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How for is the development for NAND for the Touch pro ? (thinking of buying one tomorrow)
Last time i checked it was no where near ready for end user. Its still being tested and better developed to make flashing easy as flashing a normal winmo rom.
robuser007 said:
How for is the development for NAND for the Touch pro ? (thinking of buying one tomorrow)
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why would you buy a touch pro when the tilt2/touch pro 2 is already out ?
gmanfuzing said:
why would you buy a touch pro when the tilt2/touch pro 2 is already out ?
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Becuase I found one on ebay for $45.
babijoee said:
Last time i checked it was no where near ready for end user. Its still being tested and better developed to make flashing easy as flashing a normal winmo rom.
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If they're looking for testers I'm game. I'm no stranger to all that stuff coming from Vogue.
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Becuase I found one on ebay for $45.
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hmm 45 dollars isn't bad then. Still i wish the tilt 2 was out when i got mine. its what the phone should've been like in the first place seeing as the processor isn't even better.
All nonsense aside, whats the status of nand support?
the0ne.john said:
All nonsense aside, whats the status of nand support?
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See post #2.
babijoee said:
Last time i checked it was no where near ready for end user. Its still being tested and better developed to make flashing easy as flashing a normal winmo rom.
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I kind of agree with this statement, there are still a lot of little things to iron out...
With that said, the Vogue also still has some issues to iron out, and there's been a NAND available for that device for quite some time now.
At first I agreed that Android on the TP/Fuze was not anywhere near ready for a NAND. Battery life was a big issue, but with these newest builds I'm getting pretty good uptimes without being tied to a charger. Mind you it's not as good as WinMo, but you can't really expect that considering it's running the OS off of an SD card - which to me seems like another good reason to start building a NAND, Android would probably enjoy much better battery life if it was running natively.
So is something else holding it back? We can calibrate the screen, audio seems to be working fairly consistently... I mean GPS would be nice, but I don't think that feature alone would keep devs from building a NAND. Heck, they still don't have the camera sorted out for the Vogue (although they do have GPS and BT, BT audio doesn't work for them either!)
I'm definitely not trying to be a troll, I'm just curious as to what is preventing a NAND, because I don't think where the Android project is on this device would be so bad for the typical "end-user" we have on these forums.
However, if the issue is actually figuring out the best way to flash a NAND to the device, that's a completely different matter. I was under the impression that the project status was holding it back from being converted to a NAND.
So for what it's worth (I'm sure not much ) I feel Android is ready to be flashed onto our phones. I know I would flash it, I've been using it full-time now for a couple of weeks!
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I kind of agree with this statement, there are still a lot of little things to iron out...
With that said, the Vogue also still has some issues to iron out, and there's been a NAND available for that device for quite some time now.
At first I agreed that Android on the TP/Fuze was not anywhere near ready for a NAND. Battery life was a big issue, but with these newest builds I'm getting pretty good uptimes without being tied to a charger. Mind you it's not as good as WinMo, but you can't really expect that considering it's running the OS off of an SD card - which to me seems like another good reason to start building a NAND, Android would probably enjoy much better battery life if it was running natively.
So is something else holding it back? We can calibrate the screen, audio seems to be working fairly consistently... I mean GPS would be nice, but I don't think that feature alone would keep devs from building a NAND. Heck, they still don't have the camera sorted out for the Vogue (although they do have GPS and BT, BT audio doesn't work for them either!)
I'm definitely not trying to be a troll, I'm just curious as to what is preventing a NAND, because I don't think where the Android project is on this device would be so bad for the typical "end-user" we have on these forums.
However, if the issue is actually figuring out the best way to flash a NAND to the device, that's a completely different matter. I was under the impression that the project status was holding it back from being converted to a NAND.
So for what it's worth (I'm sure not much ) I feel Android is ready to be flashed onto our phones. I know I would flash it, I've been using it full-time now for a couple of weeks!
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Agreed - the only things I 'expect' to work reliably before flashing to nand are calls and data. Everything after that is gravy.
And bt audio works on cupcake and donut for vogue, but not on eclair. And the vogue's camera is just crap, regardless of os.
arrrghhh said:
I kind of agree with this statement, there are still a lot of little things to iron out...
With that said, the Vogue also still has some issues to iron out, and there's been a NAND available for that device for quite some time now.
At first I agreed that Android on the TP/Fuze was not anywhere near ready for a NAND. Battery life was a big issue, but with these newest builds I'm getting pretty good uptimes without being tied to a charger. Mind you it's not as good as WinMo, but you can't really expect that considering it's running the OS off of an SD card - which to me seems like another good reason to start building a NAND, Android would probably enjoy much better battery life if it was running natively.
So is something else holding it back? We can calibrate the screen, audio seems to be working fairly consistently... I mean GPS would be nice, but I don't think that feature alone would keep devs from building a NAND. Heck, they still don't have the camera sorted out for the Vogue (although they do have GPS and BT, BT audio doesn't work for them either!)
I'm definitely not trying to be a troll, I'm just curious as to what is preventing a NAND, because I don't think where the Android project is on this device would be so bad for the typical "end-user" we have on these forums.
However, if the issue is actually figuring out the best way to flash a NAND to the device, that's a completely different matter. I was under the impression that the project status was holding it back from being converted to a NAND.
So for what it's worth (I'm sure not much ) I feel Android is ready to be flashed onto our phones. I know I would flash it, I've been using it full-time now for a couple of weeks!
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I agree. I've been a full time Android user for the last two and a half months . No complaints here.
any news?¿ will be an android rom some day? or we shouldn´t expect that
There is NAND launcher/support for HTC Kaiser. Is it that hard to port over build one for toouch pro?
volcan123 said:
There is NAND launcher/support for HTC Kaiser. Is it that hard to port over build one for toouch pro?
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where can i found that?¿
thanks
EDIT: i have found this info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636024
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651861
we can learn from Vogue,it has opened source. http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb-index.cgi
Guys, believe me, WHEN the team wants to make it a ROM for NAND they will do it easily.
So just wait.
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I agree. I've been a full time Android user
hope the ROM for NAND，flash it
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where can i found that?¿
thanks
EDIT: i have found this info:
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Yup, thats what I am talking about. I wonder if the chefs for XDANDROID know about this?
rayman18 said:
where can i found that?¿
thanks
EDIT: i have found this info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=636024
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651861
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These threads are about how USERS can put an NAND build on their phone..
Okay I'm going to tell you guys this just once.
First the developers have to get everything finished so that we don't need the few bits from WinMo we still do.
Then they can make a NAND build.
And BELIEVE me, they know how to do it. It just won't work at the current state of things.
And the XDAndroid team knows just as much about porting as the Vogue guys. The only difference is that we got more advanced phones and therefor it takes a LOT more time to make a port.
x2 right now the biggest thing is drivers. since there were never any drivers made for the touch pro/fuze for android, none exist.
since none exist, we must use winmo to initalize alot of the hardware that android uses.
once the drivers are sorted out (they are being worked on) and we don't need winmo to initalize everything for android, android can be moved to nand.
So i have rooted my phone a while back, and been flashing new roms back and fourth , but not sure why recently after a couple of weeks, i have seen my 3g signal drop without me doing anything, on the same places were i usually get perfect 3g signal,
i updated the radios to recent ones, update the profile , PRL profile etc so see if these was the problem that 3g drops all the time,
so i have flash myths , cya mods roms, MIUI , and evry other sense roms like HD SACS and fresh evo etc and i even try AOSP roms to see if the sense roms was the problem, but with AOSP Roms it even drops more,
example of what i mean:
i will be using the internet were it takes forevr to load cuz 3g dont kick in,
than out of no where 3g works perfectly for like 5 to 10 mins,
than after a while i try to use any application that uses internet like facebook, pandora, youtube etc, the 3g starts acting up and doesnt kick in , does this evry other 10 mins which its annoying the crap out of me.
PLEASE IF ANYONE CAN HELP ME I WILL EVEN DONATE $20 TO 30 BUCKS FOR YOUR TIME BY PAYPAL.
NOT SURE WHAT OTHER OPTIONS I HAVE, AND I REALLY DONT WANT TO REPLACE MY PHONE AND IM PRETTY SURE I CANT BRING IT TO SPRINT TO FIX IT CUZ ITS ROOTED, OR CAN I?
THANKS
Here is the best thing to try for starters.
Start completely fresh.
Download this zip
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ikylelx99c49133/Calkulin's_FORMAT_ALL.zip
flash that zip from recovery and it will format everything without a doubt.
Then flash a rom like this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874251
stock rooted ruu - simple and no modifications.
If you are still having issues after this, then it is possible that you are having hardware issues.
It wouldn't hurt to try updating your radios as well
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485 - the combo one at the top should get them all.
+1 those are the best suggestions than I think can be given to help with your situation. I had the same problem on my hwd 003 evo sent it in and got a hwd 004 speeds were better I think it was a hwd problem cause I couldn't find a fix.
dills2214 said:
Here is the best thing to try for starters.
Start completely fresh.
Download this zip
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ikylelx99c49133/Calkulin's_FORMAT_ALL.zip
flash that zip from recovery and it will format everything without a doubt.
Then flash a rom like this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=874251
stock rooted ruu - simple and no modifications.
If you are still having issues after this, then it is possible that you are having hardware issues.
It wouldn't hurt to try updating your radios as well
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485 - the combo one at the top should get them all.
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Any luck with this?
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Any luck with this?
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i just try this like 2 hours ago, its going fine for now but still dropping the 3g couple of times, i just want to see how it goes by the end of the day...because this phone that i have its a replacement cuz my original evo i lost it, hopefully i didnt get a evo that has a hardware issue even though it was working fine for the first months, till now.
thanks again for ur help and ill keep u updated of how it goes and test it for a couple of days.
so i use it over the weekend, and after a day it starting acting up again, i was happy when it work almost for a full day and than it starting acting up where 3g wasnt kicking in, thanks for ur advise and i guess i have to replace this evo.
you might wanna try going to a Sprint store with service center, maybe they can figure it out there, as you've basically tried everything one can do at home to try and fix it, and are still having problems.
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you might wanna try going to a Sprint store with service center, maybe they can figure it out there, as you've basically tried everything one can do at home to try and fix it, and are still having problems.
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Here's one to accompany that. It may not even be your phone. Call *2 and ask if they are having network issues in your area. Mine was doing the same thing after a storm (we had tornaders...yes, tornaders...live with it). It was back up withing 48 hours, then again, I reported the issue.
I'm sure they have some pretty good monitoring systems in place; however, if the guys behind the NOC are anything like the guys here at my work...well I won't say anything, but you can piece together the picture.
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Here's one to accompany that. It may not even be your phone. Call *2 and ask if they are having network issues in your area. Mine was doing the same thing after a storm (we had tornaders...yes, tornaders...live with it). It was back up withing 48 hours, then again, I reported the issue.
I'm sure they have some pretty good monitoring systems in place; however, if the guys behind the NOC are anything like the guys here at my work...well I won't say anything, but you can piece together the picture.
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nobody else i know have 3g issues, because i have ask my friends with evo's and my roommate to let me see there evo and check if the sprint network just acting up, but is not cuz there phone is running good. but it seems like i start getting normal 3g signal when i first flash a rom, than after a couple of hours or a day it start acting up, its annoying as hell cuz i could be in the middle of doing something during the day and when i need my phone to work with 3g, it start acting up,
thanks though for the suggestion, not sure if rooting the phone would effect the signal problem,
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nobody else i know have 3g issues, because i have ask my friends with evo's and my roommate to let me see there evo and check if the sprint network just acting up, but is not cuz there phone is running good. but it seems like i start getting normal 3g signal when i first flash a rom, than after a couple of hours or a day it start acting up, its annoying as hell cuz i could be in the middle of doing something during the day and when i need my phone to work with 3g, it start acting up,
thanks though for the suggestion, not sure if rooting the phone would effect the signal problem,
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Just because you see it drop to 1x doesn't mean anything. That means that sense doesn't want you to know about it. so there is no icon for 1x since aosp is different and doesn't lie it tells you the truth. I thought things like this from time to time until I did this. Flashed stock. Speedtest... sat in the same spot flashed CM, speedtest. Both were about the same.. some tests were faster on CM then sense and some were faster on sense then CM. I get my email... and my market downloads never fail... So I can't really complain.
Bought this phone wanting faster internet than what I had.
I really have not messed with this phone for 3 months and have been OK with what I am paying and the speeds I get. Nothing to write home about, but faster than what I had.
For almost a week now the thing has a hard time getting connected then it is really bad once connected.
Always dropping off (getting lost) Having to reload pages over and over because the signal goes away.
It switches from 3G back to 1x a lot.
A friend rooted this and installed tether, taskiller, and a few other things I can't remember.
I had tried to remove stuff running in the back ground as best I could a couple of months ago trying to save battery life (which sucks) with no problems.
So what gives?
I live 40 miles south of the Nations Capitol and 20 miles west of the great Interstate 95 bumper to bumper traffic corridor.
I know where the tower is (4 miles away) and don't think there will be any new ones anytime soon.
It's still out in the sticks.
Frustrated and I really don't want to brick this phone since I got rid of my landline.
Root it, flash the .04.08 leaked evo radio. I'm running it and have gotten much better 3g speeds. You won't regret it
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If you do ROOT your Inc you'll want to flash a custom ROM to get the optimized experience.
I would suggest SkyRaider 4.0
Also if you upgrade to the evo radio (2.15.4.08) BE CAREFUL! This is the easiest way to brick your phone.
Download the radio and also download the app called MAND5 from the market.
ManD5 will verify the checksum of the radio.
Compare the checksum to the downloaded radio to what it says it should be in either the thread or website.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
Also, SR4.0 has wireless tether included in the ROM.
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Personally, I'd opt for the 2.15.10.05.06 Incredible GB radio, as it's resulted in a low-but-reliable signal in some previously intermittent-signal areas I frequent here in the same area of the country. It's important to note that the effectiveness of the various radios seems to vary from phone to phone and location to location, so YMMV.
As for a custom ROM, if you like Sense, the previously mentioned SkyRaider 4.0 is nice, but if not, CyanogenMod 7 is really quite lovely. A Sense ROM will obviously be more like what you already have, but I have non-technical friends who have transitioned to a vanilla build with no problem.
Kernels can also help with battery life. I use Incredikernel--there's a 12/23 Sense kernel if you want to stick with a Sense ROM, or the 4/19 stable if you go with a vanilla gingerbread build, as well as an upcoming new release (currently in beta).
My understanding is that flashing radios is the most dangerous part, but it's also very straightforward. I know modding the phone can be a bit intimidating, but as long as you read and follow instructions, make frequent backups, don't go installing random things willy-nilly, and ensure you've got sufficient battery life, the risks are minimal. Plus, it can become a bit addictive.
If you're in warranty, root. If you brick it you will just be without a phone for a few days while you ask for a refurb (I know, I'm currently on my 3rd DInc, first one bricked and second got USB Bricked), but if that's not acceptable than just don't flash a radio. If you don't flash radios, there is a very low chance of getting bricked.
It sounds like you don't have much personal stuff on the phone. I'd make sure my contacts are backed up then do a factory reset. Let Google bing your contacts back then do a *228 Option 1. This way you'll have at least gotten rid of any interfering apps (I've heard that Task Killer can cause issues) and you'll know that your phone is programmed to the current towers.
THEN, if it still has problems, of if you just want to explore, you can start playing!
i have had my phone since it came out and rooted it as soon as i could and i still have luckily not bricked it. just make sure you back everything up and check md5 sums with the radios and test different radios, since some will work better than others.
You guys are speaking a whole different language
I have no idea what most of you are talking about and don't know where to look for this stuff.
"Root it, flash the .04.08 leaked evo radio" No idea what you saying here
"If you do ROOT your Inc you'll want to flash a custom ROM to get the optimized experience.
I would suggest SkyRaider 4.0
Also if you upgrade to the evo radio (2.15.4.08) BE CAREFUL! This is the easiest way to brick your phone.
Download the radio and also download the app called MAND5 from the market.
ManD5 will verify the checksum of the radio.
Compare the checksum to the downloaded radio to what it says it should be in either the thread or website." Ditto-no idea what radio is
What is radio? I don't want to listen to radio.
What would happen if I just tried the *228 option?
Verizon said I needed to do this every few months but I am concerned it will mess up the root job my friend did on the phone.
Your not gonna mess anything up doing a *228, don't worry about that.
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*228 wont do anything to your phone just type *22899 and it skips all the talk and goes straight to the, I guess you call it the update screen.
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What is radio? I don't want to listen to radio.
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Lmao...
The radio on your phone is the firmware that is used to communicate with the cell tower. Your going to want to look at this thread and read it over a couple times before even rooting your phone...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=744807
...and also read the thread that's hyperlinked in that post.
From your last response, I wouldn't changed anything. There are all kinds of tutorials that take you through a step by step process to root. If you do a little research, you could have all your questions answered.
Words of warning
One of the surest ways to brick one of these is by not being patient enough. Never if your flashing something never pull the battery. Only flash when your battery is over 50% if it dies in the middle of flashing something it can brick it. Flashing roms and kernals is pretty safe following the above 2 cautions.
Flashing radios is kinda on the edge due to it accessing a completely diffrent memory space really you only need to worry if the radio you flashed is not the correct one for your phone or is corrupt due to some downloading error. This is why the md5 is checked if it passes chances are the download happened as it was susposed to and is the correct file.
Probably right
Shouldn't mess with it.
Be nice if all this wasn't so "underground" and one could walk in to a store and say
unlock this and give me what I want with a guarantee that it isn't going to be an expensive paperweight.
I got this thing thinking I would finally have decent internet speeds.
If I had known I was going to have to update roms and radios and who knows what else every other month I never would have got the stupid thing.
I haven't had a cell phone for 10 years.
And didn't miss it either.
See people everyday clutching the thing like it was an umbilical cord to momma.
Ridiculous. . . . and sad.
So I am going to ask again, if I do the *22899 thing, will it screw up my tether or rooted phone from getting online?
Will I have to alter anything else after *22899 ?
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Shouldn't mess with it.
Be nice if all this wasn't so "underground" and one could walk in to a store and say
unlock this and give me what I want with a guarantee that it isn't going to be an expensive paperweight.
I got this thing thinking I would finally have decent internet speeds.
If I had known I was going to have to update roms and radios and who knows what else every other month I never would have got the stupid thing.
I haven't had a cell phone for 10 years.
And didn't miss it either.
See people everyday clutching the thing like it was an umbilical cord to momma.
Ridiculous. . . . and sad.
So I am going to ask again, if I do the *22899 thing, will it screw up my tether or rooted phone from getting online?
Will I have to alter anything else after *22899 ?
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Your phone should reboot after the programming. If it doesn't, turn it off and turn it back on.
Reading your input above, you might be more comfortable with something less complicated. Go back to your rotary dial land line.
That helped
That seems to have helped anyway.
Thanks for the replies, even from you young pompous types.
I don't think anyone is being pompous here.
Rooting a phone is not always the answer. You need to understand what you're doing, and what the risks are. There is plenty of information on this forum to learn what rooting, flashing roms, and flashing radios entails... If you are interested. If you are not, I would not recommend rooting.
Verizon gives you what they are comfortable guaranteeing. They understandably are not going to support multiple ROMs or unofficial radios. My wife's phone is stock, because *I* don't want to support it. Nothing wrong with that.
It is rather hard to brick this phone if you understand what you're doing. On the other hand, if you don't know what *NOT* to do, you could end up with a brick fairly easily. Read the posts out there designed for beginners. Understand what you want to do. Make sure you have time to finish what you want to do. If any of these things seem like too much to do, leave it stock.
^^agreed.
i mean if you are not comfortable rooting your phone then you probably shouldnt do it, but the only way you will learn is by doing it yourself. thats how most of us know bout everything you can do once your phone is rooted.
My suggestion, if you're confused or uncomfortable with the technology, DON'T MESS WITH IT. Lots of people use the stock phone software very happily. If you take it, completely unmodified, to Verizon, and explain your problem, they'll be happy to assist you.
You don't have to root. You don't have to do anything you aren't comfortable with. Good luck.
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
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On ParanoidAndroid 2.54 + franco.kernel r300. None of the problems you mentioned are present or has ever happened with me. Perhaps if you didn't mod your phone so much as to NOT be able to pinpoint a problem is where you went wrong.
Who knows? I surely don't. Don't know you but I don't think I'll be noticing your absence. Good luck with everything!
automaddux said:
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
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Thats cool, you already tried your fair share of roms, if none of them worked for you the stock is the best with unsurpassed stability. Despite whats advertised about the nexus, the stock android firmware is excellent too, specially when you want something that just plain works.
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Great story brother. Thanks for sharing.
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Great story brother. Thanks for sharing.
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Keep coming..it works if you work it
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goodbye person ive never seen post before. hope you figure out your problems
Stock is the way to go, but you don't have to leave the xda because you no longer run a custom ROM. there is a lot of useful information that is shared here that doesn't necessarily apply to custom ROM.
I am also running stock rom from now on.
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automaddux said:
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
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I hope you really didn't write all of this from your nexus lol. But just go to stock...simple :thumbup:
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I see how you feel abouyt this. I have had issues as well. It really stems from what Roms are and what we expect from them. The term Night lies have lost a little bit of its worry recently because they are fairly bug free. But that doesn't mean that little tweaks and mods aren't killing battery life and deteriorate over time due to bad patches and coding.
That said I would highly recommend checking out BuglessBeast. They are not night lies by any means. They are highly stable AOSP Roms that perform much better then anything else on the market. He has few commits aside from under the hood tweaks. Reboot menu, emoji and a slight few other things are it. I have never had an issue with them and recommend checking them out. Also they are pretty much the only VZW app compatible ROM. Peter has been building BuglessBeast since Eclair on the Droid1 (almost 3 years now). Always providing an excellent experience.
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Flashaholics anonymous?
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Stock + root is the way to go for me on Nexus phones. On my last non Nexus (SGS3) I was always flashing new roms trying to look for something that just works, but I am tired of it. On my Nexus S and GNexus, stock rom is amazing, I don't need anything else.
automaddux said:
I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my frustrations with the Gnex. I unlocked and rooted on the first day and even though there wasn't much in the way of custom Roms with 4.0 I was excited to try all the different mods that were slowly flooding XDA and RootzWiki.
This wasn't my 1st experience with root either. I owned the Dinc and loved the idea of tinkering with my device. I learned a lot. Mainly that you should ALWAYS MAKE A BACKUP. and take the extra minute to wipe everything. I don't even use TI backup anymore because I wanted to start over from scratch any time I flashed a new ROM.
I say this because I know there are ppl in the forums that are smarter than I when it comes to Android. There are also some of those same ppl that will assume that I made some sort of noob mistake and I should try "wiping data" or something. Trust me, I've tried that and it doesn't fix it.
My main issues have been:
*losing data connection for no reason and eventually having to reboot in order to restore data.
*Weak network/WiFi.
Now I know there is a thread on rootz that addresses the bars and how inaccurate they are. But when two identical devices sit down in the same place and run speed test. My Gnex can slow to a snails pace at times. The wierdest thing about this is that it only seems to do it sporadically, which makes recreating it almost impossible. Although it seems most frequent at work, but that maybe because I spend an ungodly amount of time at my office.
*Lag/freezes
I know its not gonna work perfectly all the time and sometimes you have to reboot your phone just to give it a chance to reset itself and that's cool but when you do that and it doesn't fix the sluggishness of the phone then I feel there is a problem.
* problems with certain system functions like Bluetooth or GPS
Now this may be only an issue with particular Roms which may be known to have problems with certain aspects of the system. For instance, it seems pretty common from what I've seen on the forums that GPS is an issue for some on 4.2. I was actually on 4.2 this morning until I went to punch in an address from a text msg to Navigation and it wouldn't lock on my location. I got frustrated and decided to wipe and install the AOKP milestone I had saved and when I set everything back up guess what? Navigation still wouldn't lock on. I ended up having to bail out on some guys because I could find there house. I got home and found a stock ROM online. I wiped, flashed and setup my phone for the second time today. I downloaded Maps and immediately went to find the address and it was insane how fast it locked on a location.
There are other issues but I'm becoming long winded so I'll try to wrap it up.
Now I'm not one to dismiss my own part in my problems. I've certainly tried to address them when/if they arise with what little knowledge I have and the ability to learn what I can. I e emailed devs amd talked to others and sometimes it helps, but sometimes like this morning you just want things to work when you need them to without wasting your time having to revert to a nandroid or doing some other wizardry.
"Well, why don't you just go buy an iPhone then?" you might say
I've actually contemplated it but I do really like android, Google Maps are the **** (I depend on Navigation a lot )and I like to be able to customize. And I also don't really want to pay the money to terminate my contract so I'm kinda just stuck. But I thought about doing one thing.
A couple weeks ago, I unrooted and relocked my phone and flashed stock images for JB on CDMA and from there all I did was unlock and root keeping it stock and I tell you I glad I did because all my problems no longer seem to exist. My battery life might not be what I was getting on 4.2 these last couple days but I think I'm willing to stick with this for now until Verizon gets off their ass and pushes an update to us.
I'm not trying to rant to the Dev community or complain that y'all aren't living up to my satisfaction. Hell, maybe somebody might have a solution I haven't tried yet. I'm just putting this out there in case someone was having the same trouble and could get some help.
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I'm with this guy as well... I upgraded to a stock 4.2 rom (with root, but not a custom build).. and I have been smooth sailing since. It seems with all these custom roms and kernels there are nothing but issues. Sure, they're a TAD faster or offer little tweaks but when you need to use your device in the real world and it f*cking reboots while navigating somewhere because of a stupid tweak you made.. well, I can't see why it's even needed.
This phone runs very well with Stock+Root. I normally root devices because of different apps I like to use, and the ability to make custom backups...but I dont normally try anything bleeding edge...lol.
Partly because of my experience on an HTC phone...hated Sense and bought the GNex because of the AOSP.
akira02rex said:
I'm with this guy as well... I upgraded to a stock 4.2 rom (with root, but not a custom build).. and I have been smooth sailing since. It seems with all these custom roms and kernels there are nothing but issues. Sure, they're a TAD faster or offer little tweaks but when you need to use your device in the real world and it f*cking reboots while navigating somewhere because of a stupid tweak you made.. well, I can't see why it's even needed.
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No need to bash the custom roms that some devs here work so hard to make, i agree that stock is amazing but android would be a boring scene without the custom roms out there
We would just be like Ios, Wp and blackberry users, stuck with what we've got
Others wouldnt even have the chance to use a newer OS version because their phone has been abandoned by official support.
Or many of u guys would have crappy colors or other issues that custom roms and kernels DID fix
I use stock but i love the fact that there are custom roms around
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negrobembon said:
No need to bash the custom roms that some devs here work so hard to make, i agree that stock is amazing but android would be a boring scene without the custom roms out there
We would just be like Ios, Wp and blackberry users, stuck with what we've got
Others wouldnt even have the chance to use a newer OS version because their phone has been abandoned by official support.
Or many of u guys would have crappy colors or other issues that custom roms and kernels DID fix
I use stock but i love the fact that there are custom roms around
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No I get that, it's good to see support for older devices but c'mon have you counted the amount of 4.1.2 roms that are available for the gnex? If I build android I'm automatically called a developer? Because that's the way it seems here...
I don't know why people keep bringing up the so crappy colors. In reality, the crappy colors are the ones custom ROM offer.
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Soldier 2.0 said:
I don't know why people keep bringing up the so crappy colors. In reality, the crappy colors are the ones custom ROM offer.
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its the kernels that offer the colors(the kernels that the ROM developers include too). of all the kernels available, only a very few distinguish themselves from the stock crappy colors.
This is ridiculous... who obligated you to install a custom ROM? F*cking emos.
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I've suspected for a long time that custom ROMs have been the source of all my...
Blah blah blah.....
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No, please stay! We'll never survive without you! [/SARCASM]
GhoXt said:
This is ridiculous... who obligated you to install a custom ROM? F*cking emos.
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Alright Captain, you keep Franco deep in your throat.
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Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
pda48428 said:
Are there any updates on an unlock method for 3.11.605.1? I'm having a pretty serious problem with streaming Internet Radio apps cutting out with the screen off after about 5 minutes. The app Data Connection Fix has helped out a lot, but I wanted to try out other ROMs to see if I can find 1 without this issue. It's such a shame that I'm having this issue because the HTC One seems like such a great phone. Unfortunately, streaming Internet Radio at work is the main thing that I use my phone for and my older Droid X2 on 3g outperforms this phone in that aspect. It's so sad a newer 4g device has this issue and makes me wonder if I should ever mess with another HTC device or Android device period. I wanted to get away from iOS, but I'm finding that almost every Android device I've been using needs to be unlocked/rooted to fix really simple features that should work right out of the box and with every update. The Bluetooth A2DP quality problem with most JellyBean devices has been a nightmare. That's what made me ditch my LG G2. I tried just about every custom ROM and music through bluetooth was horrible no matter what I tried, even on the newer KitKat ROMs.
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I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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brholt6 said:
I'm pretty sure there's just a setting you're missing that keeps the radio from cutting out. I used to stream Sirius XM and had the problem but I remember getting it fixed somehow. If I think of it I'll let you know. And no, you can't gain s-off on 4.4.2. If you read at all on here, you'll know when you can.
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Could you please tell me what setting? I get great service where I work and haven't had a problem with any other phone. I even went to Verizon and got a new SIM card. I've tried everything, starting with factory resets and clearing the cache. I have sleep mode off, app data sync on, mobile data is not restricted or limited, I've tried with and without beats audio enabled. The audio cuts out about every 5 minutes for 5-10 seconds and comes back on, just to cut out again for 5-10 seconds every 5 or so minutes. It's very annoying. The only thing that really helps is the data connection fix app, but that's not 100% reliable. I even called HTC and Verizon about the issue and they are looking into it. I would have normally just tried a different ROM, but I'm unable to unlock/s-off/root my phone because I'm on 4.4.2(3.11.605.1). That's the only reason I even called them. I currently have my phone up for sale and I'm seriously thinking about switching my service to sprint. I'm tired of paying top dollar for used phones to keep my unlimited data on Verizon. For all I know, there could be a problem with the phone, but it seems like a software issue to me. Everything else works and runs great. It's just that streaming Internet Radio is the thing I use most.
Have you tried this?
http://androidforums.com/htc-one/732481-beats-audio-setting-interrupts-streaming-audio.html
https://twitter.com/TeamAndIRC/status/443850349678321664
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BhRaElEfD said:
Have you tried this?
Yes I've tried. It has nothing to do with beats audio. For some reason it just drops the data connection for like 5-10 seconds with the screen off every 5 minutes or so. I don't know if it's incompatible apps with 4.4.2 or 4.4.2 itself. It could also have something to do with the HTC sense software. It could just be the way this phone communicates with the Verizon towers. I have no idea and it's very frustrating. The last time I had a problem similar to this was when I had an LG Optimus V on Virgin Mobile and it would lose 3g and I would have to turn off the data connection and turn it back on. This is different, though, because I have 4G LTE all the time. There just seems to be a delay in receiving my data to where the Internet Radio cuts out before it signals for more data. Then by the time I receive more data, it's too late and the sound has already cut out. I did a speed test and I'm getting about 30mbps download and around 15mbps upload so I know I'm not being throttled. The only thing that helps is the data connection fix app.
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I did some more testing and I don't have any issues on WiFi and I don't have any issues if the screen stays on. It's only on cellular data with the screen off when I'm having issues. I noticed the Power Saving feature was removed in 4.4.2 and instead there's a sleep mode option. I have the sleep mode option off, but I'm thinking my issue might be because of a power saving bug in the HTC software for 4.4.2. If anybody knows anything about this, please post. Thanks
Think it will ever be unlocked?
I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
BBooch said:
I would SO much love to have airplay enabled on my HTC One. I came from iPhone, and have a full home surround sound based on Airplay, which I now can't use. Airplay is available only through a root application, although i have my phone on 4.4.2. Any thoughts on if and when this will ever be unlocked? Otherwise it's a huge reason for me to not have this phone...
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Well it took beaups and crew about 1 month + to get 4.3 unlocked. Plus it seems more devs are having issues with 4.4.2 so it could be longer. At this point hope for the best and expect the worse.
I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
shojus said:
I seriously don't know why all of these companies continue to try and lock out everyone's phones (and spend unnecessary money doing so) when someone will just outwit them almost every time. If a dev REALLY wanted this done right away it would be done! Point blank... It's a cat n mouse game and Verizon will lose. I just purchased an HTC One on 4.4.2 and have full faith that it will be cracked wide open anytime now. No one can stop somebody that is determined and smarter than the person who created the bottleneck. Here's hoping to a quick S-off method soon :victory:
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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It's not unnecessary money to them honestly. In Samsung's case they are trying to prove that their devices are secure enough to use for government agencies. Do you think they care that a few rogue hackers find exploits from time to time? No, they just need to convince some corporate goon that his e-mails to his mistress won't get intercepted. Speaking of the S4, it's been locked down now for about 8 months so I'd say they're getting pretty damn good at it. They have root I believe, but the bootloader is locked down tight on every S4 other than the very first firmware that came with the phone. I'm not sure what HTC's motivations are but I'm guessing they need to play ball with companies like Verizon in order to be able to sell their devices in the future.
Another thing that is hurting us is that Android itself is getting more secure. They are adding features that prevent exploits so it makes it harder for your average dev to find a way in. In the future we may be forced to buy developer editions to be able to do anything. That's worse case, but you never know.
Just like you I had "faith" that a developer would crack the S4 and I could finally have freedom. It never happened. It still hasn't happened. That's the main reason I switched to HTC. I'm not saying you should give up hope, but if you can't stand a phone to be locked down you should be looking into buying a different phone just in case...
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Valid points! That's why I said "almost every time"... I really just need root and I would be happy but I switch devices so much that I probably won't even have the One (my 3rd HTC One) by the time it gets exploited (if) it does. And I do understand that Google has to close a lot of security holes so that they don't look like they are such a terrible company by allowing all of these terrible "viruses" into our phones which I have never had any issues with. I do agree with you though that we will probably all be buying dev phones sooner than later. Thanks for the insight!
Just another reason to leave Verizon and go get a Nexus device.