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Hey Guys! Im new on this forum (even though i have made this account some time ago, i never used it )
So.. i just Rooted my HTC Desire, which i've been so afraid of. But now i had to to it regarding the lack of SD-card installing.. BUT! now i installed this neat app called something like "app2sd" which unlocks the installing to SD-card, but it just unlocks the feature like the FroYo update unlocked, just on some other apps?
So my question is.. CAN i move the WHOLE app to my SD-Card, and can i do it without flashing a custom rom or whatever? (which i am afraid of doing) because i want some of those GAMELOFT apps and the main app does still fill up some space unfortunately..
I hope you get what i'm saying (im not the best at english, but im trying )
If you didnt understand me, and want to help me, just tell me and ill try slicing it in pieces
Thanks in advance!
- Mathias
Well the froyo a2sd do in fact move the full app. It just leaves data and dalvik cache behind on /data. But to answer your question, yes it is possible, but the best implementations of a2sd is found in the custom roms. Those are also a natural extend, when you have rooted your phone. And btw. there is no risk involved in flashing a custom rom at all. The risky part is the root process itself.
If you want proper a2sd, you must go about it in the following steps:
1. backup all files on you sd-card to your computer
2. install rom manager
3. in rom manager choose to partition your sd-card. Just pick 512 for ext, 0 for swap and the rest for fat32
4. Move all your stuff back to the sd-card, which should now show up as being 512 mb smaller
5. Pick a custom rom and download the zip file like leedroid, if you like the stock look(or find a flashable zip containing the files for a2sd)
6. backup anything necessary and flash the zip through recovery
edit: and btw. don't excuse your english. It's not bad compared to many other people on this board
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Well the froyo a2sd do in fact move the full app. It just leaves data and dalvik cache behind on /data. But to answer your question, yes it should be possible, but the best implementations of a2sd is found in the custom roms. Those are also a natural extend, when you have rooted your phone. And btw. there is no risk involved in flashing a custom rom at all. The risky part is the root process itself.
If you want proper a2sd, you must go about it in the following steps:
1. backup all files on you sd-card to your computer
2. install rom manager
3. in rom manager choose to partition your sd-card. Just pick 512 for ext, 0 for swap and the rest for fat32
4. Move all your stuff back to the sd-card, which should now show up as being 512 mb smaller
5. Pick a custom rom and download the zip file like leedroid, if you like the stock look(or find a flashable zip containing the files for a2sd)
6. backup anything necessary and flash the zip through recovery
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Thanks for the fast answer!
Well its not for breaking my phone im afraid of using custom ROM, my problem is that theres always some issues, and i've heard something about the RADIO or some stuff??
But if theres a custom ROM based on the FroYo which allows me to move EVERYTHING from my internal to external, which would you recommend, and wheres a good spot to find alot of those roms?
By the way, i also want them in danish language!
Well as for stability, those completely based on the stock roms(leedroid) are just as stable as the htc-ones. And if you are already on froyo, updating the radio shouldn't be necessary. And the only roms without danish language on here is the one labeled miui(some chinese custom rom) btw. im danish myself.
But the way you want to completely move /data to /sd-ext is called data2ext, and i personally wouldn't recommend it, as everything gets kind of laggy in my experience. This is due to the sd-card being much slower in read/write rates than the nand chip, so keep as much as possible internal without filling it up. I would recommend a2sd+ instead, which should give you plenty of space for apps as well
A great rom build on std. htc with a2sd+ is leedroid as already mentioned or auraxtsense, if you want a different theme.
Yea I see but let's keep it English as some people might find it useful :b
But now I ran into another problem .. which is, that I know used that app2sd unlocker and now I can't put widgets on my homescreen from the apps? Like handcent sms if you know it?
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Yes that is because the froyo a2sd solution stores the apps on the fat32 partition which is not initialized before late in the bootprocess meaning the apps is not accessible when widgets are loaded. So using froyo a2sd you should keep apps with widgets on internal.
But with a2sd+ on leedroid or a similar Rom this won't be a problem as the ext partition is initialized early in the boot process. So go with one of the custom roms. That would be my recommendation
Alright then.. but is my data from my apps stored on my sdcard? Like I have "3gwatchdog", and it has stored all of my data transfers. Is that saved when I back up my sdcard and just install the program on my custom Rom?
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No, data from apps is still stored on the internal memory
The ONLY way to get it all onto the SD card is to use a custom ROM which includes Data2SD - but it's still a bit buggy and can lead to a quicker death of your SD card
So theres no way, that I can save my stats from my apps, so I can restore them on my custom Rom??
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mathiasb2 said:
So theres no way, that I can save my stats from my apps, so I can restore them on my custom Rom??
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Titanium backup.
TheGhost1233 said:
Titanium backup.
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Thanks for telling me about that app! But my problem as I see it now, is that when I wanna use Titanium backup, I do need "busybox" and busybox fails when I try to install it? On the market it also says that HTC Desire is not supported?
- what am I supposed to do then?
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Hello, I know that the current Android porting still not considering dual boot.
On the other hand, is it possible to boot Bada from a SD Card? Like the WM6 booting Android, the Wave boots from Bada(said 1.0) located on the phone, and then execute some files on SD Card so that it will boot 1.2. Or by modifying somewhere in the BootLoader so that the phone will boot Bada OS from SD Card.
This seems easier to make as no driver change required, only change the boot location. And I think this also helps investigation on dual boot.
that is a very good question
i'd love to know its answer from our developers right here
i don't know anything about FOTA & bootloader things
hope someone try it and succeed also
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Hello, I know that the current Android porting still not considering dual boot.
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misinformation there, current bootloader goes like this:
start phone normally, Bada boots
start phone while holding call key, Android kernel loaded and executed from moviNAND, Android kernel mounts partitions from external SDcard and boots (or tries and fails atm anyway )
nbates66 said:
misinformation there, current bootloader goes like this:
start phone normally, Bada boots
start phone while holding call key, Android kernel loaded and executed from moviNAND, Android kernel mounts partitions from external SDcard and boots (or tries and fails atm anyway )
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Oh, seems that I had missed out some articles
So the project is now based on dual boot. Looking forward on your success!!!
Is it possible to install Android on Kaiser without SD? Has anyone investigated bundling the /system partition with tinboot so the whole thing is installed with a single KAISIMG?
I ask because I have one Kaiser whose SD reader is broken. If I could install more than a kernel, I could try risky changes to fix the NAND driver. If I brick the phone or kill its flash, it's no big loss.
No, you can't do it now, maybe i can suggest you to look after a method do dump the nand after install and use it as kaiser image
Exactly what I was thinking, but how to negotiate the NAND into the proper size partitions? Write kernel for rom and hope you get the sizes right, or make a kernel that readjusts /system size based on install and leave remainder for /data?
PoXFreak said:
Exactly what I was thinking, but how to negotiate the NAND into the proper size partitions? Write kernel for rom and hope you get the sizes right, or make a kernel that readjusts /system size based on install and leave remainder for /data?
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I don't think thats l1q1d idea... perhaps a complete nand dump, and reflash it to another kaiser.
The kernel and partitions must be configures before the dump...
I do intend to try, but have been distracted by Scoot's very stable kernel, and a very nice pre-beta that I'm testing on my HTC Wizards, Gandalf and Radagast.
This is possible, in fact there was a time where an empty img file was being incorporated into the NBH where on a windows NBH the system files would normally be copied. A windows NBH consists of a number of parts, I can't remember what they are all called right now, but they can all be merged using NBHmerge. I can't give you specific instructions but there's no reason why it can't be done, not sure it'll be much fun though!
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I do intend to try, but have been distracted by Scoot's very stable kernel, and a very nice pre-beta that I'm testing on my HTC Wizards, Gandalf and Radagast.
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pre-beta that you're testing on HTC What ??
daedric said:
pre-beta that you're testing on HTC What ??
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HTC Wizard. I have two of them, which I have named Radagast and Gandalf. It's my all-time favorite smartphone, although it is obviously even more obsolete than the Kaiser. I use one of them as my primary phone whenever Android is giving me fits. Right now I'm testing H3r7 beta 2 preview where the cook has adeptly squeezed WM6.5 into a tiny, fast, stable package.
If I knew that I wouldn't have given my Wizard away...
I thought Ham3r was finished when he hit 6.1 but I stand corrected...pfft.
help androidinstall.tgz
please share for me : file androidinstall.tgz 2.1 or 2.2 but must run wifi and 3G.
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I think with the proper memory map Android could be installed via FrankenKaiser or something of that sort. Something that addresses the NAND directly through OEMSBL, bypassing the need for a HardSPL. Of course the phone would have to be CID unlocked to do this, but I think it's possible to install via CustomRUU if the mapping was done beforehand.
I have read somewhere that NAND marked as bad in the map still gets "written" to, meaning whatever is supposed to go there is put there and never read. Once unmarked the written info comes back, but that requires a full format anyway.
I say very possible...
I have stopped trying to do this, but wanted to record my latest thoughts in case someone reads this in the future.
I think the best way to install Android on a Kaiser that can't read its sdcard is to edit the initrd then use recovery mode:
* install adbd so it gets started in recovery mode
* allow the menu when sdcard is not installed
* change scripts to look for /data/andboot
* change recovery mode to mount /data partition to usb
Then, of course, you boot the kernel, use the menu, enter recovery mode, transfer androidinstall.tgz and androidupdate.tgz to /data/andboot, then install system, install updates, clear data, and run. If something doesn't work, adb shell or adb push can help.
I think it's too much work to be worth it on this old phone.
Hi
I have rooted my phone with unrevoked, s-off'ed with alpha rev 1.8, partitioned 1gb of my 4 gb card to ext 3 and installed Gingerbread F1 V3 Ap2SD ENG.
On first load of the rom i can see that my SD card FAT 32 storage has been reduced but the only other memory internal memory which was at 147mb when i first booted the rom.
All apps are installing to the internal memory by default with only the option of moving to the SD FAT 32 partition. and there is no option to move to the sd ext3 part as there is no option - so I have lost 1gb off my sd card.
What have i done wrong?
on a 2nd note i appear to have a call delay when answering the phone my radio version is 32.49.00.32U_5.11.05.27 - do i need to update this ? will it solve the problem ? my carrier is vodafone UK.
appreciate the help
ararararar... Sorry had to do something.
This has been explained SO many times by me included. The way a2sd works is by symlinking the folder containing the apps(/data/app) to you ext-partition.
You cannot see this partition listed in the system info, as the partition is not supposed to be there. The system have no way of knowing that you are using an ext-partition, as it just installs apps to /data/app, however as it's symlinked to ext, they are actually being placed in sd-ext/app.
This means that you will only see you internal memory, but it still works. Your apps will just take up less space on internal, as the apk file is placed on the ext-partition. They will still take up some space for data and dalvik cache.
edit: bonus info. Install "quick system info" or "titanium backup" from the market to see the size of your ext-partition in those apps.
edit2: and if i did not make my self clear. The partition-size info in the system settings is not supposed to be a partition manager. It's written to be userfriendly, and it only provides the regular user with the partitions they should care about(/data and /sd-card). If you want a detailed view of all your partition(and there is more than a few) go get root explorer. It'll let you play around with all the partitions mounted.(you won't have access to recovery, bootloader and so on from here)
Ok thanks. I'm new to this and there's so much info to take in
With regards to the radio is there a simple way of flashing as I have alpha rev installed the method via recovery wont work. I see alot of people talking about doing this through a terminal but I could not find a comprehensive guide for this like the xda root guide. Thanks.
Darren
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Well i take it that your cache partition is too small(this is why people using alpharev cm hboot cannot use recovery for this). In that case you have already flashed another hboot(using "fastboot flash hboot hboot.img") if you haven't done this, you cache-partition should not be too small, and the recovery method should be able to do this just fine. If you have done this, use the same command to flash the radio eg "fastboot flash radio radio.img"
Either way it is very unlikely to fix your call delay(read: it won't fix your problem, as it's got nothing to do with the radio). It's a problem caused by some incompatibility between the htc libs and GB. It's quite common on GB roms apparently. Wait for HTC to release the real GB update, and we might very well be able to solve this problem.
dazzr123 said:
Ok thanks. I'm new to this and there's so much info to take in
With regards to the radio is there a simple way of flashing as I have alpha rev installed the method via recovery wont work. I see alot of people talking about doing this through a terminal but I could not find a comprehensive guide for this like the xda root guide. Thanks.
Darren
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Install android sdk:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Howto:_Install_the_Android_SDK
Copy the downloaded radio.img to e.g. partition C: on your computer (if you downloaded a zip, extract the radio.img from there). Check the md5sum!!!
Boot your into fastboot mode (start it with pressed back and power button) and connect your phone to your computer.
Now open command prompt on your computer and type
Code:
fastboot devices
It should list your device now. If it does, type
Code:
fastboot flash radio C:\radio.img
(in case your radio.img was copied to C: ).
Now, observe the computer and be patient TOUCH NOTHING!!
The process will copy the image to your phone, write the image to the radio partition and perform some magic be patient TOUCH NOTHING!!
Watch the little indicator at the top of your phone screen.
Once the process appears to finish (it may not say complete) wait a further FULL 60 SECONDS and be patient TOUCH NOTHING!!
Then, and only then, reboot your phone.
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A nice guide about adb/fastboot can you find here:
http://androidforums.com/desire-all...fastboot-windows-updated-1st-june-2011-a.html
Flashing radio is a risky thing. Because if there something is wrong, your phone won't be more than a paperweight.
So i am here with a new idea. A rescue.zip which can be used to rescue any android device which have a recovery like the famous cwm.
So here is it..
Some times we people screw up our android os like hell, and to reboot the device we usualy do a recovery flash of a new os, flash back our nandroid backup ( both on worst conditions) or even do permission fix, clean cache or dalvic cache( those in 'not that worse' conditions) . So thats are all the options we got. Rit?
Although flashing recovery backups, new roms can fix all, it will also eatup our apps, current setups, contacts, msgs, etc( in case we dont have backups) and will probably screw us. All we can do is say " WTF..WTF..WTF.."
SO here is my idea,
Find out the causes of what causes a reboot, non-boot, hang,fc etc.
And keep a zip that can be flashed through recovery, that has a solution for our problem. They may be including..
1) fix permission of system, data, and user data.
2) zipalign the apps
3) fix the default clock speed of processor
4) defragment memory
5) flash a new copy of su and busy box
6)wipe data or system or ext or cache or dalvic cache
7) flash a new copy of framework.res, system-ui.apk, settings.apk with default permissions( those files are kept in separate "custom" folder on the zip, so that end user can put their own files to that "custom" folder for flashing., the reason behind it is known to all, yap. Not all devices have them in common, every device have its own files)
These are all i got for now, pls post ur ideas and knowledge for any possible cure about any problem u faced/ cured. So that we can make it an ultimate rescue.zip that have a cure for 99% problems android os have. The rest 1% will go with a clean flash.( well we cant avoid that if we did something that bad).
So my plan is to use aroma installer( now on hard learning to find how it works). Throw in some scripts, files etc. Into the zip.
And since its not a device specific .zip file, i want to know how and why any problems are caused in any device( there are many common problems, but that is not what i ask for. I ask for device/os specific problems, and not for a problem that we can cure after booting, but for a problem that can make the device un-bootable) . So u people may help me to find those problems and cures for it. For my knowledge i have experience with wildfire and hd2.
Well i will keep this thread for a week or two, so that u can post ur knowledge, and info. after that i will release the file for u.
To the admin. Of the forum, pls keep this thread as announcement so that all can take a look.
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If you plan to do this available to any android device, the file size will be so big that it will become useless. Every phone has different apk, and not only that, but those apk are different in different version of os. For example, CM9 framework should not work on google release. Worst, older CM9 framework might not work on newer CM9 and newer framework might not work on older. Also, one of the cause of bootloop that i have been experiencing since i have my GNexus is data corruption of apps. The only way i had was to wipe data. I dont think there is a way to know if your app are corrupted with script. I also seen a lot of strange problem on SGS II like the kernel being erased. Well, in this case this package would be useless. So i guess that having this package would be awesome, but wont happen. My best advice is that you could create a universal guide on how to recover from bootloop/fc/hang with the minimum of impact on the phone. This is just my opinion tho.
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You could add using flags in the updates filename, see some roms or themes for the lg optimus 2x for more information. It uses sed. For example, "update-wc-wd.zip" would wipe /data and /cache.
You could also merge these features in a customized clockwork mod recovery, the up side would be that you could automatically make a backup of the last flashed full ROM's systemui etc. this would also allow usage of the touch screen/volume keys to choose an repair option. You could even allow users to backup specific applications along with their data, and let users restore it later on after a fresh flash. I have some basic knowledge in modifying the recovery so I might help you out a little if you're interested.
chadouming said:
If you plan to do this available to any android device, the file size will be so big that it will become useless. Every phone has different apk, and not only that, but those apk are different in different version of os. For example, CM9 framework should not work on google release. Worst, older CM9 framework might not work on newer CM9 and newer framework might not work on older. Also, one of the cause of bootloop that i have been experiencing since i have my GNexus is data corruption of apps. The only way i had was to wipe data. I dont think there is a way to know if your app are corrupted with script. I also seen a lot of strange problem on SGS II like the kernel being erased. Well, in this case this package would be useless. So i guess that having this package would be awesome, but wont happen. My best advice is that you could create a universal guide on how to recover from bootloop/fc/hang with the minimum of impact on the phone. This is just my opinion tho.
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I told it already, the "custom" folder is not filled. It will be kept empty. The user can put a file, which ofcourse is the file of the device he/she have or want to get repaired. All he has to do is copy and paste the file from the working zip( zip file of his currently installed rom, that encounter the problem) of his rom to the custom folder inside the rescue.zip.
And the things that are common will be scripts, but those too will contains device specific mound points, paths, etc. I think that will be common( ie, the working of script, once the mound is done). Am i right?
So all i have to figure out is mount points, paths etc.. i got a couple of them, about 15 or so. And pls help me to find the rest.
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a good idea to add is a file system chech like windows systems has. By installing a rom the installer should first check for bad sectors and mem blocks before installing the rom. After all blocks and sectors are scanned and the bad ones marked as "bad or corrupt" it should run something like defrag and place the bad blocks at the end of the file table. When all is done .. then the true rom install should start.
This will prevent heaps of problems since the curent installs just write over a bad block or sector creating the most weird problems. A fault checker/repair will take away a lot of strange forced closes and othere software/hardware failures.
Most phones wont last that long so that bad blocks or sectors can occure. But for the flashing junkies among us its a serious problem what can occure. I guess after 1000 or more installs bad sectors or blocks will occure and not all are being able to be repaired
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Mikevhl said:
You could add using flags in the updates filename, see some roms or themes for the lg optimus 2x for more information. It uses sed. For example, "update-wc-wd.zip" would wipe /data and /cache.
You could also merge these features in a customized clockwork mod recovery, the up side would be that you could automatically make a backup of the last flashed full ROM's systemui etc. this would also allow usage of the touch screen/volume keys to choose an repair option. You could even allow users to backup specific applications along with their data, and let users restore it later on after a fresh flash. I have some basic knowledge in modifying the recovery so I might help you out a little if you're interested.
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I am totaly newbee to lg. I have experience with htc, few samsung, etc. So can u pm me the details? Also is it usable to create recovery? I think a zip file with selectable options is more friendly. The thing is building a recovery wont make it universal( or atleast common for a couple of devices) and we will have to port them for each and every device. Thats the problem.
But any way i want ur help in building it. Can u pm me an example for mounding script in lg devices? And any thing that may become useful. Thank you.
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wilwilwel said:
a good idea to add is a file system chech like windows systems has. By installing a rom the installer should first check for bad sectors and mem blocks before installing the rom. After all blocks and sectors are scanned and the bad ones marked as "bad or corrupt" it should run something like defrag and place the bad blocks at the end of the file table. When all is done .. then the true rom install should start.
This will prevent heaps of problems since the curent installs just write over a bad block or sector creating the most weird problems. A fault checker/repair will take away a lot of strange forced closes and othere software/hardware failures.
Most phones wont last that long so that bad blocks or sectors can occure. But for the flashing junkies among us its a serious problem what can occure. I guess after 1000 or more installs bad sectors or blocks will occure and not all are being able to be repaired
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Pls pm me the idea how to make the checking script. Or links that have info in this. Thank u in figuring out such a prob. I am unaware of that.
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I am totaly newbee to lg. I have experience with htc, few samsung, etc. So can u pm me the details? Also is it usable to create recovery? I think a zip file with selectable options is more friendly. The thing is building a recovery wont make it universal( or atleast common for a couple of devices) and we will have to port them for each and every device. Thats the problem.
But any way i want ur help in building it. Can u pm me an example for mounding script in lg devices? And any thing that may become useful. Thank you.
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I'll send this as a PM as well, but people might learn from this. I am not talking about any specific mount points for LG phones, I just pointed out that there are some roms which use sed to check the filename of its update.zip and do tasks according to that, you need to have one line in your updater script to run the script which detects what to do. That way a user of a Galaxy Nexus would rename it to update-maguro.zip and it would know to use mount points for the maguro, while if the exact same update.zip was to be named update-p990.zip, it would know to use the mount points for the LG optimus 2x. This way you could easily keep the zip up to date for any device, because they all use the same update.zip
About the recovery, you would need to build it for every phone once, but you could make one change to the recovery source and easily compile the recovery for all phones which are capable of running CWM. I believe this method to be more user friendly, as a recovery image has support for actually choosing what you want to do, instead of having to rename the file. A recovery image also has a better way of communicating with the user. Where a update.zip can only say "Hey, I had an error and I'm quitting now, I won't give you any details what the problem was because that's just how update.zips roll", a recovery image would be able to give more advanced outputs, like "An error occurred when trying to mount /data." And then give you the option to either try again, manually fix it by using a computer with adb, or quitting.
But that's just my personal opinion. The recovery would be way harder to make, but I was the original porter of CM6, CM7 and HTC Sense to the xperia mini pro and mini back in the days. I also made a custom recovery and roms for the HTC desire Z, maintain a CWM port for the HTC Chacha which I don't even own and have used the LG optimus 2x before. (currently a maguro owner) but I'm trying to say that I've been experimenting a lot with different phones and know what the possibilities of Android are. you could even make a live Android build, tailored for recovering your phone, which is ran by an update.zip! How cool is that? That would be VERY device specific though..
let me know what you think is the best way to do this. I was thinking of making a mobile time machine app for some time so it's good I saw this thread.