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[Q] Confused betwn buyin ARC or Galaxy S!!User memory doubts??

Hi All,
I am planning to buy SE ARC or Samsung Galaxy S plus!!
Just 1 question that is in my mind..If any of the existing ARC users can solve it??
ARC has 320mb inbuilt memory as opposed to Galaxy's 16gb.
So is 320 mb sufficient enough for all the software/widgets and games needs.
I kno most of the games and some softwares can be moved on to the memory card, but still the inbuilt memory space is consumed by some softwares.
So just help me out in this and tell me whether 320mb is sufficient enough considering the size of android market.
Thanks.

Being an arc owner and I must say I love it, the only let down for is the low amount if memory. I would love more and I do watch the amount of apps I install, I know I would install more if I could, but at the end of the day it depends on how much you want on your phone. I have at least 50 and still have half my memory left, so it's good enough for me
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Also Link2SD (not regular Android apps2SD) is a very convenient solution.
It's improbable that you will ever run out of free space if you use it.

Thanks for ur replies..
@rustynuts - ARC is a phone to be in love with..else I would have blindly went for Galaxy (as all other Nobs says me to buy)...
you have around 50 apps and are all those apps on user memory or even after moving to SD card some apps out of 50, it is consumin half your user memory?? (I hope u understood the question... )
@iridaki - for link2sd i think rooting the phone is necessary..and in that case I think it wont be possible for me...because I am buying this phone for my Dad..and he wont allow me to do any such things which have a disclaimer at the start itself..(You know what I mean to say... )
So again the same question..what should I do????

I have 70 apps installed 40 are on sd using link2sd and this is what's showing
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I imagine it can be tweaked more but im not clever enough
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Got 120-140 apps installed an 84MB left
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thanks rustynuts and flo..
But are your phones rooted for link2sd to work????
Without link2sd will I b able to install that much apps???

Im sure it needs to be rooted. But I think you will get that many apps just using the standard method built in
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Mine is rooted, but I just use Android's native App2SD, no Link2SD etc
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I think the galaxy s plus is a great phone and sure has some better specs then my (older) Arc, but the lack of a flashlight for the camera is a real deal breaker here.
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tahasumra said:
Hi All,
I am planning to buy SE ARC or Samsung Galaxy S plus!!
Just 1 question that is in my mind..If any of the existing ARC users can solve it??
ARC has 320mb inbuilt memory as opposed to Galaxy's 16gb.
So is 320 mb sufficient enough for all the software/widgets and games needs.
I kno most of the games and some softwares can be moved on to the memory card, but still the inbuilt memory space is consumed by some softwares.
So just help me out in this and tell me whether 320mb is sufficient enough considering the size of android market.
Thanks.
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get ARC S...
and dont bother with size of DATA partition... android 2.2+ have native app2sd (move App to sdcard) so this shouldnt be a deal breaker...
Galaxy's 16gb is the size of internal emmc so the actual usable size will be around 12/13Gb...

And also is it possible to download HD games of more than 320mb in size??????
will the games be directly installed into sd card???

And also does this phone lags or slows down as it has 512mb ram compared to 1gb of galaxy!!!
please reply as I have too take a decision in 2 3 days!!!
Thanks

Buy the arc.. Is too fast and smooth.. the camera is just awesome. Battery life is great too.. And Display with BE engine is beatifull!

tahasumra said:
And also is it possible to download HD games of more than 320mb in size??????
will the games be directly installed into sd card???
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Yes, it just stores the game data on you SD card (I believe 16GB is included in my region)

personally recommend arc because of nicer design,better camera,promised to get ics update but also have to mention that memory is not enough .you will not have installed all apps you want.you must select only best ones you really need for daily using

I've been using link2sd for a few months and would say it's nigh on impossible to run out of space. I currently have just over 150 apps(I'm pretty disorganised and tend to download anything that catches my eye and forget about it...)and still have 130 mb internal storage free.

In my opinion you should buy the Xperia Arc S.
I've bought the Xperia Arc S too about a month ago and I'm more than satisfied.
And don't worry about memory, App2SD or Link2SD (when you're rooted, which is very easy with ZergRush Method from Doomlord) works great.

Quick Ram Q

Hi. I'm at ATT HOX owner and trying to confirm we have same amount of RAM (not flash) as you tegra 3 guys. Could a tegra 3 owner quickly report how much total RAM the device reports in Task Manager? On my ATT device I see 554 used + 118 = 672MB total. Thanks!

Just had a look at mine and it shows 670 used 307 free which totals 977
That was by going into settings, programmes, running programmes
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Using task manager it shows 739 used 237 free
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976...
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Used 727
Free 249
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577 used, 400 free on CM9
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Oh boy....can someone confirm these numbers on a stock Rom with the stock task manager app?
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1.28 stock rom:
768 MB used
228 MB free.

1.29 stock
622 used
354 free
so 976 MB altogether
So I take it the Tegra 3 version has more usable RAM than the ATT version?

Meltus said:
1.29 stock
622 used
354 free
so 976 MB altogether
So I take it the Tegra 3 version has more RAM than the ATT version?
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No.. they both have the same amount of RAM. Whether or not it is available to the user is completely different. Maybe ours reports 977 for RAM but we can only freely access as much as the other HOX users can.
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Meltus said:
1.29 stock
622 used
354 free
so 976 MB altogether
So I take it the Tegra 3 version has more RAM than the ATT version?
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The "About" section in the settings says "1GB" under memory, so if there is indeed less ram in the AT&T One X, then they'd straight up be deceiving the consumer. I think the more likely situation is that there's ram being allocated for something else and the AT&T One X just doesn't show the ram at all. What that ram is being allocated for would then be the question that needs asking...

Sorry, I should have worded my sentence better.
I'm aware they both physically have the same amount of RAM but I wonder if the Tegra version has more available to the user than the ATT version?
(I've edited my post )

Meltus said:
Sorry, I should have worded my sentence better.
I'm aware they both physically have the same amount of RAM but I wonder if the Tegra version has more available to the user than the ATT version?
(I've edited my post )
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Could either be that the tegra version has more usable ram or simply that they both have the same amount of usable ram, only the tegra version doesn't hide the ram that isn't usable

Can someone do me a big favor and capture a screenshot of their phone's RAM usage overall in System Tuner like this:
I have a bad feeling that something is very very wrong with the AT&T One X's RAM. The values of the available "visible" free RAM is identical to HTC's 768 MB RAM phones like the Sensation and Desire HD, and the "hidden" RAM is about the same size (in this case both the Desire HD and One XL (AT&T One X) have about 160 MB kernel size in RAM...). I think either HTC really screwed up and needs to kick off a massive recall campaign (not actually putting 1 GB RAM into device) or they need to get to it and push out an update to the phone ASAP to fix the bug, because 200 missing MB of RAM can make the difference between barely being able to multitask and being able to run 10 tabs and go back and forth between something else without having the application ever need to reload.

Since HTC added the Task Manager app to its Android phones, the Task Manager always showed less total RAM than what the device actualy had.
Sensation had 768 Mb, but Task Manager showed 558 ish Mb only.
EVO 3D had 1 Gb, but Task Manager showed 808 Mb only.
I was expecting the same with the One X, which apparently is not. Task Manager shows the right RAM.
Then I found this thread! & your post. It seems that, in my opinon, it has to do with Qualcomm!! Since the international One X, the only recent HTC phone without a Qualcomm SoC, is also the first HTC phone to show the correct RAM in Task Manager.

This still doesn't address the question of why there's so little RAM shown when even the evo 3d had around 800 megs of RAM.

Hunt3r.j2 said:
This still doesn't address the question of why there's so little RAM shown when even the evo 3d had around 800 megs of RAM.
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there is no need for more ram
currently the only reason we see high ram usage is that android doesn't want to waste empty space, so it pre-loads apps into the ram / cache for faster launching in future.
if ram IS needed, these apps are removed from the cache and you will have more ram.

beaups said:
Hi. I'm at ATT HOX owner and trying to confirm we have same amount of RAM (not flash) as you tegra 3 guys. Could a tegra 3 owner quickly report how much total RAM the device reports in Task Manager? On my ATT device I see 554 used + 118 = 672MB total. Thanks!
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647 used 329 left, 976 mb total
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How to make my gnex faster?

I know the gnex is over a year old so it will be hard to keep up with new SOCs from S3, nexus 4....but I want to mod it so that it can keep up with the new SOCs. I am willing to give up battery life for speed. I am thinking over clock and custom ROM but I need recommendation on which one will provide what I needs. I want faster page load when browsing (I used dolphin browser), faster apps load like xda, Engadget...
What should I do?
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ditch dolphin browser for one, that browser is nothing but lag.
If you want faster browser, i recommand opera mini, fastest browser ive ever used, although i personally will just stick with chrome, its not the the fastest, but it definitly is the most convenient for me due to bookmark/recent sync.
as for rom, i personally recommand cm10.1 + ak kernel, its working extremely well for me the phone is very responsive, good batery life even.

Flash a Rom that uses the Linaro tool chain and get Seeder from the market.
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Tape a cheetah to its back

Thanks. I will do more research on the suggested ROMs.
For browser, I really like the features that dolphin offer (speed dial, tabs like chrome desktop, sidebar bookmarks...). I may stick with dolphin for now despite it's FC very often
No one like over clocking now a day?
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namtombout said:
Tape a cheetah to its back
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I would do a LS1 engine swap first
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DandroidT said:
I would do a LS1 engine swap first
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..cheetah worked for my grandma
Liquidsmooth is a fast stable rom. Cant go wrong with ak kernel. Setting your governor to performance will also increase the speed and responsiveness of your device

ATOM is fast!
It's probably impossible that anyone has tried all the various ROMS that are available on the XDA Galaxy Nexus forums :laugh:, but I have tried quite a few.
For me the one ROM that sticks out as being 'super fluid, fast and smooth' has to be ATOM by PrimeDirective.
I was testing other JB421 ROMS since it wasn't updated for a while, but not that it has been recently updated to JB421 its once again back on my GNEX. I find it smooth enough not to warrant OCing it. I also stick with the stock kernel, but I guess if you want it to go faster you could go with some other kernel.
I have linked to the maguro version, but if you are on another version then find it in the other forums.

The phone is fast enough as is. Linaro is placebo and Seeder doesn't even help performance either so ditch that recommendation.
Custom kernel will be your best bet and stay stock odexed rooted if all you care for is performance and not customization.

Sdobron said:
The phone is fast enough as is. Linaro is placebo and Seeder doesn't even help performance either so ditch that recommendation.
Custom kernel will be your best bet and stay stock odexed rooted if all you care for is performance and not customization.
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If it was fast enough there wouldn't be a need for new FASTER CPU's.
Even if linaro was a placebo it would still make the device faster in the users mind which turns the placebo into reality

DandroidT said:
I want faster page load when browsing (I used dolphin browser), faster apps load like xda, Engadget...
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Seeder helps with what he's asking for with faster app loading.
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Go BraveStarr on it!!
SPEED OF THE PUMA!!!!!
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namtombout said:
If it was fast enough there wouldn't be a need for new FASTER CPU's.
Even if linaro was a placebo it would still make the device faster in the users mind which turns the placebo into reality
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Completely wrong on both counts.
There will always be faster CPU's because there will always be new devices. It has nothing to do with "need" and everything to do with marketing. Even if less than 15% of the CPU was being taxed there'd be a new one with only 13% taxed just in time for next years models.
There is no "turns placebo into reality". The very definition of Placebo is:
Something of no intrinsic remedial value that is used to appease or reassure another.
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By that very definition what you said is impossible.

063_XOBX said:
Completely wrong on both counts.
There will always be faster CPU's because there will always be new devices. It has nothing to do with "need" and everything to do with marketing.
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True and I like being able to say my device can (somewhat) keep up with them
If your taking a placebo drug to make you eat less and you eat less because of it then placebo turned reality
Not trying to go back and forth with you just my opinion

[Q] LG G3 16 GB average FREE ram . How much do you have ?

i was looking to buy the 32 GB ver but it was hard to find in my area , so i went with the 16 GB ver .
and ever since it annoys me a bit every time i see the amount of free ram .
makes me think its on the edge of the performance , like , another app and it'll squeeze the last of its juice .
when i tried to clean all the possible proccesses i got something around 900 mb of free ram which climbed back to around 400 of free ram really fast .
how much of free rm do you have ? and is there any suggestions to steralize it to the max ? ( with preferabilityto keep it that way )

mine is about 400mb left out of the 2GB RAM.

On Android, you want as much of the RAM to be in use as possible.

Mine is 1.2G on the 32G version.
If you have 900M so it's very good. 400 is acceptable. As long as you don't have <100M it will be smooth.

Japultra said:
On Android, you want as much of the RAM to be in use as possible.
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Yes and no. You need Ram so the apps can sit open in the background however when you run out of Ram, apps will start closing and redrawing everytime you open them. The QHD screen uses more Ram overall as it needs to store more screen data so with the 2gb G3 you're going to have more redraws. On average, an HD 1080 screen uses around 200-300mb Ram for video and a QHD uses 500-600mb of Ram for video.

400mb on average here. Sometimes 300. Doesnt seem to affect performance but would feel much better if we could get a up to date rom zipaligned which may free up more ram

Batfink33 said:
Yes and no. You need Ram so the apps can sit open in the background however when you run out of Ram, apps will start closing and redrawing everytime you open them. The QHD screen uses more Ram overall as it needs to store more screen data so with the 2gb G3 you're going to have more redraws. On average, an HD 1080 screen uses around 200-300mb Ram for video and a QHD uses 500-600mb of Ram for video.
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yeah , i expirience sometimes the redrawing and it's a kick in the balls .
playing a game doesnt allow me to reply a message and go back to it , it'll relaunch the game
maybe this is the reason to make sure nothing usless and unimportant doesnt draining my ram .
did somebody do a complete "ram cleaning" ? by that i mean keeping only THE most important services for the system to work properly , and kill \erase\stomp the other marketing bull**** ?

I have on average 6-700mb free ram

Sufflix said:
I have on average 6-700mb free ram
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With what G3 version? 2/16 or 3/32?

Wow, just checked and I have 1.4 gb in use and 1.4 gb free.

Any free RAM is wasted RAM.
That's how Android works, it maximises used RAM by keeping things in memory. Freeing RAM does not help in any way in making it faster or better, and uses more processing power (hence more battery). That's just silly. Your android phone is not a PC!

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32gb model
I've had it down to about 300mb before and it still runs fine.

around 560mb with 16gb version

Some pretty informative stuff on Android and ram here...
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2014/01/process-stats-understanding-how-your.html?m=1
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html?m=1
- Tapatalked from the G3

Disable mlt test in hidden menu, reboot and you will get at least 100 mb more ram (it is a known useless tracking process by lg)
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carburano said:
Disable mlt test in hidden menu, reboot and you will get at least 100 mb more ram (it is a known useless tracking process by lg)
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Well, i just tried that, and honnestly there's no difference, still ~560mB free at boot, which is pretty nice already !

Average 1.7GB free ram (D855 32GB)
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antNOMA said:
Well, i just tried that, and honnestly there's no difference, still ~560mB free at boot, which is pretty nice already !
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I had 350/380 mb free ram before this... Now 450/500 circa
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Batfink33 said:
With what G3 version? 2/16 or 3/32?
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2/16

subwoffer13 said:
i was looking to buy the 32 GB ver but it was hard to find in my area , so i went with the 16 GB ver .
and ever since it annoys me a bit every time i see the amount of free ram .
makes me think its on the edge of the performance , like , another app and it'll squeeze the last of its juice .
when i tried to clean all the possible proccesses i got something around 900 mb of free ram which climbed back to around 400 of free ram really fast .
how much of free rm do you have ? and is there any suggestions to steralize it to the max ? ( with preferabilityto keep it that way )
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I have 480Mb without cleaning anything...

2gb vs 4gb model, weird memory usage

So my 1.8ghz 2gb zen2 model was thrown and the only thing that stop working is the sim1 slot. So instead of waiting for repair I purchased the 1.8ghz 4gb model.
Crazy thing... Both phones are set up exactly the same. Fully stock. It seems the 4gb model is using more ram than the 2gb model. I have less than 800mb avail on both. Makes no sense at all. Any ideas why or has anyone else noticed this?

Why are all People complaining about RAM usage. Only a full RAM is a good RAM.
More Apps in RAM doesn't mean more battery usage like on Windows.

I didn't say anything about battery. I payed the extra $30 for 4gb so when I'm switching between apps, and I usually have quite a few running, that they aren't reset when I switch between them.
I was just wondering why I seem to have less ram available than my 2gb model. Which I was gonna reply seemed to fix with a cache partition wipe.

Frankenberrie said:
So my 1.8ghz 2gb zen2 model was thrown and the only thing that stop working is the sim1 slot. So instead of waiting for repair I purchased the 1.8ghz 4gb model.
Crazy thing... Both phones are set up exactly the same. Fully stock. It seems the 4gb model is using more ram than the 2gb model. I have less than 800mb avail on both. Makes no sense at all. Any ideas why or has anyone else noticed this?
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Well the 4g (really it's 3.8g but they round that up) ram model is a 2.3ghz processor and are you sure you are reading your ram usage correctly? I have the 2.3 4g ram 64g hd and it shows more than 1 g usable ram left (it's about 1900 to 2000 used on this picture with apps in the background) completely stock. If you are reading correctly it might be the apps your running. In short though your suppose to have higher ram usage and the kernel frees ram as needed when your ram gets too low and that's exactly how proper ram management should work.
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You would clear the ram by pressing the power & boost quicktile or by quick pressing the window swap hw button on the bottom right of your phone and clearing your recent apps.
Here is a pic after clearing the recent apps.
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alope said:
Why are all People complaining about RAM usage. Only a full RAM is a good RAM.
More Apps in RAM doesn't mean more battery usage like on Windows.
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That's the theory, yeah - RAM on Android should be mostly filled up and then released by the OS as needed depending on use. But for whatever reason on the stock ASUS firmware the OS is not managing RAM effectively - it's taking up too much and not releasing it properly. Mine drops as low as 200MB and then there are very noticeable slow downs. Not sure if this is because of 5.0 memory leaks, or bad RAM management specific to ASUS code. I have had to limit background processes under the developer options in settings to acheive acceptable smooth running.