What is the exwct meaning and significance of S-OF AND S-OFF device
I frequently came to read this terms so i wanna know what exectly it is...plz help
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S-ON is pretty much a locked bootloader. Some things are restricted.y.
S-OFF means you have complete control of the phone. Security off. Do whatever you want from whatever mode you want.
S-OFF means "security off" and that the NAND partition of the device is unlocked and writable to. With S-OFF you could easily flash kernels and recoveries directly on phone without a PC.
S-ON restricts partitions and thus prevents us from writing to e.g. boot partition. You are always able write boot with an unlocked bootloader and a PC if you want.
No S-OFF for One X at the moment.
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As the topic says, whats the difference on hvaing s-off and s-on?
I had a rooted Wildfire and never had S-off on it.
Do i gain anything by S-off my desire?
If you don't know what it's for then you don't need it...but it basically gives you FULL root access to the /system partition
S-OFF makes it so you're not dependant on booting into recovery every single time you edit something in /system
Makes life easier.
Most phones until very recently when you have root it automatically has given you full root. On the desire (and probably all new htc android phones) they have added an extra layer of security that locks the nand while in use. This stops us being able to use things like Fastboot, and adb to edit /system files while booted.
Luckily we always had partial root and could do most things when in a custom recovery.
Now with S-Off or Security Off we can have full access like what a normal root on most phones enables.
So technically your wildfire does not have s-off because it was never s-on in the first place.
Lennyuk said:
Most phones until very recently when you have root it automatically has given you full root. On the desire (and probably all new htc android phones) they have added an extra layer of security that locks the nand while in use. This stops us being able to use things like Fastboot, and adb to edit /system files while booted.
Luckily we always had partial root and could do most things when in a custom recovery.
Now with S-Off or Security Off we can have full access like what a normal root on most phones enables.
So technically your wildfire does not have s-off because it was never s-on in the first place.
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In bootloader on my Wildfire:
BUZZ PVT SHIP S-ON
CrimzonEyed said:
In bootloader on my Wildfire:
BUZZ PVT SHIP S-ON
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+1 alpharev are working on a modified bootloader for the buzz, i rooted and flashed my brothers wildfire yesterday, although rom development looked a bit thin on the ground to me lol as far as i know all htc's come with a security locked bootloader, even back in the days of win mo, we needed hard spl, which was just an unlocked bootloader
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Hi,
My desire is currently s-off, and is normally left as s-off. I dont change back to s-on when I use the phone normally. Should I?
I guess that there is a potential risk all the time that s-off is set, but is this a real risk in reality if the phone is being used normally?
Also I dont use the stock partion tables (I normally use cm r2). Is it possible to apply s-on to non stock partition.
zaphodbeeb said:
Hi,
My desire is currently s-off, and is normally left as s-off. I dont change back to s-on when I use the phone normally. Should I?
I guess that there is a potential risk all the time that s-off is set, but is this a real risk in reality if the phone is being used normally?
Also I dont use the stock partion tables (I normally use cm r2). Is it possible to apply s-on to non stock partition.
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If it's not broken, don't fix it. The only way to restore S-ON is by flashing the stock hboot via PB99IMG.zip, which also restores the stock partitions, so leave it alone.
My HBOOT presently outputs:
*** LOCKED (OOW) ***
MARVELC EVT1 SHIP S-OFF RL
HBOOT-1.09.0000
MICROP-0354
RADIO-09.00.0824
Dec 21 2011, 12:14:03
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I used the HTCDEV unlock to unlock until I found the GoldCard S-OFF method to S-OFF and S-OFF, as we all know > Unlocked bootloader. I used theq86's tool to relock to the original state.
My first question is: what does the "OOW" mean? I have that it means "Out of Warranty" and that it means absolutely nothing.
My second question is: can I downgrade to my original HBOOT? I do not the remember the version, but I'm sure someone out there knows.
My third question: if I downgrade HBOOT, will I lose S-OFF? It's no big deal if I do, I just want to have my GoldCard ready.
Fourth: If I downgrade to the original HBOOT will it still report "LOCKED (OOW)" or will it just say "LOCKED" and does that have any benefit over "LOCKED (OOW)" (I have heard that it does when sending the phone back to HTC.
I simply want my phone to look as stock as possible (with the exception of my ROM, which can easily be stocked) in case it needs to be sent to HTC.
kalaker said:
My HBOOT presently outputs:
I used the HTCDEV unlock to unlock until I found the GoldCard S-OFF method to S-OFF and S-OFF, as we all know > Unlocked bootloader. I used theq86's tool to relock to the original state.
My first question is: what does the "OOW" mean? I have that it means "Out of Warranty" and that it means absolutely nothing.
It is not confirmed, but it seems to be Out Of Warranty because if you flash this bootloader HTC will reject warranty
My second question is: can I downgrade to my original HBOOT? I do not the remember the version, but I'm sure someone out there knows.
Yes, you can. Use my tool again and choose the third option "superversion"
Afterwards flash a STOCK RUU and hboot will be downgraded as well.
My third question: if I downgrade HBOOT, will I lose S-OFF? It's no big deal if I do, I just want to have my GoldCard ready.
I don't know, but S-OFFing again is no problem if it really goes away.
Fourth: If I downgrade to the original HBOOT will it still report "LOCKED (OOW)" or will it just say "LOCKED" and does that have any benefit over "LOCKED (OOW)" (I have heard that it does when sending the phone back to HTC.
If you downgrade HBOOT it will neither show LOCKED, RELOCKED or UNLOCKED because the standard hboots do not check this.
I simply want my phone to look as stock as possible (with the exception of my ROM, which can easily be stocked) in case it needs to be sent to HTC.
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10 chars. my answers in red.
When you say to flash a stock RUU do you mean one of the ones from HTC Dev or elsewhere? Can you provide a link. If it would help, I have a marvelc with Virgin Mobile US.
In the dev section there is a thread where many many stock rom RUUs are. so take a look at there. it's one of the sticky posts.
To downgrade your bootloader, since your s-off just take the ruu with the bootloader of your choice. Extract the rom.zip. open it up and you will find a file called bootloader or hboot or something to that effect. Take that file and the android update.txt file. Zip them both up and rename it pg76img.zip
Put it in the root if your sdcard and boot into hboot. The phone will find the update and just flash it. Done
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Is there a specific ROM I should be running? Using simonsimon34's CM7 port and with my PC running Windows 8 Consumer Preview (with HTC Drivers) I am told that the RUU utility is unable to find the Android phone.
Do I need a ROM with HTC Sync?
Which method are you trying?
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I'm just trying to run the RUU.exe.
EDIT: I installed Vista and so far it appears to work. I'm going to wait until later to actually go all the way through. (I just went far enough for it to verify my "PDA phone".)
Might just have been your win 8 pal.
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May I know if One X is able to be S-OFF, is it mean that even the bootloader status is locked and we still can root and flash custom rom? How it different with unlock bootloader using HTCDev? sry for noob question..
No you need to be unlocked to root and flash custom roms. As of now HTCDev is the only method to allow unlocking.
Simple method. We don't know when Revolutionary will release their tool.
S-ON + LOCKED = You can only use official HTC firmware and only for the specific branded version you have.
S-ON + UNLOCKED = You unlocked it via htcdev. You're able to change the system and recovery images to allow for custom firmware. You can't alter anything regarding the baseband aka cell radio. HTC know you unlock via htcdev as they make you enter your serial number and other details to generate a phone specific unlock token. This will affect your warranty as any software caused faults are your own problem. General hardware warranty is still the same.
S-ON + RELOCKED = You relocked it after unlocking via htcdev. Same as S-ON + LOCKED except it shows you relocked.
S-OFF = No restrictions at all by the bootloader. You can alter everything. HTC don't let you do this and you need somebody else to work out a flaw in the bootloader to do it. Technically this voids your warranty as well but if you relock and don't leave any evidence that you did so then HTC won't know.
ken-ywk said:
May I know if One X is able to be S-OFF, is it mean that even the bootloader status is locked and we still can root and flash custom rom? How it different with unlock bootloader using HTCDev? sry for noob question..
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No one knows about S-off.
It doesn't mean we can root and flash custom roms even on the locked bootloader. It was a different and unofficial way of unlocking the bootloader which can be locked again when we need.
We can do the same thing even in this HTC dev method, I mean locking the bootloader, but after that the status of the bootloader will be RELOCKED not locked. That means HTC people may know that our device is already unlocked before.
One more thing (which I heard and I am not sure), we can't flash ported roms on our device unless and until we have S-off.
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Hi ,
I unlocked many new devices and now i get an M8 device with HTC dev unlock.
My last HTC was a desire s, so iam not up to date with HTC at the moment.
If i know a way to flash an unlocked hboot.img to mmcblk0p11 can i get troubles with THW phone?
HTC sells soff full unlocked devices, if i flash this partition to my device and Boot to bootloader and change then my cid must the m8 work normaly,right?
I want flash it not with the board HTC methode, but direct partition to partition.
If someone tried this vor can give me infos that wäre nice.
THX for help
Can't be done. Only way to get S-OFF is to use Sunshine
i dont think so.
Tried it with my desire x. Rootet and s-on. but for this device i had an hboot image from the same cid model.
What do you mean with that cant be done?
That its not possible because HTC security mechanism give me info like "is not possible because of..." or you mean the flash goes well but after that flash the device make trouble?
THX for help
Without S-OFF you have no access to any other partitions other than those required to flash a new ROM
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EddyOS said:
Without S-OFF you have no access to any other partitions other than those required to flash a new ROM
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Thats not right in all. Some ways are always there. I have made a backup of every partition from the M8 now.
I could flash it with a little trick, get no error message but i try it first with my old Sensation XE. Iam loooking for a Hboot right now for the XE and then i trust me to give the M8 a shot.
I will post what is happening
But you can't write the data back onto the phone without S-OFF