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anyone else....

NOTE: before i begin i want to say that im NOT bashing anyone or any developers!!! i love them and thank them for everything that they have done to make android what it is!!!! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!
now to begin..
do you guys think that both software and hardware (at least in the mobile world) are moving too fast?
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2) . and now we have a $200 tablet with a quadcore CPU with 178 degree viewing angle. that runs better then a $500 tablet! YES, thats right the nexus 7 run better (as in it is smoother, higher benchmark, and games will run better, less lag) then the asus transformer prime!!!!
Software: look how much has change between gingerbread (2.3.7) and jellybean (4.1). it has grown to be sooooo much. and developers (this is what im talking about at the top... im NOT bashing) but they can't keep up, and not only the people making custom ROMs but OEMs cant keep up. the jellybean SDK is out (and hopefully soon the source will be too) and we dont even have ICS! and look at cyanogen mod they brought ICS nightlies to a few specific devices but soon ICS will be an old version of android. and hopefully they will try to keep up with android. the code keeps changing so developers (like CM, AOKP, and straight AOSP) have to relearn the source code.
the mobile world is changing at a amazing rate and things will never be the same

again im NOT bashing i thank everyone

The devs here are ahead of the manufacturers. It's not really that it's moving so fast, it's just that the manufacturers are behind. Think about it, as a company, would you continue to lay out to your employees to update a phone that you're no longer selling (making money on)?
Realize that the Google phones (nexus etc) are receiving jelly bean, etc as they are built...
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basketthis said:
The devs here are ahead of the manufacturers. It's not really that it's moving so fast, it's just that the manufacturers are behind. Think about it, as a company, would you continue to lay out to your employees to update a phone that you're no longer selling (making money on)?
Realize that the Google phones (nexus etc) are receiving jelly bean, etc as they are built...
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yes the one specific device that google planned the hardware for....
but...
look at CM7 it got to a lot of devices (stable) ( i think between 60 and 80) but CM9 has gotten to a select few ( not stable but nightlies) and there is a new version of android that hopefully they will move to

I personally think either the OEMs need to pick up the pace and make a commitment to the customers that they will support their phones for 24 months and that if a new version of android drops. They will have it available for download to that device within. 6months of release. What does this mean for the OEM. They would have to hire more quality employes that can code and bust ass. Or Google needs to pish back releases from once a year to once every 18 months or so. I personally feel the oems should rise up and start making some waves and getting g these updates and phone knocked out. They could do it if they wanted. But they don't want to hire more employees and **** cause that would cut into profits. This k about it. If there was a team of 8-10 devs per device for a manufacturer. Their sole job would be to keep that device updated with the latest software. Once the 24 month mark hit the device. Move them to another new device and start again. Yeah it would cost more. But it would make for happy customers and happy customer buy more phones from you.
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I don't think it's moving to fast. I'm a firm believer that tech companies have tech that to us would be 5 years advanced, but they're just sitting on it to stretch it out and milk the money.
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jamcar said:
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2).
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Why are these tegra thingys named after super heros
Wayne- Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman
Grey- Jean grey a.k.a. phoenix
Logan- James howlett a.k.a. wolverine
Stark- anthony edward stark a.k.a. iron man
Also why does marvel have so much more love than dc. They are both pretty great. At least they got the best man in dc Batman
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jamcar said:
NOTE: before i begin i want to say that im NOT bashing anyone or any developers!!! i love them and thank them for everything that they have done to make android what it is!!!! THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!!!!!
now to begin..
do you guys think that both software and hardware (at least in the mobile world) are moving too fast?
Hardware:i mean look at the tegra series, with Wayne, Grey, Logan, and last but not least Stark (definitely not least; it is projected to 75 times stronger then tegra2) . and now we have a $200 tablet with a quadcore CPU with 178 degree viewing angle. that runs better then a $500 tablet! YES, thats right the nexus 7 run better (as in it is smoother, higher benchmark, and games will run better, less lag) then the asus transformer prime!!!!
Software: look how much has change between gingerbread (2.3.7) and jellybean (4.1). it has grown to be sooooo much. and developers (this is what im talking about at the top... im NOT bashing) but they can't keep up, and not only the people making custom ROMs but OEMs cant keep up. the jellybean SDK is out (and hopefully soon the source will be too) and we dont even have ICS! and look at cyanogen mod they brought ICS nightlies to a few specific devices but soon ICS will be an old version of android. and hopefully they will try to keep up with android. the code keeps changing so developers (like CM, AOKP, and straight AOSP) have to relearn the source code.
the mobile world is changing at a amazing rate and things will never be the same
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Probably most of you didn't catch the Reddit post about Linus's talk recently, but I do agree with him on one thing. "Nvidia, **** you (flips the camera the bird)!"
http://m.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/06/torvalds-nvidia-linux/
LOL
" Then he took a bit of shot at Microsoft — the historical rival of Linux. He said that Linux is the only operating system that uses the same kernel across all devices — and that this includes Microsoft Windows. “Nobody has ever done that before,” he said. “[Microsoft] claims they’re trying to [create a single kernel with] Windows 8. They’re lying. They’re not. They’re full of ****.”"
I love Linus for not being afraid to speak his mind wherever that might be.

the only reason i choose the tegra series is because the majority of people know about it and they are very powerful chips

gtuansdiamm said:
Why are these tegra thingys named after super heros
Wayne- Bruce Wayne a.k.a. Batman
Grey- Jean grey a.k.a. phoenix
Logan- James howlett a.k.a. wolverine
Stark- anthony edward stark a.k.a. iron man
Also why does marvel have so much more love than dc. They are both pretty great. At least they got the best man in dc Batman
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why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?

jamcar said:
why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?
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Phones after a fish? I know the word nexus has multiple meanings. As for the deserts thing I'm not sure. I have wondered this myself.
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why does google name android after deserts and their phones after fish?!?!?
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Their phones are named after fish?!?
Please eloborate
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gtuansdiamm said:
Their phones are named after fish?!?
Please eloborate
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Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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Mattix724 said:
Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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Wow!!! I never noticed that.
I have to agree??? I think that it is moving too fast. You cant even hold a phone for 6 months now with out it being outdated. The nexus was supposed to be the top android phone, and I think google dropped the ball on that with the nexus s, and then they started making them carrier specific, which ruins the freaking point of having a nexus. Now you have samsung releasing "s voice" before google releases "google now", samsung releasing a quad core before google, blah, blah, blah..... I dont know. The majority of phones dont have ICS yet, but here comes google releasing JB. OEMs have been fu**ing off "trying" to release ICS, now they have another hurdle to get over. I dont even care anymore. Hell, I have been looking at buying another samsung moment just to have boring again.

Mattix724 said:
Goldfish for example...
Crespo, Maguro, Tuna...
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All I know was that nexus s was crespo and I didn't know that was a fish
Which devices are the rest?
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gtuansdiamm said:
All I know was that nexus s was crespo and I didn't know that was a fish
Which devices are the rest?
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"soju" for Nexus S (worldwide version, i9020t and i9023)
"sojua" for Nexus S (850MHz version, i9020a)
"sojuk" for Nexus S (Korea version, m200)
"sojus" for Nexus S 4G (d720, archived, for reference only)
"yakju" for Galaxy Nexus "maguro" (GSM/HSPA+)
"takju" for Galaxy Nexus "maguro" (GSM/HSPA+) (with Google Wallet)
"nakasi" for Nexus 7
"mysid" for Galaxy Nexus "toro" (CDMA/LTE) (archived, for reference only)

Semi-Rant: Tired of People Saying the Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus

I am tired and weary of combating all of these claims, when they simply are not true.
What makes a Nexus device? Overall, the Google marketing? team responsible for it names the device. They decide what falls under the Nexus moniker. It is a name, and nothing more. I know a lot of people think it means it is a developer phone. No, it does not mean that. The Nexus Q has the Nexus name, but I really doubt you will be seeing AOSP support for it. Time will tell.
Is the Nexus a developer phone? Sure. Is it marketed or expected to be a phone specifically for developers? No.
In the past, Google has released an ADP, short for Android Developer Phone. There was the ADP1, ADP2, ADP3 (which turned out to be the Nexus One). These phones were not sold at carrier locations, not subsidized, and specifically meant for developers. It was before my time with Android, but I believe the ADP1 (basically an unlocked G1) required you to register with Google as a developer. The ADP2 came out later, and once again Google made it clear it was not meant for non-developers.
The Nexus devices were when Google decided to meld developer and end user devices. The Nexus One was provided unsubsidized from Google for a time, and subsidized through Tmobile. Verizon took a shot at it, but canceled the phone early on in testing. These phones did not require registration as a developer, and were sold in carrier stores.
The Nexus S expanded upon this. It was available to multiple carriers subsidized. Sprint received a model called the Nexus S 4G. It had full AOSP support with the exception of WIMAX (I think). Google had resdistribution licenses for Gingerbread and all was right in the world. Yes, the 4G received updates slower than the plain Nexus S, but it still received them. It was a Nexus device.
Fast forward to today. The Galaxy Nexus has been released as GSM, and CDMA/LTE. Verizon gets updated directly from Google, but does not authorize them for OTA until they meet their 'quality standard'. Then Google throws the switch. Google builds them, through and through. The Verizon model has been the center of controversy for some time because Google was unable to obtain redistrubtion licenses for the proprietary blobs. It still had all of the code needed to build from AOSP though, but without CDMA or LTE. This was because Google could not give us the proprietary files needed to make such things work. Their hands were tied, because it is closed source. So, Google threw their hands up in the air and told the world after they tried to obtain the rights for a while when 4.0.3 came out. Did it change anything? A little. It was made clear that because the licenses could not be obtained, that AOSP would include what it always has for CDMA/LTE, but not the proprietaries for download. In addition, it meant that Google would no longer pay someone to test the CDMA/LTE code in AOSP because they cannot even support a full build due to the licensing issues. This ruling extended to all CDMA devices, even the Nexus S 4G. This has never been an issue with GSM, because Google has a license to redistribute the blobs.
What does this change? Well for one, it is up to us to find our own CDMA/LTE blobs from a rom or phone. By the way, we aren't allowed to do this if you follow the license. We do anyway
It also means if/when we find a bug in the CDMA/LTE AOSP code, we cannot expect Google to fix it. I don't really foresee this becoming an issue, but it could.
Now, back to the original subject. Does it mean the Verizon phone isn't a Nexus? I mean, it has BLOAT (apks and libs for Verizon apps to work as well as Backup Assistant for those coming from feature phones).
No! It is a Nexus. Every device has proprietary blobs. The Verizon model has a couple more. The Sprint model has a few more than that. However, who cares? Do you guys think the yakjuxx variants are not Nexus devices? They get updates even slower than Verizon or Sprint. Nexus devices can exist, even if Google cancels AOSP tomorrow. AOSP does not make a Nexus device. A design and vision that Google oversees makes a Nexus. Thats it.
All devices have open and closed sourced items.
All devices have proprietary blobs.
It doesn't matter that Verizon includes a couple extra items, or decides to test updates longer than Google. As I mentioned before, not everything on ANY Nexus device is open source.
GSM requires proprietary blobs.
CDMA requires proprietary blobs.
A licensing issue does not undo a device from being a Nexus. Neither do delayed carrier updates. If you live in the US and have a subsidized or network locked device, you should expect that the carrier has control over your hardware. There is no other way to put it, but it does not change the overall nature of the device. Not all Nexus updates are coming from Google anymore as well. Yakjuxx variants as well as Sprint's Toroplus model get updates built from Samsung.
Ok, I want to say a lot more, but I will stop here.

A nexus is a nexus, but I didn't like that fact Verizon wanted to **** around with the software causing a standoff between them and Google.

I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
..Gromet
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Gromet said:
I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
..Gromet
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I had 4.1 on my CDMA Toroplus within 24hrs of the announcement. That's why I got a Nexus. Who cares when the carriers are gonna push the OTA?

Gromet said:
I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
..Gromet
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This. I have the sprint nexus and I'm def getting one off the play store and slapping an att sim in there next time.
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Gromet said:
I'm sorry but I think that the Verizon nexus is a joke for one main reason. A true Nexus device gets updates directly from Google not once the Carrier makes modifications and feels they want release the update.
..Gromet
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Verizon makes no modifications to anything Google does. Verizon doesn't even develop their own software. They send Google what they want on the device. What you like or dislike does not change the device from being a Nexus.
Moving on...

phatmanxxl said:
A nexus is a nexus, but I didn't like that fact Verizon wanted to **** around with the software causing a standoff between them and Google.
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What standoff? The one the blogosphere invented? I've seen nothing official from Google confirming any standoff.
I sure see a lot of proprietary apks on the Sprint version. Did you here of any dicking around and standoff between Sprint an Google?
Backup Assistant and an Account Management application are hardly a standoff-ish issue. The software was added in, and does not modify any of the actual base code.

jesusice said:
I had 4.1 on my CDMA Toroplus within 24hrs of the announcement. That's why I got a Nexus. Who cares when the carriers are gonna push the OTA?
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I beat you by 12 hours or so, but yeah, same deal. Try that with any other non-Nexus device (and have it fully working).

Folks, likes or dislikes have nothing to do with this thread. I have my own issues about how Verizon handles things.
The thread is about the device being a Nexus, not personal feelings.

Why do people treat this kind of crap like it's Religion?

I believe the reason why people think this is because of the sensational headlines "blogs" create to draw clicks. There are a handful of Android specific blogs (which I won't name) that post the most far-fetched of rumors and the "doomsday" headlines with the sole purpose of creating traffic.
People need to draw their own conclusions on things instead of taking what "Joe Bag 'O Donuts" on [insert] tech blog as fact.

live4nyy said:
Why do people treat this kind of crap like it's Religion?
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More importantly, why do people continue to spread FUD regardless of facts?
Funny how people said we wouldn't see 4.0.4 factory images, wrong. This CDMA nexus bashing is lame and tiresome.
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El Daddy said:
I believe the reason why people think this is because of the sensational headlines "blogs" create to draw clicks. There are a handful of Android specific blogs (which I won't name) that post the most far-fetched of rumors and the "doomsday" headlines with the sole purpose of creating traffic.
People need to draw their own conclusions on things instead of taking what "Joe Bag 'O Donuts" on [insert] tech blog as fact.
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This.
What I wouldn't give to see every blog out there nuked from existence. Do you guys remember the Internet, before blogs existed?
Better days...
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I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.

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jesusice said:
I had 4.1 on my CDMA Toroplus within 24hrs of the announcement. That's why I got a Nexus. Who cares when the carriers are gonna push the OTA?
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^THIS^

adrynalyne said:
I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.
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I hate exclusivity. It's like High School all over again.

adrynalyne said:
I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.
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This. Especially when I hear comments like, "Enjoy waiting [x] months for an update." Just because I have a CDMA Nexus doesn't mean I don't have a "true" Nexus. Even various GSM Nexus models are still officially stuck on 4.0.2.
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Not sure why people are blaming blogs for the fact that the VZW Nexus gets updates months after its unlocked GSM brethren. That's not a made-up problem, it's simply a fact being reported.

adrynalyne said:
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I also can't help but think (especially how some of the inital responses were), that some GSM users feel that Nexus is an exclusive club and CDMA users are not invited.
Just a gut feeling I get from some people. Not relevant to thread or original post content.
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Unfortunately, I think you will find this mentality with anything. (gadgets, cars, sports teams, race, etc.) "Mine is the best and everything else sucks!"
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Cabal_ said:
Not sure why people are blaming blogs for the fact that the VZW Nexus gets updates months after its unlocked GSM brethren. That's not a made-up problem, it's simply a fact being reported.
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That doesn't mean it's not a Nexus device...

Cabal_ said:
Not sure why people are blaming blogs for the fact that the VZW Nexus gets updates months after its unlocked GSM brethren. That's not a made-up problem, it's simply a fact being reported.
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How about the sensationalist standoffs? Plenty of wild claims out there.
Are those fact?
Once again, that still does not make it a non-Nexus device.
Here is a fact for ya:
There are still some maguro devices out there on 4.0.1 and 4.0.2. I still call them Nexus devices.

Multiple Nexus Devices

I apologize for not quoting sources, as I read far too many stories daily using Pulse, but before today, I can recall hearing about a new nexus device rumor story almost bi-weekly across the internet from nearly every major manufacturer ranging from HTC, Samsung (gnex2), Motorola, LG, and possibly more.
My question: Do you think this will be the year that manufacturers across the board begin to all release a variant Nexus device with vanilla Android (see: SGIII Developer Edition) to please the development community? This would've sounded far-fetched possibly even three months ago, but my fellow tech-news addicts will hopefully weigh in and source me here.
What do you think?
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There already other threads on this very topic!
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I apologize if that is the case, as only a quick search didn't turn up much for me. (Maybe I'm just not searching the right terms for this topic) I've trolled xda for a while now and prayed I wouldn't make my entrance making "one of those" posts, but alas, we all begin somewhere.

[Forum Suggestion] Give Nexus devices their own subforum

I'd recommend that we put Nexus devices into their own subforum. They've got their own family of products now. Sure, they're manufactured by different companies (Samsung, Asus, LG, HTC, etc.), but they're run and updated by Google. Using the current logic, most of the phones on this website would probably belong in a Foxconn subforum.
So, with a Google subforum, we'd have;
-Nexus One
-Nexus S
-Galaxy Nexus
-Nexus 4
-Nexus 7
-Nexus 10

I think if you post here it would be more appropriate and you get better chances of it happening..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987254
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Deadly. said:
I think if you post here it would be more appropriate and you get better chances of it happening..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987254
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Nope. Post was deleted there. Moderator said he wanted input, but then said he didn't want input.

jaykresge said:
Nope. Post was deleted there. Moderator said he wanted input, but then said he didn't want input.
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Well, there are 2 threads ... so, I guess I'm confused on what goes where sometimes as the border gets close.. anyway, it was heard..
If its going to get implemented... for that its been pointed out..
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OK it really simple why this is not a great idea. The hardware is also a big deal. Due to hardware diffs just because something works on one device it doesn't mean it will work on others. Had this been 5 years ago that would not have been a problem. With the current state of most users the forums would be filled with bricked device threads. Keeping them separated lowers the chance of this.
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zelendel said:
OK it really simple why this is not a great idea. The hardware is also a big deal. Due to hardware diffs just because something works on one device it doesn't mean it will work on others. Had this been 5 years ago that would not have been a problem. With the current state of most users the forums would be filled with bricked device threads. Keeping them separated lowers the chance of this.
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That can apply to any phone. The Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy S III all have different hardware. Yet, they all fall under Samsung.
All I'm saying is that the Nexus devices should be under Google (the company providing them direct support), and not under Samsung, Asus, LG, etc.

jaykresge said:
That can apply to any phone. The Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy S III all have different hardware. Yet, they all fall under Samsung.
All I'm saying is that the Nexus devices should be under Google (the company providing them direct support), and not under Samsung, Asus, LG, etc.
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Google is only supplying software support. They still look to LG for hardware issues and that is how devices are grouped. By hardware OEM. When Google Makes a Nexus then it will go into a Google section. Until then they will go under the OEM that makes them.

jaykresge said:
That can apply to any phone. The Galaxy S, Galaxy S II, and Galaxy S III all have different hardware. Yet, they all fall under Samsung.
All I'm saying is that the Nexus devices should be under Google (the company providing them direct support), and not under Samsung, Asus, LG, etc.
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The thing is... That's an end user view on this.
From a developer perspective, what matters more is who MADE it... Not who supports it. The Nexus S is a "google" phone according to this logic, but in reality it shares much more with other Samsung phones, and is more linked to those than it is to the Nexus one...
Same for all the other Nexii... The Optimus G and the Nexus 4 are basically the same phone, other than removable SD and locked bootloader. They have more in common than the Nexus 4 has with the other Nexii.

pulser_g2 said:
The thing is... That's an end user view on this.
From a developer perspective, what matters more is who MADE it... Not who supports it. The Nexus S is a "google" phone according to this logic, but in reality it shares much more with other Samsung phones, and is more linked to those than it is to the Nexus one...
Same for all the other Nexii... The Optimus G and the Nexus 4 are basically the same phone, other than removable SD and locked bootloader. They have more in common than the Nexus 4 has with the other Nexii.
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Take a look at my sig, I'm currently developing a forum for these devices and hope to build a nice community.

[Q] Whats a good starter guide to android programing

What's a good starter guide to android programming? :cyclops:
i would like to get deeper into androids, other than what i do now (unlocking installing rom, All that bs does not take a genius) if someone is willing to teach me or let me take part in a program with them, message me. I'm asking here in xda cause if you're going to find anything about android platforms, developing, debugging, customization, unlocking everything, i'll find it here. You guys here got it. Never have i been so impressed as I am with xda and the crews.
Ps that guy on cnet that said google let people down cause of no lte. well bud ask everyone that uses 1700 2100 (aka canada wind mobo networks) ***** u got money i don't, i use wind, i pay 25 unlimited. Thanks google.
Retired:
Apple all together they robbed me untill i found the light of android
Asus Transformer - Sold
Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 - Sold
Motorola Luxe - Sold
Motorola Xoom - Sold
Motorola Atrix - Sold
Motorola Razr - gave away for a nexus
Motorola Razr v - gave away for a nexus s
Waiting for a nexus 4 ???
Currently Owned:
Samsung Galaxy S - Current phone (backup phone)
Samsung Galaxy Nexus - Current phone

I suppose you start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=524

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Pointless post here in the Galaxy Nexus subforums.
There's an Android specific forum with suitable subforuns here at XDA.
Once again:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=564
And it's full of developpers!
Guess what! There's even a subforum called "Android Software Development" in there. And inside that subforum, guess again! There's a pinned thread called "[Guide]Complete Android ROM development and essential tutorials".