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Nokia Lumia 800 reviewed

The Verge has what I believe to be the first review for this phone.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2534861/nokia-lumia-800-review

Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.

z33dev33l said:
Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.
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Wow, you really see evil everywhere. Anti-wp7 bias? And why should it outscore the N9 exactly? Using their comparison tool, it makes total sense the N9 scores higher. Not to mention you're complaining about a 0.1 difference.
And you call people haters...
http://www.theverge.com/products/compare/42/2593

z33dev33l said:
Seems to show the same general anti-wp7 bias common amongst tech blogs but less so than most. Commendable enough, though how it didn't outscore the n9 I dont know.
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Please cite specific examples of anti-WP7 bias.

I think it is a pretty objective review. Where the 800 shines, without question, is in the distinctive case design:
The Lumia 800 / N9 design ethos is all about effortless simplicity for the user, but it's backed by a stupefying amount of calculation, modeling, and testing behind the scenes. What you see and feel in your hand is a seamless piece of soft-touch plastic, curved on all sides and gently tapering toward flattened-out top and bottom surfaces, fronted by a curved screen. It's natural and pleasant to the touch, with great ergonomics and weight balance — the diametric opposite of the cold and impersonal appearance of most modern technology. Being able to meld that aggressively minimalist monobody design with a fully functional smartphone is where Nokia's manufacturing chops really shine through.
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Aside from a non-removable battery, it is probably the most attractive-looking phone I've ever seen.
The rest of the review does a commendable job of digging into the phone's strengths and weaknesses, and pulls no punches on areas where they feel Nokia/Microsoft could have done better (the unresponsive physical buttons, average camera performance, competitive but not stand-out WP7 hardware, and so on).
Someone looking for a good WP7 phone would do well to consider the 800. It's a shame it won't be in the US for several months.

Because despite astounding hardware, meego is pretty much completely unsupported, not as fluid as wp7, and pretty much completely unsupported. Not to mention it's about as aesthetically appealing as Symbian. If they're reviewing software at all then despite WP7's shortcomings it greatly supercedes meego.

RoboDad said:
Someone looking for a good WP7 phone would do well to consider the 800. It's a shame it won't be in the US for several months.
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I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S

Peew971 said:
I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S
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+1 on that. The Lumia 800 is nice, no doubt. But the Focus S is plain sexy.

z33dev33l said:
Because despite astounding hardware, meego is pretty much completely unsupported, not as fluid as wp7, and pretty much completely unsupported. Not to mention it's about as aesthetically appealing as Symbian. If they're reviewing software at all then despite WP7's shortcomings it greatly supercedes meego.
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You can argue WP7 isn't the best supported OS either and the N9 gives you Front Facing camera, 4 times more storage, double the RAM, a bigger screen, NFC, pentaband, tethering, video out. Since you're not scoring potential, it seems fair that the N9 scores higher.

The 4 times more storage and FFC are considerable, the rest aren't really factors to the vast majority. What would a meego phone even do with all that ram? That said, the score differential is in the design element. There really is very little design difference unless an added dedicated camera button docked the score considerably.

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The 4 times more storage and FFC are considerable, the rest aren't really factors to the vast majority. What would a meego phone even do with all that ram? That said, the score differential is in the design element. There really is very little design difference unless an added dedicated camera button docked the score considerably.
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Whatever dude.

dkp1977 said:
+1 on that. The Lumia 800 is nice, no doubt. But the Focus S is plain sexy.
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the focus S has the specs but the design element is pretty ugly. I want a phone that's as aesthetically pleasing as the OS itself.

Peew971 said:
I would trade the possibility to buy a Lumnia 800 for the one to buy a Focus S
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That comes down to personal preference. After the debacle of Focus updates on WP7, I will never buy another Samsung phone. Ever.

I finally got the chance to pick up and play with a n9 the other day and disregarding the OS i was really not impressed with the build of the phone. Most of my quarrels are with the physical buttons similar to what the article mentioned and i really do not like having the micro usb ports at the top of the phone as opposed to the bottom as i like to put my phones in a cradle at my desk.
Although this is the n9 i am sure its is very similar to the lumia 800. This is definitely not the phone for me primarily due to its small screen size, as i like the real estate i currently hold with my HD7.
I still think its funny when reviewing WP7 devices they actually talk about the operating system other then to increase awareness. The WP7 experience is the same across nearly all handset minus included software, this is different to android reviews as they can have different interface which effect look and performance. Continuity is a wonderful thing.

I will just say one thing.. I WANT IT!

I'm still on the fence of whether to stay with WP7, or put it on the back burner (for now) while it finishes cooking. But, if I do stick with it, and assuming that Nokia can iron out the camera issues prior to releasing the 800 in the US, and assuming that there is a 32 GB option, this will probably be my phone of choice.

Peew971 said:
The Verge has what I believe to be the first review for this phone.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/3/2534861/nokia-lumia-800-review
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Peew, its me. Please just hear (or read) me out for a few minutes and maybe we can see eye to eye.
I can't stand engadget's reviews but they are a necessary evil. I am hoping The Verge is different and when I opened the link you posted, I noticed the author's name sounded familiar. Vlad Savov... Vlad... where have I seen that before? Then I remember a conversation I had with a good friend about this article here.
Go to that link. Scroll down to the Disqus comments section. Sort by Best Rating. The comments complaining about Vlad are overwhelming. There was an aspect of the tablet that he complained about and it turned out he did not know what he was doing.
Now, back to where we are. I have not read the review yet and it may be a fair one. Engadget also posted their review today. I will read both and comment.
But Vlad was a questionable reviewer then at Engadget. Maybe he got better. Maybe he was being censored.
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I just read The Verge's review and it honestly sounded like a fair review. He nitpicked on the buttons on the phone, but since I haven't used it I will defer. Zee, you might be a little too sensitive
I could not even get through the first paragraphy of the Engadget review. They started off by slamming Elop for saying the 800 is a refinement of the N8, citing every hardware feature is worse. The Lumia 800 has a 1.4GHz cpu, radio, bettery battery life, a dedicated camera button, and Windows Phone on it. Clearly in a Windows Phone event, he would refering to the whole package as a refinement.

I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
Elop has gone on record claiming that the Lumia 800 is a "refinement" of the N9. That's not a good use of English and we can't let it slide, because every hardware difference between the two devices leaves the Lumia 800 worse off. There's no globetrotting pentaband 3G, which means no AWS support for T-Mo USA's network. The front-facing camera and notification LED have evaporated. The screen is slightly smaller due to the intrusion of the Windows Phone buttons. There's only 512MB of RAM instead of 1GB. Onboard storage maxes out at 16GB rather than 64GB with the N9. NFC is also inexplicably lacking, so the phone can't pair up with Nokia accessories and it probably won't be able to keep up future innovations that Nokia says its working on for Windows Phone 8 (aka Apollo).
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I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.

Peew971 said:
I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.
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I do. I'm not impressed with the 800. Haven't been, either. But I just read something about the N9 that intrigued me. It has MeeGo and that's the only mobileOS I have never experienced.

Peew971 said:
I don't know why people seem to hate on Engadget, I think they do a great job on reviews. I've read their Lumia 800 review and it's no less fair than The Verge's (most of The Verge crew comes from Engadget anyway). Fine, not every feature is worse but they do have a point. I can give you the better processor if you want but the battery is the same (battery life is not battery) and the radio is part of the OS. So really that's it. Ok I can also give you the camera button if you want.
I don't know why some of you can't admit the Lumia 800 is a downgrade from the N9 hardware-wise, this is pretty clear.
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software is more important to me than hardware. That's why I dont use android.

High Praise Nokia From Gizmodo Of All Places

http://m.gizmodo.com/5857409/nokia-lumia-800-lightning-review-the-unattainable-foreign-beauty
Makes me want to hunt one down. Group buy anyone?

I would buy, easily. Shame it's not selling here, and if I buy from another country, when it arrives I would have to pay 100% of tax.

I don't get this preconceived ideas on some media outlets. Why "from Gizmodo of all places"? Maybe you only read some website because you think they're biased but I try to read a bit from all of them. For information this is how Gizmodo reviewed things before this phone:
- Zune HD: they loved it and wished it was a phone
- WP7: they loved that Zune HD turned into a phone, loved the OS, only hoped MS would update it quickly
- Mango: they loved it, just what they wanted from WP7
So really when you say "from Gizmodo of all places" you must really think they're just Apple fanboys who hate everything else when actually recent history proved they're not.
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Should I Buy This
The Lumia 800 is by far the best Windows Phone you can buy.
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If it is better than the HTC Titan then it is some phone.

This is the kind of statement that always makes me question integrity (ironic given what I said above). Best Windows Phone when it's missing features that are on both the Titan and Focus S, that's a bit odd.

Peew971 said:
I don't get this preconceived ideas on some media outlets. Why "from Gizmodo of all places"? Maybe you only read some website because you think they're biased but I try to read a bit from all of them. For information this is how Gizmodo reviewed things before this phone:
- Zune HD: they loved it and wished it was a phone
- WP7: they loved that Zune HD turned into a phone, loved the OS, only hoped MS would update it quickly
- Mango: they loved it, just what they wanted from WP7
So really when you say "from Gizmodo of all places" you must really think they're just Apple fanboys who hate everything else when actually recent history proved they're not.
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It's quite simple, all websites in the Gawker network are known for from time to time write very bad articles just to piss people off. Because that gives them traffic boosts.
Here are two examples of articles that has been criticized:
http://gizmodo.com/5833787/my-brief-okcupid-affair-with-a-world-champion-magic-the-gathering-player
http://kotaku.com/5818213/professional-gaming-on-the-downturn-cheesy-tv-to-blame
They may give publicity to Windows Phone, which is a very good thing (for us), but I can't help to wonder if it isn't just to piss off the MS haters.

This anti-WP7 bias that supposedly exists on review sites is total BS.
Accept it people - it's entirely possible reviewers just don't like WP7 OS or hardware vs the Android and iPhones they're used to.

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This anti-WP7 bias that supposedly exists on review sites is total BS.
Accept it people - it's entirely possible reviewers just don't like WP7 OS or hardware vs the Android and iPhones they're used to.
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Quite possible, but that should not preclude an honest review of the inadequacies AND capabilities of WP7 without going on a rant about how MS should give up and concede the market. And for the record, anti-WP7 reviewer bias is not BS.

you know it's part of advertising right? Companies like Apple, MS and Google paid big bucks to splatters their name all over the web. In this case....probable Nokia.
I never trust any review on the web...unless it's by the consumers.

The Nokia might be a nice phone, but all I know is that if I were to settle for such a small phone, I would go with the Focus Flash. I much prefer a perfectly flat screen and the shape and style of the Flash is outstanding. Combined with a better AMOLED display and the style, the Flash is more appealing to me than the Lumia 800 and it has pretty much the same hardware...both are just as featureless, I mean (no FFC and such).

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This is the kind of statement that always makes me question integrity (ironic given what I said above). Best Windows Phone when it's missing features that are on both the Titan and Focus S, that's a bit odd.
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The best Windows Phone to me is the Lumia 800. The Windows Phone with the most bells and whistles is the Focus S.

If Samsung went back to some captivate-esque build quality then I'd be onboard. The lumia 800 just dominates the build quality department though.

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The best Windows Phone to me is the Lumia 800. The Windows Phone with the most bells and whistles is the Focus S.
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It's your right to prefer the Lumia 800 as best for your needs. I just think that as a media outlet that has access to all the phones I find it a bit odd to give this title to this particluar phone when the Titan and Focus S have bigger screens, removable batteries or FFC for instance. You would have to give some considerable weight to Nokia Drive but it doesn't look like it was a factor there.

Peew971 said:
It's your right to prefer the Lumia 800 as best for your needs. I just think that as a media outlet that has access to all the phones I find it a bit odd to give this title to this particluar phone when the Titan and Focus S have bigger screens, removable batteries or FFC for instance. You would have to give some considerable weight to Nokia Drive but it doesn't look like it was a factor there.
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If smaller screen and lack of removeable battery were ever a negative, the iPhone should have never gotten the 9s it got in every iteration on Engadget. There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
But to be honest, if I was an online reviewer and I had to say which phone is currently the best Windows Phone, I would say the Lumia 800. You may not read my articles ever again
Let us face facts, in the Windows Phone world the experience from phone to phone is going to be so similar that something like looks, camera, and colours could be the differentiator. I have been harping on the lack of colours on these feature phones for a while now. I think Nokia really has something with that.

nicksti said:
There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
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The Titan comes with a 1.3MP FFC.

nicksti said:
If smaller screen and lack of removeable battery were ever a negative, the iPhone should have never gotten the 9s it got in every iteration on Engadget. There is little difference between the Titan and 800; both have smaller storage and lack of FFC.
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Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.

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Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
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It was an error on my part. I dunno why you say that about me. I thought we agreed it is a personal thing. Why is a "much bigger screen" a positive thing? The best selling phone in the last 3 years has a 3.5" screen. Yes, there are no iPhone options, but choice is choice, and people choose to own a 3.5" iPhone.
I am wrong about the FFC, my error, but I am serious that I think the Lumia is the best Windows Phone on the market.
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The Lumia 800 is the most gorgeous phone I have ever seen. Ever. This is the RAZR of 2004. The iPhone 4 of 2010.
I am strongly considering getting the blue.
The features that it does lack I do not care too much about. My Defy was 2GB internal, 2GB microSD card. Plenty of space left. I do not need a FFC.
I want a phone that looks good, is easy to pocket and hold, has a nice screen, wonderful battery life, is stable, and has a high end camera. The compromise I am making is in the app department with the ecosystem (no EA scrabble, do they have words with friends?) but I will live.
I am serious. So the Focus S with its AMOLED screen, 1GB RAM, and bigger storage is the best one out of the three to you?

I probably won't get any of the 3 due to the lack of 32GB (although you never know since I've just repurchased a Zune HD) but yes in my eyes the Focus S is the best one. 4" and 4.3" are the two screen sizes that suit me so the Lumia is too small and the Titan too big. Also Samsung phones tend to get better battery life and camera experience when compared to HTCs. FFC I can live without so I don't hold that too much against the Lumia 800 (but then again I'm not a reviewer).
Ultimately none are worth getting a new contract for when they're not significantly better than my Omnia 7 so I'll wait and see what comes in 2012.

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I probably won't get any of the 3 due to the lack of 32GB (although you never know since I've just repurchased a Zune HD) but yes in my eyes the Focus S is the best one. 4" and 4.3" are the two screen sizes that suit me so the Lumia is too small and the Titan too big. Also Samsung phones tend to get better battery life and camera experience when compared to HTCs. FFC I can live without so I don't hold that too much against the Lumia 800 (but then again I'm not a reviewer).
Ultimately none are worth getting a new contract for when they're not significantly better than my Omnia 7 so I'll wait and see what comes in 2012.
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We are def in two different segments from that standpoint. I love my Defy. It is the most compact 3.7" phone I have ever seen. Smaller than an iPhone with a 3.5" screen (thicker but in all more compact). I used a SE X10 for a day and it was a bit of a struggle getting out of my jeans when sitting.
I really wanted an Omnia 7. But I knew WP was not for me then due to missing apps I needed. Then I read all the issues with Omnia and updates. So I would be hesitant to get the Flash. But I agree that there is not enough reason to go from Gen 1 to Gen 2. Its like the HTC wildfire/desire to wildfire s / desire s.
Call me superficial but the N9 had me at hello. When I read the Sea Ray rumour I could not wait. Unfortunately, I read the unlocked version may not be available until 2012

Peew971 said:
Sometimes I cannot tell if you're serious with some things you say. The Titan has a FFC and a much bigger screen. Same goes for the Focus S. The iPhone wasn't compared to another iPhone in the ecosystem unlike the Lumia 800. It's not like you had the choice of a 4" iPhone you can compare it to. In the same ecosystem the Lumia is missing features other phones have so to call best WP out there is questionable when this is coming from a tech website reviewer (if you want to believe that good for you). Unless like I said you consider Nokia Drive to be an amazing must have feature.
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A bigger screen isnt always a plus esp as they have the same resolution and thus the lumia has a higher pixle density and its got the clear black amoledscreen. Big screen = big ugly device that sits heavy in my pocket. I would not only say the lumia has a better screen than the titan i would say it smashes it to the ground. I drive a 7 seater hyundai is that a better car then my old Subaru Impreza i think not. Bigger isnt always better.

Are you swapping your One X for an S3? Should I?!

Hi all.
I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'. I obviously don't agree with them and I'm not particularly pleased that Samsung have created their own band of little fanboys like Apple have.
What is your position on this?
The way I see it, the One X:
Looks and feels massively superior, like a premium, well designed product
Has a better screen, the S3 screen is no different to the Nexus and most people would agree the One X runs rings around it in all areas except for black levels
Has a pretty equal camera, that's better in low light
The only main downside to the X is that the video recording is a bit stuttering, but aside from that it's pretty good.
Am I overlooking anything, I don't care about expandable storage. Why are people getting so 'heated' and upset over these things, it's almost as if you aren't allowed to prefer the One X.

For me main advantage of galaxy is its by far superior battery life.

This thread will probably get closed.
but just thell them;
A)They don't know what they're talking about.
B)It's not innovative, Pop up play, SVoice, all copied.
C)Ugly design
D)Ugly pentile matrix
E) less feature packed camera with Supposedly a worse camera from test shots (Will be seen)
F) It has touchwiz (Enough to turn me away)
And I'd your clutching at straws then G) It gas Nvidias tightly knitted support with game developers meaning optimised HD games for The One X, not for the S3
They're my reasons anyhow, I would have sold my One X if the S3 proved to me it was Better, but it didn't so saved me the hassle

by all means the difference is unfounded, though its true SGSIII is some what slightly better,
there are 3 differences worth mentioning, beside looks feels and fanboy preference,(HOX vs SGSIII)
1)Rom, im only mentioning this because whatever is found in one can and will be ported to the other
2)Battery 1800Ah vs 2100mAh
3)Nvidia vs Exynos
about the GPU im not sure how thing work with these,
but something tell me that Nvidia's game will be Nvidia GPU exclusive,
whether they can be patched it beyond me,
while i dont see Exynos Exclusive Games, correct me if im wrong.
so i hope this blows your friends comment about 'blows it out of the water'
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about better life i dont personally know how it compares
specially with T3 & its 4+1 core arrangement

Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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Yes Samsung is better. I mean come on being # 1 and getting 9 million preorders on the s3 pretty much says it all. Plus exynos > tegra 3
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By your logic the iPhone must be the best phone on the planet because it sells the most.

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I'm delighted with my One X but my friends all keep telling me that the Galaxy S 3 'blows it out of the water'.
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Yeah mate, you should always give in to peer pressure. Whatever you do, don't stand by your own assessments. Seriously, what are you waiting for? Run!

I really hate touchwiz. Its just not as beautiful and functional. Sense always has very small nitty gritty details covered and I really see the effort in making the user experience awesome, save the bloat as compared to stock or other manufacturer skins. It all depends on what the user is looking for in the end anyway

As everyone knows S3 has better specs, but do they really matter to you? S3 may get higher benchmark scores, but in reality user experience will be pretty similar, perhaps with the exception of gaming. Unless you play lot of games you are not going to notice any difference. Both phones are going to be limited by the amount of RAM far before they are going to be bottle necked by processing power, so you are not really gaining much.
The only downside of One X (for me at least) is battery life and lack of a removable battery. I personally believe OneX's battery life will get better with new firmware releases and tweaks, but even with all the tweaks it may still fall behind S3. Again, how important is it ? For me a phone that can last 1 day or 1.5 days makes no difference because I only charge my phone at night. If it can last a day that is more than enough for me. But a day's use depends on the user and if One X cant last a day, then it could be a real deal breaker. For me this is the only rational reason for anyone already having a One X to upgrade to a S3.
Finally what about cost of upgrading? Right now there is a considerable value difference between the two (depending on your region it could be as high as $250). For me S3 is not worth that much more. Since you already have a One X the upgrade will cost you even more. Given everything IMO you are better off holding on to your One X (and money) for at least a year or so till something worthy comes along (i.e: 2GB, better cam/12MP??, better processor, better screen, Android 5)
I’m still contemplating on my next smartphone, but so far the price difference and S3's hideous design has pushed me towards One X. I don’t want to spend close to $800 on a phone that’s going to be outdated in a year or a year and a half at most.

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iPhone Envy

So I realize this thread might not go over well, but just looking for a little discussion to see where others stand.
I'm a die hard Googler. I currently own a Galaxy Nexus and Nexus 7. I couldn't live without Gmail and its advanced feature set. I use Google+, Maps, Calendar, Contacts, Photos, Music, etc. on a daily basis and I truly believe that Google's services blow Apple's crappy iCloud junk out of the water. iOS is a constrained OS that isn't scalable enough to satisfy my inner geek (I've used iPhones enough in the past to have learned this the hard way).
This brings me to the iPhone 5. Even though I know iOS isn't for me, and even though I can't stand Apple's direction with respect to mobile devices, I find the hardware extremely appealing. The level of engineering is exceptional, and the overall fit and finish results in a device that looks and feels like a work of art. The best analogy I can think of is that the iPhone is the Mercedes Benz while most Android handsets are your typical Honda or Toyota.
Am I the only one that is desperate for somebody to step up and make us a solid, well built, powerful Android device? It seems like Samsung is addicted to plastic, HTC insists on spoiling their otherwise solid hardware by bloating the whole experience with the crapware known as Sense, Motorola is intent on releasing 20 versions of the same funny looking device, and the rest are spinning their wheels. If somebody were to step up and offer an Android handset that had external appeal comparable to the iPhone, I am confident it would be the nail in the coffin for Apple's smartphone sales.
RANT COMPLETE

I hear what you're saying. While I want nothing to do with with the iphone, I could agree that maybe manufacturers could pay more attention to the form factor of most android devices. Don't get me wrong, I think my Nexus devices are gorgeous.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk 2

I agree with you 100 percent. When the iPhone 4 came out, it was hands down most sexiest looking phone out there. Their build quality feels amazing in the hand. I would have loved a phone that looked like that and ran android. Obviously the fragile ness is a downside as well as the early radio weakness aka death grip. The galaxy nexus was a huge step up in design for android and I think is still the best looking android device. I really hope manufacturers improve design. Even though functionality is great, I wasn't a fan of the SII or the SIII's design. The Sony Xperia phones are nice too but so far almost all android phones look the same. But damn is the Gnex sexy as hell especially when the screen is off.
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iPhones all look the same to me, since the first one, and personally I think the hardware/software of Nexus line devices are very well put together. I can agree that other manufacturer Androids tend to lack in solid design and hardware/software being well built for each other, but I strongly believe the Nexus is the solution for that issue. I feel no envy towards the iPhone 5.
Honest opinion without any need to bash on Apple.
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I have to admit, even though the iPhone 5 is more of the same from 4/4s it is a nice looking and high quality phone. Android OEM's would do well to step up this area. And personally I don't mind plastic phones if the quality of the plastic is good, and the fit and finish are pleasing. I haven't inspected the gs3 up close yet but have played with one several times. It is a nice phone and very comfy in the hand. But Samsung would do well to mix up its image a little and come out with a metal phone or two, albeit engineered to overcome the reception issues that are possible with metal phones. Really wish Nokia had jumped in the android boat. They had a handset for everybody.
need more high def music...

I do like the build quality of the iphone as well. But I've also been thrilled in every way, shape and form with the GNex. And hey, drop either of'm and I'd say the Nexus has a better chance of no damage.

Yes, the iphone5 is a beautiful phone as far as hardware is concerned. In my opinion, The only manufacturer who can keep up with appealing hardware at the moment is HTC (I like their One series designs, but to each their own).
On top of hardware designs, I believe Android is also lacking one other "feature" compared to the iPhone. I intentionally use the quotes, because I am referring to the lack of quality accessories that are available for us to choose from. Apple did well with their aftermarket electronic accessories because they were supported very well by other companies. Android can't really do this, because we have so many different form factors when it comes to hardware, and the major one being the location of the charging port on each phone. If Android standardized the location of the charging port, accessories would be much easier to engineer for Android. However, this may be an after-thought soon since we have NFC and there would be no need for a physical connection between accessories and the phone itself. The lack of NFC and the changed connector will be the downfall of the iPhone.
And lastly, my biggest gripe has to do with the quality control of Android manufacturers. I've personally only ever had Sammy Androids, but I gotta say, they suck at QC. My Droid Charge had sporadic radio issues, resulting in crackling voice calls regardless of radio updates. Now I'm on the Gnex and I've yet to see someone who has a FLAWLESS screen. Purple tinting, banding, burn-ins, low brightness issues...
Regardless, I am not going to support Apple at this day and age. Not a fan of their business practice, and I don't like being associated with the majority of iPhone user who aimlessly throw their money at a shiny new toy w/o knowing much about it.

sure the iphone is sexy that you cannot deny and that has always been how Apple does things. They put a great deal in designing an attractive product so that it appeals to the mass market who sometimes do not care about the functionality, performance, and hardware specs. This has helped them tremendously in getting people buying the phone because of its looks.
It is hard for the other manufacturers to compete against Apple since not only they have to compete in the industrial design but also compete in the hardware specs. I have to say, with non-iPhone devices, HTC seemed to be the most creative in terms of design with their latest One lines. They make one sexy phone that is packed with features. Unfortunately, it does not get as much attention as Samsung device because people are very locked into the whole Galaxy line of product as Samsung has already established its name and branding with it. In the Windows front, I think Nokia is doing a great job and it always has been quite good at designing hardware that looks good. But sadly for Nokia, Windows Phone is just not as popular as Android.

Not a fan of ANY apple OS nor am I a fan of their business practices, However their design and quality is extremely appealing. Jony Ivey has done an incredible job at apple and is probably the real factor behind their success, purely on aesthetics.
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I like the rectangular shape and rounded corners.:good:

I love android os but the Nokia devices aiming out look even better than the iPhone IMHO. The current Nokia hardware looks good enough I might have to try windows phone 8 instead of android for my next phone.
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If I could get an iPhone 5 running stock JB perfectly, I would switch in a second.
Having said that, anyone see Engadget's battery rundown test? 11 hours of battery looping a video with LTE on? I hope this sets the bar for future devices in the industry. I don't care that the iPhone did it, I just hope that other manufacturers follow suit.

Clyzm said:
If I could get an iPhone 5 running stock JB perfectly, I would switch in a second.
Having said that, anyone see Engadget's battery rundown test? 11 hours of battery looping a video with LTE on? I hope this sets the bar for future devices in the industry. I don't care that the iPhone did it, I just hope that other manufacturers follow suit.
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They'd get sued.
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KIRF ODMs and homebrew devs never get sued, I don't know what you're talking about.

I agree with your entire statement smacman.
I have a Gnex and Nexus 7 and I'm a diehard Droid fan too. I have never owned an Apple product ever.. but....
They have the best fit and finish, build quality and polish by far. Also, the A6 CPU is the best in the market now. Did you see the Java scores? Like SunSpider Javascript.. Blazing fast.
I actually considered a switch to the dark side and get an iPhone5. They only thing holding me back was the lack of simultaneous voice and data on CDMA carriers, even with LTE.
http://betanews.com/2012/09/14/veri...till-doesnt-have-simultaneous-voice-and-data/
I hope the Android developers and manufactures step up.

The iPhone 5's hardware is definitely better looking than any other device IMHO but I can't stand iOS. I like the screen size as well.

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I love android os but the Nokia devices aiming out look even better than the iPhone IMHO. The current Nokia hardware looks good enough I might have to try windows phone 8 instead of android for my next phone.
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I had a couple wp7 phones and trust me, the os leaves a lot to be desired.
the app store is a barren wasteland, multitasking hardly works and little things left out (like being able to control separate volumes, like headset and ringtone, or ringtone and alarm)

OP, I agree with many of your points. I dislike Apple and I hate itunes even more but I am jealous of their systematic update process and dammit everything just works approach. My wife has an iPhone 4 so I get to play with one daily. Even apps that are available on both platforms seem more polished on iO6, I realize there are a number of reasons for this.
I too have a GN and an N7. I love the openness and customization of Android but frankly I'm getting way too busy with real life to keep tweaking and adjusting. And while fragmentation has become the big buzz word this year it has annoyed me since I purchased my first Android phone 2 years ago (Samsung Captivate). 5 android phones later and it's still a big problem. Meanwhile my wife's iPhone 4 which she purchased at the same time just got iO6.
Btw, my 2 "Nexus" devices aren't even running the same os (If you tell me to root my phone or buy a GSM Nexus I will yell at you very loudly while throwing rotten eggs).
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http://android-sale.com/goophone-i5.html
get a goophone lol

I think it all comes down to one thing and one thing only. Personal Preference
I own an iPhone 4 (For work) and a GNex
I love my Android phone because of what it can do for me. I can tweak it, customize it, and know that I can do everything on it.
My iPhone? Meh, A big brick of glass in my opinion. It's broken the minute it gets dropped. But some people like what it has to offer. It's simplistic in the sense that things work (I've seen a few people say this in the thread) BUT the only reason it works is because you have to do things their way. (iTunes sync, 1 computer at a time, etc) There are a lot of things that fail when it comes to the iPhone that a lot of people hate. That's why they go elsewhere beyond Apple. The one thing you cannot deny though is how good Apples marketing is. They're extremely well known. Because of this they have a lot of loyal, blind, fans. Even though they don't know the specs, release dates, etc. They want what is essentially great marketing.
Now I personally believe that if you were to sit everyone down and hand them 3 phones (An iPhone, Windows phone and an Android phone) It would probably be pretty even across the board. Why? Personal Preference.
At the end of the day Apple is still going to be playing catch up to everyone else. Why isn't the iphone 5 an HD device? The resolution is sub par considering everything is HD now.
I'll end with that I'd much rather have a Windows phone that is truly simplistic in every sense of the word than another iPhone. For those of you who think that the iPhone 5 is a beautiful piece of great hardware? I point you to the HTC 8X, a Windows phone that's exceptionally beautiful.

Galaxy Note 7 vs iPhone 6S Speed Test - David Rahimi is a very stupid iphone fanboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-61FFoJFy0
This David Rahimi is a very stupid iphone fanboy and makes a test completely wrong and biased. First error is that he is comparing two devices with completely different display resolutions, 1440x2560 pixels for Note 7 and 750x1334 pixels for iphone 6s. This means that Note 7 has 3686400 (3.7M) pixels to process and iphone 6s has only 1000500 (1M) pixels to process; this is, Note 7 has 3.68 times more pixels to process.
In the first round he opens apps by the very first time, and in this situation he gets 1:21s to iphone and 2:04s to Note 7. This indicates that for two devices with the rate of 3.68 in the displays resolution, iphone is faster, what is not any advantage for so great rate of 3.68 difference.
However, in the second round, he opens the same apps that are already in memory; and what he really gets?
He gets 1:51-1:21=30s for iphone and 2:49-2:04=45s for Note 7. This represents that for apps already in memory, which is the normal in the day life, the iphone 6s is again the winner but only by a difference of 15s which represents that Note 7 is much more powerful as it has to process 3.68 times more pixels. And we can not compare a very good perfection of a display with 3.7M pixels of Note 7 with a poor rough display of only 1M pixels of iphone 6s.
So David Rahimi is a biased iphone sheep.

Just enjoy the device, what does it matter if the iPhone 6S was faster ? Are folks that insecure these days that they need constant validation to justify their phone purchase ?
Just use the N7 and enjoy what you have.. Save all that energy spent on conspiracy theories and paranoia for something a little more productive like lancing a boil.
The N7 is a great device, but it isn't perfect. No device is. Accept it, move on with life and just enjoy using it, and avoid YouTube videos if they make you so angst.

Who cares ?

Great information. Unfortunately, this is how it always works and most people won't ever know this.

Sorry, your opinion is really nice, because more graphic definition is definetely important. But final user experience matters. If I am not wrong Samsun S7 has an option to change the display definition, right? maybe in that way is way faster than iphone. Also I think the video was made with snapdragon processor. that Is slower than the ekynos i guess

End user experience is what really matters. We are not some tech media doing so called fair comparison. We take what works better overall. IPhone is better at what it really does better no matter how bitter it is to swallow. Just suck it up
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Who cares? The pros of a note surely outweigh the "speed" of the 6s

It's like comparing a petrol and diesel car. The OS's are completely differently architecturally so direct comparisons aren't really valid. Does anyone here want to give up the flexibility and customization of Android so they can brag about the speed of their iPhone? Most here won't.

Sorry but I fail to see how resolution would impact launch time .
Do you think the games do detect the display resolution and do load bigger textures on the N7?
Some games do have settings concerning image quality and therefor might load bigger texture, but I doubt it is the case here.
More plausible reasons for the superiority of the 6S when loading games :
it might use faster memory,
the file system is more efficient,
it has a faster (more efficient) processor,
the games are packaged differently (more efficient loading time)
the games packages are smaller (a version specific for the 6S VS a generic bigger version that works everywhere for the N7)
the games are just more optimized on the iPhone (developers fault)
a lot of other possibilities …
It might be one, several or none of these explanations, I don't know. But I really doubt that having a QHD screen it impacting apps loading times.
If you already have your Note 7, try changing the resolution in gaming center and compare the cold loading times. (still waiting for my N7 preorder)

talk about a meaningless thread/comparison...no one really cares about sillyness and meaningless comparisons like this...

Realistically though, what Note 7 users are gonna drop the resolution of their device anyways? I doubt anyone that spends nearly $1000 on a phone is gonna diminish the user experience like that just to say their phone is faster than an iPhone.

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Realistically though, what Note 7 users are gonna drop the resolution of their device anyways? I doubt anyone that spends nearly $1000 on a phone is gonna diminish the user experience like that just to say their phone is faster than an iPhone.
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The OP seems to be pissed by the supposedly unfair comparison but I do think that the 6S is just faster (at loading games) and changing the Note 7 resolution would have little to no impact. I personally don't care that much, it's just a test that I propose to validate my hypothesis.

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The OP seems to be pissed by the supposedly unfair comparison but I do think that the 6S is just faster (at loading games) and changing the Note 7 resolution would have little to no impact. I personally don't care that much, it's just a test that I propose to validate my hypothesis.
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When it comes to those types of comparisons (iOs vs Android), people seem to forget that iOS is optimized perfectly for iPhones hence it performing faster.
I feel like those type of videos are click bait anyways because there's ALWAYS people fighting about which is faster in the comments.
It's a vicious cycle.

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When it comes to those types of comparisons (iOs vs Android), people seem to forget that iOS is optimized perfectly for iPhones hence it performing faster.
I feel like those type of videos are click bait anyways because there's ALWAYS people fighting about which is faster in the comments.
It's a vicious cycle.
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Well said

he is almost literally comparing apples and oranges, and I don't care.
I would like him to do another comparison: the one where the iPhone 6 can put icons on the bottom where the owner wants them, or have an animated real widget, or install a third party app...or add a memory card...all the **** iOS can't do. I really don't care which one can theoretically open more windows a few seconds faster, which is something I ask my phones to never do, ever.