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Microsoft officially unveiled WinCE7 which is widely believed to be the core of Windows Phone 7. Not only that, but they made a CTP download available. To grab it go to https://connect.microsoft.com/directory/non-feedback, find the "Windows Embedded Compact" product and click apply (it will automatically accept you). This is just a CTP and the product is expected to RTM Q4 of this year.
Hopefully this will help out the WP7 porting/hacking process.
oooh damn 8017 mb lol
thanks for notifying!
Been waiting for this, the headers will have alot of good stuff we need to push WP7 dev up Downloading!
Da_G said:
Been waiting for this, the headers will have alot of good stuff we need to push WP7 dev up Downloading!
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i also saw this earlier and thought it might help porting...
\WINCE700\platform\common\src\common\bldr\inc\bootdownloadbinformat.h appears to contain the structure of a flash.store.bin, but it's the same one i've looked at before, and doesn't match up with the one in the mondrian nbh, argh
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Microsoft officially unveiled WinCE7 which is widely believed to be the core of Windows Phone 7. Not only that, but they made a CTP download available. To grab it go to https://connect.microsoft.com/directory/non-feedback, find the "Windows Embedded Compact" product and click apply (it will automatically accept you). This is just a CTP and the product is expected to RTM Q4 of this year.
Hopefully this will help out the WP7 porting/hacking process.
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I thought WinPh7 was based on WinCE 6.0?
http://www.osnews.com/story/22882/Windows_Phone_7_Series_To_Finally_Bring_CE_6_0_to_Users
joe_coolish said:
I thought WinPh7 was based on WinCE 6.0?
http://www.osnews.com/story/22882/Windows_Phone_7_Series_To_Finally_Bring_CE_6_0_to_Users
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=649911
Get going Da_G, we need it rapidly.
joe_coolish said:
I thought WinPh7 was based on WinCE 6.0?
http://www.osnews.com/story/22882/Windows_Phone_7_Series_To_Finally_Bring_CE_6_0_to_Users
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Indeed, the architecture documents do specifically say CE6.0.
im not progammer but i have this i duno how to use could someone help me ?
Proz00 said:
im not progammer but i have this i duno how to use could someone help me ?
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Try to MS Site, my friend
One thing I noticed after too much poking through this with a fine tooth comb,
The reason the Emulator files were marked ARMv4I Thumb in the PE headers even though they contain x86 code, is that ARMv4I Thumb is a fallback for "unknown" CPU type. I found it peculiar initially because there is a discreet "i386" value. I would guess MS has it marked somewhere as "emulated x86" rather than "i386"
hey
someone success to make NK.bin that work on qemu ?
its give me error
jumping to 0xXXXXXX somthing and halted
We are everyday nearer to the release of WP 7 , may be more leak will surface, cross our finger ... i cant help much, keep going guys...
Unless you are a good programmer, who can build a custom shell, and pick the right windows components to include in a package, there is absolutely ZERO use with this for the public.
It is a bare bones building block version of windows, which you could put on a tablet or smaller device, with a non x86 or x64 processor as well as those two kinds, which you can build your app, or shell ontop of.
Hi. i assume it is not coincidence that ctp was release in july (?) and it took just about those 5 months for wp7 hd2 dft release? and then there is of course this:
http://cotulla.pp.ru/leo/WP7S/IMAG0202.jpg
so this is the starting point hey . I am getting ce7 up along with riff box jtag, ida pro, and few other tools. I may be crazzzy but really want to get this new bldr +- oal +- nk.exe to strap up (onto- ie ce7 as quasi-firmware) a ntoskrnl.exe build.
I have win(nt) source.
Just skimming the news. Anyone know (links please) otherwise than these claims ?
http://www.knowyourcell.com/news/1219326/windows_8_to_be_the_windows_phone_7_apollo_update.html
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Jan 25, 2012
"Renowned blogger and editor of Russian website Mobile-Review has let slip that the Windows 8 update we're looking forward to may actually be codenamed Windows Phone Apollo.
Eldar posted a tweet saying, 'Do u know that windows phone 8 os is special? May be we even dont see word phone here but that's apollo and oct2012'
This was quickly followed by a post stating Windows Phone 7 apps won't be compatible with Windows 8:
'WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level (u need to rewrite all apps). Thats another os core with metro ui...'
Just what is Mutazin suggesting here?
Will we see a separate mobile OS called Windows Phone 8, or will that be Windows Phone 7 - but a newer version?
Also, Nvidia's CEO mentioned last year that Windows Phone 7 apps would work natively on Windows 8.
Although Eldar Murtazin is very often correct with his predictions, he sometimes is way off the mark. We sincerely hope he's wrong about Windows Phone 7 apps not working on Windows 8.
After all, there are very few spectacular ones our there - surely Microsoft wouldn't want to start again?"
If it's better than windows Phone 7 then that would be great, but if it's crapy then no. I can already see disaster with people having to re-write and re-buy apps. I don't know about MS now days, some one over there must be hitting the crack pipe pretty hard.
Eldar is a moron. It has been outright stated by two much more competent sources that wp7 apps would work on windows 8.
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Eldar is a moron. It has been outright stated by two much more competent sources that wp7 apps would work on windows 8.
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Ok, cool, but did you forget the links ?
Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Right here is the NVIDIA link --http://www.winrumors.com/nvidia-ceo-claims-windows-phone-7-apps-will-run-on-windows-8/
(date is obviously old. This new rumour in the OP's post is recent. So can't say if this link still holds the same value)
Morons will be morons.
Think about it this way wp7 marketplace is barely catching up to likes of android and ios. Why do you think any developers would bother redoing the apps for wp8. Paid apps maybe but not free apps so MS would be starting almost from scratch
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Nope, no need to dig from a mobile device. Both Nvidia and a Microsoft rep said that it'd be done. NVIDIA stated it outright, and Microsoft said that you'd be able to exit a game on your phone and pick up where you left off on your windows 8 enabled PC. I am interested in seeing how games with accelerometer controls transition or if that will require further support from the dev. Only time will tell.
Eldar was speaking ill of Mango 4 months before the beta was leaked, he's an analyst, if he's right, he predicted the future. If he's wrong, well he's not a fortune teller, his industry is a joke.
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Thats a big ass dream. Entirely plausible, but very unlikely to come from Microsoft.
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Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
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Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
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Windows Phone 7 development uses XAML from Silver Light. Microsoft is dumping Silver Light. Perhaps Eldar misunderstood and thought they were getting rid of XAML and the development tools of Visual Studio 2010 for Windows Phone 8.
http://everythingexpress.wordpress.com/2011/11/17/news-microsoft-kills-silverlight/
Also, it is possible that the apps will all need to be retargeted and recompiled to take advantage of any OS benefits of Windows Phone 8. This was true of Mango to get the fast resume. All a dev needed to do is upgrade the SDK. Change the target platform in the project. Then rebuild. Done.
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Am I misreading or is everyone else.
NVidia and Microsoft said Windows Phone 7 apps will be natively compatible with Windows 8 the PC OS.
What Eldar is suggesting is "WP8 os isn't compatible with wp7 on app level". Honestly, that would be the most ridiculous move MS could make in the whole WP existence.
That would be so stupid that I refuse to believe it. Unless WP8 had to run WP7 in some kind of sideloaded enviroment and even then why would MS scrap and start over again?
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Hmm....Windows Mobile? Besides its not like they would be losing much by starting over again.
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Hmm....Windows Mobile? Besides its not like they would be losing much by starting over again.
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They'd lose support from the developers of the existing 60k apps for sure. Not allowing WP7 apps to run on WP8 would be suicide. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the development environment change to something closer to Windows 8. I just think we'll see compatibility for WP7 apps as well.
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They'd lose support from the developers of the existing 60k apps for sure. Not allowing WP7 apps to run on WP8 would be suicide. That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see the development environment change to something closer to Windows 8. I just think we'll see compatibility for WP7 apps as well.
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I like the idea jvt put forward up there better.... recompile and carry on. It would on the other hand be a very effective weeding out process to trim down from 50000 redundant /replicative apps to ones that are solid and usable.
Silverlight is .net and the .net libs are platform independent. That means that 90% of your code is reusable either way. The goal is that you can take a shared library that contains your program logic and copy it from your windows pc to your phone without having to recompile or anything. The only thing that then needs rewriting is the user interface lib which must then take advantage of the underlying shared API. Infact it could even be that this is already the case. Either way anything in the future would only require little effort to sort out and if any w8 windows phone convergence happens that does cause incompatability, the mass amount of windows 8 support would be enough to make it neglible.
fed44 said:
Silverlight is .net and the .net libs are platform independent. That means that 90% of your code is reusable either way. The goal is that you can take a shared library that contains your program logic and copy it from your windows pc to your phone without having to recompile or anything. The only thing that then needs rewriting is the user interface lib which must then take advantage of the underlying shared API. Infact it could even be that this is already the case. Either way anything in the future would only require little effort to sort out and if any w8 windows phone convergence happens that does cause incompatability, the mass amount of windows 8 support would be enough to make it neglible.
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Not entirely true. .NET libs are not entirely platform independant. Ever write an app for you phone in C# and try to run it on your PC. Or write it for you PC and run it on your Phone. It doesn't work.
Phones use a compact dot net framework. Windows Phone 8, might supply an updated compact version. This may be incompatible with the previous version, just as the version on Windows Phone 7 is not compatible with the 3.5 version on Windows Mobile 6.5.
In fact, Windows 8 For Tablets is supposed to be getting WinRT.
Here is a negative slanting article, but seems pretty accurate with some exceptions.
http://www.i-programmer.info/profes...3323-windows-phone-7-sunk-by-silverlight.html
I suspect the tablets will also support a dot net compact framework for some time to come.
I've heard from multiple reliable sources at work and through different training companies that Silverlight is done. Development with it is just for phones (for now).
I am hoping they provide some XAML migration, so apps can be easily converted.
Actually, when reading the comments following the video here: http://www.neowin.net/news/former-microsoft-pm-silverlight-is-dead
XAML is coming to C++. With WinRT, C++ and native programming will be in Windows 8 on tablets.
XAML is the mark up language ued by Silverlight. Silverlight uses C#. But, since the programmer uses XAML to define the UI and Silverlight is used to glue it to the C# backend, something else could easily tie the XAML to the backend, so a minimal amount of work would be needed to to rebuild the apps affter Silver Light goes off into the sunset.
What MS meant was Windows 8, not Windows Phone 8. WP8 is, of course, an upgrade of WP7.
They said this because initially they said that crossing apps between windows 8 and phone 8 was possible.
For the folks that though Microsoft might break compatibility for existing apps, a tweet from Brandon Watson
@eldarmurtazin Rewatch Mix11 keynote. We were pretty clear on this. Any app built today will run on next major Windows Phone version.
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Here is the link to the same http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...paign=Feed:+Mobiletechworld+(MobileTechWorld)
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Sigh... Sometimes I just wish Eldar would let his age old hate against MS aside and try digging up some useful information...
He's been such a douché since MS wouldn't let him run the official MS Russia site...
is apollo confirmed as wp7 1gen upgrade ? Or it will be designed for high ends ?
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So the beta was released AFTER the official v1.0? Google: always innovative!
Didn't android used to be called android inc, android was started off by the guys from webtv, Google bought them out.
But the beginnings of android, started way before 2008 and was by webtv..........
Oh yeah just for the sake of it, I spoke to my friend, who has followed webtv since the beginning, and he was a major player in webtv, back in the day, he has a friend at webtv and this info is from him...
This is the guys resume and he is still a player.....just had to voice what I know. not trying to be defeatest, but to say google invented it, is not technically true, there were guys slaving away way before google got their hands on it.
http://www.fadden.com/resume.html
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So the beta was released AFTER the official v1.0? Google: always innovative!
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My mistake. Info fixed!
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Didn't android used to be called android inc, android was started off by the guys from webtv, Google bought them out.
But the beginnings of android, started way before 2008 and was by webtv..........
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I has been in development long before that but user like us did not have access to the OS until late 2007.
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promethieus said:
Didn't android used to be called android inc, android was started off by the guys from webtv, Google bought them out.
But the beginnings of android, started way before 2008 and was by webtv..........
Oh yeah just for the sake of it, I spoke to my friend, who has followed webtv since the beginning, and he was a major player in webtv, back in the day, he has a friend at webtv and this info is from him...
This is the guys resume and he is still a player.....just had to voice what I know. not trying to be defeatest, but to say google invented it, is not technically true, there were guys slaving away way before google got their hands on it.
http://www.fadden.com/resume.html
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I have no knowledge of that inside info. All I know is what google didn't throw dirt over. But this is what this thread is make for so we can all share and learn this OS together. So thanks for this info.
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Android is an open-source software stack for mobile devices that includes an operating system, middleware and key applications. Google Inc. purchased the initial developer of the software, Android Inc., in 2005. Android's mobile operating system is based upon a modified version of the Linux kernel. Google and other members of the Open Handset Alliance collaborated on Android's development and release. The Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is tasked with the maintenance and further development of Android.
Canalys reported that in Q4 2010 the Android operating system was the world's best-selling smartphone platform, dethroning Nokia's Symbian from the 10-year top position. According to Gartner, Symbian is still slightly ahead on sales if some legacy non-Nokia Symbian smartphones are included in the Q4 2010 figures.
Android has a large community of developers writing application programs that extend the functionality of the devices. There are currently over 150,000 apps available for Android. Android Market is the online app store run by Google, though apps can also be downloaded from third-party sites. Developers write primarily in the Java language, controlling the device via Google-developed Java libraries.
The unveiling of the Android distribution on 5 November 2007 was announced with the founding of the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of 79 hardware, software, and telecom companies devoted to advancing open standards for mobile devices. Google released most of the Android code under the Apache License, a free software and open source license.
The Android open-source software stack consists of Java applications running on a Java-based, object-oriented application framework on top of Java core libraries running on a Dalvik virtual machine featuring JIT compilation. Libraries written in C include the surface manager, OpenCore media framework, SQLite relational database management system, OpenGL ES 2.0 3D graphics API, WebKit layout engine, SGL graphics engine, SSL, and Bionic libc. The Android operating system consists of 12 million lines of code including 3 million lines of XML, 2.8 million lines of C, 2.1 million lines of Java, and 1.75 million lines of C++.
History Android, Inc. was founded in Palo Alto, California, United States in October, 2003 by Andy Rubin, Rich Miner, et al. to develop, in Rubin's words "...smarter mobile devices that are more aware of its owner's location and preferences." Other early key employees include Andy McFadden, who worked with Rubin at WebTV, and Chris White, who led the design and interface of WebTV, before helping to found Android.
Rubin, a co-founder of Danger Inc., Miner, a co-founder of Wildfire Communications, Inc. and former vice-president of Technology and innovation at Orange, and the other early employees brought considerable wireless industry experience to the company. Despite the obvious past accomplishments of the founders and early employees, Android Inc. operated secretively, admitting only that it was working on software for mobile phones.
Google acquired Android Inc. in August, 2005, making Android Inc. a wholly-owned subsidiary of Google Inc. Key employees of Android Inc., including Andy Rubin, Rich Miner and Chris White, stayed at the company after the acquisition.
At the time of the acquisition, because little was known about the work of Android Inc., some guessed that Google was planning to enter the mobile phone market.
At Google, the team led by Rubin developed a mobile device platform powered by the Linux kernel. Google marketed the platform to handset makers and carriers on the premise of providing a flexible, upgradable system. Google had lined up a series of hardware component and software partners and signaled to carriers that it was open to various degrees of cooperation on their part.
Speculation about Google's intention to enter the mobile communications market continued to build through December 2006. Reports from the BBC and The Wall Street Journal noted that Google wanted its search and applications on mobile phones and it was working hard to deliver that. Print and online media outlets soon reported rumors that Google was developing a Google-branded handset. Some speculated that as Google was defining technical specifications, it was showing prototypes to cell phone manufacturers and network operators. In September 2007, InformationWeek covered an Evalueserve study reporting that Google had filed several patent applications in the area of mobile telephony.
On the November 5, 2007 the Open Handset Alliance, a consortium of several companies which include Texas Instruments, Broadcom Corporation, Google, HTC, Intel, LG, Marvell Technology Group, Motorola, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Samsung Electronics, Sprint Nextel and T-Mobile unveiled itself. The goal of the Open Handset Alliance is to develop open standards for mobile devices. On the same day, the Open Handset Alliance also unveiled their first product, Android, a mobile device platform built on the Linux kernel version 2.6. On December 9, 2008, 14 new members joined, including PacketVideo, ARM Holdings, Atheros Communications, Asustek Computer Inc, Garmin Ltd, Softbank, Sony Ericsson, Toshiba Corp, and Vodafone Group Plc.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2585779/android-history
All you need to know on the history of android OS.
It's a good read and the videos are nice to see the differences between releases. It really has developed since it's inception.
But your post says android began in 2008, which is Not the case, I will let you carry on with this on your own, you can not just omit the beginnings as they were the initial spark, dedication, make and break, times and the info I have given you is the real information. Good luck.
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But your post says android began in 2008, which is Not the case, I will let you carry on with this on your own, you can not just omit the beginnings as they were the initial spark, dedication, make and break, times and the info I have given you is the real information. Good luck.
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No it's say 2007. I'm sure Android sparked long b4 that but unless their is proof of that to be true I can't post it.
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By began do you mean the release date or something like that?
Because if you mean the actual "birth date" then it is at least a few years before 2007. It takes a long time to build an OS
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I've never used it but heard good things about it from a co-worker.
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Free $60 software for running Windows apps or games on your Mac (or supposedly Linux).
I've never used it but heard good things about it from a co-worker.
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Codeweavers product uses a customized version of W.I.N.E.(Wine is not an emulator) which simplifies using the WINE package for running Windows programs and games under Linux/MAC. If you are good at configuring and debugging errors, you can just use WINE for free and get the same results.
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How you guys enjoying upside-down camera in Skype app (after latest update)? :laugh:
Are you still waiting for "WP internals 2.2"? Are you necromancers (or necrophils)? :laugh:
So, trust me (to a man who has and used WP much earlier than you heard about it), WP/W10M platform is almost dead, and damn M$ do everything to kill it (even hardware isn't too outdated). Best we can do, is to sell these damn handsets on eBay (while they cost at least a few bucks). I predict, this summer you'll not be able to sell L-950/Xl even for a $50!
Will be glad to hear any real-life arguments about latest M$ "bugdate"... BTW, if you really enjoy upside-down camera in Skype - please do not reply...
As i said in reddit, gonna quote myself.
The Microsoft CEO has no clue on what to do. Maybe Satya has some aces up his sleeve but at this point i serously doubt it. Like when you are watching The voice and you're waiting for Jesus Christ to come down and blow your head off... but Jesus Christ doesn't come.
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Still happy for what my Lumia is....just a companion
The death of platform forced me (a complete Windows user without any other platform) to use my laptop most of times. For example, using Word for college work and some websites like my college one dosen't load properly on my Lumia 730. That times, when most of my friends use their phones for those tasks, I take out my trusty laptop. Even for Spotify, I hate the Mobile app but the desktop app and web works fine. So for me, the phone is just a companion not more than that at all, like others who use phones and iPads for little work.
Waiting for Surface Phone to change that and I want it to be more productive than Android/iOS.
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this is zambi
not dead
i hope my 950XL works one year more no (big) problems, camera is excellent...
btw... is easy to get back to AU and have less problems
dxdy said:
i hope my 950XL works one year more no (big) problems, camera is excellent...
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I thought so but looks like M$ have a different plan Skype is a primary functionality (at least for me). What bug we should expect next? Impossibility to make phone calls or send SMS?
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btw... is easy to get back to AU and have less problems
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This will not solve Skype issue. And w/o updates many apps become non-working...
But the worst news is: this showstopper means - there is ABSOLUTELY NO QUALITY ASSURANCE for releases, nobody at M$ testing/care about W10M releases! What if student-intern or outsourced contractor from Bangalore, India will add a rootkit/troyan/malicious code to the next release?!
W10M become very dangerous OS, it's not safe to use it anymore...
No, it isn't dead. In fact, Microsoft released the new build 15254.158 a few days ago.
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No, it isn't dead. In fact, Microsoft released the new build 15254.158 a few days ago.
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That's a security patch... meltdown protection and other stuff... It's not like a new version of the os with features.
Sensoboston, i wat to buy your 950 xl. Detail on PM.
@augustinionut, I don't have XL. 950 only. And I'll sell 'em (we have 2) on eBay only.
I have no skype problems.
I just turned my head upside down
I suggest to the moderator of this forum, to close this thread, because it's useless and misleading. W10M is still supported and updated!
If you don't like W10M anymore, just don't use it!
mikevespa said:
I suggest to the moderator of this forum, to close this thread, because it's useless and misleading. W10M is still supported and updated!
If you don't like W10M anymore, just don't use it!
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No reason to close the thread honestly, if you have evidence that it is supported and updated, then post up and let's get a real conversation going. Prove the OP wrong and let's see what MS is doing that you like, or could do better.
We can keep an eye out but I haven't seen anything in this thread that would warrant it being closed.
Windows 10 Mobile really IS more dead than alive.
If I remember correctly MS promised to backport new APIs to W10M, so it could use new or updated UWP apps. This seems like just another broken promise.
As Microsoft has removed Windows 10 Mobile from the Windows 10 SDK, this is the last nail in the coffin.
"Without presence of Mobile in the SDK, no new apps can be developed, and developers can’t update their apps anymore."
"As PC moves on, Mobile has got stuck on Redstone 2. So if a developer wants to update his UWP app, he has to split it into two versions, one for Mobile and the other for rest."
"Microsoft has already stopped updating many of their apps, and it is a matter of time before other developers follow suit."
Source: https://www.windowslatest.com/2017/12/29/mentions-windows-10-mobile-removed-windows-10-sdk/
The PRODUCT_MOBILE_CORE definition is no longer needed because the core is the same and shared among PC, mobile, XBOX, HoloLens and IoT
mikevespa said:
The PRODUCT_MOBILE_CORE definition is no longer needed because the core is the same and shared among PC, mobile, XBOX, HoloLens and IoT
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DECEMBER 2015 - Build 11082
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2015/12/16/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-11082/
This includes the changes that have also been going out as cumulative updates through Windows Update on your PCs running the Windows 10 November Update as well as on phones running Windows 10 too. We’re also working on some structural improvements to OneCore, which is the shared core of Windows across devices. Essentially, OneCore is the heart of Windows, and these improvements to OneCore make building Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, Hololens and Xbox more efficient. We’re doing some code refactoring and other engineering work to make sure OneCore is optimally structured for teams to start checking in new features and improvements in the new year."
JANUARY 2016 - Build 11099
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ncing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-11099/
"this build does not include big noticeable changes or new features yet. Our focus through the holidays was on structural improvements to OneCore, which is the shared core of Windows across devices. The code refactoring and other engineering work we’ve been doing to optimize OneCore is nearing the point where we will be ready for teams to begin checking in new features and improvements. It will still be a few builds before any really noticeable changes show up, depending on when teams begin lighting up new features in their areas. We’re excited for Insiders to use this build to validate the work we’ve been doing to OneCore, so give this build a try and let us know of any issues you run into via the Windows Feedback app."
AUGUST 2016 - Anniversary Update
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...indows-10-insider-preview-build-14901-for-pc/
"We are focusing on making some structural improvements to OneCore which is the shared “heart” of Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, Hololens and Xbox. We’re doing some code refactoring and other engineering work to make sure OneCore is optimally structured for teams to start checking in new features and improvements in a few months. As a result, these builds may include more bugs and other issues that could be slightly more painful for some people to live with"
APRIL 2017
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...er-preview-build-16176-pc-build-15204-mobile/
"We are also releasing Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 15204 to Insiders in the Fast ring. As we release new builds from our Development Branch for PC, we will also be doing the same for Windows 10 Mobile just like we have been in the past. However, Windows Insiders will likely notice some minor differences. The biggest difference being that the build number and branch won’t match the builds we will be releasing for PC. This is a result of more work we’re doing to converge code into OneCore – the heart of Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, HoloLens, Xbox and more as we continue to develop new improvements for Windows 10 Mobile and our enterprise customers."
mikevespa said:
APRIL 2017
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexp...-15204-mobile/
"We are also releasing Windows 10 Mobile Insider Preview Build 15204 to Insiders in the Fast ring. As we release new builds from our Development Branch for PC, we will also be doing the same for Windows 10 Mobile just like we have been in the past. However, Windows Insiders will likely notice some minor differences. The biggest difference being that the build number and branch won’t match the builds we will be releasing for PC.
This is a result of more work we’re doing to converge code into OneCore – the heart of Windows across PC, tablet, phone, IoT, HoloLens, Xbox and more as we continue to develop new improvements for Windows 10 Mobile and our enterprise customers."
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Your info is from when Windows Mobile 10 was pulled out of Windows 10 "main" branch with the "feature2" branch and was basically frozen at Redstone 2. Which of course means that any further development and improvements of OneCore from there on will never reach W10M. Just like other parts of the OS will never get updated, W10M is stuck with Edge version 40 and won't get any new Cortana features.
W10M has not been part of the OneCore development since it was left behind in "feature2".
That's the reason why Microsoft said they would backport some APIs from Redstone 3 (Fall Creators Update) and Redstone 4 to W10M "feature2" / Redstone 2. But the question now is if they changed their minds, when they are already removing W10M from the Windows 10 SDK.
BTW, the "PRODUCT_MOBILE_CORE" definition has nothing to do with OneCore / Windows kernel. It's a definition in the GetProductInfo function which tells a program which product type of Windows it's running on. "_CORE" in this case is just used for basic / consumer editions, like "PRODUCT_CORE" is used for Windows 10 Home and "PRODUCT_PROFESSIONAL" is used for Windows 10 Pro. There even was a "PRODUCT_MOBILE_ENTERPRISE" for Windows 10 Mobile Enterprise.
sensboston said:
How you guys enjoying upside-down camera in Skype app (after latest update)? :laugh:
Are you still waiting for "WP internals 2.2"? Are you necromancers (or necrophils)? :laugh:
So, trust me (to a man who has and used WP much earlier than you heard about it), WP/W10M platform is almost dead, and damn M$ do everything to kill it (even hardware isn't too outdated). Best we can do, is to sell these damn handsets on eBay (while they cost at least a few bucks). I predict, this summer you'll not be able to sell L-950/Xl even for a $50!
Will be glad to hear any real-life arguments about latest M$ "bugdate"... BTW, if you really enjoy upside-down camera in Skype - please do not reply...
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It is in ones perspective.
From a consumer standpoint the Devices dropped off and the OS is crawling along instead of running with the other builds like before. Unfortunately W10M is heading to a dead end. Fortunately for me it has no bearing either way. My phone calls still work, email, data, wifi etc. No need to move to something else, or declare my device obsolete. Ya Microsoft is not officially supporting W10M with no builds and features, but it is still supported with patches and such. For me to have a 4 year old device (in some cases) still running the latest and greatest Microsoft has to offer is fine by me. We all have different needs. If it aint working for you then it is fine to find what you need that does work. I personally really enjoy the basic functionality out of the box of the Lumias. Plus it is easy and cheap to find parts if something fixable on them breaks
From a developer standpoint, I bet this feels like a shot in the foot though from Microsoft in some ways. They basically drove off all their developers by not pushing out newer mobile devices or ways to make the Windows OS stick on phones. But maybe that was their plan since 2015...That is the way I see it anyway
nate0 said:
My phone calls still work, email, data, wifi etc.
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But what do you do with a Skype, may I ask you? Do you do acrobatic stunts and meet other people via Skype on your head?
I believe, my 9 yo "dumb phone" from Motorola still can receive phone calls, emails etc. (but I never tried since 2010) if I'll find working and active "big" SIM-card. But this definitely not a point! My point is: Lumia 950 (handset costs me about $650 - via 2 years contract extension with AT&T) become unusable for most common tasks. I can't use Skype, I can't control quadcopter with it, I can't even unlock a bicycle from VBikes company! And can't do a lot of other things...
And, finally, I'm really tired from the usual L-950 customers "prayer": "But the camera is outstanding!" No, sir, nothing outstanding for the current times.