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I have been banned....Sorry Moderators

Hello Everyone
i did not know that you do not post warez in this forum....so please excuse me....anyway warez are all over the net....keep the good working with M$ windows only.....sorry again
cheers

Astra I left your post up for over a day with a warning that if you don't follow rules and amend the post you will be banned. You didn't, and so I banned you.
It makes banning a mockery now that you have rejoined, but by virtue of your baptism by fire I hope that you will be a good boy now. Look, we're all grown ups, we all know how to get warez. But it's not in your interest or ours to distribute warez in a very public manner. Microsoft and other copyright holders can and are exercising their legitimate control of materials illegally distributed through this site.
Sorry for being a hard ass.
V

hey vijay ... i just wanted to know one stuff... how legal is it to copy win mobile from one device and then alter it to our desires and then uploading it for all.... trust me i didnt want to be harsh.... just wantd to know that if posting a warez link is prohibited i am sure that microsoft does not approve of this too.... for that matter we are all eagerly awaiting for crossbow for our device but i am sure microsoft does not approve that..... so why are you so soft hearted for these crimes....
no offence even i am using helmi's 3.5 and i know that its an excellent rom but i am sure that its not a legal one..... so what do you say about it.. if you are so against piracy then you should be againt it in any form... isnt it
just a thought
do comment

kingdomraj said:
hey vijay ... i just wanted to know one stuff... how legal is it to copy win mobile from one device and then alter it to our desires and then uploading it for all.... trust me i didnt want to be harsh.... just wantd to know that if posting a warez link is prohibited i am sure that microsoft does not approve of this too.... for that matter we are all eagerly awaiting for crossbow for our device but i am sure microsoft does not approve that..... so why are you so soft hearted for these crimes....
no offence even i am using helmi's 3.5 and i know that its an excellent rom but i am sure that its not a legal one..... so what do you say about it.. if you are so against piracy then you should be againt it in any form... isnt it
just a thought
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Well, for example, don't post warez discussion forum links (see your today's post at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286918 )

Raj, you're asking the wrong guy. You can see that I don't say this is MY policy of warez. You can see specifically that I'm realistic in that we all know how to get warez... read my other posts on the subject. I'm not in a position to condone warez, but I've expressly stated (see the TomTom thread) that I will personally guide those that want warez, but will not allow it on the board.
I am a coder in my spare time, and make no money from it, but there are many enthusiastic coders who's software you are no doubt using, who would lose out if we pirate their warez. Have a heart or spare a thought. I'm not going to preach - each man controls his own destiny.
But this is a public forum, and a useful resource to us all. If you start talking about killing all Jews or how incest is best kept in the family, then I'd have the same attitude: do what you like in your house, but this is a public resource, and a helpful one, that deserves being protected by all those that benefit from it.
Regarding Roms:
This is still an entirely open question. The way I look at this is that HTC/our operator provides us with a rom on our device. They grant us a license to use the Rom, like most EULAs. And theoretically their intellectual property is vested and static within the rom itself.
However, the rom update files are distributed freely on the web. Our work in dissecting roms and make a “best of compilation” is hopefully fair use, we are generally only re-using intellectual property that is effectively licensed to us by our operator. So our best of roms merely maximise use of those materials and from there our use of the phones. I know I wouldn’t be using my phones if they weren’t maxed out with my own mods, and likewise, I can be sure that my next phone will be Windows Mobile, and almost certainly HTC, as a result of this community. I hope that HTC and Microsoft acknowledge that themselves – communities build device support and vice versa. Look at Modaco.
The problems arise with intellectual property not by those copyright holders. Palm asked us to remove Palm Messaging, and rightly so, they had every right to do so. As did Picsel with the Picsel Browser. We will comply with EVERY request to remove copyrighted material. If you can’t find anyone to do so, write to me. For legal reasons precise compliance with such a request will depend on the jurisdiction in which the copyright holder resides and the location of the XDA Devs server/host.
But I hope I speak for all the mods in saying that we are over zealous in our efforts to keep this board running, and we’d do that without warez and even questionable roms if required. But it has to be said, the board has been up for a while, and we hope that we have helped other users, not screwed the copyright holders.
Regarding Crossbow – anyone distributing it should be aware of the risk they put themselves and their source in. The mods have discussed this, and as with all intellectual challenge, will embrace its support and extend its execution. But we don’t want to get involved in hosting it right now. Rapidshare links are questionable enough, but down to the user himself.
Raj, we don't profess to be perfect. But we hope the forum provides a useful resource. I advise all users to keep it alive, and be sensible.
V

OK guys....let's close this disscusion and keep going in our good work.....thankx everybody.....sorry again

vijay555 said:
Astra I left your post up for over a day with a warning that if you don't follow rules and amend the post you will be banned. You didn't, and so I banned you.
It makes banning a mockery now that you have rejoined, but by virtue of your baptism by fire I hope that you will be a good boy now. Look, we're all grown ups, we all know how to get warez. But it's not in your interest or ours to distribute warez in a very public manner. Microsoft and other copyright holders can and are exercising their legitimate control of materials illegally distributed through this site.
Sorry for being a hard ass.
V
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vijay555 i just come here every few days when i want to follow up the good work done here for the firmwares....but i spend most of the time at the other sites that provide us with the latest warez....thnkx

Astra, seriously, no problem. It's just that you came on the board as a noob with a couple of posts asking for warez... like I said, I left a warning but we have to be fairly strict. It'll be very easy for the board to go downhill very quickly... but thanks for being gracious. No hard feelings.
V

I have to agree with vijay555 to keep the warez out of this forum.
This forum is very informative; it helps many to experience information which is in fact impossible to get anywhere else. Only because of this forum I have receive support for my Devices which I couldn’t get anywhere else.
A old Chinese saying: you don’t shxt in your leaving room!
So better to keep the leaving room clean and use the bath-room for those others :0)

vijay555 said:
Raj, you're asking the wrong guy. You can see that I don't say this is MY policy of warez. You can see specifically that I'm realistic in that we all know how to get warez... read my other posts on the subject. I'm not in a position to condone warez, but I've expressly stated (see the TomTom thread) that I will personally guide those that want warez, but will not allow it on the board.
I am a coder in my spare time, and make no money from it, but there are many enthusiastic coders who's software you are no doubt using, who would lose out if we pirate their warez. Have a heart or spare a thought. I'm not going to preach - each man controls his own destiny.
But this is a public forum, and a useful resource to us all. If you start talking about killing all Jews or how incest is best kept in the family, then I'd have the same attitude: do what you like in your house, but this is a public resource, and a helpful one, that deserves being protected by all those that benefit from it.
Regarding Roms:
This is still an entirely open question. The way I look at this is that HTC/our operator provides us with a rom on our device. They grant us a license to use the Rom, like most EULAs. And theoretically their intellectual property is vested and static within the rom itself.
However, the rom update files are distributed freely on the web. Our work in dissecting roms and make a “best of compilation” is hopefully fair use, we are generally only re-using intellectual property that is effectively licensed to us by our operator. So our best of roms merely maximise use of those materials and from there our use of the phones. I know I wouldn’t be using my phones if they weren’t maxed out with my own mods, and likewise, I can be sure that my next phone will be Windows Mobile, and almost certainly HTC, as a result of this community. I hope that HTC and Microsoft acknowledge that themselves – communities build device support and vice versa. Look at Modaco.
The problems arise with intellectual property not by those copyright holders. Palm asked us to remove Palm Messaging, and rightly so, they had every right to do so. As did Picsel with the Picsel Browser. We will comply with EVERY request to remove copyrighted material. If you can’t find anyone to do so, write to me. For legal reasons precise compliance with such a request will depend on the jurisdiction in which the copyright holder resides and the location of the XDA Devs server/host.
But I hope I speak for all the mods in saying that we are over zealous in our efforts to keep this board running, and we’d do that without warez and even questionable roms if required. But it has to be said, the board has been up for a while, and we hope that we have helped other users, not screwed the copyright holders.
Regarding Crossbow – anyone distributing it should be aware of the risk they put themselves and their source in. The mods have discussed this, and as with all intellectual challenge, will embrace its support and extend its execution. But we don’t want to get involved in hosting it right now. Rapidshare links are questionable enough, but down to the user himself.
Raj, we don't profess to be perfect. But we hope the forum provides a useful resource. I advise all users to keep it alive, and be sensible.
V
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thanks a lot... it was all very informative and trust me i did not think that you will take all the pain to explain me these things in such an elaborate manner....it was very considerate of you
realy i mean it...
thanx man

BTW, while cooked ROM's are indeed a "not-entirely-white" area, if you consider piracy as "something that does financial damage to the developer", then, cooked ROM's shouldn't be considered in so a strict way as traditional warez. (Actually, cooked, advanced ROMs even raise the value of a given Pocket PC model, generating more sales.)

Menneisyys said:
BTW, while cooked ROM's are indeed a "not-entirely-white" area, if you consider piracy as "something that does financial damage to the developer", then, cooked ROM's shouldn't be considered in so a strict way as traditional warez. (Actually, cooked, advanced ROMs even raise the value of a given Pocket PC model, generating more sales.)
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yeah i do agree to it now

Switching away from GoDaddy

I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.

I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.

boardsportsrule said:
I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.
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It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.

Archer said:
I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.
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Happy I helped!
pulser_g2 said:
It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.
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Gotcha, thanks for the information. I was secretly hoping it was fully hosted on GoDaddy. That'd be a blow to their wallet!

BBCNews said:
GoDaddy has courted controversy earlier in 2011 because its founder and former boss, Bob Parsons, shot and killed an elephant during a hunt in Zimbabwe and posted a video of this online.
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I didn't need any further reason to end my custom with them, but if I'd have known that then I would have done it long ago.

Golf Clap for XDA
Here is the statement from XDA, i hope many others will follow suit...
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
Posted December 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm by Russell Holly
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
As many of you may be aware, we here at XDA-Developers occasionally stand in support of our members. All of you feel that you can submit things on the forums, knowing that the information is appreciated, used, and shared. We have members all over the world, and we know that the rules aren’t always the same when it comes to what you are “legally” allowed to do. I think I can speak for a great many by saying that while our unified voices are strong, there is nothing stronger than action. In keeping with that, we have decided to move XDA-Developers away from GoDaddy entirely.
This won’t surprise many. GoDaddy’s original support of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed by their frankly cowardly flip-flop when that stance showed unpopular was enough for the decision to be clear. If SOPA clears, The very existence of a site like XDA would be at risk. For the record, SOPA would allow:
The US Government to selectively censor the web based on requests made by organizations who disapproved of content
Deny the owners of a site due process of law by blacklisting a DNS based on just a claim of copyright infringement
Force sites like XDA to aggressively monitor and filter all content
Hold site owners accountable for everything users post, with consequences like jail time and heavy fines
If SOPA passes, XDA would be forced to switch to a review system, where the forum moderators would have to inspect and approve every post on every subforum. The result would seriously decrease activity on XDA, and it wouldn’t be very long after that we’d likely be forced to close our doors. Obviously this is a “worst case” scenario, but it doesn’t change the fact that this could be a reality if SOPA passes.
Over the next few days, we will be moving all XDA assets away from GoDaddy. In the mean time, we encourage you to head over to the EFF, where they have created a page for how you can do your part to oppose this legislation that would allow the US to firewall content from their own citizens.
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found this from searching lol
Hello, SONY.
We are Anonymous.
It has come to the attention of the Anonymous activist community that you have chosen to stand by the Stop Online Piracy Act
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Sony-Stop-Supporting-SOPA-Anonymous-Threats-38195.html

I decided not to move my domains from godaddy. Reason being is that im letting those domains expire on them, so they take the cost of maintaining them. They aren't getting any more money from me.

It's not /just/ the elephant for me, it's their SOPA support, too. Thank you, xda.

[q] help please!?!?!

Hi everyone, a while ago on my old XDA account I noticed that there was a place where people posted to sell their phones. I have an android phone that I would like to sell, but I can't seem to find out where that is! It was called, wanting to sell or something like that..?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=476
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msellars2450 said:
Hi everyone, a while ago on my old XDA account I noticed that there was a place where people posted to sell their phones. I have an android phone that I would like to sell, but I can't seem to find out where that is! It was called, wanting to sell or something like that..?
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New users cannot see that forum. It is restricted to member accounts older than one year and with over 50 posts. You need 38 more posts, then you'll be able to sell your devices here next year in April 2013.

Really. Why is that? I had my old account with a couple hundred posts and I had it for 5 months and I could view that forum. I'm not sure why experience in the forum is needed to sell my phone lol.
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msellars2450 said:
Really. Why is that? I had my old account with a couple hundred posts and I had it for 5 months and I could view that forum. I'm not sure why experience in the forum is needed to sell my phone lol.
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Rules were needed to try to cut down on the amount of scams that were happening. The new rules were implemented the middle of last month. If your other account is only 5 months old then you still can't use that forum even with the other account for another 7 months.

Ohh OK thanks. When I go to the page it tells me I either need 10 posts (which I just got) or an admin needs to activate my account if I have the posts.
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msellars2450 said:
Ohh OK thanks. When I go to the page it tells me I either need 10 posts (which I just got) or an admin needs to activate my account if I have the posts.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA
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That's just an automated message. It lies. The new rules are listed below. Rule #7-b is the one that applies to you.
Link to announcement dated 15 March 2012.
pulser_g2 said:
The Legal Stuff
1
The XDA-Developers.com Marketplace, also known as MP, is provided free to members with at least 8 posts at XDA-Developers.com. XDA-Developers.com, its moderators, administrators, owners, legal advisors and all other related parties do not warrant, guarantee or endorse any item offered for sale or trade on this forum.
SIMPLE ENGLISH: Trade at your own Risk. XDA-Developers is not and will not get involved in transactions whatsoever.
2
The MP is for use by private parties only, do not post commercial links (SPAM) or links to private sales taking place on other sites ie: eBay, Craigsist, etc. The MP is intended for the sale of your personal phones and/or accessories. It is not intended as a sales platform for operating a business.
SIMPLE ENGLISH: No Business links allowed. No off-site sales allowed. Personal use only
3
All transactions must take place in the public forum; use of the Private Message (PM) system to buy/sell/trade is against MP rules. Use of the PM system to convey private information, shipping address and payment details is acceptable.
SIMPLE ENGLISH: If you trade by PM how do you know the person you are buying from isn't selling the same item to 10 people? Keep all deals in the open.
4
a. XDA-Developers allows the following items to be offered for Sale/Trade:
Mobile Phones including Tablet devices and directly related Accessories ONLY.
b. we do not allow items to be offered for Sale/Trade that are stolen, thought to be stolen, or of questionable history. For the avoidance of doubt, phones with a "bad ESN" or which are network barred are NOT permitted to be on the marketplace.
SIMPLE ENGLISH: Don't sell anything but phones / accessories and ensure they are not stolen.
5
Do not send money by any means that you cannot track or recover. Sending money via Western Union is a known scamming method and although it may be necessary due to country restrictions it is not recommended.
a. XDA-Developers recommends the use of PayPal® or another secure method of transferring money.
b. XDA-Developers is not responsible for transactions gone "bad". It is YOUR responsibility to know with whom you are dealing, and YOU assume all responsibility for the transaction.
In addition, the use of PayPal gift payments is not permitted on deals conducted on XDA. Specifically relevant to sellers, but applicable to everyone in general, you must not request any additional payment to cover PayPal fees. Doing either of the above is in breach of the PayPal terms and conditions.
SIMPLE ENGLISH: Use PayPal® whenever possible. You are responsible for your own actions.
Do not use PayPal gift payments, as these offer no protection. Do not ask the buyer to cover PayPal fees.
6
By posting on the MP you agree that you have read, understand and will abide by these rules.
7
a. You may sell 5 devices per month maximum (each device must be in a new thread).
b. All current registered members will be able to use the marketplace regardless of tenure on the site or number of posts. New members will NOT be able to use the marketplace until they accrue 50 posts and one year of XDA membership.
c. If you are selling or offering to trade, you must take a photo of the phone with XDA as a backdrop on your screen with your username clearly showing
d. If you are selling, you may only sell an absolutely maximum of five devices per month, and each listing must be contained with its own thread.
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ok thanks, yea i really wanted to sell my HTC phone, and XDA is the perfect place to sell it since theres so many people using it, but I guess I'll have to go somewhere else

msellars2450 said:
ok thanks, yea i really wanted to sell my HTC phone, and XDA is the perfect place to sell it since theres so many people using it, but I guess I'll have to go somewhere else
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eBay or Craigslist are two other popular place to offload devices..

Wait. I can access the forum, but I joined in October 2011.... Care to explain please?
Sent from my Sense 4.0 Glacier using XDA Premium.

invasion2 said:
Wait. I can access the forum, but I joined in October 2011.... Care to explain please?
Sent from my Sense 4.0 Glacier using XDA Premium.
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Read 7-b.

Link to similar forums

To: XDA Developers Forum
I spent so long trying to recover my password (your Captcha is insensitive to humans) that I searched my own old records and found it.
I also found a Paypal payment for $10.00 USD to Rob van Egdom as "XDA File Server"
Unfortunately, I find the tone of your forum too 'dominant' and classroom to be of any use to me.
Could you please suggest links to other forums where I might discuss some ideas on MIFI and mobile devices or anything similar.so that I may cut my losses and get on with what I am doing.
With kind regards,
Donald O'Sullivan
cc [email protected]

Hi,
AFAIK saying it to you can break the 11th forum rule, so sorry, but I think there's no answer for you here. The best in your case is searching in Google.
11. Don’t post with the intention of selling something.
* Don’t use XDA to advertise your product or service. Proprietors of for-pay products or services, may use XDA to get feedback, provide beta access, or a free version of their product for XDA users and to offer support, but not to post with the intention of selling. This includes promoting sites similar / substantially similar to XDA-Developers.com.
* Do not post press releases, announcements, links to trial software or commercial services, unless you’re posting an exclusive release for XDA-Developers.com.
* Encouraging members to participate in forum activities on other phone related sites is prohibited.
* Off-site downloads are permitted if the site is non-commercial and does not require registration.
* Off-site downloads from sites requiring registration are NOT encouraged but may be permitted if both of the following conditions are met:
A) The site belongs to a member of XDA-Developers with at least 1500 posts and 2 years membership, who actively maintains an XDA-Developers support thread(s) / posts, related to the download.
B) The site is a relatively small, personal website without commercial advertising / links (i.e. not a competitor forum-based site with purposes and aims similar to those of XDA-Developers.com.)
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~Lord
"Time is too short to cry, long enough to try." - March of Time (Helloween)
Sent from my KitKat Nexus 10

Salahoona said:
To: XDA Developers Forum
I spent so long trying to recover my password (your Captcha is insensitive to humans) that I searched my own old records and found it.
I also found a Paypal payment for $10.00 USD to Rob van Egdom as "XDA File Server"
Unfortunately, I find the tone of your forum too 'dominant' and classroom to be of any use to me.
Could you please suggest links to other forums where I might discuss some ideas on MIFI and mobile devices or anything similar.so that I may cut my losses and get on with what I am doing.
With kind regards,
Donald O'Sullivan
cc [email protected]
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Since you're asking for info about other forums, rather than trying to push people to them, there's no issue here about rule breaking. I understand if you're not happy with a site that you'd want to find a different one, but we're really not the people to ask. I'd recommend simply searching for alternatives using an internet search provider of your choice.
There are tons of other tech related sites out there, so it should be very simple to find something more suited to you and your needs.
I hope you find what you're looking for

Huawei sponsorship of XDA?

I'm going to apologize in advance if this has been covered elsewhere and I do not intend to stir the pot. Some time ago, when surfing XDA for info, I found references to sponsorship or funding by Huawei. (Admittedly, I don't seem to see that anymore.) Given that there are at least some concerns about Huawei's relationship with the Chinese government, could someone clarify for me if there is such a sponsorship or involvement by Huawei?

CheapDad said:
I'm going to apologize in advance if this has been covered elsewhere and I do not intend to stir the pot. Some time ago, when surfing XDA for info, I found references to sponsorship or funding by Huawei. (Admittedly, I don't seem to see that anymore.) Given that there are at least some concerns about Huawei's relationship with the Chinese government, could someone clarify for me if there is such a sponsorship or involvement by Huawei?
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I don't know why you are surprised by legal sponsorship. After all, you can find links through google, such as this one:
Dive into Digital at HUAWEI CONNECT
www.xda-developers.com
where it directly says:
We thank HUAWEI for sponsoring this post. Our sponsors help us pay for the many costs associated with running XDA, including server costs, full time developers, news writers, and much more. While you might see sponsored content (which will always be labeled as such) alongside Portal content, the Portal team is in no way responsible for these posts. Sponsored content, advertising and XDA Depot are managed by a separate team entirely. XDA will never compromise its journalistic integrity by accepting money to write favorably about a company, or alter our opinions or views in any way. Our opinion cannot be bought.*
*) I have bolded the most important part, in my opinion.

Thank you for that information. The impression that I received, some time ago, was that Huawei was sponsoring the entire site, not just a particular post. If that's incorrect, then any concerns are alieviated.