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So, I'm eligible for an upgrade through Verizon, and as much as I love my Incredible, I'm hoping to get something with a little more power to it....which leads me to a few questions that hopefully folks can help me out with.
Just to add a little more info that may help: I'm currently in school for game design and I plan on developing a few mobile games...be it Android, IOS, or Windows Phone 7 based, I'm not only looking for a phone that I can keep for a long time without upgrading, but also one that has a lot of potential for gaming.
First, I know that if anything were to happen to my Incredible, the likelihood that I would get a replacement is very slim, and I would have to get an Incredible 2....with that in mind, does anyone know of a way that I would be able to keep my Incredible AND get upgraded to the Incredible 2 without destroying my Incredible? Just in case I hate the Incredible 2.
Second, any suggestions on a good dual core phone with as much developer support as there is with the Incredible?
Third, should I wait until after CES, to see if HTC...or anyone releases something worth waiting a few months for?
And finally....given that I'm going through game design, should I look at changing to an iPhone or Windows Phone 7 platform for versatility in development?
I may be wrong about this, but I think you keep your old phone when you upgrade. You own it, bought and paid for with the higher service rates that come with the 2 year contract.
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Hanger84 said:
First, I know that if anything were to happen to my Incredible, the likelihood that I would get a replacement is very slim, and I would have to get an Incredible 2....with that in mind, does anyone know of a way that I would be able to keep my Incredible AND get upgraded to the Incredible 2 without destroying my Incredible? Just in case I hate the Incredible 2.
Second, any suggestions on a good dual core phone with as much developer support as there is with the Incredible?
Third, should I wait until after CES, to see if HTC...or anyone releases something worth waiting a few months for?
And finally....given that I'm going through game design, should I look at changing to an iPhone or Windows Phone 7 platform for versatility in development?
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1) You keep your old phone each time you upgrade.
2) Dual core phones with awesome dev support on Verizon are limited to the Nexus and Rezound at that moment. Either is a good choice however I've seen users mention the Rezound has a more advantageous gpu, I don't have either so I don't know how true this is.
3) If you aren't in a rush, I'd wait for CES or even MWC 2012 and see the new stuff. However, this involves waiting until late spring for these phones to come out. Patience is key.
4) As for your OS preferences, it helps to be diverse. Why limit yourself to one platform? The wider your scope, the more consumers you can reach.
Thank you SlimSnoopOS for your suggestion on phones. I checked out both phones, and both have advantages and it's very difficult to pick between them. I like that the Nexus has the NFC, ICS, slightly bigger screen, and HD. But on the other hand, I'm a big fan of HTC, a lot of Incredible devs are working on the Rezound, and the better front and back cameras are even more tempting in some ways.
Kinda leaning towards the Rezound right now, but I think I'll wait to see what comes out of CES this year.
I think the only thing that would really put a nail in the decision, is if Wildstang or Jermain gets one or the other...then that pretty much seals the deal for me lol
Been half tempted to get an iPhone to play around with and see what all the fuss is about. Specially since I have a Macbook Pro, and a lot of my fellow game dev friends are working primarily on IOS.
Well pm Wildstang and Jermaine151 and see what they're moving to. It will be a good decision whatever you decide to purchase and develop for.
I have an iphone 4 and an incrediblle. The 2 big advantages are battery life and apps. I can run all day with my iphone and have 80% at the end of the day. I also have an ipad and a nook tablet and think the ipad is over rated. Just my 3 cents for what it's worth.
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I have been looking at the iphone because of the games that are available. I am a huge board gamer and the apple store has loads of board games.
Although, I could never leave android after being with it for so long.
I had Window's phone for a long time and went to Android a few years back. Part of me still wants to play with a Window's phone. I can not renew for another year. For the first time I am thinking of buying a used phone.
I just can not spend a lot of a phone. I am wondering what is a good entry level used phone for a Window's phone?
Thanks for any help.
Any HTC. Samsungs have problems with proximity sensor, it keeps freezing and you need to remove the battery to reset.
Seriously, if you can, buy a Lumia. I had a HTC Trophy 7 since January/2011, and bought a Lumia 800 last month. (before WP, I had an Android, and was the best thing I've done)
Never had LG, but LG is not the core of smartphones, so I wouldnt risk.
I've gone from iOS (back in '09) to Windows Mobile to Android to Windows phone and in a week or two I'll be back to Android. You say you've had a windows phone before, so I assume you know the advantages and disadvantages. For low end, just about any Windows phone is preferable (since they all perform generally well). But the high end phone it becomes arguable (Lumia 900 vs Galaxy Nexus for example). But I digress.
Within wp7 the two top seem to be the Lumia series and the titans (I & II). I agree with mikeeam, if you can then get a Lumia. I have an 800 right now and it's definitely has some of the best external hardware (casing, build etc) I've ever had on a device. The only reason I'm getting rid of mine is because I've gotten too accustomed to the Google benefits (had a Galaxy Nexus....lost it on a vacation).
If the 800 is too much for you, the 710 seems pretty good too (if you're on tmobile). Honestly, I'd just wait a month or so. With the 900 coming out, the 800 should decrease in price as there'll be less of a demand for it.
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I had Window's phone for a long time and went to Android a few years back. Part of me still wants to play with a Window's phone. I can not renew for another year. For the first time I am thinking of buying a used phone.
I just can not spend a lot of a phone. I am wondering what is a good entry level used phone for a Window's phone?
Thanks for any help.
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I got out of the contract game and have not look back since. Last year I bought a use LG Quantum because i like to have a keyboard and have been happy with it.
Well, he did say he's on a budget,so I'd recommend a HTC HD 2 , simply as it can run both OS 's and has a reasonable spec. Also I guess its worth mentioning it has a large Dev community.
But as said before if you can afford it get a HTC Titan / HTC sensation XL for examctly the same reasons as said before, just see how far your budget can stretch
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Well, he did say he's on a budget,so I'd recommend a HTC HD 2 , simply as it can run both OS 's and has a reasonable spec. Also I guess its worth mentioning it has a large Dev community.
But as said before if you can afford it get a HTC Titan / HTC sensation XL for examctly the same reasons as said before, just see how far your budget can stretch
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Yeah, and be stuck with Android 2.x and Windows Phone Mango forever? I wouldnt take that.
Anyway, OS gets at the taste. Some prefer iOS, other Android, me WP. Having tried all of them. So is hard to recommend and not be biased.
Samsung Focus.
Its an AT&T phone, so if you aren't on AT&T then I retract. But for used phones, thats the best bang for your buck you can get. Screen is great, performance is fluid, call quality is good, and never had any issues with proximity sensors ect.
I am on ATT. Thank you so much for all the Idea's so far.
HTC HD7S should be able to find one on eBay for around $200
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I am on ATT. Thank you so much for all the Idea's so far.
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If you can live with a Contract with AT&T... The Lumina 900 (the claimed Flagship WP7 device as if right now) will be $99 with a 2 year.... around the 9th, not even out yet.
Very sexy phone tho....
One thing to note: if you're used to the unlocakability of WinMo and Android, avoid the Lumias and Titans for now. Currently, there's no known interop-unlock hacks for them, which means no way to install high-privilege homebrew (or more than 10 homebrew apps at once) and no bootloader unlock (which means no way to install custom ROMs, which come with lots of cool features and full unlocks).
The most advanced phones that currently support high-privilege homebrew apps are the Samsung gen2 phones (Focus S and Omnia W/Focus Flash). With them, you can use WindowBreak followed by WP7 Root Tools to get very nearly full unlock. The same goes for Samsung gen1. Any gen1 HTC phone will also work, as will the Verizon Trophy (although I see no reason to get a CDMA phone, even if it does also have GSM support, if you're on AT&T), but the unlock process may be a little harder. LG phones are also supported, and are very easy to unlock (built-in registry editor, LOL).
For custom ROMs, gen1 and gen1.5 HTC are supported, as are gen1 Samsung. If you like big screens and lots of built-in storage, the HTC HD7S is the best of these phones. If you like expandable storage and AMOLED screens, the Samsung Focus is the best bet.
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One thing to note: if you're used to the unlocakability of WinMo and Android, avoid the Lumias and Titans for now. Currently, there's no known interop-unlock hacks for them, which means no way to install high-privilege homebrew (or more than 10 homebrew apps at once) and no bootloader unlock (which means no way to install custom ROMs, which come with lots of cool features and full unlocks).
The most advanced phones that currently support high-privilege homebrew apps are the Samsung gen2 phones (Focus S and Omnia W/Focus Flash). With them, you can use WindowBreak followed by WP7 Root Tools to get very nearly full unlock. The same goes for Samsung gen1. Any gen1 HTC phone will also work, as will the Verizon Trophy (although I see no reason to get a CDMA phone, even if it does also have GSM support, if you're on AT&T), but the unlock process may be a little harder. LG phones are also supported, and are very easy to unlock (built-in registry editor, LOL).
For custom ROMs, gen1 and gen1.5 HTC are supported, as are gen1 Samsung. If you like big screens and lots of built-in storage, the HTC HD7S is the best of these phones. If you like expandable storage and AMOLED screens, the Samsung Focus is the best bet.
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I have an HTC Arrive on Sprint. Is it totally unhackable? I'd like to play around more with it but haven't heard much on XDA even if reviews on it have usually been good.
The Arrive is an HTC gen1.5 phone. It doesn't support the current Interop Unlock hacks, because it can't run Connection Setup (only GSM phones can). However, its bootloader can be unlocked, and you can then install custom ROMs with extra features and full unlocks.
Check the dev&hacking sub-forum for "HSPL" and you'll find the bootloader unlock. You then need to download a custom ROM, which should be available in the 7 Pro / "GOLD" section of the forum. Note that the Arrive is, I believe, internally called "Gold C"; don't try flashing a ROM for a standard 7 Pro as it won't work on the CDMA phone.
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The Arrive is an HTC gen1.5 phone. It doesn't support the current Interop Unlock hacks, because it can't run Connection Setup (only GSM phones can). However, its bootloader can be unlocked, and you can then install custom ROMs with extra features and full unlocks.
Check the dev&hacking sub-forum for "HSPL" and you'll find the bootloader unlock. You then need to download a custom ROM, which should be available in the 7 Pro / "GOLD" section of the forum. Note that the Arrive is, I believe, internally called "Gold C"; don't try flashing a ROM for a standard 7 Pro as it won't work on the CDMA phone.
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Thanks! I'll give that a shot. Hopefully I don't brick my phone somehow.
Read the instructions and warnings *very* carefully, but lots of other people have managed...
I've had an HTC Arrive on Sprint since it came out last March, it is a fantastic phone even if it is a 1st generation hardware device. I have also had a Samsung Focus on T-Mobile that I use as a backup device when I travel... the screen on it is amazing, the Focus S is even better.
I just ordered the Lumia 900 and am making the switch to AT&T, needless to say I obviously love WP7.
I would suggest the Lumia 710 if you can find in US.
In UK this is available for around £150 which makes it an excellent buy for people wanting to try WP7.
The Lumia 710 is available through T-Mobile in the US. If you live close to one, you can also find it in the Microsoft stores. TMo is generally very accommodating of getting a phone without a contract or possibly without a data plan (if you want that), something which can be difficult to do on other US carriers.
Go with the Nokia Lumia 710, its a brilliant device, and when it comes to windows phones the only real difference you are paying for is a few manufacturer apps and the physical hardware. I personally just picked up a 710 for $170 brand new! If you're looking for AT&T Bands you could buy a brand new one off of the Rogers Wireless site for $229.99 off contract. Definitely a good buy. Came with headphones too, couldn't say the same for my GS2 or my Amaze 4G.
Not to mention the Nokia Drive and Nokia Maps integration is fantastic and allows for the full downloading of continental maps for use in navigation without running up your data plan, all the while giving you unbelievable navigation.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/
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http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/17/windows-phone-8-available-all-devices/
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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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uh huh, food for thought. Now if this was android...
The Verge is claiming a source close to Microsoft says that this is wrong. I'm really hoping Microsoft makes some announcement before my return window runs out...
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PaullikesWINMO said:
Makes you wonder if Microsoft implemented the hardware criteria long ago for a reason. I think they've known what they wanted to do and where they are going to go for a long time already. Can't run latest OS from Apple on first gen iphones, and same for Ice Cream Sandwich for Google. Now is Microsoft bringing tremedous value to the consumer? Absolutely. If this is true then it's great news for those people that adopted early or those that bought used first gen phones.
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Here you go...
http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade
Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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I agree, Lumia (and any other Windows Phone for that matter) is fast running WP7.5... who knows what it will be like running WP8, though. I'm sure the OS will still be incredibly efficient compared to other OS's, but apps are going to continue to grow more complex and new features are going to be added which will be more resource-needy. Could you imagine the tax on resources if they release those rumored Kinect Phones?!
Additionally those new Krait chips (Snapdragon S4) add more than just dual-core capabilities. They add better camera support (up to 3 20mp cameras), 7.1 Dolby sound, latest wifi and bluetooth radios, HD displays and recording, better memory and power management (i.e. longer battery life), improved GPUs. The list goes on and on. And yes, the ClearBlack display is beautiful, but why not throw that tech behind an HD screen? WP8 will open the door to so many new things, but not if you're still carrying around your HTC HD2 with DFT hacks
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Even if it is true, I'm still going to want to buy a new device to take advantage of the NFC and dual-core capabilities and better screen resolution that only a hardware refresh will bring.
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exactly. Saving my hardware update for that.
I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.
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If someone can port the new updates on our device unofficially via an custom rom, then we shouldn't worry abt it.
I dont think I need dual core in my Lumia as its already so effing fast and do everything with ease. Android phones needs dual core and quad core because the way OS executes the thread it need powerful processors. I used Galaxy Note before this phone...I would take Lumia screen over Galaxy Note screen anytime, I know technically Note has better screen specification wise..but Lumia has colors looking so clean and smooth. Still have to use NFC to know its capability.
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Not everyone roots their phone. we shouldnt have to wait for a port with broken features. Google should be more on top of things, like Microsoft is. Everything should work out of box, and we all know android doesnt work like that. If i didnt find out about rooting and what not i probably wouldnt be using my android device right now lol
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http://mobile.theverge.com/2012/4/17/2956439/windows-phone-8-apollo-no-upgrade
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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Worse case scenario is a modified version of WP8.. maybe missing some features, but the main functionality updates will come. For example, they are saying that WP8 will bring SD card support, well.. that doesn't matter for the 900 since it doesn't even have a slot for it..
But there is no way there won't be another major update, if they do that, they will loose a lot of customers.
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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I can agree with you, if I thought they put all their chips on the 900. Microsoft has had a plan in place for Windows Phone since the begining, post re-design. It wasn't Seven, it wasn't NoDo, it wasn't Mango. It was Apollo...Windows Phone 8. With WP8, Microsoft intends to be on the same playing field as Android and IOS. Right now, they have showed bursts...but not the entire package.
I 'think' that updating previous devices 'may' be their plate, at some time. But, the majority, like 99.9% of their focus is on that playing field.
First leaked info on the next Nokia with WP8 indicate a stellar blockbuster device. See Verizon's comments about Windows Phone yesterday. Sprint too. The number of OEMs announcing WP8 devices is like 4 times the amount of Seven or Mango. Lumia 900 opened some eyes, but I personally think that Verizon and Sprint, to name 2, and ASUS and Toshiba and a host of other OEMs opted to move to WP8 instead of interim developement on Mango.
For me, I have an upgrade available right now. Unless some catestrophic event occurs, like the Mayans were right, thats earmarked for my WP8 device.
Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol
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Here you guys go: http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/19/microsoft-official-admits-he-misspoke-regarding-windows-phone-8/
dont give your hopes up
also, this wouldnt dumb for them to say anyways. the DVP is not supported by Dell anymore the last time i checked so it definitely would not get the update? same for the HD7/s, htc surround. they are all discontinued im pretty sure, and discontinued phones dont get updates lol
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We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.
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We've seen all the companies do it....Motorola/ Verizon with Bionic, Razr, MaXX, HD in rapid succession. They didn't offer easy hard ware upgrades, and the software apparently was not compatable enough to release to all...
There are times when an upgrade just won't work based on hardware. We all know that..whether we will admit it or not. The very first Gen 1 devices...probably can't play. Gen 2, maybe some. The lumia 800/900, better chance. But, will anyone ( meaning Microsoft/Nokia/ others) want to go there.
After a huge revolt, the Razr Maxx out sold the Rzr and the Bionic. People will buy....period.
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Yeah lol, i couldnt see the 1st gen getting the update especially since you cant even buy them anymore from retail stores anymore really. unless they have stock for some weird reason. the only phones i could see getting the update is the titan/2 and lumia 800/900 if even that
Stoked
Sounds like Microsoft has learned from the mistakes of the bigger OS'. Im glad I made the switch and i dont think Ill be going back.
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I would be serious displeased if the Lumia 900 didn't get the update or a version of it.
P.S> My Samsung Focus is faster then my Nokia Lumia 900.
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Not saying you're lying or anything, but my Lumia 900 is WAY faster then my Focus. I actually was upset how slow my Focus acted once I had Exchange configured (and sync'ing my retarded number of calendar, contacts, e-mails), along with setting up integration with Facebook, Twitter, etc...
On my Lumia, no slowness whatsoever, menu loading, people loading, messages, and texts, are all real time.
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who reads the verge? if microsoft did that to lumia 900 owners i can safely say i will never be getting another windows phone again. and i highly doubt they will do that to the phone that they put all there chips in on, i mean the lumia 900 launch was huge for at&t.
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MSFT doesn't care. Most people are on a two year device upgrade cycle here in the US. Windows 8 phones will not be around in quantity for 6-8 months after the launch of the Lumia 900. So get a free Lumia 900 now or wait half a year+ and pay Lord knows what for a WP 8. I'm going to be 6-8 months into my contract before Windows 8 hits in quantity. And I have no idea when they will be selling at the very reasonable price the Lumia 900 is selling for now.
The average consumer (ie my mom and dad) is not going to care 8 months from now whether their free Lumia 900 can be upgraded to WP 8.
This forum is a tiny subset of the cell phone market. Apple has proven that you can have a multibillion dollar hit by completely ignoring the majority of the things people on this forum find important. I would much rather MSFT ruffle a few feathers in a niche group now and have outstanding software rather than make an "all things to all people" bloatware mess.
Just want to know how the situation is. Anyone still trust in Microsoft after abandoning Windows Mobile and now this with WP?
WP7.8 is pretty reasonable update, they should have just called it "WP8 for old phones" and everything would be fine... And I have a first-gen Samsung Omnia 7 and I'm going to buy a WP8 phone around christmas As well as Microsoft Surface, those seem to be pretty awesome tablets.
Yes, I'll probably upgrade to a WP8 device when my device is two years old, assuming there's a device with a good hardware keyboard. WP8 looks good and I prefer the WP experience.
Will probably be more cautious about recommending WP to others, however, especially in the period before new OS releases.
Well at the moment I'm really pissed how I spent my saved 350€ for a device (Lumia 800) that will be "outdated" OS vise after around a year. But I guess we will have to wait what the update brings. I don't need NFC as longs as Bluetooth can be used as a substitute (or maybe even WiFi). Also, I think the new Startscreen is somehow cluttered, but I guess I have to experience the look and feel. I surely hope that some software updates like the rumored notification system will come to current devices as well. Another thing is that my contract is due in 2013 so I have to stick around with this phone anyway. And as a poor student I cannot afford a new high-end phone every year. When the contract expires I will decide based on the existing choices and reevaluate the OS. I really like Windows Phone 7 but the whole update dilemma did not increase my thrust in neither Nokia nor Microsoft. I hope they keep their word that they are committed to bring future updates to existing devices. If not, I will move to another OS. It all depends how they handle Windows Phone 7 this and next year.
I switched to android last month from 1st gen wp because i knew they wouldn't update my wp.
I told myself i'll switch to wp8 if they do something android can't do. It doesn't look like that's the case.
I got my current WP7 device for nothing so I will get a WP8 phone when released if my carrier gives me a fair selection of devices.
I hope to have 7.8 soon so I can see if I like the feel of WP8. Infact I am going to install a dual boot with Windows 8 (the release) to see if I give it a chance...
Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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So I´m stuck with an WP 7.5 that wont even get the 7.8 update and a new device is too expensive...
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Let's just hope that 7.8 is not a huge update and it's something we can install right from here (XDA).
I wouldnt want to lose my custom rom right now.
As I have more thoughts here...
I guess the way MS planned it, if you were one of the first people to get WP7, you would be out of your 2 year by fall time (around release time). Sprint and Verizon (CDMA/LTE) customers would be ending their 2 year Spring/early Summer 2013 (I got mine with out a contract so I am good) due to late releases.
I think I am disapointed in the 18 month support only. I really think it should be 24 months, as most US carriers who have contracts are 2 years. Note: their exact quote was "18 months from the time the phone is released". Just because you get a new phone here in the US, that model could be out for over 3-4 months overseas. That could suck.
As for WP 7.8 all you will get is the new start menu that you can load up with more tiles. As a first gen user, I was kind of looking forward to upgrading my Trophy but, I guess I will be waiting till fall.
If you just picked up a new 2nd gen like a Lumia 900 or Titan 2, they are nice phones but, I would feel a little screwed.
After watching the entire conf today and the way they are talking C++ and direct hardware access, all I can say is this is the GAMING phone I have been waiting for. Everything WP7 should of been.
I enjoyed my WP7 device but, I can't wait for a WP8 device
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Yess definitely, I will be buying.
People need to understand, in order to progress some will be left behind. Thats just how the world works.
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p ClearBlack display & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Agreed! iOS has always left out a feature or 2 during every new major update. Android is even worse with some last generation phones not getting any updates at all. Yet when Microsoft does it, everybody complains!
I'm definitely getting a WP8 device! I can just imagine a Nokia Lumia 1000 with a 4.5" 720p screen & dual core 1.5ghz processor!! I don't even care about the other stuff
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen. Seriously, anybody liked the mini-tile? I dont think metro = square. At least, it was not. Just because that thing is a square form it's Metro UI. I wouldnt use, but its personal and I respect.
But hey, we are not receiving Skype, Multitasking, Turn-by-Turn, NT Kernel, and also, lets see if next year new apps will continue to be made thinking about WP 7 users. Or maybe 2014. Just like Android, 2.0 is already being forgotten.
If MS release at least Skype and Multitask, I will shut and smile.
Im pretty annoyed as well... I am also a student and cannot afford a new device every year. What kinda seems odd to me is that the current devices will not be upgradeable to the new nt core whilst microsoft and nokia and aims to sell low end devices (lower than current gen devices?) to compete with low end androids which presumably will be running on the nt core. Ultimately, as much as i love the looks of it, I will probably not be buying a windows 8 slate (unless they reach the sub £100 mark) so the integration features with windows phone 8 are not so important to me. The features that matter most to me would be updated bluetooth profiles (for bluetooth HID drivers), flash player (although there's no indication that WP8 does this either) and would like continued app support, better cloud/skydrive integration as well as a more complete office funtionality
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In a positive note, if microsoft really does put in the effort to compete with the low end android devices, we may see wp8 devices for as low as £60....
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Yeah, Apple does that. But Apple releases one phone per year. And you are secured that the next phone will receive 90% or more of the update.
My Lumia doesnt have 6 months of life and all it got was a new horrible start screen.
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First of all no matter when MSFT does a reboot someone is going to have only had their phone for 6 months. That's true of all OSes. Secondly you don't even know what the new features of Windows Phone 7.8 are going to be. So claiming it's just a start screen is just BS.
I'll probably wait 2-3 months into the next year to buy one. I'll see if app developers choose to accept WP8 as a serious platform and start making apps for Windows Phone too. If all goes well, and there's a phone release around that time that actually looks good, I'll buy it. Also somebody might port WP8 over to some of the old devices. If that happens, it will delay me buying a WP8 by a month or two.
^ developers will take it seriously, native coding means a lot!
The new kernel means a lot! The old one was dead from the beginning.
MS just put a tomb stone on RIM, and are now standing on it pointing at Google and Apple saying "You're Next".
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I have a HTC HD7S first gen that I bought May last year. WP7.8 will be nice to get but would be disappointed to loose my custom rom hope MS offers dev release soon. Can't wait to get a tablet.
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I bought a samsung focus, but I won't upgrade to WP8. From what they showed today it's just catching up to what is out there on the other platforms, I'll keep the old WP7 phone around and get something else and buy the Surface laptop instead.
Maybe WP9, if the come out with some killer features in the future.
So glad that I got rid of my Samsung Focus and now the proud owner of the HTC One X. I started doubting the whole WP debacle when support for my Dell Venue Pro was dropped and I started smelling a scam. However, I still held on to my Samsung Focus since I hope that they will change. Luckily I changed my mind 2 weeks ago and sold my Focus for a good price. After this, there will be a lot of frustrated users trying to dump their WP on ebay, it would be hard to sell it at a good price now.
I used to be the HD2 owner that watched every single MS news hoping that they will change their mind and provide us with the upgrade. Ah, how I wished that I learned my lesson and never give M$ another chance. Technically speaking, I was shafted not only once but twice.
I was thinking about buying a Lumia 800 to try it out but no more, MS will never AGAIN get my money. I hope they burn in hell and fail miserably for what they did to the users.
And if you are still blindly supporting M$ after this, stop for a moment and think about how you have been treated. M$ is even worse than Google. Don't ever trust them. **** you M$.
Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Blind was buying WP7 knowing that it was old. Knowing that it didn't support multi cores, knowing that it only supported one resolution. Thats blind.
Don't be mad for Microsoft catching up with the times.
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Sorry dude, looks like no one here is blind, except you. I will be seeing you around at the WP9 announcement then, when your shiny 2-month old phone is cut off support that is.
I haven't posted anything for awhile but i am still stay up-to-date with currents news for Windows Phone community. I was just thinking today about the future of our dear friend for-a-while (2nd Gen Windows Phone aka Mango devices).
I just recently made up my mind that i am gonna sell my HTC Titan ( a sweet device, used to make storms over XDA until somebody finally unbox the damn thing). But that also lead to the question: "Will you guys gonna keep the current Windows Phone gen device and then move on to WP8 later or gonna get WP8 and then keep both device? "
Because i am seeing a lot of people putting their device up for sale on Ebay and Amazon right now right before the launch of Windows Phone 8, and i am wondering if you guys are doing the same.
Regarding Windows Phone 8, i have heard from some sources teasing that HTC is doing work on a device probably with the name "Titan 3" after success with Titan (Eternity) and Titan II (Radiant) , the first wave of WP8 doesn't impress me that much even HTC Rio and Accord (8S and 8X) , Nokia just pretty much reuse the design of the Lumia 900 for the new waves of phone, make it less interesting. ( It is nothing like what we saw with the 1st Wave of Windows Phone 7 back in the day, damn the HTC HD7/Schubert back then was HOT.
I have a titan an am planning on going to the 8S as I have 12 months left of my contract and cant afford a bigger upgrade. I'm only going to jump ship however if there is a way to side load my homebrew apps without having to pay for a dev account.
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I have a titan an am planning on going to the 8S as I have 12 months left of my contract and cant afford a bigger upgrade. I'm only going to jump ship however if there is a way to side load my homebrew apps without having to pay for a dev account.
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So basically are you renewing your plan right now or you gonna wait another 12 months and then get an 8S?
Because 1 years is a long time, lol, who know what will happen... I hold the Schubert for One year before i switched to Titan. I am thinking about holding 7.8 device for another year before getting 8, want to see what we can get from 2nd Wave of WP8... :laugh:
Because i am kind of bias over HTC when buying phones, and to be honest, the Rio and Accord doesn't get much of my attention ... ( even tho, i am their trainee anyway, lol)
Nokia... eh... No offense but maybe i don't like them that much like i did before... Beside, HTC always has history of easiness in hacking Bootloader and stuffs (HSPL...) , so ... yeah
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I haven't posted anything for awhile but i am still stay up-to-date with currents news for Windows Phone community. I was just thinking today about the future of our dear friend for-a-while (2nd Gen Windows Phone aka Mango devices).
I just recently made up my mind that i am gonna sell my HTC Titan ( a sweet device, used to make storms over XDA until somebody finally unbox the damn thing). But that also lead to the question: "Will you guys gonna keep the current Windows Phone gen device and then move on to WP8 later or gonna get WP8 and then keep both device? "
Because i am seeing a lot of people putting their device up for sale on Ebay and Amazon right now right before the launch of Windows Phone 8, and i am wondering if you guys are doing the same.
Regarding Windows Phone 8, i have heard from some sources teasing that HTC is doing work on a device probably with the name "Titan 3" after success with Titan (Eternity) and Titan II (Radiant) , the first wave of WP8 doesn't impress me that much even HTC Rio and Accord (8S and 8X) , Nokia just pretty much reuse the design of the Lumia 900 for the new waves of phone, make it less interesting. ( It is nothing like what we saw with the 1st Wave of Windows Phone 7 back in the day, damn the HTC HD7/Schubert back then was HOT.
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I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.
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I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.
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Well, that is what i am thinking right now, The 1st Wave of WP8 doesn't have the unique design like what we had with HD7 at 1st Wave and Titan at 2nd Wave of WP7 devices.
About Custom ROM, i have heard about the secured boot, but hope is not vanished yet until i heard that officially from DFT or Cotulla himself . Maybe this time, DFT team will have to go BIG, lol.
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So basically are you renewing your plan right now or you gonna wait another 12 months and then get an 8S?
Because 1 years is a long time, lol, who know what will happen... I hold the Schubert for One year before i switched to Titan. I am thinking about holding 7.8 device for another year before getting 8, want to see what we can get from 2nd Wave of WP8... :laugh:
Because i am kind of bias over HTC when buying phones, and to be honest, the Rio and Accord doesn't get much of my attention ... ( even tho, i am their trainee anyway, lol)
Nokia... eh... No offense but maybe i don't like them that much like i did before... Beside, HTC always has history of easiness in hacking Bootloader and stuffs (HSPL...) , so ... yeah
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No im selling titan, hoping £140 ~ and buying a 8S off contract, for £224 ~ and will keep my current contract for the next year as im bound to it for that long and I cant afford to buy a 920 or 8X out right but the £80 difference between titan and 8S is doable. And this will also allow me to get a 2nd gen one next october when up for renewal.
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I am not gonna buy WP8, reasons
Never going to get custom roms!
Looks uglier than wp7.8 (details)
Love my Titan better than any (announced plastic) WP8 phone.
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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
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No im selling titan, hoping £140 ~ and buying a 8S off contract, for £224 ~ and will keep my current contract for the next year as im bound to it for that long and I cant afford to buy a 920 or 8X out right but the £80 difference between titan and 8S is doable. And this will also allow me to get a 2nd gen one next october when up for renewal.
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Where are you getting 8S for £224 from?
I might get one instead of my Titan to start with and then some!
I still have 4-5 months to make up my mind, then my contract will be over and I'll be in for an upgrade. I really NEED to see the 920 in action and notice if the little things that bug me have been improved (half assed multitasking, weak notifications). If that's the case I'll get a 920, it's a behemoth but I'll get used to it somehow. Otherwise I'll go to the dark side and pick an i5. Really like the size/weight/build of the thing, plus with jailbreak I'll basically get most of the functionality of Android without all of the root/mod/hack bs that I'm sick of.
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Nope, my Trophy does everything I need it to do via custom ROM. Maybe when custom ROMs become avilabe for WP8, I'll switch over.
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Nope, my Trophy does everything I need it to do via custom ROM. Maybe when custom ROMs become avilabe for WP8, I'll switch over.
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Me too. I'll only shift when wp8 will have custom roms and a good flagship device.
My Focus s is the dogs bollocks, would be even better if I could dump the ROM but that a side story, what am I going to do? well, my Focus S does everything I want it to right now, I am in no hurry what so ever to jump to WP8.
I will wait for WP8 to mature a bit, and more importantly wait until its possible to side load stuff, im not fussed about custom ROMs,. I just want it to work, and allow me to install what I want and not what someone tells me I can. IF / When that day comes then ill do my research and sell my focus S, if that day doesn't come and the OS remains locked down tighter than a ducks arse then im more than happy with what my Focus S does for the time being.
So look like a lot of people have the same line thinking like me, Windows Phone 8 is great but i would rather wait for it to perform and then reviewed by other expert before i make a move also.
There are a lot of thing that i want to buy so i have no choice except being smart, lol.
I mean, custom ROM is not a total big deal to me after all, back in the day when i still have my HD7, i still choose the way to use Official ROM instead of getting custom one. But i just don't like the way they lock the device with the OS so strict that Advanced Users can't tweaks the device in the way they want. I mean Registry Editor, Flies Explorer and all the kind of stuffs. Windows Mobile 6.5 was saved (almost all by this XDA Community) because of that.
MS this year drive away to regular based users market rather than advanced users... (Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8)...
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MS this year drive away to regular based users market rather than advanced users... (Windows 8 and Windows Phone 8)...
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That's because (as iOS and Android has proven extremely well) theres more money to be made when targeting nupties, power users are a limited few in a sea of average users who couldn't tell the difference between the different OSs in the first place.
I have a horrible feeling that WP8 is going to be even harder to crack open so im not going to hold my breath, bare in mind that technically WP7 hasn't been cracked open either, im sure WP8 will make it even harder still
Definitely going to jump to Windows Phone 8 as soon as I can, but probably gonna keep my Titan and Lumia 800.
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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
Where are you getting 8S for £224 from?
I might get one instead of my Titan to start with and then some!
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http://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/htc-8s-windows-phone-sim-free-p-84273.html
or http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/7835/htc-8s-windows-8--sim-free-unlocked--red-
or http://www.clove.co.uk/htc-8s
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How does it look ANY different than 7.8? I thought only stuff they mutually shared between WP8 and WP7.8 was how they look. Don't see how WP8 is uglier than WP7.8!
We don't know yet about custom ROMs! Plus metal and ceramic aren't exactly plastic
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Well, first of all the accent is more intergrated! (It annoys me big time) Ceramic? Which phone?
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Well, first of all the accent is more intergrated! (It annoys me big time) Ceramic? Which phone?
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But isn't those accent colours just based on leaks so far? (Early July leak?)
If they are to be present in WP7.8 there is a huge chance they will be implemented identically as WP8, no?
Lumia 920 has polycarbonate unibody with ceramic buttons or so did I read!
Well, the design of Lumia is not bad at all, but i don't really like how they just make it a little bit bigger and reuse the design pretty much.
I just saw another Lumia 8xx something for T-Mobile US and that thing look a little bit more interesting than Lumia 920.
And BTW i am not looking forward to pay like $800 for an unlocked version of that anyway.
They also predict the 8X to be around $500-$600 for unlocked version
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Well, the design of Lumia is not bad at all, but i don't really like how they just make it a little bit bigger and reuse the design pretty much.
I just saw another Lumia 8xx something for T-Mobile US and that thing look a little bit more interesting than Lumia 920.
And BTW i am not looking forward to pay like $800 for an unlocked version of that anyway.
They also predict the 8X to be around $500-$600 for unlocked version
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I think they made it bigger basically because of the camera features they wanted to implement, it shouldn't be hard to make it thinner without it, at least 820 thin. Honestly I take like no more than 3 pictures every year with my phone so I couldn't care less...maybe a sharper profile, somewhat like the new nano (but bigger, heh) would have been better for me. If Microsoft ever releases something more squarish and thin with a full metal body, like a crossover between an iPhone and a Surface I'm 100% sold.
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I think they made it bigger basically because of the camera features they wanted to implement, it shouldn't be hard to make it thinner without it, at least 820 thin. Honestly I take like no more than 3 pictures every year with my phone so I couldn't care less...maybe a sharper profile, somewhat like the new nano (but bigger, heh) would have been better for me. If Microsoft ever releases something more squarish and thin with a full metal body, like a crossover between an iPhone and a Surface I'm 100% sold.
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Yeah, I've been fancying my chances of owning a squarish device. Not exactly like an Experia but something as classy as surface design. I would love to own vaporised magnesium squarish handset running WP9!