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Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving? And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
Thanks
Tamen said:
Hi everyone,
I have an unbranded DHD in the UK, and I'm running 2.2. Just did a check for updates and nothing. Any idea when gingerbread will be arriving?
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Already have 3 too many threads about that and don't wish to start another.
Tamen said:
And will I lose root and/or radio s-off? I love my root apps a lot Also not really a fan of custom roms atm as I don't have enough time to play with it if it doesn't work as expected straight away.
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You'll lose root. If you phone is still in a state that it can receive updates.
if you've rooted why not just flash a GB ROM? There are customised ones and even one that is just rooted.
Tamen said:
Also, what will I lose and keep in the update? Contacts? accounts? apps? App data?
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Seems people are saying that nothing was lost but back it all up anyway (yes, lots of apps to back up info, all already mentioned).
Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?
Tamen said:
Thanks for the swift reply - how do I know if my phone can receive updates? I've rooted with visionary and put radio s-off if that helps
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You should be ok. The actual state you can put a phone to and still receive the update is something I haven't been able to pinpoint yet. Certainly need a stock ROM.
Previous phones needed the stock recovery but I don't think that's the case here.
Tamen said:
The main reason I don't want to flash custom roms is that it starts become a lot more risky - things do go wrong and you see people bricking their phones. If I bricked my phone I wouldn't have a clue how to fix it and I can't afford the £75 excess on insurance to replace it if it couldn't be fixed, as HTC wouldn't replace it if I broke it trying to do root things to it. I've also read that the latest CWM is having problems?
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The time when you are most at risk of bricking your phone is rooting and flashing a radio.
Flashing a ROM is 99% risk free. You've done the risky bit.
Cheers - though I haven't flashed a radio I don't think (unless radio s-off is flashing a radio). It says in the how to install a rom guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=964996)
- Select "Install Zip from sdcard"
- Select "Choose zip from sdcard"
- Select full-wipe-1-3.zip (It's right under those folders)
- Confirm by selecting the Yes option in between those "NO"s
- Wait for it to finish
- DO NOT REBOOT!!! In case you were not aware, you now have no rom installed
If I somehow messed up or knocked the power button and rebooted, what happens? How do I then fix it? Is that a permanent brick?
Not a fan of that wipe.zip. You could do the less risky method first and use wipe from the recovery menu.
If you rebooted you MAY (unlikely) have a brick but more likely you'll just end up back at bootloader.
If something happens while the phone is installing the ROM then you might have a problem.
If the phone is bricked assume you will have to send it to HTC for repair (along with your best innocent "it was like that in the morning, honest" look.
You'll be fine. I'm sure. But know the risks.
Bottom line, don't knock it. It's quite hard to accidentally press the power button.
Haha claim innocence If they do look and say it's your fault, out of warrenty, how much do they charge? They don't have to replace anything, just presumably connect it to a htc computer and run some resets.
Does the phone stay connected throughout this process? What happens if it's not connected when run or becomes disconnected?
Sorry for all the questions, but I just really want to understand everything that happens. If able I'd much rather update to gingerbread then root with an updated visionary or equivalent, though how long that'll take to happen is anyone's guess :/
Unless the instructions say not to I'd leave it connected.
If the instructions say to remove something that means disconnecting the phone (such as swapping SD cards for example) and doesn't say re-insert the phone then don't (this is why you should always be 100% charged before you try these things).
If it is bricked, they will use there tool to get into the eMMC partition and re-install everything. It's unliekly (not happened yet) they will magically restore the phone and go "hold on, you did this".
Don't worry. Ask away (feel free to hit the thanks button IF I say anything useful).
Just to back track, it looks like your wanting to flash a ROM now. Is this a stock ROm or one of the beautiful customised ROM's like LeeDroid?
In a sec I'll thank every post on this thread, you've been really helpful (and patient!)
I heard about gingerbread updating and wondered if root would be lost with the update or if the update would even work at all. You suggested I get a gingerbread rom already rooted, and I said "aarrgh, I'm scared" The rest of the posts are you explaining things to me, though if possible I'd like to stick with official roms for the moment and then root it - will visionary work on 2.3?
No. You will need to use Gingerbreak which will involve downgrading the ROM first.
But to answer the question between the lines, if you update and lose root, all is not lost, it can be reclaimed.
[noob]But the Rom comes from OTA, so how can it be downgraded?[/noob]
But thanks, if root can be re-attained after the update, I'll wait till after the update before doing anything too fast
What you will have to do is take an old RUU, say version 1.32 and install that.
That then allows you to gain access to the required areas of the phone to give you root and anything else you wish (Engineering HBOOT (ENG S-OFF), Radio S-OFF etc.).
When you get to that stage and decide to root etc. you will kick yourself so hard for not doing it earlier
Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?
Tamen said:
Oh so gingerbread will remove root but not Eng or radio s-off? I'm at 1.32 at the moment so I should get engineering s off while I still can cause getting root in the future will be easier?
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It (The OTA GB ROM) will remove root if you already have it yes. I believe Radio S-OFF is safe. AS for ENG S-OFF (HBOOT) I'm afraid my memory is failing me but with root and Radio S-OFF it would be easy enough to redo ENG S-OFF.
Rooting etc. will only get harder with each update. Version 1.32 is the easiest of all to root and in fact most root / Radio S-OFF etc. threads start by saying "downgrade to 1.32"
[EDIT] Just re-read your post...
Yes, if you make plans now before the OTA update (still not convinced you will get it though) it will be easier in the future but the main one to worry about is Radio S-OFF. This is the easier of the two and IIRC the only one required should you get the OTA update and gain root (via GingerBreak) without having to downgrade first.
I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish
Tamen said:
I had root + radio s-off, just got ENG s-off too in-case it can't be done after the update. Hopefully this means after gingerbread re-rooting will be easy-ish
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Puts a huge grin on my face when someone just goes and does this....
But I really really really feel you can't stop now.
Ignoring that I don't think you will get the OTA update you have to now install a GB ROM. After what you have done, flashing a ROM is (relatively speaking) as safe as houses.
Go on!! Android Revolution HD (ARHD) is basically pure stock GB visually with a few goodies thrown in.
Top the day off and flash that ROM.
Do it!!!
Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom. I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe? Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms
Tamen said:
Getting ENG s-off was just as simple as getting radio s-off (which I did about a week ago) - I've just heard it's less 'reversable' for if ever you need to go back to stock so had avoided it
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Nope, just as reversible.
Tamen said:
The thing with me is that I my brain doesn't really consider things risky or safe based on other people being safe or risky, it's how many places there are to go wrong. One click apps like visionary are relatively safe I just feel a bit daunted by all the steps to flashing a rom.
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Put ROM on sdcard.
Boot to recovery.
wipe data and cache
install ROM
reboot
Get a brew and marvel and the wonderfulness of it all.
With ROM Manager it can be simpler still.
Tamen said:
I'll give OTA a chance, but if everyone else on UK unbranded goes "woohoo" and I just sit there like a lemon, I'll maybe start thinking about it
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When you start thinking about it install ROM Manager just to get ready.
Tamen said:
I've got exams coming up (I'm only 15) but if after this week there's no update I'll dedicate a couple of hours to putting a gingersense rom on my phone
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Schedule those hours in now. You WILL be flashing ROMs
Tamen said:
What's your preference? And why are there so many no-sense roms? Sense is amazing and is what in my opinion really sets HTC apart - lovely phones with a boosted UI. Why would you ever want to get rid of it?!
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Hee hee. I like Cyanogen (a non-sense ROM) - Will come back to that.
My favourite sense ROMs are LeeDroid by a long way, the guy is a star and the ROM is perfection; after that, Android Revolution HD which will probably be your choice as it's closer to stock than Lee's. Based on what you've said I go with ARHD but if you really want to play, have fun (overclocking etc.) and want your phone to make R2D2 noises when it boots then LeeDroid every time.
And you're right, the Sense UI (which only gets better) does set HTC apart but even without it, I'd only buy a HTC phone now (when I'm buying an Android phone).
Why not [email protected]
Two part answer. The first part is I'm a huge open source and Linux fan. Use Ubuntu on PC and Kubuntu on laptop and my first Android phone was THE first Android phone, the Google (T-Mobile) G1. As such I love Android so I want my phone to be just about Android with a few little extras and NO ONE does that better than Cyanogen. NO ONE.
I still have my G1 and I still love it. That's a vanilla Android phone.
Second part is about bloat. Yes, I do really really like Sense UI. As far as manufacturers bloat-ware goes NOTHING beats Sense UI. It's visually stunning and things like htcsense.com, the clock / weather widget that actually shows weather and that cool windscreen wiper thing and the whole seamless integration twix phone and social is beyond words.
But at the end of the day what is it? It's pretty. I don't use facebook. For twitter I prefer Twidroyd and Tweetdeck. I don't need a massive clock on my screen. I don't want apps and widget I'm not going to use. Before I could root my Hero and DHD I installed ADW.Launcher.
I'll tell you what it's about: Choice. I don't want three buttons along the bottom I want five. And because I have a Google Apps account, HTC Picasa add-on doesn't work (they looking into it) and that pisses me off.
I'm prattling on now.
I have LeeDroid and ARHD on my sdcard as NAND backups and every now and then I restore one (I think of it as almost "dual boot") and for the next 24 hours I'm back coo-ing over it all but then 24 hours later it just doesn't feel right so back to CM I go.
It's personal choice but I will say one thing (more), try CM7. If you don't like it fine but just try it. You'll miss the widgets at first but see how you feel about it.
I'll shut up now.
That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem? Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
Also, I edited the above post but was doing so after you'd posted this, so I'll put it here too:
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family. So feeling stupid I took it to the orange shop but no luck, so t-mobile, phones4u, O2, carphonewarehouse... loads, none could do it.
One guy told me to take it to a different orange shop and "ask for dean" - so I took it to him and he took it out the back of the shop and somehow did it. He said it just needed force (but clearly an amount nobody before or after him has been able to replicate), and that it was nothing like any other DHD he'd seen as they are usually stiff but do open, this was basically glued. So I better not get into a boot loop that holding down the power button won't fix, as if it's hard to play innocent when it's visibly stuck in a boot loop from custom roms
Tamen said:
That's great info, cheers I understand why now, but I do like my massive flip-over clock, regardless of how much battery it eats Also, htcsense.com has been a life saver once or twice when I've put it at home under a pile of papers or something and can't find it
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I made great use of that too, so simple, plress a button on the website and instant ring. An app called Where's my droid can do that but you need another phone to be able to send it a text.
Tamen said:
ARHD said there were problems with Rom Manager and wiping within it - is that still a problem?
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There used to be but I've never had a problem. But I like doing everything from recovery and that's works fine (from 3.0.2.6).
Tamen said:
Why do some roms need a different radio flashed? What actually is a different radio and why do you get problems with different roms and radios?
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It's that some ROM's have been tested using certain Radios and some devs are only willing to recommend Radios that have been tested.
A radio is the software that is responsible for wifi, network signal including data, bluetooth and GPS. It's just another something that is constantly being improved. Most radios will work with most roms but one radio might work great for person a and be rubbish for person b. This is because some networks and phone hardware (they do differ) don't respond as well as others to a certain radio. The radio is something you will will push (via fastboot commands) a lot (which is why you have Radio S-OFF) as you need to experiment.
Tamen said:
How long does it take between putting the rom on the sd card and actually having the rom installed with ROM Manager?
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Depends on ROM but on average about 5 minutes. It's not really any quicker than using recovery directly (ROM Manager is just a GUI for recovery) once you have done it a few times, it's just simpler.
Tamen said:
EDIT: When flashing a ROM, do you need to factory wipe?
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ALWAYS. And every time.
The only exception is if you're upgrading the same ROM but even then, depending on the upgrade you may still have to wipe. Most issues after flashing a ROM are due to not wiping at least the cache.
Tamen said:
Does mybackup root work across roms? I'd like some way of restoring all my contacts, accounts and apps
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Yes. Contacts are sync'd to Gmail so no worries there. Mybackup will backup SMS and MMS too.
Apps are a different matter. There is an option to Backup apps and app data to google servers which works 95% of the time. Titanium can do this too but in my experience is even more flakey. I still keep a list of all my apps just in case.
Tamen said:
EDIT2: Something I forgot about earlier; I can't open the compartment to take out my battery, so when there's a solution that says "take out battery, try again", it wouldn't work as I physically cannot take the compartment off to get to the battery. When my phone arrived and I needed to take it off to remove the wrapper on the battery, but I couldn't do it and neither could anyone in my family [snip]
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That battry door is ****, no two ways about it. It does require a lot of force and you have to be brave with it. But as you say, hopefully you won't need to worry about it.
hi I'm pretty new to the android os and I'm thinking about jailbreaking my HTC one x (tegra) to get jellybean, which im sick of waiting for and to get better performance. the thing is, iv read/watched a lot of guides on how to jailbreak/flash the one x and there is some confusing points and points in which the guides contradicts themselves. so just a few questions:
can you revert back to factory settings at any point? iv read in some guides that its impossible, I can't see why though?
what exactly is a ruu? is it the equivalent to a bios? is hboot a ruu?
I know that it is possible to brick your phone if you delete the ruu (hence why you use clockworkmod) but it seems stupid that the phone won't even know how to charge itself, is it that easy to brick?
iv heard that you can update the kernal, what's the advantage of doing this?
any tips on what to do and avoid when doing this, we all have to start somewhere
iv been using this as a main reference for the Rom I'm wanting to use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601543
thanks in advance
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hi I'm pretty new to the android os and I'm thinking about jailbreaking my HTC one x (tegra) to get jellybean, which im sick of waiting for and to get better performance. the thing is, iv read/watched a lot of guides on how to jailbreak/flash the one x and there is some confusing points and points in which the guides contradicts themselves. so just a few questions:
can you revert back to factory settings at any point? iv read in some guides that its impossible, I can't see why though?
what exactly is a ruu? is it the equivalent to a bios? is hboot a ruu?
I know that it is possible to brick your phone if you delete the ruu (hence why you use clockworkmod) but it seems stupid that the phone won't even know how to charge itself, is it that easy to brick?
iv heard that you can update the kernal, what's the advantage of doing this?
any tips on what to do and avoid when doing this, we all have to start somewhere
iv been using this as a main reference for the Rom I'm wanting to use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1601543
thanks in advance
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a RUU is a leaked official version of an update, it is like a custom rom but it is stock and from HTC... when you buy an HTC phone it has certain RUU installed on it.
jailbreak is for iphones (which everyone here should hate), use the word "root" and "S-OFF" and "unlocked bootloader" when you are using an android phone
you can revert back to stock only if the RUU that you're on it has already been leaked.
the HOX is very very hard to brick! but sometimes i see cases of soft-brick which is easy to solve by the way.
our phone unfortunately doesn't have S-OFF (like almost every HTC phone out there except for the ONE X) so every time you flash a rom you have to flash the corresponding boot.img which contains important file to let your phone run with a certain custom rom.
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a RUU is a leaked official version of an update, it is like a custom rom but it is stock and from HTC... when you buy an HTC phone it has certain RUU installed on it.
jailbreak is for iphones (which everyone here should hate), use the word "root" and "S-OFF" and "unlocked bootloader" when you are using an android phone
you can revert back to stock only if the RUU that you're on it has already been leaked.
the HOX is very very hard to brick! but sometimes i see cases of soft-brick which is easy to solve by the way.
our phone unfortunately doesn't have S-OFF (like almost every HTC phone out there except for the ONE X) so every time you flash a rom you have to flash the corresponding boot.img which contains important file to let your phone run with a certain custom rom.
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Thanks for the swift reply, sorry I called it that, I had a iPhone for years but I ended up hating it(just it as a mp3 player now lol).
Well I currently havent done anything to my one x so its stock, but what I'm saying/asking is, surely I can just load a stock Rom and bootloader and be back to square one?
And as for the rom/boot.IMG I can see why it is a bit more complicated. So what's, in your opinion, the biggest reason to/you've flashed from stock?
Thanks again!
There is no way for 100% back to stock (for now). Unlocking bootloader voids your warranty.
Why unlock and flash cutom rom? - Custom roms are far better than stock, better performance, longer battery life... no limit of customizing your phone.
The downside for me is only loosing warranty.
almostrodney said:
Thanks for the swift reply, sorry I called it that, I had a iPhone for years but I ended up hating it(just it as a mp3 player now lol).
Well I currently havent done anything to my one x so its stock, but what I'm saying/asking is, surely I can just load a stock Rom and bootloader and be back to square one?
And as for the rom/boot.IMG I can see why it is a bit more complicated. So what's, in your opinion, the biggest reason to/you've flashed from stock?
Thanks again!
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because every phone i buy (android of course) will get rooted! custom roms are awesome, and nerdy
So once you unlock your bootloader and put a new Rom on you loose your warrenty because you can't revert and hide the fact that's what you did?
Hmm I don't know if I should mess with this then, I would but iv not long got my phone back from warranty because of the hardware WiFi issue.
Can anyone really sell to me why I should flash? I mean I'm interested in doing it.
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So once you unlock your bootloader and put a new Rom on you loose your warrenty because you can't revert and hide the fact that's what you did?
Hmm I don't know if I should mess with this then, I would but iv not long got my phone back from warranty because of the hardware WiFi issue.
Can anyone really sell to me why I should flash? I mean I'm interested in doing it.
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yes, you can't hide, once you have unlocked, that you have voided your warranty... you won't ever have something as stable and fast as custom roms, that's why you should root and unlock your phone
right so better proformace and better battery, is there anything else you root for? i mean what does everyone else root for, for that matter?? i mean i keep looking at my phone and thinking. Hmmm should i, shouldent i? lol
Helo Guyz!!
I bought a new HTC One m8 a couple of days ago. I've made a call when I bought it, so the sim card was working earlier. I rooted it using "HTC M8 ALL IN ONE V2.0" yesterday so that I can restore the apps+app data via Titanium BackUp from my old Xperia Z. Just turned on my Rooted M8 and it doesn't recieve signals. It shows an icon with a simcard followed by an exclamation mark. Tried my brother's sim, no change!! Made a Factory reset(It didn't Unroot) still no change.
Please help me Guyz!!! Thanks.
I might have unlocked the bootloader while rooting as it was a necessary step in the TUT(All in one tool).
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Helo Guyz!!
I bought a new HTC One m8 a couple of days ago. I've made a call when I bought it, so the sim card was working earlier. I rooted it using "HTC M8 ALL IN ONE V2.0" yesterday so that I can restore the apps+app data via Titanium BackUp from my old Xperia Z. Just turned on my Rooted M8 and it doesn't recieve signals. It shows an icon with a simcard followed by an exclamation mark. Tried my brother's sim, no change!! Made a Factory reset(It didn't Unroot) still no change.
Please help me Guyz!!! Thanks.
I might have unlocked the bootloader while rooting as it was a necessary step in the TUT(All in one tool).
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Unlocking the bootloader wouldn't affect your device in any means except factory resetting it.
Maybe the tool you used changed the radio? That's the only thing I can think of. Try flashing a different radio
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I might have unlocked the bootloader while rooting as it was a necessary step in the TUT(All in one tool).
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You don't even know if you unlocked the bootloader? This is one of the big reasons why toolkits and step-by-step tutorials are a bad idea. You are modding your phone with absolutely no understanding of the primary concepts, or what you have even done with your phone. Although the no signal issue doesn't seem related to your lack of knowledge, I'd still recommend you slow down and do more learning and research before messing with the phone anymore, unless you want to risk permanent damage to the device.
Also, all a factory reset does is wipe user data, and doesn't affect the system in any way.
As mentioned in the previous response, simply unlocking the bootloader should not have resulted in no signal.
Are you presently s-on or s-off? You should list step by step what you've done to the phone. Still on the stock ROM, or otherwise? Did you try to restore any system data with Titanium? How precisely did you root the phone after unlocking the bootloader? What recovery and version?
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You don't even know if you unlocked the bootloader? This is one of the big reasons why toolkits and step-by-step tutorials are a bad idea. You are modding your phone with absolutely no understanding of the primary concepts, or what you have even done with your phone. Although the no signal issue doesn't seem related to your lack of knowledge, I'd still recommend you slow down and do more learning and research before messing with the phone anymore, unless you want to risk permanent damage to the device.
Also, all a factory reset does is wipe user data, and doesn't affect the system in any way.
As mentioned in the previous response, simply unlocking the bootloader should not have resulted in no signal.
Are you presently s-on or s-off? You should list step by step what you've done to the phone. Still on the stock ROM, or otherwise? Did you try to restore any system data with Titanium? How precisely did you root the phone after unlocking the bootloader? What recovery and version?
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Sorry brother. I thought I was clear. Here is what I did to my phone. I followed this up. Get token, submit it, download a file which was sent via email and use it to unlock the bootloader. Root it at last using the perm root command in the tool itself.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2699065
I haven't done anything to the phone after rooting it. No titanium restores.. Nothing. I would want to relock the bootloader want to relock the bootloader using the same tool. Is it safer? Does it makes it normal again? Do I get my warranty then? Does it wipes all the data if I lock bootloader after restoring my apps with titanium backup?
Please help guyz!!
Kunnu2592 said:
I would want to relock the bootloader want to relock the bootloader using the same tool. Is it safer? Does it makes it normal again? Does it wipes all the data if I lock bootloader after restoring my apps with titanium backup?
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Nothing you did should have caused the no signal issue (simply unlocking the bootloader and rooting shouldn't have caused that). So its hard to say what would fix it.
You can try to re-install the stock ROM. Or try to relock the bootloader and see what happens.
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Does it wipes all the data if I lock bootloader after restoring my apps with titanium backup?
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Not sure, but I believe relocking the bootloader will wipe data. So backup anything important before doing so.
redpoint73 said:
Nothing you did should have caused the no signal issue (simply unlocking the bootloader and rooting shouldn't have caused that). So its hard to say what would fix it.
You can try to re-install the stock ROM. Or try to relock the bootloader and see what happens.
Not sure, but I believe relocking the bootloader will wipe data. So backup anything important before doing so.
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Okay bro... I would try that and be bck!!
ThanQ ?
brichardson1991 said:
Unlocking the bootloader wouldn't affect your device in any means except factory resetting it.
Maybe the tool you used changed the radio? That's the only thing I can think of. Try flashing a different radio
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Idk what Radio is and how to change it. Is it some code that makes the signal receiver work? I just followed a guide and didn't miss any steps. Please enlighten me about it so that I could try something out. ThanQ brother.
Kunnu2592 said:
Idk what Radio is and how to change it. Is it some code that makes the signal receiver work? I just followed a guide and didn't miss any steps. Please enlighten me about it so that I could try something out.
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You didn't answer my question whether you were S-off or S-on. But as you didn't mention it in the steps you performed, you are probably still s-on. That being the case its also likely the radio wasn't modified by anything you did (s-off is needed to write to the radio partition); and on the same note, you can't do anything to that partition now unless you s-off.
I'd go with my previous recommendations for now, and see how that goes before doing more.
Maybe a silly question, but toggling airplane more or rebooting the phone doesn't have any affect on the no signal condition?
Maybe it's not making proper contact in the tray? Tried to remove it and readjust it a bit and put it back? I recall someone mentioning a similar problem months ago and when I read up on it it seemed to be a problem with the Hox as well where they used to put some tape on the back of the sim and put it back in the tray. They did this to "thicken" it a bit so it can get pressed down properly on the circuitry?
Just throwing out my 2cents here...
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Maybe it's not making proper contact in the tray? Tried to remove it and readjust it a bit and put it back? I recall someone mentioning a similar problem months ago and when I read up on it it seemed to be a problem with the Hox as well where they used to put some tape on the back of the sim and put it back in the tray. They did this to "thicken" it a bit so it can get pressed down properly on the circuitry?
Just throwing out my 2cents here...
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That's certainly worth exploring as well. It seems like too much a coincidence that this issue occurred right after unlocking the bootloader and rooting. But on the other hand, its odd as such modifications should not have caused the no signal issue.
redpoint73 said:
That's certainly worth exploring as well. It seems like too much a coincidence that this issue occurred right after unlocking the bootloader and rooting. But on the other hand, its odd as such modifications should not have caused the no signal issue.
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Heh, to quote one of my favourite quotes from xxxHolic: There is no such thing as a coincidence in this world, there is only the inevitable.
Could be radio though as well. I went to do a search for this issue and found some of the old threads where they flashed radios, restored the nandroid backup etc.
But perhaps that's something that the OP can look into as well and learn some stuff.
htc one m8 sim card error site:forum.xda-developers.com In google returned many results.
[Q] Sim Card detection Error (m8)
HTC One (M8) Won't recognize Sim Card
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brichardson1991 said:
Unlocking the bootloader wouldn't affect your device in any means except factory resetting it.
Maybe the tool you used changed the radio? That's the only thing I can think of. Try flashing a different radio
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Nothing you did should have caused the no signal issue (simply unlocking the bootloader and rooting shouldn't have caused that). So its hard to say what would fix it.
You can try to re-install the stock ROM. Or try to relock the bootloader and see what happens.
Not sure, but I believe relocking the bootloader will wipe data. So backup anything important before doing so.
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It is S-on. My brother have the same phone and when I checked for his radio version in boot loader screen, Its something like "INVALID_VER_INFO" but my device shows a version number "RADIO-1.19.21331147A1.09G". We've bought both phones recently. His phone is untouched where as I messed up my device just for the apps and app data. I fee terrible now. Please help me to undo everything. I guess I cant even take it to the HTC service center as it says "TAMPERED" and "RELOCKED" banners on top of the bootloader screen.
I've used up all my savings on this device and it seems its wasted now.
Pease help me guyz... :crying:
Kunnu2592 said:
We've bought both phones recently. His phone is untouched where as I messed up my device just for the apps and app data. I fee terrible now. Please help me to undo everything.
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You've been given several suggestions to try at this point, and haven't indicated whether you attempted them or not.
You can cry all you want. But if you fail to even try to help yourself, we can't help you either.
Kunnu2592 said:
I guess I cant even take it to the HTC service center as it says "TAMPERED" and "RELOCKED" banners on top of the bootloader screen.
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If you are talking about a warranty claim, warranty doesn't cover damage done by mods you performed. When you chose to unlock the bootloader and root the phone, you accepted all responsibility for any damage that might occur. This is the game we play. If you can't afford to repair or replace the phone in the event of permanent damage done by mods you did; then you shouldn't be modding it in the first place.
If you are talking about paying HTC to fix it, they will still do it if its been tampered. They will likely replace the mainboard and charge you for it.
But honestly, I think your condition can be fixed by software; and sending to HTC is not necessary. But you have to be willing to put in the effort.
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You've been given several suggestions to try at this point, and haven't indicated whether you attempted them or not.
You can cry all you want. But if you fail to even try to help yourself, we can't help you either.
If you are talking about a warranty claim, warranty doesn't cover damage done by mods you performed. When you chose to unlock the bootloader and root the phone, you accepted all responsibility for any damage that might occur. This is the game we play. If you can't afford to repair or replace the phone in the event of permanent damage done by mods you did; then you shouldn't be modding it in the first place.
If you are talking about paying HTC to fix it, they will still do it if its been tampered. They will likely replace the mainboard and charge you for it.
But honestly, I think your condition can be fixed by software; and sending to HTC is not necessary. But you have to be willing to put in the effort.
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Hieee bro..
I've relocked the bootloader and it doesn't help. There was no change. I tried to place a thin paper on back of the sim card to make a better connection. It still doesn't work. It now says TAMPERED and RELOCKED(after relocking the bootloader). I installed a stock firmware and it didn't solved the problem too.
I read endless posts but found nothing that can help the situation. Just waiting for help from my thread.
I want to try restoring my brother's backup. But is it possible to make a complete system backup to flash into my device without rooting? I don't want to mess his device too....
Thank you.
Kunnu2592 said:
I want to try restoring my brother's backup. But is it possible to make a complete system backup to flash into my device without rooting? I don't want to mess his device too....
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Nope.
Nor will doing so yield anything that isn't already easily available here (so don't bother unlocking bootloader and rooting his phone just to help your own situation, its a waste of time): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
Restore the appropriate stock ROM, and see if that helps.
redpoint73 said:
Nope.
Nor will doing so yield anything that isn't already easily available here (so don't bother unlocking bootloader and rooting his phone just to help your own situation, its a waste of time): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2701376
Restore the appropriate stock ROM, and see if that helps.
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Yeahhh bro.. Ua right. I'll try a Stock Rom again and will be bck wid the result.
Thanks for ua help
The question is pretty much straight
Why does HTC S-On the devices when they allow us to unlock bootloader?
HTC says that the main idea of unlocking bootloader is that you can unleash our own phone.
Why can't they just S-OFF the devices when unlocking the bootloader ?
Can anyone fill me in
Thanks
MJ999 said:
The question is pretty much straight
Why does HTC S-On the devices when they allow us to unlock bootloader?
HTC says that the main idea of unlocking bootloader is that you can unleash our own phone.
Why can't they just S-OFF the devices when unlocking the bootloader ?
Can anyone fill me in
Thanks
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S-off opens up access to pretty much everything and so allows more control. With that are the risks of totally bricking your device. Staying S-on still gives you some protection from mucking things up and the freedom to flash roms/recoveries/kernels.
I agree though, as people are responsible for their actions and so must know the consequences of modding their devices, they should just give another level of access to remove s-off. The warranty is void once you unlock the bootloader anyway.
More info around s-off/NAND/partitions etc:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2619392
gsmyth said:
S-off opens up access to pretty much everything and so allows more control. With that are the risks of totally bricking your device. Staying S-on still gives you some protection from mucking things up and the freedom to flash roms/recoveries/kernels.
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Now I simply voided my phone's warranty without any use.
Damn it HTC.
MJ999 said:
Now I simply voided my phone's warranty without any use.
Damn it HTC.
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How did you unlock it? Do you have s-off?
MJ999 said:
Now I simply voided my phone's warranty without any use.
Damn it HTC.
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Use sunshine to get s-off.
MJ999 said:
The question is pretty much straight
Why does HTC S-On the devices when they allow us to unlock bootloader?
HTC says that the main idea of unlocking bootloader is that you can unleash our own phone.
Why can't they just S-OFF the devices when unlocking the bootloader ?
Can anyone fill me in
Thanks
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You can still unleash some of your phone by just unlocking, which is probably why they gave the option. You can still flash a custom recovery, you can still root, you can still flash custom ROMs.
S-OFF you can flash different firmwares, you can resize partitions, you can convert to other models. Why would the majority want these? And by the looks of some of these threads, why would even some of the majority of "flashers" need it? Root + Custom Recovery + Custom ROM should be enough to satisfy most.
S-ON then just protects the phone from more serious changes that might lead to more serious damage if *you* don't know what *you're* doing.
BerndM14 said:
You can still unleash some of your phone by just unlocking, which is probably why they gave the option. You can still flash a custom recovery, you can still root, you can still flash custom ROMs.
S-OFF you can flash different firmwares, you can resize partitions, you can convert to other models. Why would the majority want these? And by the looks of some of these threads, why would even some of the majority of "flashers" need it? Root + Custom Recovery + Custom ROM should be enough to satisfy most.
S-ON then just protects the phone from more serious changes that might lead to more serious damage if *you* don't know what *you're* doing.
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This
When you are S-on/BL locked, your carrier (or HTC/Google) is your system administrator. The carriers take this a bit further, and even manage some of your apps. In a lot of ways, you are a guest on the system, even though you "own" it. However, assuming you just want to use it to make phone calls and post to facebook, for most people this is fine. (my wife's phone isn't even rooted)
When you are BL unlocked, you take over some parts of that sysadmin job, and can now replace parts of the operating system and manage your own apps. You can also disable external control of your device by rooting and turning off certain services. However, the truly critical stuff, the stuff that could keep your phone from booting, are outside of your control. You are now no longer a guest, but you aren't exactly an owner either.
When you S-off, you are taking on the job of being the system administrator entirely. You are 100% responsible for what happens to your phone. Your '44, your Magnum rounds, your foot. Be careful.
gsmyth said:
How did you unlock it? Do you have s-off?
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I unlocked my bootloader.
No, I don't have S-OFF
KJ said:
Use sunshine to get s-off.
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You can still unleash some of your phone by just unlocking, which is probably why they gave the option. You can still flash a custom recovery, you can still root, you can still flash custom ROMs.
S-OFF you can flash different firmwares, you can resize partitions, you can convert to other models. Why would the majority want these? And by the looks of some of these threads, why would even some of the majority of "flashers" need it? Root + Custom Recovery + Custom ROM should be enough to satisfy most.
S-ON then just protects the phone from more serious changes that might lead to more serious damage if *you* don't know what *you're* doing.
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I know about it, but I just want the H/K Mod, I don't think I need to spend 25 bucks for just the mod.
If anything better comes up, I will try sunshine
and during the meantime some devs might also find another way to S-Off hopefully.
But @BerndM14 don't you think HTC should have asked to you choose S-On or S-OFF when unlocking the bootloader or so ?
MJ999 said:
I unlocked my bootloader.
No, I don't have S-OFF
I know about it, but I just want the H/K Mod, I don't think I need to spend 25 bucks for just the mod.
If anything better comes up, I will try sunshine
and during the meantime some devs might also find another way to S-Off hopefully.
But @BerndM14 don't you think HTC should have asked to you choose S-On or S-OFF when unlocking the bootloader or so ?
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You wont' hear any arguments from me about that, I've made a post about that ages ago in which I stated that manufacturers should give you the option to have your phone rooted, unlocked and in HTC's case S-OFF, if it's a warranty issue then why not just a bit more for warranty purposes, but we still need the choice. Will they ever do something like that? I doubt they'll do anything like that any time soon but it would be nice and I've said so a long time ago already.
Especially as far as development on the devices are concerned. I don't see why they would share the Kernel source to allow developers to develop for the phone while at the same time expecting the developer to just hack away at the device in order to get the necessary permissions to develop for the device!
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You wont' hear any arguments from me about that, I've made a post about that ages ago in which I stated that manufacturers should give you the option to have your phone rooted, unlocked and in HTC's case S-OFF, if it's a warranty issue then why not just a bit more for warranty purposes, but we still need the choice. Will they ever do something like that? I doubt they'll do anything like that any time soon but it would be nice and I've said so a long time ago already.
Especially as far as development on the devices are concerned. I don't see why they would share the Kernel source to allow developers to develop for the phone while at the same time expecting the developer to just hack away at the device in order to get the necessary permissions to develop for the device!
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Thank the GPL for that last one. Android is essentially a very custom distro of Linux, and the Linux community has already shown that they will go after violators. It's how the Linksys WRT54G became the WIFI router to own. IOW, they release it because they have to, but they don't have to make it easy, or usable.
We have seen with the Samsung and LG devices that it is possible to lock down a device fully such that it won't boot anything that isn't cryptographically signed. They will do as little as necessary to comply with the license, without giving us the ability to actually use that knowledge. After all, what good is kernel source if you don't have a signing key the CPU will accept?
That is the primary reason I chose the M8. It was one of the few flagship phones that is still able to be fully owned.
some help pls?
That depends on what you are trying to do. You can use fastboot commands in bootloader-fastboot mode; which will still work even if OS and recovery are not accessible. But anything more (such as adb, storage access) you will need at least recovery.
What is the current condition of the phone, what were you trying to do, or want to do, etc.?
redpoint73 said:
That depends on what you are trying to do. You can use fastboot commands in bootloader-fastboot mode; which will still work even if OS and recovery are not accessible. But anything more (such as adb, storage access) you will need at least recovery.
What is the current condition of the phone, what were you trying to do, or want to do, etc.?
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Thanks for willingness to help,i was already solving the problem.I went to a specialized server,and they repair it.
morrientes99 said:
Thanks for willingness to help,i was already solving the problem.I went to a specialized server,and they repair it.
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That's too bad. You probably spent money to fix something we could have helped you with, for free.
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That's too bad. You probably spent money to fix something we could have helped you with, for free.
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was not so bad..i was also replacing the battery and usb connector,so now looks like new..unfortunately they didnt install Android 7.0,but im afraid to try to do it
morrientes99 said:
unfortunately they didnt install Android 7.0,but im afraid to try to do it
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Sounds like you haven't modded the phone before? No need to be afraid in my opinion. You won't brick (or otherwise damage) the device by unlocking the bootloader, installing custom recovery, and flashing a custom ROM. And the process is almost entirely reversible, with the slight exception of the fact that the bootloader will only ever say UNLOCKED or RELOCKED; versus LOCKED (stock condition). But this is almost entirely irrelevant, as RELOCKED is functionally the same as LOCKED, aside from the possibility that RELOCKED voids the warranty (indicates the phone was bootloader unlocked) but the huge majority of M8 devices don't have warranty at this point, as the phone is going on 3 years old.
Just be sure to properly read and understand the process before you start, don't use outdated methods, backup any personal data before bootloader unlock, and be sure to make a backup of your current stock ROM before flashing the new ROM. Also understand how to recover from problems, such as restoring a TWRP backup, etc.
Do the necessary due diligence before you start, and modding the phone will go just fine.