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Touch Pro 2 (GSM vs CDMA) ATT vs Verizon

Is there a CDMA hardspl? Can Verizon phones be flashed?
These phones are now just being released to Carriers
Verizon has the phone for $199
Sprint / ATT are expected to charge $299
Because I am a noob and had a tilt previously CDMA vs GSM wasn't an issue, my 2 year contract expires in a few days.
Will ROMS be cross compatible or GSM only or CDMA only?
Anyone have experience with differences in internet speeds?

Im a UK GSM user. Heres what i can tell you off hand.
Check the Rhodium CDMA forum to see if there is a HardSPL (I dont think so, yet)
$100 dollars is a lot of monies
Not cross compatible, dont do it. Dont think about it, im sure bad things happen.
No idea about internet speeds.
Me personally? GSM Model, $100 is a lot but there are far more GSM users on XDA devs therefore far more things to play about with. This phone is a toy for me, i dont need it but it occupies me. You chose!

Actually $349.99 for Sprint and T-Mobile
AT&T not listed as of yet, I will try to barter it for $199 when it comes out

Verizon actually looks very nice, but knowing them they usually block alot of stuff on their device or charge extra for things that should be free...
ATT is the way to go for me atleast...you get a wider support if its a gsm phone vs. cdma

The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.

Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!

bimori said:
The reason why verizon's TP2 is cheaper is because they require you to have a data plan for as long as you own the phone. the data plan is $29.99 a month. Thats $360 extra a year. I dont think spring requires a data plan which is why theirs is more expensive.
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Sorry, but Sprint also charges you for a data plan for as long as you have the phone. However, I'm not sure whether they lock you into it for the duration of the contract or not, but who gets a smartphone without data these days?

GeoffM said:
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.

GeoffM said:
Verizon & Sprint = CDMA & GSM (first world phone for them cept BB an Nextel) Uses MSA 7601 Chip (Sprint's add on Data is 15 bucks WIN WIN with Sprint)
AT&T = GSM only and poor expensive data Network - Use's MSA7200 Chip < FAIL!
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I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?

toiletduk said:
The AT&T network is consistently the fastest. It only lags slightly behind Verizon in coverage, too.
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I'm gonna have to seriously disagree with this. This only applies in big cities. Verizon has better overall coverage and better broadband coverage. At&t also has HORRID customer service. Before At&t took over I would've agreed with this but At&t screwed everything up.
On the note of the one i would buy I would buy the Verizon or Sprint one based on the messed up keyboard design that at&t continues to go with.

I dont know about horrid customer service, It can be bad at times, but I had a tilt and warranty exchanged it twice and got a fuse. I think playing dumb with att will get you where you want to go and more info than you were looking for, Data coverage always varies upon where you live, I have lived in the sticks of upper michigan for a while now, NO 3G but never a dropped call and I mean never When I was in a bigger city with my fuse my data speeds were impressive but every time I went ut of range of a tower and conected to another it dropped my call, which is utter bull. So If your looking to buy a phone check out the internal specs on the device, see what can be unlocked and flashed to your liking and look at the device to see if it is aesthetically pleasing to your eye not someone elses, if you like the way it looks and what its got in it buy it. But just from my point of view dont buy CDMA having a sim card rocks you can put it into any phone and bam! new phone! Well any compatible phone but there are a lot of them. CDMA phones are a carriers way of shoving a cactus up you a** and telling you to like it.

7600 vs 7601
sdlopez83 said:
I know I should research this but do you know the differences between both chips. I am sure people on this thread are interested as well. Any clock speed differences or is it just the carrier hermaphrodite ability?
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Former Qualcommer here, and was involved in this, at least from the finance perspective.
The chips are identical in function. The only difference between the two of them were that the 7601 chips had a power save function disabled to be in compliance with a broadcom ruling on the 686 patent infringement case. This has long since been settled and the two companies are at peace with each other. It was only an issue for chips being imported into the USA from Singapore.
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Thank you for the clarification.

I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier

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I havent seen anyone respond about the Verizon version TP2 being crippled so I will. It IS NOT for the first time, everything is the same as the others except the Verizon version is much sexier
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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...

Dont forget that if you have AT&T's family plan, you can ditch the data plan for the TP2 and add medianet for the dumb phone for $15 then swap SIM chip. Now you have TP2 with unlimited data plan for only $15.

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THANK YOU!!! I'm considering the leap to Verizon. I would definitely like to know what you think of the device. What the removal of the ctrl key to add another message key. I really thought that was dumb...
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Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!

how do we even know if weve got the CDMA or GSM version .. ??

stanglifemike said:
Absolutely wonderful!! The screen on this thing is simply beautiful, and the speed and smoothness of TF3D is quite an improvement of the TP. Overall, the BEST ppc that I have laid eyes on and I enjoy using it everytime I pick it up....enjoy looking at it too. I highly reccomend it!!
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Hmmm I was expecting a comparison to the WWE edition. The comparisons to the TP is what i already know but thanks. I had the TP and the Xperia and no doubt that the TP2 is by far better than those two. It is the greatest winmo device i've ever used and it had the best stock rom i've ever used as well. Thats why i'm thinking about making the switch to cdma. I like to be able to change phones as much as I want thats why i stuck with At&t.

well I'm sure you know about the GSM capabilities and the Verizon sim card already installed in the phone

HTC Tilt 2 Only TP2 with 802.11b/g/e/i Wifi

The thread title says it all. AT&T's Touch Pro 2 is the only one of the 4 US carriers to feature 802.11b/g/e/i Wifi while all other carriers only have 802.11b/g.
Now the unbranded HTC Touch Pro 2 from HTC Europe's homepage also only features the 802.11b/g
I looked up the 802.11e/i and they are older standards: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11e-2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11i-2004
Now because they are older standards, I am assuming that AT&T is just fluffing up their phone's specs by adding them to their advertising material, however I wanted some community verification to find out if their other Touch Pro models do come with the e/i standard such as AT&T.
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Daniel

alot of security and multimedia access control but
802.16e-2005, would be the only band worth mentioning but I bet att won't implement that! That is the mobile wimaxx that would be greatly appreciated.

Uh, 802.11i is just WPA, which all modern wifi devices can do.
I'd imagine they are all using the same chips, so they probably all have 'e' as well. Not that it really matters.

Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.

atomixpaintball said:
Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.
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Huge marketing scam?
You mean like their coverage maps or the lie about being the "nations fastest 3g network" or the lie about iPhone users not being primarily responsible for the huge explosion in data usage or the lie about increasing capital expenditures for network build-out, or the scam about delaying their 4g build-out because according to them there won't be LTE phones around to use it?

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Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.
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It's not a scam to market what you offer.
It'd be misleading if they said those things were super important, but not misleading to say they offer them.

I am Network plus certified and I had to look up the E and I. These are not separate standards per se' rather they are additions to the other standards. a,b,g and n are the only standards that deal with speed other than the wimax standard. So in my view they are trying to mislead by saying you have more than anyone else. They do add to security and to better use of bandwidth they are not faster than the others and people not intimately familiar with these would think they are actually getting something they aren't. I am sure that technically they follow the 2 standards but then again the others probably do to. Fluff marketing. In terms of what the user will see nothing.

AT&T iz teh suxxors11!!1
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Thats what I figured, but AT&T was the only one advertising the 802.11b/g/e/i which is a huge marketing scam.
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Yeah, it kinda similar to their "AT&T optimized" keyboard. AT&T marketing is a joke. I remember seeing their comparison charts for the Tilt 2 when they were first leaked, those were good for a laugh.
AT&T docs show Tilt 2 specs

AT&T withdrew application to buy out T-Mobile

Looks like FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski's request for a formal hearing on AT&T's proposed acquisition of T-Mobile may have had a bit of an effect. AT&T has announced that it and Deutsche Telekom have formally withdrawn their application related to the deal's approval that was submitted back in April. Interestingly, AT&T went on to say that because of the FCC's request for a hearing, it's added a $4 billion charge into its Q4 2011 financials to reflect the amount it would owe should the deal fail to be approved. That $4 billion breaks down into $3 billion in cash and $1 billion worth of spectrum.
All of this doesn't necessarily mean that AT&T and Deutsche Telekom are just giving up on the deal, though, as AT&T specifically says that the two companies are continuing pursuit of the sale of DT's assets. AT&T explains that it's withdrawn the FCC application in order to step back and reconsider all of its options with the government agency and will refile the application "as soon as practical." The carrier added that it plans to focus on winning the antitrust case that the U.S. Department of Justice has filed against it, either through the court case that's already pending or through alternate means.
Today's news is some of the biggest that we've seen come out of the AT&T-Mobile deal since it was announced back in March. Obviously the proposed acquisition is still very much on the table, but AT&T and Deutsche Telekom's moves give off the vibe that they're not quite as confident about the merger's approval as they may have once been. It'll be interesting to see how opponents of the acquisition react to today's news (I bet Sprint is having a happy Thanksgiving) and how the deal progresses going forward. As usual, we'll keep you up to date as the story continues to play out, so stay tuned!
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Good news, guys?

If it were over, it would be in the consumer's best interest. But they are withdrawing only their application to the FCC because the FCC has steadfastly resisted the merger (kudos to them). Now, ATT and the FCC get to fight it out in court. Hopefully the DOJ is not swayed by ATT's empty compromises. This deal would create a significant monopoly and stifle innovation while removing options the consumer has today. Remember that Deutsche Telekom is a non-US company and unlike ATT, everything it does, including its radio frequencies, is global.

Yah it's over
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Yah it's over
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Sure hope you are right -
but according to a communication analyst quoted in the New York times there is a low chance that At&T might still be able to pull it off
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/25/t...-mobile-takes-a-step-back.html?pagewanted=all

i actually welcome the idea
if ATT + Tmo merger went through, that will mean the end of the AWS phones
Tmo is the only mass network that attracts phone manufactures to make AWS 1700/2100 phones
the first thing ATT wanted to do is to take down the AWS network to use it for LTE
so hell no, i don't support that

If T-Mobile goes down all those 1700 phones will be gone. Then those of us in Canada who use Mobilicity/Wind will be stuck with crappy phones.

yup
Also, Rogers in Canada is following its Big brother ATT foot steps as well, is trying to kick out Wind, and snatch the 1700/2100 for LTE
once Wind is out of the market, Mobilicity will become easy pray to the, as Mobi doesn't have the funds to hold against fight vs RoBelus team
Wind can take the fight simply because it has multinational backing like Tmobile

So I'm a bit confused...in the quote in the op it mentions att has set aside the money for Tmobile, but does that mean they are paying out?
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AllGamer said:
i actually welcome the idea
if ATT + Tmo merger went through, that will mean the end of the AWS phones
Tmo is the only mass network that attracts phone manufactures to make AWS 1700/2100 phones
the first thing ATT wanted to do is to take down the AWS network to use it for LTE
so hell no, i don't support that
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That's a good reason for Canadians to oppose the merger, but your neighbors to the south have other good reason to oppose the merger -
higher prices for rate plans
crappier customer service
tendency to cripple their phones unnecessarily
There is some speculation that t-mobile might disappear even if this merger fails (the parent company, T-Mobile International AG, may sell t-mobile for parts) and if that happens I am moving to Sprint.

kenvan19 said:
So I'm a bit confused...in the quote in the op it mentions att has set aside the money for Tmobile, but does that mean they are paying out?
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ATT still needs to pay aprox 1 Bil even if the merger does not come through as they hoped.
that was on the original proposal, it was all over the news
so either way Tmo comes out on top either way

koyanishi said:
That's a good reason for Canadians to oppose the merger, but your neighbors to the south have other good reason to oppose the merger -
higher prices for rate plans
crappier customer service
tendency to cripple their phones unnecessarily
There is some speculation that t-mobile might disappear even if this merger fails (the parent company, T-Mobile International AG, may sell t-mobile for parts) and if that happens I am moving to Sprint.
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we here up north have pretty much the same issues, so we would like to keep as many competitors as possible
before Windmobile and Mobilicity the prices were ridiculous over here
they are still ridiculous on Rogers (ATT), Bell, and other big guys
also the Rogers/Bell customer service it has been the worse for like 20 years straight...
if Wind and Mobi gets shuts-down in the near future, then i think i'll stop using cell phone all together, it's simply not worth it at the insane prices over here
Canada has the worse rate world wide, it's been documented in many research on the news from UK and USA

The merger is not dead but its on life support. Tmobile is looking to get out of the USA market and is willing to wait for AT&T work it through the courts or a Republican wins the presidency. DOJ and FCC are run by poltical appointees.
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Not to mention ATT has no interest in UMA.

This does not mean they are not moving forward. I believe they are going to try and get DOJ approval, then if they do, resubmit. I actually work for T-Mobile, and if it's either merge, or have DT look at other options for use, I kinda hope the merger goes through lol
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I would love to see this merger fail. If T-Mo got all the money from that breakup fee, it's just a matter of wanting to stay in the US because that would give them enough to keep going for awhile. I can already imagine having to upgrade to an AT&T phone with way higher prices and slower 3G speeds...LTE is probably comparable to T-Mo's HSPA+ 42 (Verizon's LTE is virtually identical), then there's data caps..so it would just be all around bad...

Tmo gets 4 Bil for breakup fee, that's super rich
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204449804577068562250634398.html
AT&T has acknowledged that the deal is more likely to fail than succeed and set aside $4 billion to cover the breakup fee it would owe T-Mobile USA owner Deutsche Telekom AG.
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I am glad this failed cuz now it puts tmo in the perfect position to be bought out by Google. The idea is being called the first fully integrated information company/network. Scary on one level because it lends itself ripe for corruption and sensoring but on the other hand it is Google, who has never given me reason to worry. Were it Facebook or yahoo looking to purchase tmo I would be very wary.

AllGamer said:
Tmo gets 4 Bil for breakup fee, that's super rich
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204449804577068562250634398.html
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They also suppose to get some spectrum from at&t and a roaming agreement. At&t is going through everything necessary to get the spectrum t-mobile has. Even in talks about selling off 40% of tmobile customers with leap mobile who ever they are.

I think its just a ploy to wait till after the election and then resubmit the application if a republican president gets elected (very likely). Conservatives tend to support mergers such as this as they believe in the free market determining everything, even if its not in the interest of the pubic. Allowing the merger would result in the last affordable post paid carrier being dismantled. We'll all be at the mercy of AT&T and Verizon. Sprint will probably merge too if this goes thorough, I mean why not if you allow this.
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I am glad this failed cuz now it puts tmo in the perfect position to be bought out by Google. The idea is being called the first fully integrated information company/network. Scary on one level because it lends itself ripe for corruption and sensoring but on the other hand it is Google, who has never given me reason to worry. Were it Facebook or yahoo looking to purchase tmo I would be very wary.
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I would love to see google buy tmo. we would probably stay seeing a lot more AOSP phones.
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Verizon Draws Line In The Sand For Microsoft's WP7

While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
Source: CNET Via: Winsupersite
Verizon draws a line in the sand with Microsoft? | wpcentral | Windows Phone News, Forums, and Reviews

deadwrong03 said:
While Verizon has the HTC Trophy as it's one and only Windows Phone, the wireless provider has given Microsoft an ultimatum of sorts that could see the Verizon dropping Windows Phone all together.
In a recent interview with CNET Verizon Wireless's Chief Marketing Officer Marni Walden commented,
"We've communicated to Microsoft that LTE is critical to us. We need to see a timeline that makes sense if we want to continue to represent them."
Microsoft hasn't responded to Walden's comments but has said it would add LTE support to Windows Phone but hasn't addressed the "when" of the subject. Should Microsoft and Verizon part ways, the wireless company will focus it's smartphone line-up on Android devices and the iPhone (which doesn't support LTE).
Verizon is still working with Microsoft on this issue and hopefully common ground can be found to bring the second generation Windows Phones to Verizon. If not, does the success of Windows Phones hinge on a Verizon model or will Microsoft do just fine without?
Source: CNET Via: Winsupersite
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I'd think it's more of a planning prep on V's part. They can't exactly start an ad campaign that states "the most LTE devices" or anything like that if apple and microsoft haven't caught up yet. V is pushing it's LTE big time, and LTE should be pushed. It's not necessary to sell a phone, but every time a standard is adopted and speeds are increased, we all benefit.
Microsoft doesn't really benefit by LTE directly in phone sales. It's just another radio to them, much like Apple. On the other hand, they're in the business of getting more mindshare, and selling more licenses. With those licenses come more vender tie-ins, and that means BIG MONEY.
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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...

...not to mention as soon as LTE is finished, there will be 5G or Super-Duper LTE or some new thing...

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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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I was wondering about that too.
Re-reading the quote from Walden, it is a bit ambiguous. Verizon wants to see a roadmap/timeline from Microsoft about LTE support, but they don't mention Apple at all. That could imply that Apple has provided such a roadmap to the carrier, while not releasing it to the public (a somewhat reasonable conclusion, I suppose), or that Versizon believes that Apple represents a large enough revenue stream to overlook the lack of LTE (which WP doesn't quite represent yet).
The question is, why wouldn't Microsoft want to communicate their plans to the carrier, at least to confirm that LTE is coming?

LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
The next iPhone is almost guaranteed to be LTE, and Apple isn't comparable to Microsoft, because Apple has greater Mindshare and sells way more phones than WP7. The 4S set records on almost every carrier who got it, and sold 4M units in a weekend on Pre-Order. No other phone performs that well.
Trying to call Apple out would not help Verizon, especially with AT&T starting to roll out their LTE network now. By the time the iPhone 5 launches, AT&T can have LTE in enough places that iPhone users wanting an upgrade (and leaving for AT&T) can significantly affect their bottom line. It would be a dumb move.
WP7 is the platform with something to prove, not Apple. iOS matches or exceeds WP7 in every area. Microsoft needs a competitive Advantage, and not getting to LTE before Apple does on Verizon (or even WiMax on Sprint) is not a good strategy, IMO.

calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.

N8ter said:
LTE support will require re-speccing CDMA devices for Verizon's network. The SoCs that Microsoft uses in WP7 do not support LTE. They will likely not have LTE support until they have Dual Core CPU [official] support in the OS/Devices.
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Doesn't the HTC Thunderbolt use the same SoC used in today's Windows Phones?
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Lol even though they would never draw that line for apple and iPhone...
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Verizon (and everyone else) isn't in the position to dictate anything to Apple. Apple dictates to them. Just look at the Sprint deal.

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calling out only one single os is an equally dumb move imo...
wouldn't want to upset the isheep though
Lte is barely available anywhere anyway.
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You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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Dual Core, 4G, LTE all this will do is drain the $h!t out of your battery life. I can't wait to see the iFans faces drop when their battery goes down hill because of LTE.

N8ter said:
You're that clueless about Verizon LTE coverage and the speed at which they're rolling it out?
Apple phone launch = camp outs at the store. WP device launch =?
Verizon is in the business of making money. They will push what sells and make them the most money. Additionally Apple users are more willing to upgrade a phone year over year than WinPhone users. It has nothing to do with iSheep or WinTards.
See what I did there?
As for the Thunderbolt that needs confirmation. (You're right)
It has the Qualcomm MSM8655 Snapdragon. Is that the same one in the new Mango phones. The radio would be totally different, though, so I'm unsure of the technical details beyond that. I think the Thunderbolt is renowned for terrible battery life, though the Photon 4G and Bionic seem to have better battery life on 4G/LTE.
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considering I dont live in the states I can only go with what i read/hear..
So what iPhone sales are higher?
A phone company should know better than to show that blatant of favoritism..
What if wp7 gets huge? It will take a bit but it could happen.
I'm sure they wouldn't forget that

Not many people follow what Verizon says...after all, they're the same guys that rejected the iPhone then kissed Apple's ass to get it.

They're the largest wireless carrier in the USA.
Over 100M people follow what they say.
If WP7 gets huge then they can use their user base to dictate the terms of deals, as Apple has done beautifully.
Sprint isn't exactly the richest carrier, but look how much they were willing to invest just to get the iPhone 4/4S.

Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.

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Glad to see you're back to your usual masking opinions as facts self, but truth be told, Verizon was last to release a WP7 phone...and they only have one...they are hardly in a position to make demands...they can decide to sell Android and iPhone...Microsoft will still get paid.
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I'm glad you're not in charge

...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.

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...don't really know what that has to do with what I posted, but it's true...Microsoft knows "LTE" "4G" and all that is just marketing...everyone using a WP7 phones knows it doesn't need dual core, 4G, or none of that stuff.
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Its all just marketing? What makes you say that? It kind of sounds like you've fallen for some "you dont really need this thing we don't support" marketing. WP7 needs features and hardware that can compete with iOS and Android. That's it.

Says you, I've been using this HD7 since December 2010....still works fine and with no lag...only spec sheep care about that...the iPhone 4s sold more than all the others WITHOUT LTE or 4G.

That's exactly my point. The iPhone can afford it. Windows phone can't. That's what happens when you're three years later to market and gave apple a 3 year lead in building out their ecosystem.
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The iPhone didn't start off on fire, it gained a following...case in point: I had Sprint and a TP2, have a friend w/T-Mo and got an HD2 on their 2nd line. I then got my HD7 and they left T-Mo and got an Evo 3-D...they just left Sprint and got a Radar because of my HD7...word of mouth is way better than specs.

T-Mobile and Metro PCS Merger Approved by FCC

This can only mean great things. Better coverage, handsets and plans.
Your Thoughts?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57573867-38/feds-approve-t-mobile-merger-with-metropcs/

1SiK1500 said:
This can only mean great things. Better coverage, handsets and plans.
Your Thoughts?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57573867-38/feds-approve-t-mobile-merger-with-metropcs/
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Time will tell but less competition in the wireless industry has had the opposite effect in the industry in the past so I'm skeptical.
I'm curious to see how many people get laid off as well. :/

EtherealRemnant said:
Time will tell but less competition in the wireless industry has had the opposite effect in the industry in the past so I'm skeptical.
I'm curious to see how many people get laid off as well. :/
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They already did layoffs preemptively... That way they couldn't be forced as part of the deal to keep the same workforce as premerger.
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Anything merging with tmobile sounds like trouble. Not too long ago the parent company wanted to leave the business and sell to At&t leaving their customers wondering what was next.
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1SiK1500 said:
This can only mean great things. Better coverage, handsets and plans.
Your Thoughts?
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57573867-38/feds-approve-t-mobile-merger-with-metropcs/
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I have been with VoiceStream, now TMobile since 1998. At least every couple years I seriously look to see if another company would better service my needs. So far Tmobile has won my business, although I have not always been a happy camper.
This Galaxy S3 is my 4th smartphone and the first one where those around me are not hearing my tirade "I hate this f*&%$* phone".
Very pleased with the S3. Using Liquid Smooth 2.1 RC2. Sometmes with stock kernel, sometimes with KT747 or LeanKernel.

GeneLM said:
I have been with VoiceStream, now TMobile since 1998. At least every couple years I seriously look to see if another company would better service my needs. So far Tmobile has won my business, although I have not always been a happy camper.
This Galaxy S3 is my 4th smartphone and the first one where those around me are not hearing my tirade "I hate this f*&%$* phone".
Very pleased with the S3. Using Liquid Smooth 2.1 RC2. Sometmes with stock kernel, sometimes with KT747 or LeanKernel.
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As soon as my ATT contract expired with an iPhone 4, I moved to T-Mobile with a Samsung Galaxy S3. For the family plan pricing, the better "unlimited dataplan", etc. I've been very pleased.
At this point in time, I do not miss ATT nor the iPhone 4.
EtherealRemnant said:
Time will tell but less competition in the wireless industry has had the opposite effect in the industry in the past so I'm skeptical.
I'm curious to see how many people get laid off as well. :/
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My understanding is that MetroPCS is a "regional" carrier and not part of the top 4 "nation wide" carriers. FCC didn't see this as a limitation of competition as all the major choices remain. In the Washington state area, I've watched regional carriers disappear, or leave the cellular service and stick to land line/internet services only.
No matter the reason, it's unfortunate when anyone is laid off, but that is a factor of change as well. Look at the bureau of labor statistics report in 2012 that shows that the average person born (1957-1964) held 11.3 jobs. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/nlsoy.pdf
The reality of graduating from High School and then going into a trade and expecting a single job for the rest of your life, even with labor union help, is just bordering on fantasy. I expect this will increase with the new generation of workers starting into the workforce in 1990 up.

MetroPCS is a regional carrier like Cricket but they have a considerable amount of spectrum licenses which really is the problem. With such finite amounts of spectrum available (or even suitable) for wireless usage, the carriers with the spectrum are the carriers that dominate.
That's why its really no surprise that Verizon has such a stranglehold on LTE right now. With their purchase of the entire 700MHz upper C block, they can roll out their towers much faster than anyone else because they don't have to worry about their service extending into areas they don't hold a license in, something the other carriers have to be wary of when they are doing network planning and one of the biggest oversights in FCC history in my opinion. Everyone else has to have cookie cutter networks while Verizon can deploy a contiguous network anywhere in the US that they feel like it.

I wonder what would happen to MetroPCS users. My mom have Metro and she's been thinking about getting a s3. Heal I wanted to buy it for her. But after this I wonder if I should wait or just get her to sign up for another carrier.