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I just noticed yesterday that T-mobile has a 4G network in my area and I was wondering if there was a way to force roam 4G on tmobiles network? So that I could pick up 4G.
If its possible how?
Oh and sprint needs to hurry up and put 4g everywhere
You said it yourself. T-Mobile is HSPA+, Sprint 4G is WiMax. So, no.
Naa dude. HSPA+ is not compatible with cdma(sprint). Matter of fact t-mobile is using 4G now because its "trendy" and everybody else is using it. Their network is closer to 3G in infrastructure. But thats up for debate.
That sucks like hell. There's 4G here I just can't have it. AHHHHHHH!!!
Well if its like 3G I guess I'm not missing much.
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Naa dude. HSPA+ is not compatible with cdma(sprint). Matter of fact t-mobile is using 4G now because its "trendy" and everybody else is using it. Their network is closer to 3G in infrastructure. But thats up for debate.
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You are on the money. HSPA+ is no more than an upgrade to existing 3G technology. If I remember right, it only has a theoretical max of 54 Mbps down. It is not, nor will it ever be, 4G.
Granted, the current 802.16e standard of WiMax is not 4G either...just waiting for that 802.16m standard to be finalized =). Which once that is complete, infrastructure can be updated and we should be able to utilize it with a simple firmware update.
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That sucks like hell. There's 4G here I just can't have it. AHHHHHHH!!!
Well if its like 3G I guess I'm not missing much.
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No its way faster than your normal 3G. Faster than WIMAX too. Its nothing to pull down 7 or 8 Mb.
I bet it's better on battery than wimax is on ours.
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I bet it's better on battery than wimax is on ours.
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It uses the same radio for voice. The EVO has a separate 4G radio thats has to be activated and scan then connect. So 2 radios running at the same time would use more battery than 1 GSM radio running. Also CDMA has a tendency to use more battery when searching for signal in low signal areas.
Having installed T-mobiles 3g upgrade here in Chicago market back in 2008, I can say definitively that HSPA is just a radio cabinet addition to the existing cellular framework. Depending on the layout of the tower/site, "Flex radios" handle the data on 1, or sometimes more antennae, while the voice travels over GSM through remaining antennae. Very similar to ATT infrastructure, but tiny radios handling big bandwidth.
Having said all that, 4G is a silly buzzword that Sprint started, and T-mobile is now exploiting.
In a way, Sprint is just using extra radios on top of their existing 3G cellular, and just integrating the enhanced data speeds of Clearwire's network into their own.
T-mobile's speeds are indeed fast both HSPA and HSPA+, but to call them 4g may be overstating it, as it is just an upgrade to their existing technology, and not a new technology.
As another poster stated, nobody officially has 4g yet, not even Sprint, and until the 802.16 commission finalizes and LTE is launched we still won't.
To re-emphasize to the OP, not a chance, and don't believe the hype.
I can see sprint(or clear) and T-mobile going to bed for some real 4G'ness.
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I can see sprint(or clear) and T-mobile going to bed for some real 4G'ness.
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Yeah, I heard a rumor that Sprint may eventually adopt LTE.... It makes sense.
Wimax will make a great backhaul, and could stay in place, not to mention supporting cities and rural areas. But LTE will be the big daddy, and similar to WiMax, works on it's own and should be seamlessly integrated on top of cellular.
I'm not sure but I think it can work with CDMA or GSM, hooray for global WiFi!
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Yeah, I heard a rumor that Sprint may eventually adopt LTE.... It makes sense.
Wimax will make a great backhaul, and could stay in place, not to mention supporting cities and rural areas. But LTE will be the big daddy, and similar to WiMax, works on it's own and should be seamlessly integrated on top of cellular.
I'm not sure but I think it can work with CDMA or GSM, hooray for global WiFi!
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I wouldn't count on LTE on Sprint just yet. Hesse denounced it last week; however, Sprint, Clearwire, Google, Time-Warner, and a couple others purchased Spectrum not only in the 2.5 GHz, but the 2.3 GHz band also. So the bandwidth is there and, in the past, Hesse has been quoted saying they can easily switch to LTE if need be.
Edit: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/29/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-on-clearwire-lte-wimax/
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I wouldn't count on LTE on Sprint just yet. Hesse denounced it last week; however, Sprint, Clearwire, Google, Time-Warner, and a couple others purchased Spectrum not only in the 2.5 GHz, but the 2.3 GHz band also. So the bandwidth is there and, in the past, Hesse has been quoted saying they can easily switch to LTE if need be.
Edit: http://gigaom.com/2010/10/29/sprint-ceo-dan-hesse-on-clearwire-lte-wimax/
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Thanks for the info.
I think the most important thing in the article is that LTE can happen if necessary.
Sorry for getting off topic.
Does verizon and sprint use the same 3g bands? I have an evo but i want to flash my thunderbolt to sprint. Don't tell me its illegal, I'm not asking how to flash, i just want to know if I can use 3g from the thunderbolt on sprint. I know I wont get 4g, I'm fine with 3g.
How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that. However, you will not be able to use LTE; different frequency, and different technology.
To be honest, there's not all that much different from the EVO and Thunderbolt of much consequence when you get rid of LTE/WiMax.
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How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that. However, you will not be able to use LTE; different frequency, and different technology.
To be honest, there's not all that much different from the EVO and Thunderbolt of much consequence when you get rid of LTE/WiMax.
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I still have t-mobile haha i dont know anything about cdma yet. I have yet to sell my hd7, hd2, and my mytouch 4g
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How else do you think people roam on Verizon 3G? Of course they're the same bands. Doing a little bit of research on Wikipedia would've told you that.
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Actually, not 100% true. Sprint is using the 1900 MHz band almost exclusively for 3G. They do have 800MHz spectrum, but it's running iDEN (for now). Verizon uses both the 800MHz band and the 1900MHz band, but I think that they have more of their network on 800MHz. But most (if not all) CDMA phones are dual band and can use 3G in either the 1900 or the 800MHz bands.
So the answer is indeed that the Evo can work on either. But the majority of their networks are actually on different bands.
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Actually, not 100% true. Sprint is using the 1900 MHz band almost exclusively for 3G. They do have 800MHz spectrum, but it's running iDEN (for now). Verizon uses both the 800MHz band and the 1900MHz band, but I think that they have more of their network on 800MHz. But most (if not all) CDMA phones are dual band and can use 3G in either the 1900 or the 800MHz bands.
So the answer is indeed that the Evo can work on either. But the majority of their networks are actually on different bands.
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So if i throw a verizon prl on the evo ill be using their towers
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So if i throw a verizon prl on the evo ill be using their towers
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I've never done it, so I don't know all the details. But I think basically yes.
You have T-mobile right now but you want to get a Thunderbolt and run in on the Sprint network?
Now if you are wanting to have true Sprint service you won't be able to do it. Sprint will only activate phones that are on their list of ESNs.
If you are wanting to have a Thunderbolt activated on Verizon but roaming to Sprint then yes, you can. You will have to get a Sprint PRL and flash it on your Thunderbolt.
However, after your most recent post it sounds like you are wanting to get an Evo and flash a Verizon PRL, so I'm lost.
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You have T-mobile right now but you want to get a Thunderbolt and run in on the Sprint network?
Now if you are wanting to have true Sprint service you won't be able to do it. Sprint will only activate phones that are on their list of ESNs.
If you are wanting to have a Thunderbolt activated on Verizon but roaming to Sprint then yes, you can. You will have to get a Sprint PRL and flash it on your Thunderbolt.
However, after your most recent post it sounds like you are wanting to get an Evo and flash a Verizon PRL, so I'm lost.
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I'm a little lost too, but he said he's not concerned with what's illegal and what's not, so there technically would be a way to activate a Thunderbolt on Sprint.
BUT...I just wouldn't bother. 4G is a very nice feature of both phones. If you want to be on Sprint, get the Evo. If you want to be on VZW, get the Thunderbolt. They're going to be pretty similar, though yes, the Thunderbolt's specs do beat the Evo's by some margin. I don't see a reason to mess around with missing out on a key feature (4G) and losing out on warranty and carrier support, when you can get similar devices on either network.
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I'm a little lost too, but he said he's not concerned with what's illegal and what's not, so there technically would be a way to activate a Thunderbolt on Sprint.
BUT...I just wouldn't bother. 4G is a very nice feature of both phones. If you want to be on Sprint, get the Evo. If you want to be on VZW, get the Thunderbolt. They're going to be pretty similar, though yes, the Thunderbolt's specs do beat the Evo's by some margin. I don't see a reason to mess around with missing out on a key feature (4G) and losing out on warranty and carrier support, when you can get similar devices on either network.
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unless of course you live in the middle of no where...
Ok let me clear this up I'm on t mobile and I'm switching to Sprint's network temporarily (boost mobile/virgin mobile). I was getting sick of the small screen on my mytouch 4g so I got a hd2 to run android off of. I really missed all of the features of my hd7, so I got an Evo. But since the newer version is coming out, the thunderbolt, I was wondering if its worth the switch because ill be keeping that phone for 6+ months.
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So when the new Razr came out for Verizon (cheese) curiosity got the best of me, so I went to check it out. Of course they tried to sell me on it, so I immediately, with chest pushed out, told them I had the fastest phone/4G speeds out there (SG2), and had no need for their gimmicky poop machine. They immediately responded Verizon's LTE will be way faster than TMO's HSDPA, and that our 4G was not real 4G. WTF? How much faster can you get, and I thought LTE being on old CDMA technology wouldn't even be able to come close? Did I put my foot in my mouth, or was that guy just an uninformed kook? I'm confused.
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You know their LTE is GSM-based, right? It has no similarity to their 3G network...
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So when the new Razr came out for Verizon (cheese) curiosity got the best of me, so I went to check it out. Of course they tried to sell me on it, so I immediately, with chest pushed out, told them I had the fastest phone/4G speeds out there (SG2), and had no need for their gimmicky poop machine. They immediately responded Verizon's LTE will be way faster than TMO's HSDPA, and that our 4G was not real 4G. WTF? How much faster can you get, and I thought LTE being on old CDMA technology wouldn't even be able to come close? Did I put my foot in my mouth, or was that guy just an uninformed kook? I'm confused.
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The reps didn't know what they were talking about either. They said hsdpa which is different than hspa+. Their 4g isn't real either unless your over 100mbs it isn't real 4g technology. It just recently got acceptable to to say new technology for mobile wireless. Is acceptable 4g. Lte isn't really old either is hspa+
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Lte is still faster than our hspa+ though
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You know their LTE is GSM-based, right? It has no similarity to their 3G network...
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While true that LTE isn't similar to Verizon's 3G, Not sure what you are talking about, LTE isn't at all like GSM. Hell, it's not even like 3G UTMS. UTMS uses WCDMA and a non IP based protocol, while LTE uses OFDMA and IP. GSM uses FDMA and non IP.
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SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
So when the new Razr came out for Verizon (cheese) curiosity got the best of me, so I went to check it out. Of course they tried to sell me on it, so I immediately, with chest pushed out, told them I had the fastest phone/4G speeds out there (SG2), and had no need for their gimmicky poop machine. They immediately responded Verizon's LTE will be way faster than TMO's HSDPA, and that our 4G was not real 4G. WTF? How much faster can you get, and I thought LTE being on old CDMA technology wouldn't even be able to come close? Did I put my foot in my mouth, or was that guy just an uninformed kook? I'm confused.
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The truth of the matter is that LTE is faster than HSPA+. Verizon's "4G" network is faster than T-Mobile's because LTE is a newer type of technology, yes both are GSM based but T-Mobile's HSPA+ is technically still a 3G GSM network that got a signal boost. LTE is a much newer type of GSM network which can reach much faster speeds, NO its not true 4G speeds of "100mbs" but I have gone into one of Verizon's stores in an LTE location to do a speed test on the Verizon RAZR and got 38mbps on their LTE. the fastest I have gotten on either my Samsung Galaxy S II or My HTC Amaze 4G is 22mbps (Both speed tests done in in Atlanta, GA). T-Mobile DOES have the LARGEST "4G" network because it coincides with their 3G network and it is very fast but not the fastest. You could have thrown out the fact that Verizon's 4G devices are overly priced and kill the battery faster than any other network even with all the "Juice Defener" type of applications and battery savers though hope this helps.
Simple question..
I'm a bit confused about WiMax and whether or not it is (strictly) a cellular communications technology embedded in the Evo 4G, such as 3G and 4G Mobile Data Speeds, and how this relates to the Evo's normal wifi connection.
Is there any crossover between WiMax and WiFi?
Or is WiMax simply a mobile data technology not related to the onboard wifi network card?
Thanks
I think the wimax is part of the 4g service...
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WiMax is a type of 4G, with LTE being another type (of 4G)
And yes, neither of those have anything to do with the wifi and there is no crossover involved
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CNexus said:
WiMax is a type of 4G, with LTE being another type (of 4G)
And yes, neither of those have anything to do with the wifi and there is no crossover involved
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^This. Older Sprint phones like the EVO 4G, EVO 3D and Samsung Galaxy S2 E4GT (among others) use Wimax, which was Sprint's original offering for 4G service. Sprint has since gone to LTE (Long Term Evolution) for their 4G service, although Wimax still works in areas where it's already active. Phones on Sprint utilizing LTE include the EVO 4G LTE and Samsung Galaxy S3. Wifi has nothing to do with either Wimax or LTE, as previously stated. A Wimax-enabled phone cannot utilize LTE, and vice-versa, as they are two completely different 4G standards and operate on different frequencies.
The advice is free....the bandwidth, not so much
It really grinds my gears that there aren't new phones available supporting either Wimax or LTE or Wimax AND LTE. I am stuck in Ohio where the Wimax roll out was thorough, and now there is no info on if/when LTE will come here. Eventually people in ohio will all have upgraded to LTE phones due to attrition and we are paying for data plans that we can't take advantage of. I really want a new phone, maybe the new One that is coming out soon, but the drawback is no 4G in Ohio. Sprint really dropped the ball on this one. I'd take a phone that was a little thicker so they could fit both chipsets in there no questions asked.
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It really grinds my gears that there aren't new phones available supporting either Wimax or LTE or Wimax AND LTE. I am stuck in Ohio where the Wimax roll out was thorough, and now there is no info on if/when LTE will come here. Eventually people in ohio will all have upgraded to LTE phones due to attrition and we are paying for data plans that we can't take advantage of. I really want a new phone, maybe the new One that is coming out soon, but the drawback is no 4G in Ohio. Sprint really dropped the ball on this one. I'd take a phone that was a little thicker so they could fit both chipsets in there no questions asked.
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Thats very true. I think it proabably has to do with the extra work of getting the two to play nice while both being available in one phone, and the extra drivers and hardware required to have both
Definitely what you said though, I'd have no problem with a bit thicker phone that features both but since other competitors are moving towards slimmer and sleeker phones, while at the same time having monstrously powerful processors, it probably wouldnt be a smart move on Sprint part
I was trolling the new HTC One forum yesterday, and did notice that the One might be coming with an LTE radio supporting 800mhz and 1900mhz. This is promising as I believe the 800mhz is what sprint rus the Direct Connect system on. That system is avail in my area so maybe they will use it for LTE? #wantLTE
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I was trolling the new HTC One forum yesterday, and did notice that the One might be coming with an LTE radio supporting 800mhz and 1900mhz. This is promising as I believe the 800mhz is what sprint rus the Direct Connect system on. That system is avail in my area so maybe they will use it for LTE? #wantLTE
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I remember hearing or reading something sometime back from sprint that eventually they were going to convert the old Nextel iden network over to 4g lte because of the bandwidth it runs on. I also remember that person telling me that this new lte on this frequency would penatrate 2-3x better meaning better 4g lte signals indoors. It may have been a sprint tech who told me on one of the many phone calls I have made to them over the years.
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Everything you say is true, just replace the word "bandwidth" with "spectrum". iDen was using lower frequencies which penetrate better. You get slightly lower theoretical max speeds, but the connection is more reliable, and people generally agree that's what's important.
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I'm sick of slow 3g speeds, my area got wimax so we are going to be last for lte (not that I got any wimax with my gs2) so I've been thinking of switching to Verizon... I'm still not decided but if I do decide can I take the phone with me or is it a waste of 800 dollars if I do it?
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I believe it's possible, but I'm not familiar with the process. And it definitely looks like it has some challenges from what I've read on some of the posts for going to TMobile, Boost, and so forth. I would definitely look at some of those threads to see what it involved.
If you did pay $800, you can probably sell it and get most of your money back.
As for LTE, I think if you got WiMax in your area, you'll probably get LTE sooner or later. Maybe you should ask Sprint when they plan to bring it to you market. I lieve in araa that didn't have WiMax, but I could drive fifteen minutes and get to areas that did. But we got LTE in the areas where I live and work. And most of the WiMax near me got LTE as well.
As for 3G with LTE, although the speeds are increased, in my area, it's not that big of a bump. It's only about .50Mbps, especially compared to the LTE speeds. I find I'm averaging around 1.2Mpbs on 3G, whereas before it was around .8Mbps.
Plus, you'll definitely want to see what the Verizon are getting, and maybe specifically on the GN2. Then you'll need to consider how, if any, change to how you'll use the GN2. Are you going to use more data, say more media streaming? I'm not that familiar with Verizon, but I'm not sure if they offer unlimited data. I know they use to. It's possible they may throttle as well. If there isn't a unlimited, then you'll need to know how much you use and how much that usage will cost on them.
I understand your frustration about the speeds. When I had the BlackBerry Curve for Sprint, which was on the iDEN network, the data speeds were so slow, I literally couldn't stream audio without a lot buffering; It was like being back on the 54.4k modem days on the PC. Going to the Evo 4G from that, even without the WiMax available, was like lightening fast. Sprint will bring LTE. It's just a question of when.
It depends on the frequency that the sprint note 2 supports. It has to have the 700 mhz frequency for verizon lte. I havent looked at sprints note 2 frequencys on this phone or not. Look into and see what all frequencies the sprint variant supports.
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It depends on the frequency that the sprint note 2 supports. It has to have the 700 mhz frequency for verizon lte. I havent looked at sprints note 2 frequencys on this phone or not. Look into and see what all frequencies the sprint variant supports.
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Lte will never work the sprint lte frequencies are 800, 1900 and 2500mhz and I'm not even certain current device's support 800 or 2500mhz yet as they won't be available until mid 2014 when iden is fully decommissioned for 800 and wimax is decommissioned for 2500
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The fact that your area got Wimax has no relation whatsoever to the order or timeframe that it will receive LTE.
For Sprint LTE info please refer to s4gru.com, specifically http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/ in which they have basically ALL the LTE rollout information. Moreover, if you donate any amount (say $3) you become a sponsor and have access to maps with the towers that already have LTE etc.
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The fact that your area got Wimax has no relation whatsoever to the order or timeframe that it will receive LTE.
For Sprint LTE info please refer to s4gru.com, specifically http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/ in which they have basically ALL the LTE rollout information. Moreover, if you donate any amount (say $3) you become a sponsor and have access to maps with the towers that already have LTE etc.
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My area isn't even mentioned on the site... I tried searching my state and the biggest city around and the wasn't any matches. I live in Utah, neither Utah nor salt Lake City are mentioned on any of the 4 rounds of rollouts... Yet I got Wimax
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