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New SEA ROM Update

Hi All
FYI - A new upodate available at HTC for SEA non-branded TP2's.
ROM Version 2.07.707.1
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
http://www.htc.com/sea/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=250&act=sd&cat=all
This one updates to a new version of Sense Ui and other stuff.
Impressions?
1. No Task Manager that can be utilised from the Home Screen (so how to change apps..?).
No Task Manager also means you can't readily see how much RAM is being hogged by the system.
2. No missed calls provision on Home Screen either..?
You do get the small icon on the top bar, a pop-up message AND the LED (green) actually flashes now - had to hack it before to do that.
3. Perhaps it's just mine, but to me the proximity sensor does not work now - it used too.
4. The shortcut Icons are stupidly large (3 per row).
5. The Programs Tab has been removed - this is a drag as the WinMo Programs area is still not dragable (just a go to the top option).
6. The Music Tab seems to now work better - at least it shows Album Art correctly now!
7. There's a Twitter Tab- not that i use it.
8. Calendar works differently.
9. Older Opera than current.
10. Older Google Maps than current.
11. It seems to be way louder than before too, both thru speaker and earpiece on a call - yay!!
12. The People Tab has changed to the new style - good.
13. FYI, SRS W0W (Sector HD2 version) still sends this version into no wakeup from Stand By mode - Damn!
13. New start animation (HTC-Simply Brilliant).
14. New background animations for Screen and Lock Screen.
15. Still can't believe that a Note file is not finger scrollable (WTF), yet Word is....
16. I have a sneaking suspicion that the battery life has taken a hit too, but unconfirmed at this point.
Lots of other changes to the UI, too numerous to make a big list.
In one way it is an improvement, although (to me) there have been a couple of backward steps, but overall, seems to be good.
One final thing, with this new UI - to me at least - it makes the scren look a little ...smaller.
Cheers
Jabberoo

wow, they give us sense 2.5? how generous...lol
but seriously, no task manager? how is the package overall? snappy or slower than 2.1? my old 6.5 upgrade is running sweetly at the moment, but this update is tempting

mr_sheen said:
wow, they give us sense 2.5? how generous...lol
but seriously, no task manager? how is the package overall? snappy or slower than 2.1? my old 6.5 upgrade is running sweetly at the moment, but this update is tempting
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Still unsure, early days.
I have some doubts that the battery life will be as good with this new update, but time will tell. It does seem a little less glitchy when using, the Home Screen seems a little overcrowded though with 2.5.
Still really don't get the no Task Manager thing, how the hell do you multi-task if you have to go through a menu series of hoops to reinstate the underlying programs that are still open.
With that, if they can't be triggered off with an X option (like on the previous versions' TM) they will all just bank up till your RAM says goodnight or you need to go into the bog standard old TM to turn them off.
Maybe I am missing something here, but this is a major oversight....
Also, as above, the no Programs Tab, means you need to use the WinMo Program list and with no real way to put things where you want them (just the Move to Top option) seems kinda dopey too.
Cheers
Jabberoo

jabberoo said:
Still unsure, early days.
I have some doubts that the battery life will be as good with this new update, but time will tell. It does seem a little less glitchy when using, the Home Screen seems a little overcrowded though with 2.5.
Still really don't get the no Task Manager thing, how the hell do you multi-task if you have to go through a menu series of hoops to reinstate the underlying programs that are still open.
With that, if they can't be triggered off with an X option (like on the previous versions' TM) they will all just bank up till your RAM says goodnight or you need to go into the bog standard old TM to turn them off.
Maybe I am missing something here, but this is a major oversight....
Also, as above, the no Programs Tab, means you need to use the WinMo Program list and with no real way to put things where you want them (just the Move to Top option) seems kinda dopey too.
Cheers
Jabberoo
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This is the interface that the HD2 got, am i right? do they new weather animation thats different than sense 2.1?
As for the no task manager, that is totally weird. You might want to write to HTC customer service about that and see what they come up with. I personally think its stupid to exclude the task manager though.
For the start menu, i usually us Joe Wilcox's awesome start thing because i cant stand the honeycomb layout. I thought it was just a mess, and one thing for sure, i never use the start menu. I just put the program tab straight up next to my home tab. So, again, i think its stupid that they got rid of the program tab as well.
How was the opera? you said that it was older right? well in the 6.1 official upgrade it was smooth when i scroll up and down on it, in yhe official 6.5 it just lags and not smooth, although the page renders perfectly. How's the opera scrolling in this package?
thank you for your response though

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Would be good to move this thread to ROM section so more members can see it

AWESOME!!!
Even if Opera is older, actually renders touch.facebook.com alot better than previous releases (ie when ya tap a picture it shows up)
Google Maps 4 loads probably 3 times quicker on this rom than the first official SEA WM6.5
You can tell it to update weather and location on a schedule!! Yay!
It supports turning the ringer down when ya pick up the device, and has a pocket mode that makes it ring louder
It integrates the HTC messaging so ya dont see the ugly MS SMS app anymore
With this ROM, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend a TP2 to my non tech savvy friends.
First impressions: I'm more excited than when I first got my TP2! Now to test Coreplayer and xVID AVIs (which where fine with 6.1 and not the 1st 6.5)

mr_sheen said:
This is the interface that the HD2 got, am i right? do they new weather animation thats different than sense 2.1?
As for the no task manager, that is totally weird. You might want to write to HTC customer service about that and see what they come up with. I personally think its stupid to exclude the task manager though.
For the start menu, i usually us Joe Wilcox's awesome start thing because i cant stand the honeycomb layout. I thought it was just a mess, and one thing for sure, i never use the start menu. I just put the program tab straight up next to my home tab. So, again, i think its stupid that they got rid of the program tab as well.
How was the opera? you said that it was older right? well in the 6.1 official upgrade it was smooth when i scroll up and down on it, in yhe official 6.5 it just lags and not smooth, although the page renders perfectly. How's the opera scrolling in this package?
thank you for your response though
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To the above, yes the Home Screen weather ani is there, but it was the first thing to go - seen it once and after that it just messed with resources.
The same with the annoying uber-flipping clock, maybe good on the HD2 but not so on the TP2 where it tended to be a little laggy and buggy in motion.
I added the X Touch Task Manager back in and now it is as it should have been from the start - much better.
For the Programs Tab, i grabbed Cookies Cab that did some neat stuff, see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=625483. The only down side with this is, as i've just discovered, is that you wont have a landscape Home Screen with the keyboard out...?
I did not really use Opera, just updated it and Google Maps straight away to the latest versions.
Overall, i think it is smoother, a little less laggy and well worth a look.
Did i mention it was louder too?
(I used the Audio Para tweak, but now do not have too)
Cheers
Jabberoo

can anyone confirm that the
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
in previous SEA 2.07 thread, it says 2.5.20121225.0
is there any differences?

x_sliver said:
can anyone confirm that the
Manila Version 2.5.20121225.6
in previous SEA 2.07 thread, it says 2.5.20121225.0
is there any differences?
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I have the same question, too

Contacts & Messaging sucks
While I can agree with some of the improvements that they have made, both contacts and messaging has been screwed up, a big mess.
Often one of this makes the phone hang and should say that I have reset the phone on more occasions in the last 2 days than I have done it in the last 6 months.
Missing feature of Task Manager from the task bar and the Program Tabs are a big let down.
Damn I am now waiting to get the next release, if we will have one.

anybody knows how to cut the RAM usage down at the start? my old official Sense 2.1 managed to started up at 42 % RAM after the resproxy tweaks and no push internet tweak. It seems that in this ROM those tweeks seems to do nothing, After i did the tweak on this Sense 2.5 ROM, the it starts up at 47%.
Anything new then? Plus there seems to be new entry in the resproxy registry called maxsharememsize or something like that. Should we put that to 0?

Does anyone encountered the standby of dead issue in this rom? I have this problem when the first time i lock my phone and go to standby mode from the fresh boot up and it just wouldn't wakeup after i press the power on button. It seems the solution is to wait a little bit longer after you lock your phone then only switch the phone off. I have not seen this problem in previous official sea rom.

i am now seriously considering switching back to the official sense 2.1
why?
1. The resproxy and no push internet tweak doesnt work. My Ram shot >70% after a day where i use all the feature (twitter tab,album,music,lock screen etc)
2. The messaging app is just...bad. It lags and not responsive sonewhat. Plus after a soft reset it reads the sms that i have in inbox as coming from my sim card contact rather than phone contact. Glitchy.
3. It seems pretty quick after a hard reset, but after all the contacts is in and weather updated + software and such, the home screen and the whoke experience started to lag.
overall i think they should just keep the 2.5 to the HD2 i guess. Our TP2 just wont cut it...

Hi jabberoo, how do you get back the X Touch Task Manager back?

shortly after applying this ROM, my TP2 fell of the window sill and bounced off the bench into the sink
Its away getting insurance quotes, etc. Having to rely on my Dopod 838 Pro. Yuck...

overall, this new official ROM is far much better than sense 2.1 altho u have to be a lil'conservative on opening programs. One feature I still can get to work perfectly...the FB photo albums on contacts. Not a single pic that I've seen appear on the album,eventho they did show the respective album names and number of pics inside.

Does it Have Vietnamese roms?
Do you think HTC SEA have vietnamese language? how do you switch to another language in HTC WM 6.5.xx?

haoren said:
Hi jabberoo, how do you get back the X Touch Task Manager back?
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Hi
Not sure of the question here...
You grab the "Touch X Taskmanager.cab", install it, go to settings/system and configure it, voila....!
I found the "Touch_X_Homescreen_Flip_clock_OFF.cab" is good too, getting rid of the unneccessary flipping action which becomes irritating after a short time, the "Touch_X_Left_softkey_as_camera.cab" is worthwhile too, instead of doubling up for Phone or using a quick link space for it.
Hope that helps...
BTW, the Mods to expand the Quick Links (HD2 tweaks) are all useless at this point, handy but useless, as they break Landscape mode with the Keyboard in the out position.
I am still finding that a GPS lock using TomTom can take several minutes to execute on this ROM, so no improvement there. It does work well, just can sometimes take a while to lock (but eventually does...)
Cheers to all
Jabberoo

I had noticed that with the Facebook Albums, too. I'm going to lodge a thing with HTC once I have my phone again...
As for the GPS lock taking several minutes: I get that with a brand new TomTom Go 750 if I travel to a different location with it off, then turn it on. I used to think the TP2 was a POS in that regard, but when the TomTom did it I thought that maybe it wasn't specific to the TP2.

penguinjet said:
Does anyone encountered the standby of dead issue in this rom? I have this problem when the first time i lock my phone and go to standby mode from the fresh boot up and it just wouldn't wakeup after i press the power on button. It seems the solution is to wait a little bit longer after you lock your phone then only switch the phone off. I have not seen this problem in previous official sea rom.
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Never had this issue with the ROM.
I tried to utilise SRS WOW (which is great) but this Standby issue was the end result on the TP2 (any ROM), which was a shame....
Cheers
Jabberoo

[Q] Is your multitasking button less responsive than the Home/Back buttons?

After using the phone for a few days I've noticed that the Multitasking button has a noticeable delay between when I touch it and when the phone vibrates/button lights up to confirm the touch.
When the Back or Home buttons are pressed, the vibration and visual feedback are instant (feels like capacitive buttons on the previous Nexus phones, for example). However, this is not the case with the multitasking button- it takes about half a second to respond. This is starting to get a bit annoying, as one would expect all three navigation buttons to respond in the same manner.
Is anyone else experiencing this?

yeah I noticed a little delay when pressing the multitasking button. I suppose it has something to do with the phone accessing the memory and presenting all the applications as there is little to no delay after swiping away most of the windows leaving just a few.

Yup, I've noticed it too.

Yup. Big donation to whoever is first to sort this bastard.

Yeah, as others said, it's probably quite a resource intensive task to "screenshot" (although I'm sure it's cleverer than that) all the currently running activities and build the menu.
As for a fix- I guess they could have a background service running that keeps a cache of the active apps preview. Then it could be displayed much more quickly. I guess the downside is the previews could be slightly out of date depending on how often it polls, but that may be better for some folk.

very very slow.
I prefer the long press home for recent apps that Gingerbread had.
Also, swiping the apps off the screen doesn't mean it closed the apps, I think its all aesthetic.

leyvatron said:
very very slow.
I prefer the long press home for recent apps that Gingerbread had.
Also, swiping the apps off the screen doesn't mean it closed the apps, I think its all aesthetic.
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It works for some but not others (ones with background data).
I would prefer if Google kept their word on consistency and allow us to force close through it with a dialog or something.
Anyone who wasn't aware of the fine print would think the app is closed completely.

noise79 said:
yeah I noticed a little delay when pressing the multitasking button. I suppose it has something to do with the phone accessing the memory and presenting all the applications as there is little to no delay after swiping away most of the windows leaving just a few.
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I agree that this is probably why, but as a programmer/UI designer myself, I know that timely feedback is extremely important in user experience. The button should respond immediately, and then delay if necessary while loading the list of apps. It could even show a progress bar/spinner if it had to... but not responding to touch immediately is a major user experience issue. Sometimes I've pressed it multiple times because I thought it didn't get my touch on the screen.
Can anyone comment on whether the recent ICS updates (4.0.2 or 4.0.3) have addressed this? I'm still on 4.0.1.

phazerorg said:
I agree that this is probably why, but as a programmer/UI designer myself, I know that timely feedback is extremely important in user experience. The button should respond immediately, and then delay if necessary while loading the list of apps. It could even show a progress bar/spinner if it had to... but not responding to touch immediately is a major user experience issue. Sometimes I've pressed it multiple times because I thought it didn't get my touch on the screen.
Can anyone comment on whether the recent ICS updates (4.0.2 or 4.0.3) have addressed this? I'm still on 4.0.1.
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its not fixed in .2

It is a lot better in 4.0.3.!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

joshnichols189 said:
It is a lot better in 4.0.3.!
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium
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That's good to hear! I was starting to think I was the only one experiencing this...

I've noticed also that (with 4.0.1 and 4.0.2, with 4.0.3 i don't know) the "circle" effect when you touch virtual button is pretty laggy when you are in the homescreen, but if you touch the virtual buttons when you are into an application (people, calendar, calculator, or 3rd party apps) the circle effect is really smooth.
Why??
Fixed in 4.0.3 ??

Let's start to email devs for their apps to comply with ICS phones!!!

Current Problems:
1. Menu bar at the bottom of the screen.
2. Not compatible when seen on google play (due to screen resolution, etc.)
3. Games able to installed properly but cannot download the required games data.
At least for paid apps, let's try to let them know to at least consider fixing it on their next release. We cannot complain much for free apps but still we can feedback to them.
I've already emailed some of them:
1. Dolphin HD - due to menu bar, and oh well I paid for their license last time
2. Asphalt 6 - not compatible when seen on google play, considering HTC One X is still considered a phone(and not tablet), screen resolution should not be their excuse here. If it 's working on my Sony Arc I'm expecting it should work on my other phone also.
3. NFS Shift - Able to install but cannot download data either on wifi or 3g
Will do some more emailing later.

Bump for good update on dolphin browser. Had only checked their blog awhile ago and their beta 8.0 is out since 6-April, menu bar is gone. Could be because of my feedback or someone else's, either way it's good for all of us dolphin users.
http://dolphin-browser.com/blog/
Will install it when I get home.
Sent from my Sony Arc w/ ICS
EDIT: had it installed just now and still got the menu bar at the bottom of screen
But at least they are looking into it. Below is their reply to me last time.
Hi, thank you for your information.
I have already directed your issue to relevant team members for review, and we will run a test about your issue. Once we figure it out, we will fix the issue as soon as possible. Please stay tuned.

Very good point.
I really do think ICS is the best Android version yet, has it's own real sense of identity and a crisper interface.
It's the step towards a common feel among different devices.
But the install base of Gingerbread remains the highest at 67% so us guys on here will probably be running Jelly Bean before they catch up.
Give it a few years and Google will probably get more aggressive about it.

There are even some google apps that need updating, like googles. Man they really should have kept the menu button, the four-button layout works perfect with the DHD.

Best is to mail the android team asking for a better backward compatibility solution for hard button devices. Or asking HTC to create a temporary solution. Ridiculous decision by the Android team. They try to enforce a new guideline by making the user experience horrible for non compatible apps. Never saw that on any platform.

I went to the Tapatalk forums to ask for the ICS menu already let's hope more dev's comply with ICS.
Sent from my Quad Monster HTC One X with Tapatalk beta 6

So I've emailed some more devs stating the current issue of menu bar on our HTC One X.
1. Kobo reader
2. Mixzing music player
3. FPSE ps-one emulator
4. Air attack HD
5. Fruit Ninja
6. XDA app
7. Yahoo Messenger and Mail app
8. Skype
So far they immediately replied stating that a representative will follow-up on the issue.
Hopefully they can provide a fix on their next update.

I also sent a mail to whatsapp. Awaiting response
Sent from my Quad Core Monster the HTC One X using Tapatalk Beta 6

I will try to help too - I know it doesn't really belong here but I sincerely don't understand Google why they removed the menu button and added the useless multitask button (long-press home was fine?!). I thought it was pretty nice to have true full screen apps all the time and hide the menu completely. Ah well, Googles logic is beyond me and I will have to see the updated apps first...

The legacy menu button also make touch control on non ics games annoying to use as it messes up the calibration, probably due to the resizing of the screen.
A better solution would be to make the menu button hidable, and rather than wait for every dev to update their app for ics which is not feasible.
Hopefully HTC manages to solve this problem and comes up with a good update.

Menu button in games?

Will this "issue" eventually be fixed? The menu button that takes up some of the screen in games doesn't even work, as most games already have their own menu button somewhere in the game.

I hope so because its damn annoying!
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium

johnl199 said:
Will this "issue" eventually be fixed? The menu button that takes up some of the screen in games doesn't even work, as most games already have their own menu button somewhere in the game.
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the more reason you need to unlock your phone
most apps are not really compatible to One X at the moment coz they are the first device released to have such configuration in ICS - capacitive buttons for back, home, recent apps (and no physical menu buttons)
it's really the apps' devs responsibility to update their applications more than HTC needed it

Rycon33 said:
the more reason you need to unlock your phone
most apps are not really compatible to One X at the moment coz they are the first device released to have such configuration in ICS - capacitive buttons for back, home, recent apps (and no physical menu buttons)
it's really the apps' devs responsibility to update their applications more than HTC needed it
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Good to know. I'm sure devs will update their apps even quicker when the USA One x comes out.

Coming from WP8... Any G3 tweaks for me?

I've been an avid Windows Phone user since it first came out as Windows Phone 7. Been with it through versions 7, 7.5, 7.8, 8 and finally some of 8.1. Unfortunately, 8.1 lost much of what made it unique, and has decided to become more like Android. To that I say this: If I'm using an OS "like Android" it makes PLENTY more sense to go with an actual Android phone.
So far, I really love my G3! The screen is brilliant (if slightly oversharpened, especially with text), the specs and physical dimensions are superb (coming from the chunk monster that was the Lumia 920) and the customizability is lots of fun.
That said, there are a few things I'd like to change. Assuming Android is as customizable as I think it is, most of them shouldn't be too inconceivable, though if they are, just tell me
1. A serious habit I've formed from using WP is holding the Back button to bring up the Open Apps view. Is there a way I can switch from the Android way (pressing the Overlapping Rectangles nav button) and make it so holding the Back nav buttion brings that view up?
2. Make it so backing out of an app also closes it. I am again very used to hitting the back button to close an app. This seems the least possible, since I'd guess it would involve affecting every app on a molecular level, requiring special coding.
3. Fix the oversharpened look of text. If text is zoomed in, it looks amazing. But even at a normal font size, text can look kind of gross from the over-sharpening. I think I saw somewhere that someone was saying they could lower the screen resolution to 1080p. Would that help? I wouldn't be opposed to trying it, since they said it also had a very positive effect on battery life, while not hurting the visuals too noticeably.
4. Set a separate notification sound for All E-mails and All Texts (again, much like WP does)
My phone is currently NOT rooted, but I would be willing to do so, if there are step-by-step tutorials available and ways to fix things should terrible accidents occur (I'm scared of bricking...)
Please help ease my transition into the wonderful world of Android

Well your probably not going to get such a warm welcome posting a question like this in the development section. Your gonna wanna move this post over to the q&a section
Ps
In before the lock!
Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk

Shoot! Thanks for the heads up. So should I make a new Thread in the right section, or just wait for this one to be moved?

^ what he said... What you seek is entirely possible. But this ai t the place to seek it. Welcome to the android xda!

dbG33K said:
Shoot! Thanks for the heads up. So should I make a new Thread in the right section, or just wait for this one to be moved?
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you can ask a mod to move it.
as for what you want, if you root and install xposed there is the g3 tweaks module (in this subforum) that can alter the action of longpressing on the nav buttons, so you can do #1 for multitasking iirc (i haven't changed any of those actions as i like the way they work out of the box.
there's a bunch of other tweaks in that app that can easily customize the phone with little to no risk of messing anything up.