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I haven't seen this topic show up on this forum and I had a couple of questions so...... im very interested to know what you guys think of AT&T's upcoming NFC program ISIS? Also does anyone know when we can expect it to be available?
AFAIK its launched in two area atm like a pilot program i believe on of the areas is texas the other then name escapes me.
DJSYNTHVIRUS said:
AFAIK its launched in two area atm like a pilot program i believe on of the areas is texas the other then name escapes me.
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I didn't know that thanks! Im hoping it will be useful.
I just find it stupid that AT&T is dumping Google Wallet in favor of a system that isn't even ready yet.
Way to give us NFC without it really being useful. (I mean, there's Android Beam, which is cool, but not really useful...)
Xodium said:
I just find it stupid that AT&T is dumping Google Wallet in favor of a system that isn't even ready yet.
Way to give us NFC without it really being useful. (I mean, there's Android Beam, which is cool, but not really useful...)
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Classic AT&T fail...
It really isn't a fail on AT&T's part. Google Wallet isn't doing that fantastic, especially with how few companies are accepting it. Yea, ISIS isn't ready to go yet, however I live in SLC, one of the main areas that ISIS will be launching at in the summer, and at least 1 in 3 stores has already signed on and started preparing for the switch, UTA (the transit system out here) has also signed on and are making adjustments. Once ISIS is out, it will have a much stronger chance of doing well right out of the gate compared to Google Wallet.
Yes, it required a delay for AT&T users before we get to use NFC for payments, however choosing to back a program that now has a strong backing from companies as well as banks/credit card providers, ISIS really was a good decision.
Sure they could have put their eggs in both baskets, but that probably wouldn't have worked out too well, after all, one of the two would have tried to force them into one corner or the other.
It is not just AT&T. The whole ISIS initiative is a joint venture between AT&T, T-mobile, and Verizon. That is why when the Google Wallet first launched it could only be used on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus from Sprint.
orionl said:
It really isn't a fail on AT&T's part. Google Wallet isn't doing that fantastic, especially with how few companies are accepting it. Yea, ISIS isn't ready to go yet, however I live in SLC, one of the main areas that ISIS will be launching at in the summer, and at least 1 in 3 stores has already signed on and started preparing for the switch, UTA (the transit system out here) has also signed on and are making adjustments. Once ISIS is out, it will have a much stronger chance of doing well right out of the gate compared to Google Wallet.
Yes, it required a delay for AT&T users before we get to use NFC for payments, however choosing to back a program that now has a strong backing from companies as well as banks/credit card providers, ISIS really was a good decision.
Sure they could have put their eggs in both baskets, but that probably wouldn't have worked out too well, after all, one of the two would have tried to force them into one corner or the other.
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Yes, this is also true. People are blaming just their networks, but Google is at fault here too. They have been very slow in everything that relates to Google Wallet. Getting retailer support isn't actually a problem for Wallet, since it uses PayPass which is already quite popular. But getting more support for phones, especially internationally, is very important, and Google have failed badly at this.
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Yes, this is also true. People are blaming just their networks, but Google is at fault here too. They have been very slow in everything that relates to Google Wallet. Getting retailer support isn't actually a problem for Wallet, since it uses PayPass which is already quite popular. But getting more support for phones, especially internationally, is very important, and Google have failed badly at this.
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Not to mention the fact that Google didn't really pursue adding more carriers early on. First they wanted extensive testing to insure it was ready for a large scale launch. Unfortunately by the time they were ready to bring in everyone else, T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T had decided not to wait but instead to help start up something new. Honestly, I'm excited because ISIS looks very promising.
Blaming AT&T, or for that matter any carrier other than Sprint, or not waiting on Google to let them in on G-Wallet is kinda pointless, after all no business wants to wait, they want to get in on the action and try to beat the competition.
Google is just piggy back ridding off of PayPass. I'm positive Google Wallet will be accepted by every NFC payment system.
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It is not just AT&T. The whole ISIS initiative is a joint venture between AT&T, T-mobile, and Verizon. That is why when the Google Wallet first launched it could only be used on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus from Sprint.
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A slight correction - Google Wallet launched on the Nexus S 4G on Sprint in ~September 2011 via an OTA.
There are a few things to understand about the release and development of an application like this.
1) To release an application you have to have it available to devices.
- AT&T, Verizon, and TMobile have basically stopped the release of this app by preventing it from being installed on over 80% of the phones in the US.
2) Wallet is just as good as any other app out there, and could be better with a large company like Google behind it.
- Knowing that they would not be able to install on the majority of phones, development probably got put on the back burner.
3) AT&T, Verizon and TMobile in may ways have jointly killed the Wallet project since Google decided not to go to court to fight for the app to be released on their networks.
4) The Wallet application CAN run on any network, it is just software.
5) In no way is Google responsible for the success or lack of it with Wallet. In this case, they tried to release it with the intention of having it on all Nexus phones and the carriers stopped it.
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5) In no way is Google responsible for the success or lack of it with Wallet. In this case, they tried to release it with the intention of having it on all Nexus phones and the carriers stopped it.
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Google are not obliged to block Wallet from showing up in the Play Store for certain networks. Like you said, Wallet will work on any network.
Apple would have no trouble installing their own Wallet solution, regardless of the networks' reluctance. It's because Google are '*****es' to the networks - they do whatever the networks tell them to. That's why their own 'pure' Google devices like the Verizon Nexus have bloat and branding on them. That's never been the case with Apple. Apple puts their foot down, and the networks have no choice but to comply with Apple. It's not the same for Google. They're pushovers.
Google could of course release Wallet in the European markets, where they already have money handling licences for the web version of Google Wallet and where consumers aren't so heavily reliant on networks when purchasing phones. But they haven't done this.
So, yes, the eventual failure of Google Wallet will be down to Google.
hello, i own a galaxy nexus GSM and i am on the australian carrier Virgin Mobile, i followed all the instructions to install wallet and set it up but it still comes up with a unsupported carrier popup, is there an issue? cheers.
I had some success getting it onto my phone. Here's what I did (Also note, I'll use Wallet Online when referring to the checkout system used to pay for stuff on the Play Store, and Google Wallet when referring to the mobile phone app)
Flashed the factory image of 4.1.1 (with Google Wallet support)
Rooted (Using the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit) and installed MarketEnabler and Titanium Backup
Unfroze / Defrosted Google Wallet in TB
Set ME to spoof T-Mobile (US)
Installed the updated version of Google Wallet
Before that (about two years ago now) I added my Visa Debit card to Wallet Online and have paid for lots of marketplace items.
When I was able to run Google Wallet, I added the debit card I had through Wallet Online. It asked me for a mailing address inside the US. I used my parents in-laws address (I don't think Google sends you anything, it seems to be for verification purposes) and the card added successfully.
Tonight I went to K-Mart and tried to buy a photo frame ($29 worth). It told me the card was declined and I needed to see the card issuer, so unless I'm doing something wrong, Google Wallet is a no-go when you add your own (Visa) cards.
I suggest trying the above to get Google Wallet on your phone in the first place, then (if you have the time) fiddle around with some settings, such as turning off root (in the Superuser app), unspoofing your mobile (something I haven't done yet, but I doubt it'll make a difference), adding a different type of card (such as a credit and not a debit card, or a card from MasterCard etc.) and even trying the Google Prepaid card (I have $10 on it, but I don't know if it'll work, as I only just tapped the icon to set it up)
I would really love to see this rolled out officially to other countries and not just the US. If Visa are now on board, surely Google should be able to flick a switch on their end (if it's that easy) and let us buy stuff with our phones?
Also if after you set it to T-Mobile (US) you notice the rom you have hasn't got Google Wallet, you can just search for it in the Play store
Adding your debit card in that way wont work because the US address wont match the one Visa has for you ... I just used the Google Prepaid card up at coles and it worked fine, they looked at me strange though
Google wallet is somewhat pointless in Australia still as you can only use prepaid cards to add funds to use the NFC feature, I stick with my debit card.
well i got it to work guys! also i was talking about the latest verison of google wallet, 1.5, and now i have it working and linked to my debit card. i installed the modified version in the android development forums a few hoours ago, and works fine! yes please use market enabler because it may require you to use the t-mobile server durring activation. cheers! thanks for the helpguys!
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well i got it to work guys! also i was talking about the latest verison of google wallet, 1.5, and now i have it working and linked to my debit card. i installed the modified version in the android development forums a few hoours ago, and works fine! yes please use market enabler because it may require you to use the t-mobile server durring activation. cheers! thanks for the helpguys!
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Glad to hear you had some success. Can I ask if you've tried to pay for something yet? Your post says it works fine when linked to your debit card, but that could mean the app is working fine, or you can pay for stuff. Also, can we get a link to the development thread you referred to?
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Also if after you set it to T-Mobile (US) you notice the rom you have hasn't got Google Wallet, you can just search for it in the Play store
Adding your debit card in that way wont work because the US address wont match the one Visa has for you ... I just used the Google Prepaid card up at coles and it worked fine, they looked at me strange though
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At first I wondered about that, because purchases are actually done through a virtual MasterCard (go into the Google Wallet app, edit an existing card and look at the "Via" field. Hit the ? to read more about it) but I guess if the charges are done via Wallet Online, then yeah they would cross-reference your details.
All Google has to do (as far as I can see) is just change the UI on their form to allow non-US locations. There must be some international card issuer BS to go through though, even though I can successfully buy anything I want online using PayPal or by entering in my card details directly.
I worded that wrong, adding your card is possible but when buying something it will fail ... that is because of the AVS that checks the cardholders billing address so unless it is a US card you're buggered
He might be refering to this thread
I hate to say it but hopefully iPhone will Have NFC to help get it off the ground... I really wouldnt mind only having to carry my phone with me
yes it works, i am curently in the city testing it out, i think the issue is that either my debit card details are wrong or there is an issue with my actual bank, i still need to resolve, attemtped at startbuks swanston st melb and mcdonalds melbourne central shoping centre, whenever i tried it, it either declined it or it wont go through, any ideas? cheers.
the latest 1.5 version of google wallet allows us to use our own decit and credit cards. cheers.
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yes it works, i am curently in the city testing it out, i think the issue is that either my debit card details are wrong or there is an issue with my actual bank, i still need to resolve, attemtped at startbuks swanston st melb and mcdonalds melbourne central shoping centre, whenever i tried it, it either declined it or it wont go through, any ideas? cheers.
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make up your mind... first you say it works and then you say it doesn't.... Yes you can add your credit/debit card but no it will not work when you goto buy something, like i've already said
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I worded that wrong, adding your card is possible but when buying something it will fail ... that is because of the AVS that checks the cardholders billing address so unless it is a US card you're buggered
He might be refering to this thread
I hate to say it but hopefully iPhone will Have NFC to help get it off the ground... I really wouldnt mind only having to carry my phone with me
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Interesting about the AVS system. What I wonder is, could someone use an address like 123 Fake Street, Melbourne, 30010 (note the additional 0 at the end) and hope that the AVS system matches the first four numbers, doesn't find anything for 30010 and ignores the final zero in the post code, thinking it's just useless extra data? That'd satisfy the AVS and meet the 5 digit zip code requirement for adding a card, if AVS only matches numerical data
Of course, I'm just hypothesizing here, and am not suggesting anyone does this, as it could be seen as exposing a weakness in AVS and you could have all sorts of people running your way.
Google wallet is not available for your device or mobile network with latest google wallet app direct from the play store on stock jellybean 4.1.1 yakju an jellybro cm10 custom rom on both Telstra an Vodafone networks with my unlocked gsm galaxy nexus, go figure I even tried market enabler lol, more importantly when will Australian galaxy nexus users be able to purchase songs from google music like US users.
I've tried various ways on my SGS3 (Telstra) and nothing has worked so far. AVS is definitely playing a role. I've got a US Unlocked virtual credit card, but not even that passes AVS checks even though one is issued with a US address when you get the card. Tried this with Hulu Plus and they're probably the most anal when it comes to AVS. Anyway, found a workaround to that problem, but I digress.
Another thing I reckon is that "Google" is not set up on Australian PayPass terminals as a registered merchant, hence why even the prepaid Google card with $10 fails. As with many, I see no reason why we cannot use Google Wallet [yet] down under. Oh well, my conventional debit/credit chipped cards work fast and well, albeit without the "whoah!" factor if I used my phone.
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I've tried various ways on my SGS3 (Telstra) and nothing has worked so far. AVS is definitely playing a role. I've got a US Unlocked virtual credit card, but not even that passes AVS checks even though one is issued with a US address when you get the card. Tried this with Hulu Plus and they're probably the most anal when it comes to AVS. Anyway, found a workaround to that problem, but I digress.
Another thing I reckon is that "Google" is not set up on Australian PayPass terminals as a registered merchant, hence why even the prepaid Google card with $10 fails. As with many, I see no reason why we cannot use Google Wallet [yet] down under. Oh well, my conventional debit/credit chipped cards work fast and well, albeit without the "whoah!" factor if I used my phone.
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I'm wondering if Google is denying all foreign transactions for external cards using Google Wallet (but allowing the prepaid card), making it a combination of AVS and Wallet. Strange that they're denying one card but not another..
However your comment about the prepaid card failing is incorrect. On the way home the other night my wife and I stopped in at our local (rural) McDonalds and purchased two coffees. I paid for the lot using the $10 prepaid card and it worked fine. Only thing was, the lady behind the register had to run and grab a pen, as most "credit" transactions under $100 are usually PINned or PINless and rarely signed. But that's just me, you may be having difficulties for another reason.
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However your comment about the prepaid card failing is incorrect. On the way home the other night my wife and I stopped in at our local (rural) McDonalds and purchased two coffees. I paid for the lot using the $10 prepaid card and it worked fine. Only thing was, the lady behind the register had to run and grab a pen, as most "credit" transactions under $100 are usually PINned or PINless and rarely signed. But that's just me, you may be having difficulties for another reason.
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You're correct. I failed to mention that I've only tried this at my local 7 Eleven. From what I've read, those who have reported it worked [more often than not], used it at McDonalds. Good on you though; I'd love to see it in action!
From The Verge:
"Orange has announced that the Samsung Galaxy S III will receive its Quick Tap mobile payment system starting September 5th. Orange launched Quick Tap over a year ago, but the Galaxy S III is the first Android smartphone to use the system. Orange and Barclaycard provide the Quick Tap service, which they say is available in over 100,000 locations in the UK. The service allows users to make payments of up to £20 without having to enter a PIN.
Like other mobile payment wallets, Galaxy S III owners using Quick Tap in the UK can link up their various debit or credit cards from UK MasterCard or Visa. Orange is offering a £50 bonus credit for new customers when they activate Quick Tap, starting Wednesday."
What are the chances that the apk can be pulled and installed on the Galaxy Nexus? I'm fed up of waiting (for nearly a year) for Google Wallet in the UK.
I've explained a little about it here: http://www.nfcbrief.com/2012/09/orange-first-to-launch-uk-android-nfc.html
I'm assuming that Orange have opted to use the SIM as the secure element. If that's the case, it could be bad news for Nexus owners. I don't think stock AOSP Android has support for SIM secure elements (not 100% sure on this), meaning that, even if you acquired one of these new SIMs from Orange (and downloaded the Quick Tap apk), it likely wouldn't work with the Galaxy Nexus.
Custom ROMs might be able to fix that, though.
NFC Guy said:
I've explained a little about it here: http://www.nfcbrief.com/2012/09/orange-first-to-launch-uk-android-nfc.html
I'm assuming that Orange have opted to use the SIM as the secure element. If that's the case, it could be bad news for Nexus owners. I don't think stock AOSP Android has support for SIM secure elements (not 100% sure on this), meaning that, even if you acquired one of these new SIMs from Orange (and downloaded the Quick Tap apk), it likely wouldn't work with the Galaxy Nexus.
Custom ROMs might be able to fix that, though.
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OH wow, I really hope this comes to Galaxy Nexus
Just saw your update on the article you posted:
"UPDATE: I've received word from Orange that they will indeed be using new SIMs as the secure element for Quick Tap on Android. This means that the majority of NFC-enabled Android devices will be able to use the application, as long as Orange have approved each device. Notable exceptions likely include the Nexus devices, as it is unclear whether Google have enabled SIM secure element support in 'vanilla' Android. Quotes can be found below."
That sucks! Any chance you could ask if the Galaxy Nexus will be supported? Seeing as you are already in touch with them?
And just out of curiosity what is the advantage of using a SIM as a secure element? Is there a chance that Google have enabled support for it?
Thanks
so i searched around for this and no one seems to have a definite answer...or at least, no one that has possibly used these possibilities has spoken out..
here's my question..mastercard paypass mobile (and now called masterpass)... is it just an app that i'm missing that you can register on an NFC phone and then you're able to use your credit card linked to your profile?
Or will masterpass be that app when it gets release and will only support the banks that are signed on with them? (in Canada, BMO has already signed on)
basically, as a replacement option to google wallet for those (like us in Canada) who can't use wallet..or at least, functionally use it with one of our credit cards
any info is appreciated...
*sorry if this doesn't go in nfc hacking...but it's nfc related since i'm just looking for nfc payment solutions...i hate wallets
Just like Google wallet and Isis by all most of the major US cellular vendors the app is only half of the story. The other half is something that is embedded in the actual phone it self. What is missing is something called the "secure element" so that no one else with out proper access can use it and it cannot be mimicked/copied. The secure element can be anything from an actual chip embedded in the device to a SIM card that has the chip built in. If you have a credit card with the smart chip or that has wave pass or some other NFC option and you have scanned it with your device, heck even the popular skylanders toys there is an area that is secure and no matter what you do you cannot view the data or alter the data, that's an example of a secure element. That's what is missing from your device
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rastlin said:
Just like Google wallet and Isis by all most of the major US cellular vendors the app is only half of the story. The other half is something that is embedded in the actual phone it self. What is missing is something called the "secure element" so that no one else with out proper access can use it and it cannot be mimicked/copied. The secure element can be anything from an actual chip embedded in the device to a SIM card that has the chip built in. If you have a credit card with the smart chip or that has wave pass or some other NFC option and you have scanned it with your device, heck even the popular skylanders toys there is an area that is secure and no matter what you do you cannot view the data or alter the data, that's an example of a secure element. That's what is missing from your device
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I wasn't asking why i can't use google wallet. I could actually use google wallet before they took away their virtual card in October. I can't add any credit card because my billing address is in Canada (not completely true...like most others, i can add my card but the transaction will not go through when i try to use google wallet with that card).
the gist of my question was more along the lines of, is masterpass like google wallet? does it already exist with paypass mobile or is paypass mobile just an internet profile that you can use to pay online and masterpass will absorb it but also be an nfc payment method?
at MWC recently, mastercard mentioned masterpass as an NFC payment solution...so i would imagine that you can use credit cards from banks that are signed on with it as nfc payment...but it is not 100% clear
well, masterpass launched today, and from what i read on mobilesyrup, it looks like nfc payments will not be possible
i hate that we are seriously lacking in an option similar to google wallet
if anyone signed up for masterpass and says it does work through nfc, please let us know...as of now, from any article i've read, it doesn't look like it works...
NFC payment did not work using Google wallet on SG3 for me. I have not tried to purchase anything yet using Android pay but curious if it would be different than GW. I don't know if it was hardware or software that prevented payments previously on GW.
I doubt that I would use it often because swiping my card is just as fast.
I didn't see anything about eligible devices on support page.