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I feel the same way, im an it tech, and consider myself to have pretty good knowledge on roms, rooting, etc. I recently have spent the pass couple of days testing the miui rom for the xperia x10, for trip. I can post and bugs or fixes that ive discovered cause i dont have enough posts. I have to go around looking for irrelevant forums just to be able to post something, which in probably can be considered spamming. I hope Xda finds a better convenient way of controlling spammers but it is unfair for actual techs/future devs.
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Add me to the list I'm to the point of using 2 or 3 different Rom parts to make my own yet can not post in the Android section
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I really don't know xda's policy on making special exceptions, but here's what I did and would recommend to all of you:
Do some charity work by heading over to Q&A and answering some questions people have. Lots of the people there are the newest of the noobs and could really use some help. If you feel qualified to post on dev forums, then you definitely have the skills necessary to solve many of the questions people have there.
Just my 2 cents
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I really don't know xda's policy on making special exceptions, but here's what I did and would recommend to all of you:
Do some charity work by heading over to Q&A and answering some questions people have. Lots of the people there are the newest of the noobs and could really use some help. If you feel qualified to post on dev forums, then you definitely have the skills necessary to solve many of the questions people have there.
Just my 2 cents
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This ^^^^^
If you make useful posts, then you will be able to post in dev... That's the precise purpose - it's to stop new users joining, and immediately asking questions in dev, or harassing devs for XYZ
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If I can prove that I know how to build the AOSP and know my way around Android builds, do I still have to follow the post limit. At the same token doesn't it require some knowledge of programming in general to be in the devs section. Is there a hidden forum for the real developers also? Anyway I am new here but appreciate everything deeply. The bootloader tools are really appreciated. I don't see much of fastboot or a shell with a linux mini shell like kboot. Maybe I'll post a few more random posts.
Oh come on guys, it's only 10 posts. How hard is it to post something useful or meaningful 10 times?
yea this sucks lol
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Oh come on guys, it's only 10 posts. How hard is it to post something useful or meaningful 10 times?
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Exactly.
Meaningful posts are what counts.
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Oh come on guys, it's only 10 posts. How hard is it to post something useful or meaningful 10 times?
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Your right its not a lot but if i've been reading the forums for months and just need to asking a quick question, it becomes a pain in the ass trying to get to 10 posts
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Your right its not a lot but if i've been reading the forums for months and just need to asking a quick question, it becomes a pain in the ass trying to get to 10 posts
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arod404 said:
Your right its not a lot but if i've been reading the forums for months and just need to asking a quick question, it becomes a pain in the ass trying to get to 10 posts
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But your question belongs in Q&A, hence your point is moot.
Questions are not development and belong elsewhere
Do you think a thread for people to post the 10 replys would be deleted? x)
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Do you think a thread for people to post the 10 replys would be deleted? x)
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Yes. I do .
I have received a surprising number of PMs in response to my App thread [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=973921] from newbies who say they are PMing because they are unable to reply to threads. One even said he couldn't post till he had 10 posts (how the heck could he get 10 posts if he can't post?). I thought newbies couldn't post links for a certain period or number of posts... but I have slept since then and the site has changed some.
What gives? I read the FAQ and all I found was that in most forums you have to be a registered member to reply or post new topics. Are these newbies just mistaken about the rules, if so is there some way to better explain the posting rules?
Pop45398 said:
I have received a surprising number of PMs in response to my App thread [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=973921] from newbies who say they are PMing because they are unable to reply to threads. One even said he couldn't post till he had 10 posts (how the heck could he get 10 posts if he can't post?). I thought newbies couldn't post links for a certain period or number of posts... but I have slept since then and the site has changed some.
What gives? I read the FAQ and all I found was that in most forums you have to be a registered member to reply or post new topics. Are these newbies just mistaken about the rules, if so is there some way to better explain the posting rules?
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We have an informative notice to users when they try to do this.
New users (<10 posts) can't post in development areas. What you could do, is make a "support" thread outwith development. The problem was that we were getting thousands of pointless posts from people in development areas, causing endless trouble in moving them and dealing with the flaming that continued...
Once they have 10 posts outwith development areas, they can post in dev forums within 1 hour of that time. A support thread outwith that section, with a prominant link in the first post might help, and it's the method I will be using myself.
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Thanks, that certainly explains it... great suggestion.
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We have an informative notice to users when they try to do this.
New users (<10 posts) can't post in development areas. What you could do, is make a "support" thread outwith development. The problem was that we were getting thousands of pointless posts from people in development areas, causing endless trouble in moving them and dealing with the flaming that continued...
Once they have 10 posts outwith development areas, they can post in dev forums within 1 hour of that time. A support thread outwith that section, with a prominant link in the first post might help, and it's the method I will be using myself.
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Thanks for the explantion, though it's really annoying, never mind counting this one XD.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14995900#post14995900
it's frustrated...
Thx, logical explanation
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Must follow the rules, thank you.
I have the same issue and found out about the 10 posts rule, yet something confused me, a "new member" (Labeled as Junior Member" was able to post in the development area for a Rom thread with only having >5 posts. I saw two posts of his in this thread and he only had total of 4 posts...I tried to post in the same thread and wasn't allowed to because i have fewer than 10 post...oh and his post is only a day or two old.. what gives??
noted ...sir
This stupid rule forces me too post in pointless threads for me. It's just too much hassle to post in threads you really don't care about just to be able to post in your desired development thread.
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This stupid rule forces me too post in pointless threads for me. It's just too much hassle to post in threads you really don't care about just to be able to post in your desired development thread.
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The recommended way is to post in Q&A instead of development, and I tried it. Obviously no one from the development thread is going to be informed of my post automagically, so I went on contacting the kernel dev, leading to the same situation as the OP, meaning an unwanted PM to a busy dev...
Yeah I don't want to keep bugging deva through pm. Only reason for me to post in other threads.
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I submitted a post misspelled something wanted to edit and It won't let me submit the edited post. Wtf?
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I submitted a post misspelled something wanted to edit and It won't let me submit the edited post. Wtf?
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Ha that's weird, I could edit my first post to fix a broken link. Can you link to your immutable post?
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Yeah I don't want to keep bugging deva through pm. Only reason for me to post in other threads.
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I perfectly agree with you, sir, and find the present thread particularly handy in that respect. Of course, I would never post anything just for the sake of reaching a post count of 10, but it appears that light conversation about the ins and outs and philosophy of the XDA rules does help towards that goal, isn't it wonderful?
And hooooo didn't I just discover another thoughtful anti-noob restriction ? It appears that, in order to increase my verbia... to increase the quality, grammar and punctuation of posts, and more importantly, to avoid easy mass spamming, XDA requires non-mod-approved users to wait a total of five minutes between two posts. Specifically, the following message appears:
To prevent spam to the forums, new users must wait five minutes between posts. All new user accounts will be verified by moderators before this restriction is removed.
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(HA, yes, I admit that I am just training to use the quote function here, and that the above snippet of text does not bring much to the conversation, but eh, isn't it a positive side effect of the anti-noob-spam rule, that I get to train proper formatting of posts?)
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Ha that's weird, I could edit my first post to fix a broken link. Can you link to your immutable post?
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I'm using the xda app right now. Its not a big deal but its frustrating ...... and guess what guys this should be my 10th post. This f'ed up rule got me counting my posts lol.. I should get unleashed after this right?
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I'm using the xda app right now. Its not a big deal but its frustrating ...... and guess what guys this should be my 10th post. This f'ed up rule got me counting my posts lol.. I should get unleashed after this right?
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So it's a limitation of new posters when using the XDA app, probably.
Yes its a limitation....by the way this is my first post.... 1/10
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Congratulations on your first post, komusic.
I shall also note that the 5 minutes between posts limitation makes that a minimum of 50 minutes is necessary for anyone to reach the infamous tenposts milestone after which the golden doors of the dev forums posting will open under our ungrateful greasy little noobish fingers. Hence, this is also a test of patience. We shall consider ourselves monks, in fact. Apprentices.
So can anyone explain why a member with >10 posts can post in the development area? The posts are recent, just yesterday and the day before
hi..im new here....
nice to meet you all..
why i cant reply a post in other thread??
Hey, welcome to XDA.
Have a read through this thread, it should answer your question
Welcome & Enjoy.
welcome to xda & watch the xda noob video to answer your q's.....
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greetings I also am new,, trying to learn and somewhat hampered by the 10 post rule but willing to abide,,it was a rule right up front when I joined so I guess it should apply to me also and besides the frustration of not being able to post is forcing me to read a lot of stuff other than what I am specifically interested in,,so I am learning about the entire site and it's aims and philosophy instead of just one minor segment of it,,this can not help but be a good thing
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greetings I also am new,, trying to learn and somewhat hampered by the 10 post rule but willing to abide,,it was a rule right up front when I joined so I guess it should apply to me also and besides the frustration of not being able to post is forcing me to read a lot of stuff other than what I am specifically interested in,,so I am learning about the entire site and it's aims and philosophy instead of just one minor segment of it,,this can not help but be a good thing
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It's refreshing to hear from a new user with a positive outlook and attitude. There are far too many 'Why can't I post... this is stupid...' threads at the moment. Good on you for not whingeing!
Welcome to XDA, enjoy, and if you ever need anything give me a shout
protip: learn to use the search function. it has EVERYTHING. tried and tested.
and welcome.
Hey, I'm new (to posting) here too. Watch the noob video, its HILARIOUS!
Because u are newcomer, just as I am...
thanks for the info
rladkins25 said:
Gingerbread rules
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yeah and Android FTW!
Hello, me too Im new here...
stupid restriction of eight posts, makes me do spam...
I hope my post are not gonna be delete...
just need some answer of S5830 frequency bands....
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Hello, me too Im new here...
stupid restriction of eight posts, makes me do spam...
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No, 10 post rule encourages you to read and learn before posting.
Make 10 spam posts, spam in development, get banned.
Great plan!
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XDA has plenty of enjoyable reads. Plus if you get bored, go to the XDA TV Section and look for Sassibob's videos. Or you can watch it directly from youtube. That should get your juices flowing
Title says it all really.
Trying to add comments to threads in the Original /Android I9300 forums, but the option to reply is not there.
Can reply to other threads though.
Is it because my post count is too low?
Also, why are there two separate forums for Android development and Original Android Development?
Looking through the respective forums, they seem practically identical. Sure, there are moss included in the Android development thread - but there are also ROMs - the latter of which has blurred the purpose of these two independent forums.
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arsenals said:
Title says it all really.
Trying to add comments to threads in the Original /Android I9300 forums, but the option to reply is not there.
Can reply to other threads though.
Is it because my post count is too low?
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Yes.
arsenals said:
Also, why are there two separate forums for Android development and Original Android Development?
Looking through the respective forums, they seem practically identical. Sure, there are moss included in the Android development thread - but there are also ROMs - the latter of which has blurred the purpose of these two independent forums.
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Don't ask the same questions that have been asked a hundred times before - please learn to use the search function.
so bad
I join here to try to help and contribute in topic of a ROM and I can't I must use PM
I think the "minimum of topic/reply" make more spam for can get the full range to reply in some topics
I'm currently in the situation that I'd like to post a help at a development forum, but I'm not allowed to because of my low post count. :crying:
Frankly, I understand the idea behind the minimum post counts, but on the other hand the xda moderators presume that when I am a noob, all I want to do is ask stupid questions to developers. So now I really have to dump at least 10 stupid postings somewhere until I'm allowed to help... And I wonder why I should take this tedious task, just for helping out...
What about that: Allow new members to post anywhere after 10+ postings or after they have been members for at least one month. This way you will also keep away noobs who just have a quick question, but make it a little easier for members who are actually interested in writing at xda.
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I'm currently in the situation that I'd like to post a help at a development forum, but I'm not allowed to because of my low post count. :crying:
Frankly, I understand the idea behind the minimum post counts, but on the other hand the xda moderators presume that when I am a noob, all I want to do is ask stupid questions to developers. So now I really have to dump at least 10 stupid postings somewhere until I'm allowed to help... And I wonder why I should take this tedious task, just for helping out...
What about that: Allow new members to post anywhere after 10+ postings or after they have been members for at least one month. This way you will also keep away noobs who just have a quick question, but make it a little easier for members who are actually interested in writing at xda.
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That's 1 for the count
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Original development are original builds, not based off another rom
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I can reply only 1/5minutes, if I hit ten posts, can I reply anytime?
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sedotwc01 said:
I can reply only 1/5minutes, if I hit ten posts, can I reply anytime?
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The restrictions of time decreases as your post count increases... after 30 or so... its limit time is below 30 secs or so.. its very negligible.. it is kept such that due to network problems it shouldn't get reposted twice.. it has saved me many times from app
Believe me.. its for our own good..
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Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers.
The admin is not going to change the post count because 1 or 2 people cannot be patient enough to wait till they have the requested post count to be able to reply more than once within a minute. We all had to go through it so stop whining and get posting...
I have the same problem, now searching for topics where i can post a relevant reply
After that its waiting on a Moderator wo's in a good mood to give me the permission to post in topics where i want to post...
But i think its normal to make it 'hard' for the newbies, there are a lot of people who don't wanna use XDA for good purposes, but only for trolling people etc. etc.
Voila a post extra for me
Besides having to wait to post shows a small level of commitment to using the forums for what they are here for. Keep it up guys and maybe you wont have to wait so long
Everyone here should be banned for not having the right mindset
Rhas Al Ghul is dead
-DarkKnight- said:
Everyone here should be banned for not having the right mindset
Rhas Al Ghul is dead
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That would include you too as in "everybody here"
Now I will be included too... so, no!
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That would include you too as in "everybody here"
Now I will be included too... so, no!
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Well you know what people
Rhas Al Ghul is dead
For a long time I've been a 'silent' reader of the XDA-Forum.
Today I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.
As the question is quite important to me, I made up my mind and thought: well, then I've to write 10 posts in different forums, so I'm able to post the original question - does that make sense, I guess not?
Luckily I hit another restriction - as a new user you are only allowed to post every 5 minutes
So the question is, is it really necessary to have these strict posting restrictions (10 posts) on the development section?
You would be amazed by the amount of spammers and random posts we got away by these rules.
Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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Once you are past the restrictions, you'll find you can do anything. The reason for these restrictions is because the overarching majority of users who are new here refuse to follow the rules on posting. Therefore, the best way to deal with this is to restrict new users from posting in development areas, as these are the places new users tend to abuse with questions or stupid comments.
Once you're past the restrictions you'll find it's OK
oliman99 said:
...I wanted to post a question in the development section of a phone. Therefore I registered a new account for me, but unfortunately I was unable to post the question, as there is a restriction saying you need 10 posts before you were allowed to post in a development section.?
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This is exactly why these restrictions are in place. It is useful when joining a site to learn how it operates first. If you have a question it should go in the Q&A sections, not in Development.
If you post 10 useful and helpful posts then you should be able to move past the restrictions. Pleae don't be tempted to post spam as these posts will be deleted.
All that said, wlcome to XDA!
WB
I understand that these restrictions were put in place to keep spammers and the "of course i used search and googled it" away, but as being a long time silent observer and have tested roms before my first post and didn't feel the need to have someone hold my hand as I flashed away, I felt that I should inform the developers of the bugs I have found or to simply thank them.
But with these restrictions in place it meant I had to spam some threads to get to 10 posts which always kept me away. Well now I decided to get those 10 posts, registered and started (mildly) spamming. Up to three posts now.
What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
Just my two cents.
zer081 said:
What I'm trying to say is that with these restrictions you are also keeping away some people that know what they are doing (when it comes to flashing and testing roms) and don't feel the need to ask questions that have been answered many times before.
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If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.
The fact that you couldn't be bothered to search and find the other 1,000 threads here complaining about the very same thing is proof such restrictions are needed.
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If People know what they're doing then they should be posting with helpful replies instead of spamming. I bet 99% of the questions/comments from People who start these kinds of threads have already been raised on the original thread or is some noob like comment that doesn't need to be posted in the first place.
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What he said.
Anyone "kept away" by these restrictions is probably better off on another site anyway.
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I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.
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I went through the same exact frustration with the posting rules. When I read about making meaningful posts vs spam/non-helpful for the first 10 all I could think of was... "well, I want to make a meaningful post in regards to a particular rom in the development area, but to do so I have to find other avenues that could be helpful."
I've got no issue with the tight rules to keep spam down, but I imagine I would have above 50 posts right now in development areas but I always shrugged it off and made no reply, which is not helpful to anyone. Now I'm in the process of getting my posts so I can finally contribute.
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I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks
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I am a new member but I have been lurking for a while. I was just lazy to make an account but now that I want to get involved with helping developers clear up bugs I cant because I need at least 10 posts. kinda sucks
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If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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zacthespack said:
If you really need to contact a dev you could always pm him
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This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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wendys8 said:
This is true. I just need to up my post count to 10 I believe anyway so I will just blabber for now lol
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I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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zacthespack said:
I think your missing the point, your posts should be useful posts.
Try helping people in the general and QandA sections and not just writing pointless posts
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I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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I'm not missing the point, I understand what you are saying, I just believe I could be much more helpful in the development thread, and besides that's the reason I signed up. Not to be forced to go help somewhere I'm not interested in. I came to consult with others in a particular section of the forum specifically and i can't until I go somewhere else and post, that's all I'm trying to say. It's not a huge deal just don't think it necessarily helps me in this case. Although I could see some good reasons as to why they do this.
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The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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Well if you have a question it needs to go in the q/a section for your device. The development section is only for development, this is why the rules are in place to try and prevent stuff being posted in the wrong section
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
Prawesome said:
The 10 post rule is there for a cause.To prevent the spamming of dev section.
How can I post in dev section? Simple, you make 10 meaningful posts by helping others as zacthespack already stated.
If you can help others in the development section, then I am pretty sure you can do the same in the General and Q&A section also..And what is it that you want to consult in?
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i have a serious problem
Dear Sir
iam changing my phone sim 3times continue.
after that iam restarting my phone.
buy my phone hanged at samsung first screen,
after i am updating firm ware using odin.
but my phone not turn on.that is sucked at android factory reset window.
the error is cant unmount sdcard...etc
my phone model is samsung si9003
plz can you help me about my phone how to turn on as usual.
plz suggest me about upgrading.
or give any solution for me plz
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True, but for myself as a long time reader I have a bug to report on paranoidandroids recent beta. Instead of posting that observation, I find myself trolling forums looking for meaningful things to say to get my 10 posts. Its funny that dd-wrt forums don't have this restriction, and I don't see these spamming issues or silly restrictions. Basically I feel that the community on here is a bit sanctimonious and pompous.
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I don't get it. Why would I want to spend my time replying to someone in a Q&A section when they could look up the answer for themselves? That reminds me of students of mine asking a question that's answered in the book in bold text. Are we just enabling noobish people to remain noobs and not think through problems for themselves?
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dd probably doesn't have close to 5 million users either
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Well, time to close this one as it's just attracting people who want to make ten useless posts. Which will be deleted by the way.....
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