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Free internal memory: how much?

...and by safe I really mean a logical, usable size for caches etc. In example, a size which wouldn't give me problems when, I'm browsing in "heavy" websites, downloading through marketplace, or receiving messages and emails.
Since I got my desire and flashed the latest LeeDroid ROM, I've started installing apps like there's no tomorrow. Naturally, most of them I just try and discard, but a lot of them I just keep on my phone even if I use them once a week, or even once a month. With A2SD enabled, I currently have a whopping 188 apps installed. I think they will soon classify a psychiatric condition named after me. That leaves me with around 25mb left in Internal storage, and around 20mb remaining in A2SD.
On my Touch Pro, again, with a [censored]load of apps installed, I usually left around 30mb of free memory, just for various caches. Would it be wise to do the same for android, or should I just wait for the "low space" notification to start clearing things out?.
So I'm wondering. How much free storage you guys have on your desire? And how much would you consider it would be wise to leave free. Would a full-featured site use more than, say 10mb of cache? Would we ever need more than 10mb of cache for mail or messages? Any other serious disadvantages of having an -almost full- internal storage space?
(I already got brut mod for google maps, so maps cache ain't a problem)
Sorry for the long post and possibly needless question... insomnia at it's best

akpidis said:
... How much free storage you guys have on your desire?
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Hit the wall today...
became unstable ..
trouble getting data connections (good reception area)
Camera app not connecting to camera
slow
Down to 8MB internal free !! (cachemate only freed additional 2MB)
214 apps ;-)
A2SD(+) 1.24 GB free / 1.92GB total
Time to delete apps now
Need a better a2sd(+) or bigger phone !

Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed, we Desire users are going to have to get used to doing a hard reset every month or so. Currently have 85mb of phone storage left after a hard reset last week. Before that I was down to 12Mb.

130MB using SuperVillain. I only have around 25 apps though.

Leave 10% or more free. Less than 10% will cause things to start breaking.

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hi guys iv got about 110 apps or so and still got 305mb mem on my desire and thats internal memory buy using data2sd very good the only problems i got is my phone crashes and freezes now and again thing its my sd card so is going to try another

I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.

WARNING, dont get it wrong.
The new Nexus S indeed has 16GB memory ...
But only 1GB for internal memory where you can use to install app.
It has 13 GB as "emulated SD card".
Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868772
sh500 said:
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
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That's still a lot of apps to be stored in 1GB! If that guy up there fit 200ish apps in around our 140MB of space with A2SD+, then theoretically you could put like nearly 1000 apps on the nexus S!

Ah I see...I take that back then!
How comes Apple can do it with their phones but none that are running Android can?? Is it simply a cost thing?
It's obviously apparent that many Android users are installing apps/games mounting way over 500MB.

Got data2ext and have 1.7GB free. I left some directories on the internal storage and created some links. I have to say it working pretty well. Almost no performance lost. Only noticed performance issue while playing asphalt hd.
But the internal storage of nexus s is a step forward. But still more improvement needed. Once they fix those storage issues we will get greater and bigger apps.
R
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paulgun said:
214 apps ;-)
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down to only 172 apps (29 MB internal free)...
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
I suspect knowing what to leave to have a minimal system is the trick?
Can I boot with 0 system apps installed ?
I'm thinking "why not" , I can use the command line adb , so I don't think
I even need a gui or fileexplorer app at all ?
Will think about it when the latest LeeDroid has stablised... TBA

65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
I've the official last Froyo Update (I only rooted it with unrevoked and substituted the recovery but the ROM is the official one), and I've set on SD card all the apps that permit it.
Yes I know that I must install app2sd and I'm shure I will do it soon, but that is not the point.
The point is: please, someone can explain to me where I'm wrong in my calculations, or what bug or know issue I'm missing?
spile wrote: "Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed..." but again: even this search lead me to an endless list of topics in wich someone say: "Hey my contacts storage on HTC Desire is 40MB, how's that? " and someone other: "Use apps2sd 'cause HTC is bad".
Worst: that's not my case, my contacts storage state 3MB.
Again I know that in a way or another I'm ending this with apps2sd, but again I say it's not my point: my point is I want to undestand where is the problem and, most of all, if complaining directly to HTC is a waste o time that put me as the last one in a row of people condemned to ***** about HTC Desire's memory for the rest of their's life
Sorry for the long rant but I've done my search (at least I've tried, maybe I missed that one topic of revelations) and I want to put all the informations on the table so to not waste more time of yours ^^;;;
Thanks anyway
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HTC Desire, software version: 2.29.405.2, rooted with unrevoked 3.

paulgun said:
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
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On second thoughts, it appears freeing space in /system,
won't really help /data much, so this would not help:
androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-2.html#post1952939

sh500 said:
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
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After trying a dozen other things, I'd have to agree...
forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1598676#r2

Hit another wall today...
215+apps ;-)
A small number of apps won't install, even though >1GB internal free
using data2sd method.
talking-santa-free
raging-thunder-2-lite
The logs show it failed due to internal space
Perhaps /cache is too small now ?

im using my own cooked rom, and have atleast 300 apps installed, and i have 58mb free internal storage with 22mb cache partition, 190mb system partition and 222mb data partition

100mb free after 144 apps installed. Have N1table for data partition of 200mb. And app2sd helps a bit. No need for data2ext
Teleported from my brain cells

I've installed about 20mb of apps (fb @ 4.8mb, music app 5mb, rest = 10x<1mb apps w/ no cache usage) yet still only have about 14mb. Somehow I'm missing 100mb ish on a RUU'd Desire. Annoying.

Cirunz said:
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
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It did not vanish, the 365 mb is used by android system files and other stuff HTC throws into the phone. In theory, we only have 140+ mb to install apps.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Program storage full

hey all
well y HOX has about 15 gig free on the storage... but the internal storage is full.or about to be..
apps about 300 Mb. And then it shows "other" about 6 gig!
wich leves me with about 200 mb free...
i have moved all apps to phone memory.
but how do i access that partiton wichs is nealy full ?
i want to see whay the "other" 6 gig is...and delte some of it.
i am running newest viper venom / 3.7.7
Thanks

intercode said:
hey all
well y HOX has about 15 gig free on the storage... but the internal storage is full.or about to be..
apps about 300 Mb. And then it shows "other" about 6 gig!
wich leves me with about 200 mb free...
i have moved all apps to phone memory.
but how do i access that partiton wichs is nealy full ?
i want to see whay the "other" 6 gig is...and delte some of it.
i am running newest viper venom / 3.7.7
Thanks
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'App Storage' as displayed by Sense is an accumulation of the TOTAL available space as distinct from 'Phone Storage'.
It includes ALL installed files and their associated data including the entire ROM and it's built-in apps, which is what occupies the 'Other' heading. Reserved space, like the unused part of /system and /cache, are counted as USED space in the Storage app. This is part of the reason 'Other' is so big.
You can reduce the usage of 'Other' by using ROMCleaner or Titanium Backup to remove those pre-installed apps you do not want/need.
But there is a limit to what can be done. Be careful not to uninstall anything necessary for the system to operate properly.
As for user-installed apps, post-ROM installation, they are allocated to the 2GB /data partition.
You can also use Titanium Backup to install apps to /system, making use of the slack space in that partition.
Titanium Backup can also be used to move these apps to SD, which in the HOX's case is just as fast as the other partitions since it has no seperate SD card.
EDIT: It's ALSO worth pointing out that there is NO clear documentation or official word from HTC about what exactly 'Other' is or why it occupies so much space. There have been MANY discussions about this, in this very forum (search is your friend BTW)...so the above is best-guess and trial and error.

Thank you for your detailed reply !
i will start looking into it right away!
thank you again!
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[Q] strange storage space problems: cannot install more than 9 apps

Dear P920 users,
I once installed about 25 own Apps. No problems with storage space.
Then I updated my mobile from Android 2.3.5 to 4.0.4. and rootet it. The old app installations have been lost hereby.
But now I could install just 9 apps. Since that I have BIG storage problems:
No more app can be installed because there shall be too few system storage. It seems to be a joke for me!...
But it is fact: no more download from GooglePlay is possible!
Android shows in the storage management:
* system storage: 252 MB apps, 106 MB available, All together: 0,98 GB
* Internal storage: 85 MB apps, 378 MB photos/videos, Downloads: 33,8 MB, miscallenous: 1,83GB, available: 610 MB, all together: 5,57 GB.
* SD card: 4,79 GB available, 7,39 GB all together.
As you can see: the only reason can be the few 106 MB of the system storage. But WHY is there so few space left??...
1 GB space should be enough for 100 apps and more!...
Can anybody understand what is wrong here?... The storage managment seems to be wrong. There SHOULD be enough room!
I attached to this message a screenshot from a file explorer. Maybe this tells anybody anything and gives an explanation.
I cannot find anything wrong.
Thank you very much for your help and tips!
PS:
To find out what the strange 'storage eater' is I should know the following:
A) During upgarde to version 4.0.4 are there any folders of the system storage that are not cleaned?
B) Option 'System management': Several parameters are missing, like miscellanies and other. So the sum of app and available is not 0,98 GB? What is wrong here?
Where can I find out about the remaining not mentioned data?
C) How does Android calculate the 'available' system space? (here 106 MB) In the screenshot 106 MB are not mentioned anywhere.
C2) What is the minimal necessary available storage before there are problems? Is 106 MB left already too low?
C3) Which are the limitations of system storage folders?
D) Is there a file explorer app that directly lists the sizes of of (system)folders?
E) What is the size of the system folders at P920 of a clean Android 4 system? (especially of folders 'data', 'data/data' and 'system') [then I could compare!...]

Pokemon Go with CM11

I have a Galaxy Fame GT-6810P running CM11. As this is based on Android 4.4.4 I wondered if it would run Pokemon Go. Version 0.31.0 will install from the Google Play store (it didn't with the last version of the app) some people report it running on low res screens also on phones without a gyroscope so I doubt if this is a problem , however the app crashes it after the splash screen. Has anyone got it to work on this phone?

Don't you need at least 2GB of RAM to get the game to work?

Maybe I'm not interpreting things correctly but if I look in settings > storage it says under internal storage that there is 2.05GB

I don't think this phone is powerful enough to run Pokemon Go.

Will not work unless we get swap support in the cm11 kernel... You can try GLTools however I don't think it will work, it probably just crashes after clicking ACCEPT (right before the tutorial).

julianporter5 said:
Maybe I'm not interpreting things correctly but if I look in settings > storage it says under internal storage that there is 2.05GB
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Internal storage and RAM is not the same. Our phone only has 512 MB of RAM...

BenjyTec said:
Internal storage and RAM is not the same. Our phone only has 512 MB of RAM...
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I could have looked at the RAM usage under Settings -> Apps - Running Processes, the RAM is shown in the bar at the bottom. People are running Pokemon Go on phones with less than 2GB RAM, how well it works is another matter.
Looking at the internal storage usage in Settings -> Apps it looks like there is 2GB of internal storage. The spec for the phone says it has 4GB of memory. Where is the extra 2GB?

julianporter5 said:
I could have looked at the RAM usage under Settings -> Apps - Running Processes, the RAM is shown in the bar at the bottom. People are running Pokemon Go on phones with less than 2GB RAM, how well it works is another matter.
Looking at the internal storage usage in Settings -> Apps it looks like there is 2GB of internal storage. The spec for the phone says it has 4GB of memory. Where is the extra 2GB?
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You haven't done the search for where other 2GB of storage is. Total Storage is 4GB, which is divided into different partitions like system(approx 900 mb), cache(500mb), internal storage(2GB),recovery(12mb),boot(xx)etc. Like this The emmc is divided, thus only 2gb is usable for storing media,pictures etc.
Have a good day.

bsevcenk said:
Will not work unless we get swap support in the cm11 kernel... You can try GLTools however I don't think it will work, it probably just crashes after clicking ACCEPT (right before the tutorial).
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@bsevcenk we do have swap support in cm11. No one uses search engine and just post anything. Here I have attached file for you. Put it in init.d and set correct permission . it will create swap in /cache partition. U can have up to 450mb swap. Remove .txt from attached file. Edit the file to increase or decrease swap size. That is self explanatory inside the script.
I don't own this script. It belongs to respective dev (turbo boost team).
Have fun with swap,

toshiro71 said:
@bsevcenk we do have swap support in cm11. No one uses search engine and just post anything. Here I have attached file for you. Put it in init.d and set correct permission . it will create swap in /cache partition. U can have up to 450mb swap. Remove .txt from attached file. Edit the file to increase or decrease swap size. That is self explanatory inside the script.
I don't own this script. It belongs to respective dev (turbo boost team).
Have fun with swap,
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I've tried multiple apps, "busybox swapon swapfile.swp" (with a file I created) and they all say swap doesn't work. I don't know how it works for you, but it doesn't work for me.

G5 system over 9GB...?

A friend has a G5 16GB storage 3GB RAM Amazon special. She started receiving "low storage" messages recently, and Disk Usage shows that her system data is well over 9GB with a few MB left free. I have no idea where the rest of it is. She claims not to have too many apps (she's not a propellorhead, so I believe her), she has deleted all onboard photos (now in Google Photos), and needs the few apps she has.
I think 9GB is too much for System. Can anyone tell me typical system space usage, and maybe suggest how to free up whatever is hogging the space, short of a factory reset, which as a non-propellorhead she refuses to do?
(She's 200 miles away, which makes it hard for me to diagnose too.)

Could be anything but if she uses apps like whatsapp then media that is sent and received is stored on the device but will not show in a gallery app as it contains a nomedia file
manually look in whatsapp/media folder on internal storage
Same for alot of other apps
You will just have to browse the apps - look at their data use and folders on internal storage
Can also just clean the cache

Thanks - good tip. It looks like a long Skype session coming up...

I have version 2 + 32 and when I had Android 7.0 I was dialing 8GB of the system, then I updated to Android 8.1 and it doesn't say how much it weighs but it released me 1GB, That is, if you have Android 8.1 it weighs 7GB and if you have Android 7.0 it weighs 8GB

same issue
Hi,
I'm having the same issue on my Moto G5 (16 GB storage, 3 GB RAM). The information about how much disk space is used doesn't fit the total of all the stored data. In detail here are the different values and where i got them from:
Android / Settings / Storage: 14.95 GB used of 16 GB
X-plore
Internal shared storage: 996 MB free of 10 GB; size of all the data in this folder: 4.65 GB (which is almost all from WhatsApp)
Root: 996 MB free of 10 GB; size of all the data in this folder: 160.2 GB (doesn't make much of a sense...)
TWRP / Wipe / Advanced Wipe: by selecting a partition and tapping "Repair or Change File System"
System: Size: 3243 MB, Used: 1686 MB, Free: 1557 MB; File system: ext4
Data: Size: 10267 MB, Used: 3640 MB, Free: 1186 MB; File system: f2fs
Internal Storage: can't be selected
This issue occured since the first clean install of LineageOS 14.1 (LOS 15 wouldn't work then). After a clean install of LOS 16 there was no significant change, free space did increase a little bit, probably due to cache wipe. So far I managed to live with the issue but from time to time I'm getting low storage messages and I have to delete data even though there should be enough space.
Does anyone have an idea why these numbers won't fit or how to get back the remaining amount of strage?

Each one will give a different size because they take different partitions into account
Eg android settings will probably take system data & cache partitions and add these all together to give a total size
TWRP will split each partition into its own size
And so on
Some "free space" will not actually be free space but will be reserved for system use
On average you will need about 800mb of free space as reported by android system settings to be able to update/install new apps
The biggest issue is system apps - when these get updated the system apk doesn't get updated. Instead the updated apk gets installed to the data partition tus you actually have two of the same app installed. One is the system app & the updated version in data.
This is good if you ever have issues and need to roll back to the system installed version but many users don't and it just takes up probably another 2gb of storage
Now you can either replace the system app with the one in data or you can remove the app entirely & reinstall just to data - Obviously each method requires root & can brake stock ota updates etc
Or if you are using a custom rom install the minimum amount of gapps for functionality (eg nano gapps) instead of stock gapps & manually install any other required apps
Other than that there's nothing you can do except clear cache & keep a check on apps that download media such as WhatsApp & delete that media from its folder in internal storage

As the original poster I can only add what I have found out. Since the phone was a remote one I had no direct access, but my friend went to a local Android specialist who diagnosed that her missing memory was caused by photos. When the photos were deleted from the phone, but kept in the cloud, her memory usage dropped to acceptable levels. I have no idea why local photos would count as system storage.

dahawthorne said:
As the original poster I can only add what I have found out. Since the phone was a remote one I had no direct access, but my friend went to a local Android specialist who diagnosed that her missing memory was caused by photos. When the photos were deleted from the phone, but kept in the cloud, her memory usage dropped to acceptable levels. I have no idea why local photos would count as system storage.
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As mentioned in previous post it depends what the app deems system storage - usually it combines all internal partitions like it does in system settings storage
Unless you use a root app or twrp that can read and access individual partitions I would take system storage as a combined total of all usable internal partitions - so images would make up this total on internal storage which is why I mentioned whatsapp media

I resolved the out of space issue by installing a 32GB microSD and configuring as internal storage

Thanks for the quick replies!
Still I don't understand this massive use of disk space. I'm using LineageOS since the first day I use this phone. On LOS 14.1 I had MicroG, now on LOS 16 it's openGApps pico. Updates have to be installed manually, as for this phone there's no official LineageOS. All the data of my Apps is moved to the external SD card except WhatsApp.
So basically there's not much disk space used. As mentioned above, it's 4.65 GB of used space of the internal storage (according to X-plore its path is /sdcard). If we assume the internal storage to be just 10 GB of the physical 16 GB, then there's still half of the capacity unused. That's a big difference to the reported 996 MB (today it's 932 MB).
Might this difference come from mistakes at installing or manually updating LineageOS?
After updating to LOS 16 by clean install, there was no big increase of free space. Is there a possibility to get some space back in the course of a clean install?
Furthermore, the free space of data partition according to TWRP is just little above 1 GB, eventhough it says only about 3.5 GB of the 10 GB are used. I thought at least TWRP would show the real amount...
PorkKnuckle said:
TWRP / Wipe / Advanced Wipe: by selecting a partition and tapping "Repair or Change File System"
System: Size: 3243 MB, Used: 1686 MB, Free: 1557 MB; File system: ext4
Data: Size: 10267 MB, Used: 3640 MB, Free: 1186 MB; File system: f2fs
Internal Storage: can't be selected
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