As most of the config are same is there any possibility we can port one x + battery in to our one x by changing the case or by using the same case. That's the only one I need from one x +
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As most of the config are same is there any possibility we can port one x + battery in to our one x by changing the case or by using the same case. That's the only one I need from one x +
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It depends. If the battery isn't the same size then no it isn't going to be possible as physically it will not fit.
Even if the same size, the charging circuit may not fully charge the battery so the extra capacity isn't realised easily in the current model.
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Phil
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Even if the same size, the charging circuit may not fully charge the battery so the extra capacity isn't realised easily in the current model.
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That's not how battery charging works. It would charge fine.
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That's not how battery charging works. It would charge fine.
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Not if the maximum voltage for a full charge is different. Typically lithium ion charges to 4.1 to 4.2 volt depending on the battery and design, the lower full charge voltage will favour longevity over capacity, the higher voltage utilises the full capacity of the cell but stresses the cell more lowering it's life time.
If the HTC One X+ battery is designed to be pushed to a slightly higher voltage to achieve the higher capacity fully, and/or being allowed to drop to a lower voltage during it's duty to get the extra, then the charging circuitry in the HTC One X will not realise the full extra capacity, it will charge fine, but the extra capacity will not be seen.
If the max/min duty voltages are the same, then it will charge just fine to full capacity, assuming the data connections are identical between the cell and the phone that is. However in this case it is more likely the extra capacity is then achieved by a bigger battery, so it will not fit. The FCC information already shows a different placement arrangement for the antennas so the internals are arranged differently and what we are probably looking at is a slightly bigger battery.
Another issue if it fits and works is the charging will take longer. For safety the charging circuit in the phone has a safety timer calibrated to work with the original battery, if the charging takes longer than expected (as it would with the higher capacity battery) the charging is halted to avoid the potential for an explosion, so unless this timer is also changed, or is set automatically by data supplied from the inbuilt battery protection circuit, it might prove problematic charging the higher capacity battery, especially from flat to full, as the safety timer will terminate the charge before the battery is fully charged.
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Phil
I strongly suspect that the charge voltage is the same and any timer is unlikely to kick in as it will have plenty of headroom.
The difference is most likely due to physical size or perhaps an improved charge density.
We can order one x+ battery and case if it charges well and works good right . Are you sure it won't works ?
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I strongly suspect that the charge voltage is the same and any timer is unlikely to kick in as it will have plenty of headroom.
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I have doubts that htc will make the battery interchangeable as they would suspect that one x owners would attempt a battery swap.
Anyhow the battery will not be, at least theoretically, interchangeable, as you aren't supposed to open the housing.
So that wouldn't be a worry.
Phil, what you say regarding a timer is total nonsense.... If u keep your phone plugged in and play a game in the meantime, charging can take also the whole day, because you're using the battery in the meantime.. BUT it is charging!! Charging does not interrupt after a specified amount of time..
What the phone, and also any other phone has, is a circuit which is stopping the charge when battery is full. How does it know the battery is full? This circuit is not in the phone but in the battery
Regarding the charging voltages and so - again nonsense... The voltage of a battery is fixed. It does not vary at all or if it does it is a measuring error. Nor does the charging voltage. This is again fixed.
(of course nothing is perfect, they can vary, but with 1% or even less, must be a tolerable error.)
When charging a battery what may vary and it depends on the charger is the electrical current's intensity (measured in amperes).
Putting a battery with a higher capacity in the phone will have the following results:
1. Longer battery life
2. Slower charge
But if the battery has the same voltage (and i think it does) it will work, and it will charge fully!!
Most probably htc is using the same voltage on all their phones...
If this is true, the only thing that could stop us from changing the battery will be the form factor of it....
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Charging lithium ion batteries is two phase; firstly, constant current, where the voltage is variable, and then constant voltage, where the current is variable.
Thx mate well still... From experience with other phones where i changed my battery- i don't think the charging process will be an issue... Usually a manufacturer uses the same process of charging with all phones or at least similar models.... I swapped li-ion batteries with li-pol and had no issue at all
So if form factor will be the same, in my opinion it will work!
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i was just wondering if we can modify the battery.. what i mean is to operate device with the Li-ion batteries that arent for excalibur.. like batteries designed for nokia having same VDC but higher mAh... is it possible? or will it b of no use.. has any one tried this type of stuff before?
yes
it possible
you can modified NOkia BL-5c with excalibur batery
some people do it in Viet Nam
i'm not good at English so i can talk about it clearly
if you use batrere with a more current(mAh) that will create excess heat in the device, while the problem of voltage (VDC) is up to you is still within the limits of tolerance of the Voltage original battery
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if you use batrere with a more current(mAh) that will create excess heat in the device, while the problem of voltage (VDC) is up to you is still within the limits of tolerance of the Voltage original battery
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but there are 1500mAh battery for excalibur.. does that means tht if we use such battery it will heat the device????
can u explain further????
Any Li.Ion battery will do it. It is also safe to charge it - as normally the chargers are adjusting their charge current by the voltage of the battery. This is linked to chemistry (Li.Ion) and this is identical for all such batteries. The Capacity in mAh does not matter for charging (it just takes longer) - there are also extended capacity batteries available and they are equally safe to use.
Possibly the temperature sensor in the batteries maybe different e.g. for Nokia so the device may refuse to charge it (thinking it is "too hot" - or "invalid") - you will need to try out or rely on reports who have succeeded already. You MUST(!) take care that polarity is identical (+ and -) for a replacement, otherwise you may ruin the device, battery or even your health.
Wanting more battery life and having reading a few positive reviews about the Gold 3500, I got one from Amazon (UK). The numbers 3500 vs 2500 mah indicate I should get around 40% extra battery life compared to stock but having played with RC cars and helicopters running LiPo packs I know that pack ratings aren't everything.
Actual battery capacity depends on the discharge rate, the more juice you pull the less the effective battery capacity you get with a lot of energy wasted in heat due to internal battery resistance. Fact of life with batteries of all chemistry.
My original battery is about 6 months old now, charged daily from anywhere between 0-50% remaining. In day to day use the Gold does seem to last longer based on my 6 months experience with the original battery but how much better is it?
I charged the batteries in my phone and turned the phone off once it hit 100% but kept the charger on as it seemed to charge for a bit longer.
Using my RC battery charger, I used the discharge function setting the low voltage cut off to 3V (standard for lithium batteries) and set the discharge rate at a constant 300 mah. Using a constant discharge rate may not be realistic but it does allow for a fair comparison, keep in mind that our phones power usage jumps up and down depending on use.
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6 month old stock battery rated at 2500 mah = 2364 mah (which is what I would expect from a battery with 180 cycles on it)
Brand new Gold 3500 rated at 3500 mah = 2524 mah (a bit disappointing but at least as good as a new stock battery)
Now the discharge rate can make a big difference to effective battery capacity, it might be that the 3500 mah rating on the Gold batteries was determined using a very low discharge rate or they discharged it to below 3V.....or its just a gold wrapper over a stock battery
Interesting to note that the stock Sammy battery is pretty true to its rated capacity, so the perceived increase in battery capacity I experienced with the Gold battery is probably just the difference between a 6 month old battery and a new one.
Oh well, at least I have a spare battery now and didn't pay a fortune for the Gold. The Gold does seem to last a bit longer than the 6 month old stock on so I am happy enough with it.
Notes:
Gold battery had been in use for 2 weeks to run it in
Only one discharge cycle was performed
Could be that I have a dud battery, you results may differ
In real day to day use the discharge properties of the Gold may result in a higher 'effective' capacity
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Fairies do live at the end of your garden :cyclops:
It's a shame i've read this post only two days after buying me one of those. Anyway, even if it won't last longer, i'd still have a spare battery right? So everything is not lost
nope, its a shame they rate it 3500mah if this is the case for all.
Mignon, maybe your can get a replacement from thrm and test again. Especially if you have a dud.
Do notice I notoce a significant increase in battery life after charging it past 100%. Probably placebo, I dont know.
Don't think I have a dud, in my experience lion batteries either work or don't. It's not a crap battery, it's just as good as stock but doesn't match the advertised 3500 mah rating.
And it's shiny gold so things aren't that bad
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Well that sucks.....haha...i order a gold a week ago.....it should be here soon.....
I got 3500mah gold battery. I review it.
My rom is ultimate rom v5.1, and my stock battery was 11 months old.
Screen on time was always less than 4 hours.
Yesterday I got the gold battery, and I used it up to 1% without first charge, then I charged it 12 hours to initilize the battery.
So unpluged the charge, and tested it as the same usage. I always downclocked to 1000MHz, wifi on, no use 3g data, brightness is zero, bluetooth and gps is off. I downloaded 15 files and apps today, listened to music, did multi windows function, and almost used web browsing.
Now my battery is just 1%. Screen on time is over 5 and half hours. Obviously the battery was improved.
If official JB are released, the battery will be improved more.
But this is not made in Japan. This is made in China because Japanese is so strange on package.
Some of Chinese battery are so dangerous and may be fake, but this gold battery is good one.
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I'm satisfied with this.
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Don't think I have a dud, in my experience lion batteries either work or don't. It's not a crap battery, it's just as good as stock but doesn't match the advertised 3500 mah rating.
And it's shiny gold so things aren't that bad
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I dropped my stock and it works perfectly till 55% then it dies. Gonna throw it away soon. So some of the cells could be damaged. Its not either they work or dont m8.
@Mingnon thanks for your effortful tests.
@eeynjae, what are all apps spreading around those icons in your notification bar ?
I am pretty sure most mobile 3.7v phone batteries are single cell, only the mugen styled battery extender jobs that require a different back cover run two cells in parallel.
Remaining capacity is usually just a function of cell voltage so it's strange that it should just tank at 55%. Battery protection circuits generally prevent discharge past 3.0 volts so not sure what it's going on there.
Either way it sounds like you need a new battery, wouldn't risk recharging a damaged cell...
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I am pretty sure most mobile 3.7v phone batteries are single cell, only the mugen styled battery extender jobs that require a different back cover run two cells in parallel.
Remaining capacity is usually just a function of cell voltage so it's strange that it should just tank at 55%. Battery protection circuits generally prevent discharge past 3.0 volts so not sure what it's going on there.
Either way it sounds like you need a new battery, wouldn't risk recharging a damaged cell...
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yeah its strange. Stuff started to happen at 50, whrn restarting bat percentage dropped to 10-15%. Without restartingbit would go down normally in beginning. Now after using it some time and dropping it its 55%.
Its definitely it either works or doesnt.
Anyway I dont think it's single cell.
i have the same battery bought it a few months back i'am very satisfied....
it's not a 40% extra time even framework it designed to work with less voltage since after using it below 15% i notice always fake meter value, when you keep your phone asleep for half an hour you will notice an increase in percentage. not accurate but runs fine, its a spare and a great replacement i dont care if it's slightly powerful than stock at least its the same size for 4 extra hours.. i never needed to change case nor a cover of anything its great
Sorry for my off-topic question, but i see in this topic there are advised people recently i bought a noname car charger for my Note, (specs: output 5.5V DC, 800mAh) - is this charger good for the Note or it would damage it? (i read somewhere that the original car charger's output is 5V... this difference of 0.5V has any importance?) Thanks.
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6 month old stock battery rated at 2500 mah = 2364 mah (which is what I would expect from a battery with 180 cycles on it)
Brand new Gold 3500 rated at 3500 mah = 2524 mah (a bit disappointing but at least as good as a new stock battery)
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Thanks for your time and efforts - your results are similar to my amateurish measurements performed twice and reported on the other 3500 battery thread. Having no device to test the actual capacity, I just used the continuous video playback in plane mode with minimal backlight. The time to full discharge was almost identical in both cases.
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Sorry for my off-topic question, but i see in this topic there are advised people recently i bought a noname car charger for my Note, (specs: output 5.5V DC, 800mAh) - is this charger good for the Note or it would damage it? (i read somewhere that the original car charger's output is 5V... this difference of 0.5V has any importance?) Thanks.
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Nobody?
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Nobody?
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It won't damage your phone, but if you are going to use it as a gps while charging, it will probably keep dranig the battery, 800mah is not enough to charge it while screen is on and gps is running
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I dropped my stock and it works perfectly till 55% then it dies. Gonna throw it away soon. So some of the cells could be damaged. Its not either they work or dont m8.
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Some of the cells? Its a 3. 7v Li There is only one cell:silly:
i have been disapointed by this type of battery
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i have been disapointed by this type of battery
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Why is that?
After i've received mine, i've never ran out of battery during my day. Definitively improved the usage of my phone.
Hi,
Power Bank caused poor battery life, Wipe Battery Stats.
I thought I share my negative experience about using a power bank / portable phone recharger. I had bought a very cheap 5000mAh power bank from China on eBay. Sorry I no longer have eBay link but what I bought which was advertised as HTC One X compatible and it included a 1A power out USB port.
I charged the power bank and then charged my phone from 50 odd % to 100%. Then again from 37% and it only got as far as mid 50s% and the power bank ran out of juice. Afterwards charging my phone normally would take roughly 2 - 3 hours to charge and although it was showing 100% I would get no more than 5 - 6 hours of battery life. I put up with this for some time and eventually bought and installed a replacement battery which was authentic. I charged my phone and the same thing happened. No more than 6 hours of life. So I thought something had been ruined in my phone.
Anyway I have ViperX on my phone and last night noticed there had been a new version 3.6.1. I was in the ClockworkMod advanced settings to wipe the Dalvik Cache that I saw an option to Wipe the Battery Stats and the battery works perfectly.
Out of curiosity does anyone have any knowledge of what may have occurred with my battery/phone by using the power bank.
Thanks
Adrian.
I have the official HTC Powerbank and haven't noticed strange behavior yet.
What is cheap it doesn't mean that always good quality. First read review from people and read about company.
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PowerBank doesn't efficiently charge your battery, so it can't expect the same output that you get when you charge from a wall charger or a PC... and once you stop using the powerbank, it may take 2-3 battery cycles for the battery to settle down again!
I'm using Ambrane PowerBank (8000mAh) and I must say I'm pretty happy with it!
power banks mess up the percentage reading, I dont really think battery pack can degrade the battery in few charges. The last few percentages could last upto 1 day (it happened on my old android, the phone showed 33% for full day.) this is mainly because cheap power bank, runs at low voltage, and battery percent is measured by voltage.
Well..... With me Rule of Thumb when installing a new Rom or Battery would be to dona full drain then full charge then Wipe Batt Stats.... Every new Rom has a different battery affect on the unit that's why I wipe after an install.... Also don't forget if you install apps.... That could also drain your batteries more than others... I personally don't think it's the power source.. Meaning the power bank..... Weather it's charging at 300mAh or 500mAh or at 1A....100% on your battery is 100% no matter where you're getting the charge from... Kinda like filling up a cup.... Weather you're using a teaspoon or tablespoon or a tap to fill the cup.... When it's full it's full.... Really the only difference in chargers is the more output going to your battery the faster your phone will charge....
That's what leads me to say it's the software being flashed to the phone.... Not all are "battery friendly".... So after flashing.... Do a full charge then wipe the battery stats.....
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Just FYI but i recall reading somewhere (its on here somewhere) from an Android engineer, that the battery stats are automatically wiped on reboot and also when the phone is fully charged, so any effects from manually wiping the stats is more of a placebo.
Unless they've changed it all recently.. It was probably about a year ago that I read about it
Edit: here's the link : https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
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Just FYI but i recall reading somewhere (its on here somewhere) from an Android engineer, that the battery stats are automatically wiped on reboot and also when the phone is fully charged, so any effects from manually wiping the stats is more of a placebo.
Unless they've changed it all recently.. It was probably about a year ago that I read about it
Edit: here's the link : https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/FV3LVtdVxPT
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Ok.... Well I'm no engineer.... But I mainly did it going from the stock 1800mAh to the 5000mAh on my Note GT-N7000
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Just asking so is it advisable to use powerbanks? Will it damage the already battered battery that HOX has?
From my experience I would say go ahead.... I use the cheap 20,000mAh power banks from eBay at a cost of $20 and have had no issues... The bank has 2 USB charging ports with outputs of 1 & 2 amps.... I used the 1 amp for my HTC One X & now the 2amp port for my Note 3.... NO issues.... I use the charger bout an hour a day all week and charge the bank once a week....
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From my experience I would say go ahead.... I use the cheap 20,000mAh power banks from eBay at a cost of $20 and have had no issues... The bank has 2 USB charging ports with outputs of 1 & 2 amps.... I used the 1 amp for my HTC One X & now the 2amp port for my Note 3.... NO issues.... I use the charger bout an hour a day all week and charge the bank once a week....
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what if am using a wall charger output 2A ?
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what if am using a wall charger output 2A ?
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the phone won't draw 2A so it is fine to use
Thanks
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power bank
i'd been using a few different power banks, but never noticed any difference in battery life
I would like to ask of you guys if it is safe to use the phone while connected to a power bank or wall charger?
Hello Adrian,
I too faced the same problem. I have charged my Samsung Galaxy Tab T310 with MI portable charger 10400mah. my tablet charged with in 2-3 hours but the battery started draining very very fast. later I came to remember the basic rule of checking the output of the portable charger(2.1Amp) and input required by my tablet(2.0 Amp). I think this variation is resulting in battery drain.
using a power bank
You should buy one good quality power bank
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Power Bank caused poor battery life, Wipe Battery Stats.
I thought I share my negative experience about using a power bank / portable phone recharger. I had bought a very cheap 5000mAh power bank from China on eBay. Sorry I no longer have eBay link but what I bought which was advertised as HTC One X compatible and it included a 1A power out USB port.
I charged the power bank and then charged my phone from 50 odd % to 100%. Then again from 37% and it only got as far as mid 50s% and the power bank ran out of juice. Afterwards charging my phone normally would take roughly 2 - 3 hours to charge and although it was showing 100% I would get no more than 5 - 6 hours of battery life. I put up with this for some time and eventually bought and installed a replacement battery which was authentic. I charged my phone and the same thing happened. No more than 6 hours of life. So I thought something had been ruined in my phone.
Anyway I have ViperX on my phone and last night noticed there had been a new version 3.6.1. I was in the ClockworkMod advanced settings to wipe the Dalvik Cache that I saw an option to Wipe the Battery Stats and the battery works perfectly.
Out of curiosity does anyone have any knowledge of what may have occurred with my battery/phone by using the power bank.
Thanks
Adrian.
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Being cheap doesn't mean good quality.
I got a 20000mAh power bank from avantek in amazon after my friend's advice.
it really works and i see no harm to the phone, though a little expensive ($49.99) for me.
Power banks use a charger, or not, to store power in some media (battery, capacitors, etc) internally and can transfer that energy to another item (cell phone, pad, etc) at any time without further muss or fuss.
Portable chargers will require some active source where they are used other than what they carry with them. Connection to a car power port, setting up a solar panel in sunlight, etc. will be required at the time and place of use.
A notable exception to this is the solar chargers DIY types are whipping up these days. They do both things, it would seem. They carry the small solar panel to produce the energy and a small set of rechargeable batteries to capture it for later use. I suppose you would have to classify these as hybrid charger power bank systems.
One carries a power source connection or generation circuit with it only and the other carries a bank of storage devices to draw from at any time.
I hope that this will help you understand the difference better. Good luck!
From my experience with different power banks I can see great difference in them in 3 different ways:
Controllers for power-in
Good quality controller will be able to work with different sources of power (0.5A, 1A, 2A, 3A) and voltages (5V, 9V, 12V - lick Qualcomm QuickCharge 2.0)., will protect agains overcharge & overheat. Cheap controllers may not protect overcharge or overheat - so may cause fire and damage.
Cells
There ma be 2 problems with cells: 1) overstated capacity - often happens on ebay that you get a "10000" mah powerbank which is more close to 4000mAh in reality. 2) Cell Quality - good cell can do 750-1500 full charge-recharge cycles before noticeable degradation of capacity. Bad quality cells will degrade after 50-100 cycles. Also had a battery which started to degrade after just 2-3 weeks.
Controllers for power-out
This part is very important for efficiency rate. Efficiency rate is a figure showing how much real capacity you will get from the powerbank. Why? Powerbank cells will provide you with current between 3.2 - 4.2 Volts. This needs to be converted to 5.0V so that the phone can accept it. Cheap bad quality controllers will loose 30-50% of power just in conversion. Good Quality (and more expensive) will loose 15-20% only.
So as You can see, from manufacturer point of view: if you want to create a dirt cheap battery, you can do it, but at the cost of less safety, less capacity and less final power in the phone. So be careful when buying cheap powerbanks - You will get what You pay for!
ok guys you can laugh as much as you want but i did it lol . i used to have the nexus that google used to sell which was a great phone i had 2 backup batteries for the phone . i was looking at my note two and note 3 and was looking at the difference in battery in each one and found a way to run the nexus battery on the note 2 and the note 3 lol it looks ghetto but works and i never have to run to charger. look at the pics
you can see the size difference in the battery size is major but the battery for the nexus does last pretty damn good for some reason. on the nexus battery on the side where the metal connections are i shaved off the tabs on that side look at pics lol
R.I.P batteries or Note 3. :| Lol.
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R.I.P batteries or Note 3. :| Lol.
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Well the battery from the nexus was just sitting in my desk not being used being that ibsold the nexus . So I was like wait will this work in my note 2 and 3 it did. Very little mods needed yo be done other then shaving a peace of wood or plastic to hold the battery in place and shaving the tabs on one side off so it would sit flush against the pins .
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What capacity is the spare battery
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Its a 1750mAh
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Its a 1750mAh
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Half the capacity and an older battery lasting longer ..........
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Its def lasting atleast half the day and I was suprised when it did .
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I commend you for the idea here but I think we would like to see a screenshot of the battery usage stats.
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Half the capacity and an older battery lasting longer ..........
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Sure do you recommend a program to mesure how the battery performs.
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Ghetto fabulous.
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I modified mine to run off of 3 AAA duracell batteries. Back cover bulges out though... maybe ill try this instead
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It might run okay for now, but in the end you'll blow up the battery and make the phone unstable. The GN3 battery is 3.8V while the GNex battery is 3.7V. Yes, that 0.1V makes a difference - the phone will charge the GNex battery with a too high voltage which can cause it to overheat and swell. The phone running off 3.7V will be underpowered and might or might not randomly crash.
This thread scares me....
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It might run okay for now, but in the end you'll blow up the battery and make the phone unstable. The GN3 battery is 3.8V while the GNex battery is 3.7V. Yes, that 0.1V makes a difference - the phone will charge the GNex battery with a too high voltage which can cause it to overheat and swell. The phone running off 3.7V will be underpowered and might or might not randomly crash.
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It's not that big of a deal. Lithium batteries have an upper limit of 4.2 Volts which is why if you use a general purpose charger such as those used for charging RC packs you can charge Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries both on the same setting. Either way it charges them up to 4.2V and then cuts off. Once a load is applied, the battery drops to its nominal voltage - 3.7 or 3.8V and remains at that level for most of its life before rapidly dropping off when it gets low. When this happens cut-off circuitry kicks in around 3.2V or so to prevent the battery from discharging too much which will permanently damage it. Since the battery can't be safely charged above 4.2 or let drop below 3.2 or so, all the charging and discharging is managed by a chip designed for that purpose. Also, it means that you can't overcharge your battery by leaving your phone plugged in 24/7 as the charging chip will stop charging when it reaches that upper limit.
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It's not that big of a deal. Lithium batteries have an upper limit of 4.2 Volts which is why if you use a general purpose charger such as those used for charging RC packs you can charge Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries both on the same setting. Either way it charges them up to 4.2V and then cuts off.
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Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.7 voltage should be charged to 4.20 V or so.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.8 voltage are typically charged to 4.30 or 4.35 V. It's a new type of lithium ion battery with different chemistry, and hence the different voltages. If you take a battery meant to be charged to 4.20 V and repeatedly charge it to 4.35 V, its cycle life will be significantly reduced. 0.1 V difference will reduce the cycle life by something on the order of 50%. Here is a reference: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Apple, Samsung, and Motorola seem to be using this new type of battery, and the phones are charging them to 4.30 or 4.35 V. I'm not sure how widespread the technology is or if it has trickled into aftermarket battery offerings.
I commend you for your work and glad your getting more battery life with this mod but I'm sure most of us are fine with the life of the phone stock gives us without any modifications or just wait til zero lemon releases their behemoth 10k mah battery with zero shock case to protect the phone.
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awesome. this means i will probably be able to stick 4pin samsung batteries in my note2. must be sure the 3 pins on the note2 correctly connect pos and neg with the plates on the 4-pin batteries. in a few years the note2 replacement batteries on ebay will have shorter lifespan due to storage in the warehouse. instead i may purchase a battery for a then current model (such as galaxy s6 battery) and stick that that in my note2.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.7 voltage should be charged to 4.20 V or so.
Lithium ion batteries with a nominal 3.8 voltage are typically charged to 4.30 or 4.35 V. It's a new type of lithium ion battery with different chemistry, and hence the different voltages. If you take a battery meant to be charged to 4.20 V and repeatedly charge it to 4.35 V, its cycle life will be significantly reduced. 0.1 V difference will reduce the cycle life by something on the order of 50%. Here is a reference: http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
Apple, Samsung, and Motorola seem to be using this new type of battery, and the phones are charging them to 4.30 or 4.35 V. I'm not sure how widespread the technology is or if it has trickled into aftermarket battery offerings.
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But with this new 'smart battery' and 'smart charger' system it seems very likely that the battery's capabilities are read by the charger so that the charger will not cause damage. It might be that the charger will adjust the charging protocol if it can support the battery's needs, or perhaps refuse to charge an unsupported battery. I think if he measures the charging voltage he might find that it is different for the two batteries.
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Thanks to this, I will have more battery life. Cheers! Just kidding!
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Can it be done as..? As their is no physical dimension changes.. Can we assume that bigger battery could be installed in our op3....?
They said no many times over.
They use the same sized battery, but charge it to a higher voltage, thus giving it more capacity.
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They use the same sized battery, but charge it to a higher voltage, thus giving it more capacity.
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note7 the 2nd...? Sounds a bit daft to charge to a higher voltage. If it was this easy wouldn't all manufacturers max out the batteries?
I was wondering the same if its possible from the software side?
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I was wondering the same if its possible from the software side?
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note7 the 2nd...? Sounds a bit daft to charge to a higher voltage. If it was this easy wouldn't all manufacturers max out the batteries?
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No its a total different battery. If we charge it to 4.4 we will ruin the cells. And no it won't explode.
WTF are you talking?! The capacity of the battery has NOTHING to do with the voltage. The voltage only depends on the used (cathode) materials of the battery. The capacity can only be increased by making the battery (cells) bigger or with a higher density like Lithium Polymer batteries. You can't just load a battery to a voltage you want. Every material has it's rated voltage and charge end voltage.
What do you learn at school guys? That's absolutely embarrassing.
But you can reduce the voltage you take out from the battery.
Use fairpark governor, you'll get 10 hrs screen on time out of which 90 percent of the time you won't feel it's slow.
darshakjust4u said:
But you can reduce the voltage you take out from the battery.
Use fairpark governor, you'll get 10 hrs screen on time out of which 90 percent of the time you won't feel it's slow.
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Most certainly you will
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WTF are you talking?! The capacity of the battery has NOTHING to do with the voltage. The voltage only depends on the used (cathode) materials of the battery. The capacity can only be increased by making the battery (cells) bigger or with a higher density like Lithium Polymer batteries. You can't just load a battery to a voltage you want. Every material has it's rated voltage and charge end voltage.
What do you learn at school guys? That's absolutely embarrassing.
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Well, the voltage is in fact raised. Did they change materials? Maybe, we don't know and frankly we don't care.
All we know is that the batteries are physically the same size and that those in OP3 run at 4.35V and those in OP3T run at 4.4V.
Clearly there has to be more differences (density, that you mentioned).
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Well, the voltage is in fact raised. Did they change materials? Maybe, we don't know and frankly we don't care.
All we know is that the batteries are physically the same size and that those in OP3 run at 4.35V and those in OP3T run at 4.4V.
Clearly there has to be more differences (density, that you mentioned).
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OnePlus did confirm that the chemical composition is different. I know swapping is recommended, but theoretically, would it be possible ?
Hmm, that's very interesting! I'd be willing to try, if the parts are readily available.
However, I'm pretty sure the connector from the old to the new battery isn't the same. Apple changed this with every iteration, to prevent this exact thing.
Even if you changed the battery. The charging circuit in the op3 would still cut off at the voltage for the standard op3 battery.
Then there is the possibility that the batteries have different charging requirements so you could damage the new battery by charging it incorrectly with the op3 circuit.
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Y'all. You're all right. They increased the size of the battery AND the voltage outputted. The phone uses more power than the OnePlus 3, it needed a bigger battery to have the same screen-on-time while having a higher voltage. There's no way you'd ever put this battery in the OnePlus 3 without frying half the phone.
Err, from what I understood when reading all info made public on this, is that they changed neither the size nor the density of the battery. They just made a slight chemical change to make the battery more stable, allowing them to increase the safety voltage threshold from 4.35 to 4.4.
Basically, on 1+3 the battery connector on the phone doesn't allow charging over 100% which is equivalent to the limit of 4.35 safe maximum voltage.
On the 3T, it allows to charge up to on what would be 113% on the 1+3, because it allows charging till it reaches the new maximum safe voltage of 4.4... which just happens to be an extension of 13% in charge.
The absolute top limit capacity of both batteries are the same, but that is highly unsafe overvoltage territory, where the probability of either batteries burning like molten lava would be almost guaranteed (it is how lithium Ion batteries ignite, they don't explode like a grenade, unless you seal them up inside a strong solid structure where internal pressure would skyrocket, which is not the case with phones).
If you changed batteries, most likely it wouldn't make a difference on the 1+3 since the connector there stops charging the battery when it reaches 4.35 volts.
A volt isn't a measure of the amount of power in a battery. Let's use the analogy of a jug of water - volts would be the rate that water comes out of the jug, or more specifically, the water pressure. Amps (milliamps in this case) would be the size of the hole, and mAh would be the amount of water in the jug. Voltage was raised .05 volts - more water coming out would drain the jug faster, so they put more water in the jug to compensate. The system draws more power - they were just compensating. I don't know the actual screen-on-time, but I would expect them to be pretty much the same.
now that's a something bigger battery is limited to software hmm... Thanks Jerry for awesome work..
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Just to add this to the discussion. A 0,05V delta is even for micro-electronics a quite small difference. As I own like 20 or even more lithium-ion batteries for modelmaking for example and a really good charger which is precise to 0.01V that same models of batterys can have up to 0.1V voltage difference or sometimes even more. Furthermore the voltage drops from degeneration. I can assure you that battery would work on the OnePlus3. It might not fully charge because the charging electronics think it's the other battery but it would work...
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The OP3T battery should work. It just won't fully charge. You need to change the end voltage trigger from 4.35 to 4.4
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