Samsung or Sprint can charge more because some people are willing to pay more for it. Proof, most of this subform with everyone who bought one, LOL.
It part of how Apple makes a money by truck loads. People are willing to pay more for their products versus other comparable products.
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LOL. In my mind, my sentences are perfect, LOL Thus, I never proof read my postings,
I may have rambled, but I seriously had no clue what the poor guy was trying to say. I couldn't tell when a thought started and stopped. I've been reading poor internet speech for almost twenty years, which I've gotten pretty good at reading through most grammar errors. I wasn't trying to be an enlists, but point out one problem and why it was problem.
I just can't picture I was the only one who couldn't figure out what he was trying to say. It may have been a good point. As my German teacher once said to our class, "the first goal of language is to express an idea. After that, it's all about cleaning up the expression." I don't think he accomplished the first goal. With that said, if there is a problem, and nothing is ever said, then how can it fixed or improved upon.
Just don't ask me to enter any spelling bees, LOL.
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back on topic, another reason the GN2 is more expensive is because Samsung or Sprint can charge more because some people are willing to pay more for it. Proof, most of this subform with everyone who bought one, LOL.
It part of how Apple makes a money by truck loads. People are willing to pay more for their products versus other comparable products.
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Are you referring to me? At what point was I making run on sentences? Yeah I put stuff in parenthesis alot, probably not where they're "supposed" to go but I'm on a cell phone forum, not an English teacher's discussion group.
I think it was pretty easy to understand what my post is.
While all the claims of smaller in size = higher costs are true to a certain point, thats not the main culprit.
The main reason is the carrier subsidy. Basically the price is $800 because anyways you will only pay $200 and the carrier will cover the rest, so they can pretty much charge whatever they want. If there was no carrier subsidy, almost no one would pay $800 for a phone, there would be no demand, and they would HAVE to lower the prices.
-EViL-KoNCEPTz- said:
They're Chinese actually. That pic is of the assembly line where they solder the emmc and SoC to the logic boards. I can't remember if that pic is of iPhone assembly or another phone, but I'm almost positive those were from the inspections for work conditions for Apple at foxconn. The workers there hand attach the SoC, emmc and radio antennas SoC and emmc require soldering. The main assembly line looks like a sea of people where they assemble the housing/logic board to have a finished product after its been thru these clean rooms where all the electronic parts are soldered and tested. The closest workers in these pics are doing QC testing on the SoC before it goes to the next line(to the right in the pic) where it will be attached to the board
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FWIW,
You are correct that the individuals in the photo are, in fact, Chinese.
However, the photo isn't a "cellphone manufacturing floor."
Those aren't logic boards, and nobody is assembling or soldering anything at all.
It's actually the Seagate hard drive factory in Wuxi, China - and those are hard drives which have already been assembled.
The "tool" you see the girl in the background using is not a soldering iron - it's a barcode scanner.
PoorHomey said:
FWIW,
You are correct that the individuals in the photo are, in fact, Chinese.
However, the photo isn't a "cellphone manufacturing floor."
Those aren't logic boards, and nobody is assembling or soldering anything at all.
It's actually the Seagate hard drive factory in Wuxi, China - and those are hard drives which have already been assembled.
The "tool" you see the girl in the background using is not a soldering iron - it's a barcode scanner.
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My bad, that's what I get for trying to pic a photo from hundreds of thumbnails of factory workers. Probably should have opened my gallery first lol. Here's the right pics bottom photo is closer up of worker soldering logic boards. Rest are randoms of workers in various phases of production, all people no automated machines anywhere
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that's what I get for trying to pic a photo from hundreds of thumbnails of factory workers.
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Not tryin to be nit-picky here... But the first pic is a garment factory, and those are SEWING MACHINES!!!. lol
Third pic is from a seafood processing plant.
In one of the bottom pics, a worker is inserting the ATX power connectors into PC motherboards.
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Hi there, I am currently making a magnetic floatation holder compatible with any android phone. I recently came across these threads and was wondering if anybody knew how I could shield the internal apparatus from magnetic interference? The phones are currently floating in mid air within the holder box but they refuse to function correctly due to the immensely powerful magnetic field surrounding it. Any advise at all would be greatly appreciated?
Have you tried a rubber lining? That may help...
Tried many linings
Hi, thanks for the speedy response. I have tried everything from Aerospace Aluminium, plastic, rubber and Titanium. The only material that currently works is lead and that has to be 3mm thick which makes it way too heavy. If there is maybe anyone you know that could literally coat each mechanism and distribution board within the device with lead that would be great but also impractical for multiple cellphone compatibility. I am sooo close but yet soo far. I have managed to adjust the magnetic frequency to allow minimal interference but it still leads variable damage in multiple areas. I have recently applied for a patent but I pray I can find an unknown material. I am just missing something but cannot put my finger on it. Anyways thanks for your kind response but I am 2 minutes away from burning everything......Sooo frustrating. If you come up with any ideas pweeez let me know, my brain is fried.
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Thanks for your help KT, I managed to get in touch with one of the guys responsible for Maglev train magnetic composite technologies and he agreed to help me for a small percentage of total profits. It will be ready about March next year for initial testing, maybe you guys at XDA can use a few 1hundred units for testing? It seems to me this is the best arena to get a feel for the product? Thanks anyway, I will be looking into it.
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I'm extremely confused to why u would need this... Even more confused about how u would market them...
Great Toy, Looks Alien.
Don't you just hate scratched cellphone/tablet screens. Well now(4months time in S.A) you can simply throw your phone into the invisible magnetic field and when there is no contact with the ground your face cannot be scratched. When you get into your car, simply plug it into your sig lighter and your phone etc can be held in mid air. No more key scratches, no more make-up marks on your device. And it looks really space age, your glowing Android etc phone hovering in mid air. And it will also charge automatically while in the magnetic spectrum. Use it as a night clock/light and place it on(or rather over) your night stand table.
Well at least I hope people would use this because I have spent an infinite amount of time and energy, not to mention hard capital, on this adventure of mine. The ride has been great and tough at times but hopefully the law of thermodynamics will ensure at least a 60% return on energy invested. The guys at Maglev where ecstatic so I am sure they would not help me out as they have unless they knew it was a sure bet. Anyways, thanks for the constructive criticism.
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Don't you just hate scratched cellphone/tablet screens. Well now(4months time in S.A) you can simply throw your phone into the invisible magnetic field and when there is no contact with the ground your face cannot be scratched. When you get into your car, simply plug it into your sig lighter and your phone etc can be held in mid air. No more key scratches, no more make-up marks on your device. And it looks really space age, your glowing Android etc phone hovering in mid air. And it will also charge automatically while in the magnetic spectrum. Use it as a night clock/light and place it on(or rather over) your night stand table.
Well at least I hope people would use this because I have spent an infinite amount of time and energy, not to mention hard capital, on this adventure of mine. The ride has been great and tough at times but hopefully the law of thermodynamics will ensure at least a 60% return on energy invested. The guys at Maglev where ecstatic so I am sure they would not help me out as they have unless they knew it was a sure bet. Anyways, thanks for the constructive criticism.
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My 2c (worth even less )
It sounds very cool, and very techy and geeky, however I don't know if I see the mass market potential for this type of device?
Also I have a couple of questions:
Does the phone hold its position once placed in the magnetic field? Or is it able to rotate freely?
What about the potential effects on wristwatches and other non sheilded devices? I don't want to put my phone in a mag field and have my watch go blank.
That being said I wish you luck - hopefully I'm wrong and you can retire on this idea
Spot On
You are absolutely correct, containment, extrapolation, dispersion on a lateral effect and cross intensification are issues that are currently being worked on. As of yet nobody in S.A has the mechanical techniques nor tools that I require to enclose the radial disturbance, only one company in Germany can manage the calibration needed. And this has only recently been developed through discoveries made on the Large Hadron Collider. Fortunately, the guys at Maglev's, ITSC, have a ready made and diverse magnetic operating coil for my device. With ought going into all the technical babble, I have got a free travel package to Germany next month and they say my mind will be blown away when I see the solution they came up with. And, retirement, no way, my brain could not handle being idle for 5 seconds. These guys are brilliant, I gave them blueprints a week ago and they already have a model I need to sign off on. So I am sure all your devices will not be affected in any way. Gonna hit the waves now, have not surfed in 3weeks. I hope I can count on xda to distribute a few working units when I get back? When you guys O.K a device, it's future is certain.....
I'm a novice so this might be stupid. Your focus seems to be on insulation. Have you tried going the opposite way? Maybe construct some sort of golden faraday cage?
Also, If I got one of those testing units, that would be tits.
im not certian a faraday cage would work. but it would definately be worth trying, not gold though (gold wont conduct magentic flux very well), ferrite, iron, anything that conducts magnetism very well with very little remaining magnetic field when the source is removed (there is a property specified for that, but i cant remember the name). had part would be covering the screen and not being an eyesore. im not gonna watch the thread so OP can pm me for a bit more info if they wish.
any snap shots i know it might be a no but i really want to see this very intrested
Hey sorry, been out of town for a few days. No problem, as soon as I got the reworked casings in place I can send you a pic. Just a tad dicey at the moment due to copy right etc. Oh and brilliant, the Faraday cage worked perfectly in my initial testing +-1year ago but it blocked the entire device off and stopped easy insertion of the phone. All the kinks are pretty much sorted, you can throw the phone from 3metres away and the field will capture it. Received a vid from MGLEV tests, it was lank hilarious, I am so stoked my baby is almost sorted. thanks guys for input, how can I get in touch with xda management, want to organize initial releases for +- 1000 members? Just require delivery reception details and a few agreements, no cost to you at xda at all? Thank you, God Bless.
I think this guy is screwing with us. He sound like a back to the future movie.
And you waited all this time to tell us? (read the last date it was posted).
I see what you mean though, kinda too good to be true or, at least, too expensive to buy commercially
This is not too good to be true. The magnetic levitation technique has been demonstrated even with living beings in lab. There are adornments in market that float in free air with magnetic levitation.
http://www.google.com/search?source...pw.r_cp.&fp=200a4278d8f8f451&biw=1024&bih=655
However, I guess it's far fetched to use it for cellphones since the inteference and damage to components will be too high. However, I doubt the authenticity of this post as MagLev trains have little in their design that'd help shielding a mobile phone.
If scratched surfaces annoy you, use a woolen holder.
hmmm any updates?
I'd love to do testing; got like 4 different phones to test with
Anyone come across a windshield mount yet?
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Anyone come across a windshield mount yet?
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http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/cell-phones-accessories/ECS-K1D9BEGSTA
I use this one that I have had since 2008. Accommodates any phone and is rock solid.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Scosche-Mobile-Windshield-and-Vent-Mount-Kit/14913091
I tried to place an order for that today from the Samsung website. All accessories, including the spare battery, are backordered.
Those are illegal in californiaI think
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Mine from best buy works perfect. Not the rocketfish but the other brand, starts with a g but i cAnt remember the name
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Those are illegal in californiaI think
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I had a mount for my original Epic. Never got hassled the entire time I had it.
Gouging
Am I the only one that thinks the Samsung mount is incredibly expensive considering what it is they are selling?
Technically it is illegal to have ANYTHING attached to the Windshield of a vehicle in the state of California. You may never get hassled for it, but if you do get pulled over and a cop wants to be a jerk, it could be used to increase the amount of the fine on the ticket. It's like having the front side windows or windsheild of your car tinted, you may never get hassled but all it takes is one cop to force you to remove it.
Just fyi I have a TPU-Case and the GARMIN NUVI fits awesome. I have same as the link below. No-mods and everything fits
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Am I the only one that thinks the Samsung mount is incredibly expensive considering what it is they are selling?
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Nope, I thought the same thing. Also with the way its designed you wouldn't get your phone in there with a case on it.
I have the rocket fish universal from Best Buy (~$25), just have to clamp it toward the bottom of the phone. I've locked the lower-volume-button down twice already by accident.
I would avoid a windshield mount. It's just giving cops a reason to pull you over and give you a ticket. I bought this http://www.wiredforless.com/product_p/soundm2.htm at $15 after shipping with coupon code woot for my girlfriend's HTC Arrive and she's loving it. I'm going to grab another one for my E4GT and attach the button to my TPU case.
I've banged this drum for every device I have owned here on XDA, the best mount solution, bar none, is the Brodit/Proclip system. You don't run into the legal/safety issues of a windshield mount, it is rock solid and does not pop out, etc. and the vehicle half of the solution has lasted me through at least 6 different devices.
http://www.proclipusa.com/
I know that sounds like a plug, and the upfront investment is steep, but it soo worth it. I have the universal device adapter and am using that right now for my brand new baby, but as soon as they release the custom molded one I will be purchasing that.
Why are these mounts so expensive? $30 for $3-5 worth of components just seems a but steep for me. I know I will eventually break down and buy something, but it just seems crazy to me that these mounts cost more then a DVD Burner for a computer which has far more components and takes far more energy and costs to produce. I know I said it about the samsung unit, but all of the units shown so far seem to have the exorbidant prices.
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Why are these mounts so expensive? $30 for $3-5 worth of components just seems a but steep for me. I know I will eventually break down and buy something, but it just seems crazy to me that these mounts cost more then a DVD Burner for a computer which has far more components and takes far more energy and costs to produce. I know I said it about the samsung unit, but all of the units shown so far seem to have the exorbidant prices.
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sorta agree, but with some important caveats. this is a mistake most people make, which is taking materials costs as any kind of indicator of product price. setting aside market dynamics (ie idiots willing to overpay such as myself haha):
there are other inputs such as testing, design and development costs plus overhead to consider. this is especially true for the smaller companies mentioned above as their per unit overhead is significantly higher.
and then there is the added cost of monetizing the risk of producing items that people may not want. you are taking a risk and will always make far too many of some items and run out of stock for others you had not anticipated. you need to make those that are selling pay for all the others that did not. you can sink money into some market intelligence, but that will only get you so far and will ultimately only partially solve the problem.
that is why there are so many damn iPhone accessories and so few for other devices, why you can walk into a mall anywhere and buy iPhone cases, etc for like $5 including all of the above: because there is no added risk to the maker and a larger overall market that is a proven "buy buy buy" audience. there may be more android phones, but there are more iPhones than any single android phone out there by a looooong mile.
wow... dont know what provoked that, haha.
Blu3Fr0g said:
Why are these mounts so expensive? $30 for $3-5 worth of components just seems a but steep for me. I know I will eventually break down and buy something, but it just seems crazy to me that these mounts cost more then a DVD Burner for a computer which has far more components and takes far more energy and costs to produce. I know I said it about the samsung unit, but all of the units shown so far seem to have the exorbidant prices.
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It mostly comes down to volume.
Chinese manufacturers can crank out those DVD drives, and probably make the same guts that are used across more DVD drives than you could ever imagine, under the covers. They have one factory, ramped up to highest volume production, getting the highest volume production on parts, cheapest labor cost spread across the total manufacturing volume (likely millions), and you get cheap DVD drives.
If they were manufactured in factories like these, where the manufacturing volumes might be in the thousands, or tens of thousands, then the cost of equipment, manufacturing, and labor (although likely smaller in total) has to be spread across far fewer units.
Imagine the cost of setting up a factory, or even just molds and leased time on an assembly facility that was already set up to injection mold-
That's one-time setup, that's either spread across 10 units or 10 million. Chances are the plastic that goes into it is a buck or two, but it's the other costs that have to be spread over the whole manufacturing run.
I don't think it's that they are trying to rip anyone off.
I wish there were more pictures of the windshield mount...
I want a car dock, so that I can not only use nav without draining my battery, but also pipe Pandora and music into my aux in on my car stereo. Perfect!!
It would be slick if this dock used the sound via USB port to provide an audio output. does it??
Slick: Dock phone, done.
Not slick: Plug USB cable in, plug audio cable in, set phone in holder contraption. Explain wires going everywhere to everyone.
Using the same Arkon mount I had for my EVO 4G. It's the older side side squeeze model so the problem with that is the teeth in the gears wear down and if your not careful one side will be in while the other is still out. I've had to take it apart to adjust it correctly and now it's okay.
If I had get or recommend another one it would be one of their newer model:
http://www.arkon.com/Slim-Grip_Car_Mount.php
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It's slimmer and has a spring load grip system. My friend has it for his iPhone 4 and it works great.
I don't want to hijack the thread, so I will just say that I have an intimate knowledge of product sourcing at the manufacturing and the retail levels. Thanks for the replies as your thoughts are very much appreciated.
I really want to be able to mount my cell phone and my View 4G and my Epic Touch in my car for ease of access and use. Primarily using my View for turn by turn directions and my ET for phone and SMS. I use my View for accessing websites as it provides a better experience with the larger screen. So I really like the ProClip mount for the ET but the combined price for the bracket and device holder might drive me to the Samsung one. I have also thought about just buying a Laptop Auto Mount from Ebay and using Velcro to secure them to the flat surface of the mount.
Nice mount. Any pictures with phone in mount?
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Nice mount. Any pictures with phone in mount?
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I agree... pics would be great to see of that mount.
The price is right, and worst case I could solve the cable issues by just having the USB cable looped around as an optional plug in, hardwired to the car, and buying a bluetooth adapter to feed audio into my stereo system via bluetooth.
This adds to the cost since the bluetooth adapters are between $50-$75, but could be slick and create that level of seamless integration that I want.
I'd love to see the phone in the mount, if you can snap a shot.
Okay guys.
So I just got my 4S back from these guys, and wow, I am honestly amazed.
I saw them on my local news a few days ago, and figured what the hell. Apparently they put your phone through a process that binds their product on a molecular level, and makes it "waterproof" I didn't think it'd work as good as in the videos but it really does.
Essentially what happens is, you pay and ship your phone to them. Within a day of receiving it, they treat your phone and send it back. (can do the express version for 10$ more)
I sent my phone in on a monday, received it back on that thursday. I then decided to put it to the test. filled up my sink (about a foot and a half deep), closed my eyes, and submerged my 4s. To my astonishment, I opened my eyes and the screen was still on! I was even able to type a message to my girlfriend telling her I was texting her from underwater xD
I then answered a call in the shower the next morning and all worked fine! Its been a week since Ive gotten my phone back and have done the sink trick countless times to impress my friends, and it still works like new hehe. just thought id share, seeing as a good waterproof case for the 4s is about 20$ more.
http://www.liquipel.com
edit: I figured the accessories thread was the best place, let me know if you feel otherwise ;P
heres a good demo i found of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtsSPZCGmuY
Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
killall said:
Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
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try emailing them? I thought i read somewhere on there site that they can usually make accommodations for devices not on the list..
And they JUST started taking orders at CES, so they should expand the supported devices soon if theyre doing this good. pretty great start imo xD
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Ah. Well that might be a problem then xD
killall said:
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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It said it was a mail in program... international mail... phone back in like 3 weeks lol
edit:The following devices are approved to be Liquipelled:
Apple iPhone 4s
Apple iPhone 4
Apple iPhone 3g/s
HTC Evo 4G
HTC Evo Shift 4G
HTC MyTouch 4G
HTC Thunderbolt
Motorola Droid X/X2
Samsung Charge
Wow that is amazing!!
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My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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Good question. You might have to email them on that one. I don't have to worry about it since my battery isn't "removable" lol
While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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It sounds like your completely guessing at what "it" does and how its applied. I on the other hand decided to investigate BEFORE acting as if i knew what it was we are discussing.
1. Its applied via vapor,in a vacuum chamber environment, so as to completely coat inside and out, all parts of said device. The coating is 1000 times thinner than a human hair and therefor does not change the way the phone feels or functions(screen response)
2. speakers are not effected because they too are waterproofed in the same nano tech molecular bonding process.
3. When you submerge your device once coated, water does completely run THROUGH your device. Short circuit cannot be obtained because the liquid cannot make contact to the positive and negative/grounding surfaces because of said thin/nano layer of protection. although it repels liquids, it still allows all existing electrical pathways to function without flaw, and will conduct electricity thus allowing for the capacitive functions to work also.
4. This technology was not designed to make your phone "UNDERWATER" proof, and they recommend not submerging any device in liquid. In the case that your phone falls from your hoodie pocket into the toilet, you can retrieve (and hopefully) rinse your device before electrical failure/short occurs. Its a backup plan for accidents, not a solution for mobile underwater photography or social networking.
These statements are not conjecture. this is what happens when you read and investigate what youve read.
If your gonna troll, at least take the time to know what your talking about. F'in trolls!
Not trolling, just thought this was the "old" method previously adopted (was it by Vertu?).
If you call anyone a troll for showing interest then I guess you would be alone in this world as a non-troll, just saiyan
Did you even read what you wrote??? Words like "probably", and other staments like "naturally closed" make you sound like an idiot, which im sure you are not... but if you are gonna post in a category, wouldnt it help to know the subject your posting about. The information is there and one should not have to ?guess?
I on the other hand became very curious about said tech, and therefor did the research needed to contribute to this discussion.
There are no what if this happens in this case because the are selling a tested product, and have limited device compatibility - for now.
I was hoping that when i saw a new post on this thread that it was someone with valuable information, trying to fill gapps of knowledge, but it was just "what if's" and "probably's"... come on. If you want to pm me about what ive learned about this product, ill be happy to share anything else i have with anyone. I am here to learn, not waste valuable time reading conjecture based on nothing.
Hey smart guy why would you come here looking for information when you already know everything?
Even if I was still interested, I wouldn't ask someone like you (just letting you know so you dont have to constantly check you pm)
Later buddy
Seriously guys. This is to get other peoples opinion about the product. No need to argue
I would like to sell my N2 for a reasonable price, but not get ripped off at the same time.
The device was only used for a total of 3 months...
HOWEVER, it has a tiny crack next to the captivate buttons which is easily covered by a case...
The crack is not even on the digitizer/ screen viewing part.
& the issue is, whoever I show to trade/ sell use that as a major bargaining point, and I really dont care to waste my time with that or fixing it to get a better price.
I just want to unload this thing as quick as possible at a decent rate....cause my wife got me a N3 for xmas...and we need the money.
Thanks for any help/ tips/ ideas...
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Damage is damage is damage... It renders the "three months use" positive point you had kinda moot. (Sorry.)
Depending on the shape of the crack and its direction there's always a concern that it could spread.
FWIW, LNIB/BNIB Note 2s are advertised for 350-400$ in my local classifieds, check your market and adjust accordingly. (Without having seen said crack, I'd w.a.g. at 275-300$ for yours.)
Try emphasizing its legitimate provenance by supplying proper documentation? Blacklisted IMEIs are a growing concern after all.
Take multiple, clear pictures for your ad, lets would-be buyers know what they're getting into. (Too many browse these things like inattentive idiots, but it can't hurt in filtering out some people.)
Best of luck,
Darkshado
So, a few months ago I came across this DIY post by kidgenius, and my inner artist totally got inspired. Thanks, kidgenius! I have decided right then and there I want to design and make one myself. I am a 3D animator by trade, so design and modeling the charger in the computer is really simple for me. To actually make it, besides the basic on-the-fly-engineering that most handy person are capable of, I have basically no experience in engineering, machining of any sort. Greatest thing we have now I consider to be the internet. In a few basic search terms, I was presented with more reading material than I can digest in a short amount of time. So for the following 2 solid weeks, I was learning as much as I can about the whole range of topics in order to continue this project.
Now, five months later, after spending the amount of money would usually invoke the Hulk in most spouses on machines, tools, softwares and materials, I have finally something to show for.
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Ok, shameless plug time. Hoping to recoup some of the cost of this project, and to provide a product hopefully some may also like, I've put two different designs of the chargers on my Etsy store. These chargers take about 2-6 hours of setup and machine time and about an hour of hand finishing here in Illinois, USA. If you have any comments, I'd love to hear what you guys think.
Dude that's awesome. I'd buy one but, my wife would kill me for spending that much on a charger. On another note, I grew up in AH, BG class of 98. Out in Glenview now.
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Dude that's awesome. I'd buy one but, my wife would kill me for spending that much on a charger.
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same
This looks great. Is it just the wood design that is different between the 2 chargers?
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Thanks. Very nice town. I used to work there while I was in college.
EDIT: Apparently, I need to work on my reply skill on xda. This is to Lokke9191.
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This looks great. Is it just the wood design that is different between the 2 chargers?
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Yeah, I started with the design with all the non-parallel edges, angles and concave surfaces, and it turn out to be really difficult to machine. So I have simplified to a design that's a bit easier to make but still keep the same general look and feel. They both function the same as a nexus 5 charger.
Oh man that is beautiful! May I ask, what QI charger did you use in this stand? Did you take the Nexus Wireless Charger and embedded it in wood or the coil+circuitboard from the other thread?
The QI standard accepts a 5 mm looseness between the phone and the base, how did you take this into account?
How are the two pieces attached (the base and the slope), i.e. does it last?
Man this charger is awesome!
but very expensive
FapMaster784 said:
Man this charger is awesome!
but very expensive
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Dude, it's hand-made. What were you expecting?
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Dude, it's hand-made. What were you expecting?
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Thank you for understanding. Each one actually take me 3-4 nights from start to finish, and each one is made to order. After the material cost, I make less than minimum wage per hour on these. I do them because they are the product of love. If I have to make hundreds of them, I will probably find help in mass produce them and adjust the price accordingly.
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Oh man that is beautiful! May I ask, what QI charger did you use in this stand? Did you take the Nexus Wireless Charger and embedded it in wood or the coil+circuitboard from the other thread?
The QI standard accepts a 5 mm looseness between the phone and the base, how did you take this into account?
How are the two pieces attached (the base and the slope), i.e. does it last?
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Taking an existing charger and putting it in the wood would make it too far from the phone and will not charge well. I follow kidgenius' thread and came to a very similar way with the magnets, coil, and circuit board. This is actually a lot of prototyping and test to get this distance correct. Without the magnets it will be a lot simpler.
Originally I designed to have dovetails like how you would usually to a wood joint. But in order to have a more seamless look to it, I've changed it into them to have multiple faces at different angle as the contact for force distribution at multiple axises. On top of that, There are holes drilled through the back top piece that line up with holes on the bottom piece. Then I bolt them together right after applying adhesive at those previously mentioned faces, so the bolt action act as a self clamp for the 2 parts. I'd say they are quite strong. I have a tendency to over engineer.
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Taking an existing charger and putting it in the wood would make it too far from the phone and will not charge well. I follow kidgenius' thread and came to a very similar way with the magnets, coil, and circuit board. This is actually a lot of prototyping and test to get this distance correct. Without the magnets it will be a lot simpler.
Originally I designed to have dovetails like how you would usually to a wood joint. But in order to have a more seamless look to it, I've changed it into them to have multiple faces at different angle as the contact for force distribution at multiple axises. On top of that, There are holes drilled through the back top piece that line up with holes on the bottom piece. Then I bolt them together right after applying adhesive at those previously mentioned faces, so the bolt action act as a self clamp for the 2 parts. I'd say they are quite strong. I have a tendency to over engineer.
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Is the charger tolerant of phone cases? That is, will the magnets still hold and is the charge rate acceptable?
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Is the charger tolerant of phone cases? That is, will the magnets still hold and is the charge rate acceptable?
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I can't say it is. I did a lot of testing with different cases. In the end it's just no consistently enough to claim as such.
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Taking an existing charger and putting it in the wood would make it too far from the phone and will not charge well. I follow kidgenius' thread and came to a very similar way with the magnets, coil, and circuit board. This is actually a lot of prototyping and test to get this distance correct. Without the magnets it will be a lot simpler.
Originally I designed to have dovetails like how you would usually to a wood joint. But in order to have a more seamless look to it, I've changed it into them to have multiple faces at different angle as the contact for force distribution at multiple axises. On top of that, There are holes drilled through the back top piece that line up with holes on the bottom piece. Then I bolt them together right after applying adhesive at those previously mentioned faces, so the bolt action act as a self clamp for the 2 parts. I'd say they are quite strong. I have a tendency to over engineer.
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It's always good to over engineer a little bit
What about trickle charging, does the board support it? And how fast is it charging from empty to full? Most QI's does it in about 2,5 hours.
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It's always good to over engineer a little bit
What about trickle charging, does the board support it? And how fast is it charging from empty to full? Most QI's does it in about 2,5 hours.
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I am pretty sure all modern Li-Ion batteries in smart phone do not want trickle charge. If you mean by if when it's full, will it stop, the answer is yes. It work just like the ones from google. At least for N4 and N5, the charging is controlled by the phone itself and not the charger. As far as the speed of charging goes, that's a very good question that I have not fully tested on. I will have to try to see what the difference between using a wall charger and a usb port. An initial guess is that It will be about the same behavior like the google ones, which is slower on a usb port.
Would you be willing to build one with a small shelf/lip on the bottom to hold up devices that don't have the metal discs in? Specifically a Note 2? I would be happy to draw up where the wireless charger sits on the back of the device and mail it over.
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Would you be willing to build one with a small shelf/lip on the bottom to hold up devices that don't have the metal discs in? Specifically a Note 2? I would be happy to draw up where the wireless charger sits on the back of the device and mail it over.
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Sounds pretty doable. I can probably design one to work with it if you can provide the correct measurements. Email me a drawing and I can check first if the coil location can work with note 2. Also, any preference what the ledge you want to look like, or it's up to me to design something look nice?
Drop me an email an we'll talk. http://rubin.starset.net/id
this looks awesome!
how is the fone attached to the stand btw??
rollerdyke44 said:
this looks awesome!
how is the fone attached to the stand btw??
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Thank you. It's sort of like miter with rabbet joint with 2 countersunk screws for extra strength.