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I much prefer slim hard cases, typically seidio brand. I can't seem to find a good alternate. Quality is much more important to me than price. What do you guys suggest?
I'm on my fourth case and they all suck. One scratches the phone. One turns it off when I'm not looking. One fits too loosely, and one got all dirty the first day.
I'm going to buy this one next in silver. I like the fact that it looks like there's really no case and it got good reviews on the case mate site. I'll let you know how I like it if you want.
http://www.case-mate.com/Samsung-Ga...axy-S-T-Mobile-Vibrant-Barely-There-Cases.asp
I've been using my case-mate tough case ever since they came out with them, and I can't speak highly enough about the quality and fit.
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I'm on my fourth case and they all suck. One scratches the phone. One turns it off when I'm not looking. One fits too loosely, and one got all dirty the first day.
I'm going to buy this one next in silver. I like the fact that it looks like there's really no case and it got good reviews on the case mate site. I'll let you know how I like it if you want.
http://www.case-mate.com/Samsung-Ga...axy-S-T-Mobile-Vibrant-Barely-There-Cases.asp
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I tried this case in silver and sent it back. I found that it degraded my phone signal. Of course, AFTER I buy it I do some searching and find other complaints on the silver cases for various phones.
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I tried this case in silver and sent it back. I found that it degraded my phone signal. Of course, AFTER I buy it I do some searching and find other complaints on the silver cases for various phones.
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I haven't noticed any issues with the silver barely there case that I just got. But as far as protection goes, probably not the best one for this thread's request.
I also have a tough case, which I highly recommend for anyone looking for a solid case for protection.
Case-mate tough case is great, as someone allready stated I cannot recommend it strongly enough. You won't find a better case for the money or more imo
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What about the body glove case? I was looking at that one for a hard case. What do you guys think about it? Anyone use it?
I have a body glove case and frankly it leaves alot to be desired. The case easily doubles the thickness of the phone, and with out fail turns out my jean pockets every time I use it. I'm not sure if i got a bad case or what but the case does not seal properly all the way around the phone. I have had the misfortune of dropping my case from table height (appx 3ft high) and the body glove case did protect the phone wonderfully. I have the full black and chrome case, not the clear back shell. I am in the process of deciding on a different case and thus far I am heavily leaning towards the case-mate tough case.
Mesh case. Love it... every other case makes a thin phone too large.
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I have a body glove case and frankly it leaves alot to be desired. The case easily doubles the thickness of the phone, and with out fail turns out my jean pockets every time I use it. I'm not sure if i got a bad case or what but the case does not seal properly all the way around the phone. I have had the misfortune of dropping my case from table height (appx 3ft high) and the body glove case did protect the phone wonderfully. I have the full black and chrome case, not the clear back shell. I am in the process of deciding on a different case and thus far I am heavily leaning towards the case-mate tough case.
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Hope that doesn't happen with the one I just ordered. But everything else you say about the case sounds great to me. I don't know how many times I have almost dropped the phone from it slipping out of my hands while pressing the volume or power buttons. Do the black Case-Mate cases have a rubberized feel to them?
My vote is for the bodyglove case. I have been through 4 cases and this far is my favorite. It protects gives the extra bulk and looks slick. It also has a kick stand which I use all the time.
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Case Mate tough case for me. Silicone inside prevents scratches and tough plastic outside offers some protection from falls.
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Here is a couple pics of the body glove in action. By the way it protects well I have dropped it a couple of times and the case comes apart instead of the phone breaking. I dont know how you wear your phone but I slide the phone in my pocket with the clip sticking out.
Trident Case for Samsung Vibrant
Got the TPU case, good fit, but feels cheap. Got the mesh case, looks decent but not much protection. Got tired of waiting for Otterbox. Almost got the CaseMate Toughcase but they only come in black or pink. Then I came across this last week. Check out the plugs and the buttons, even the back camera has clear cover over it. Liked the attention to details so pre-ordered it. According to the website, they're being shipped this Wednesday 11/17. Since I'm new, I can't post the link, here are some photos of the product. Just google Trident Cyclops Samsung Vibrant. Be sure to "Like" them on Facebook to save the $6.00 shipping. I wish ElementCase would make an ION3 or Liquid Carbon for Vibrant. I'm so sick of iphony and ipotty getting all the good cases.
Mokie8 said:
Got the TPU case, good fit, but feels cheap. Got the mesh case, looks decent but not much protection. Got tired of waiting for Otterbox. Almost got the CaseMate Toughcase but they only come in black or pink. Then I came across this last week. Check out the plugs and the buttons, even the back camera has clear cover over it. Liked the attention to details so pre-ordered it. According to the website, they're being shipped this Wednesday 11/17. Since I'm new, I can't post the link, here are some photos of the product. Just google Trident Cyclops Samsung Vibrant. Be sure to "Like" them on Facebook to save the $6.00 shipping. I wish ElementCase would make an ION3 or Liquid Carbon for Vibrant. I'm so sick of iphony and ipotty getting all the good cases.
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Here is a link with a nice video to the case you mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJzBAR4P-R4
I have a case that I bought from daydeal.com, its a hybrid case made from hard plastic on the back and soft tpu on the sides, it pretty good.
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I got my silver case mate barely there and it is awesome. I guess it is more of a looks than protection thing, but the front of the case is over the bezel so when the phone is face down there's still a gap. The silver is really good looking. Case mate also sent it the day I ordered, and I got it from GA to CA in 3 days.
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I tried this case in silver and sent it back. I found that it degraded my phone signal. Of course, AFTER I buy it I do some searching and find other complaints on the silver cases for various phones.
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Are you sure it wasn't just a coincidence? The complaints were about the chrome, not the metallic silver. I haven't seen anything, and my phono widget says the signal is as strong as ever.
I really like this:
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It's hard plastic with a rubbery feel. It's smooth enough to slide into my pocket and not pick up lint, but sticky enough that it can sit on my center armrest in the car without worrying about it sliding off.
There's also about a 1/16th inch high border around the screen that does a good job of keeping down any chance of a drop resulting in the screen touching anything the ground.
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Hope that doesn't happen with the one I just ordered. But everything else you say about the case sounds great to me. I don't know how many times I have almost dropped the phone from it slipping out of my hands while pressing the volume or power buttons. Do the black Case-Mate cases have a rubberized feel to them?
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Figures!!! The upper left corner of the body glove case doesn't want to keep closed. I just sent an email to the seller for a refund. I'm thinking of just getting a extended battery with a rubberized back cover, and a new pouch to fit it.
Yea that's why I have the casemate now, hopefully you didn't order it on ebay there was this one seller that I bought it from and he would not repond to my messages about the case, also my bodyglove case won't stay closed at all anymore. I just think their quality control isn't all that great.
The tough case feels like abs plastic and is textured so it doesn't catch on pocket lining when you pull the phone out your pocket but it still feels good ib your hand and doesn't feel like its going to slout og your hands
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I am wondering 2 things:
1. Would a skin on the back make the phone less slippery?
2. How does the Skinit Atrix skin wrap? Back only? How is the fit? Do wrapped corners unwrap over time?
Anyone that can answer 1 or 2 - comments are appreciated.
I would love to hear about other skins, but please don't tell me how great cases are. I really dislike all cases - I tried the Incipio and the Body Glove - and even their feather light products are to much for me. I am not looking for protection, only more grippiness. And i saw the thread about spraying the back with plastidip.
Anyone try any do-it-yourself solutions with contact paper or vinyl?
Thanks for any skin information anyone has.
I just received my Zagg invisible shield, full body for my atrix, and it certainly does make the device less "slippery" in your hands. I like it.
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I did the zagg full body on my cappy, I thought I did good but it started peeling up about a month later :-(
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I ordered 2 skins for my Atrix from Skinit.com and was very unhappy with them. The skins just don't cover enough of the back of the Atrix to look nice, IMHO. It just looked like a sticker placed onto the back of the phone, with a good portion of the edges on all sides of the phone not being covered.
I was so unhappy with the way it looked that I ended up not using either of the skins I ordered from them.
alphadog00 said:
I am wondering 2 things:
1. Would a skin on the back make the phone less slippery?
2. How does the Skinit Atrix skin wrap? Back only? How is the fit? Do wrapped corners unwrap over time?
Anyone that can answer 1 or 2 - comments are appreciated.
I would love to hear about other skins, but please don't tell me how great cases are. I really dislike all cases - I tried the Incipio and the Body Glove - and even their feather light products are to much for me. I am not looking for protection, only more grippiness. And i saw the thread about spraying the back with plastidip.
Anyone try any do-it-yourself solutions with contact paper or vinyl?
Thanks for any skin information anyone has.
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I purchased an Aluminum Case from Ebay. I really like the look, was tough to install. They are lined with silicon or rubber so that the case will not scratch the phone. Downside is poor wifi reception, 3G went down by a bar, GPS without the case saw 19 satellites and with the case only saw 5 satellites.
Just wanted to give a heads up.
Seller; Smokydiscount
http://www.ebay.com/itm/23082068793...NX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_3960wt_922
Thanks for the info. I was considering getting this case. Good thing I saw another case that looks exactly the same but is plastic instead.
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I have that case..Got it from Amazon. Haven't noticed any signal disruptions. Makes the phone feel solid.
This is what I installed on the back of it to hold and for a stand.
http://flygrip.com/
Do not mention Draco or any other ridiculously priced bumper please. $80 is way too much for a case.
With that said are there any good aluminum bumpers out for this phone yet? I haven't been able to find any
clninja said:
Do not mention Draco or any other ridiculously priced bumper please. $80 is way too much for a case.
With that said are there any good aluminum bumpers out for this phone yet? I haven't been able to find any
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me too
I would definitely love one. Wouldn't mind paying 80 bucks just don't want a ridiculous design like the Draco one.
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I feel an aluminum bumper on this phone will preserve the look and feel of thr all aluminum phone while still adding some protection
How is the reception with the bumper on? Is it made out of actual metal? Isn't the whole point of the plastic sides are for reception issues since aluminum causes reception issues?
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How is the reception with the bumper on? Is it made out of actual metal? Isn't the whole point of the plastic sides are for reception issues since aluminum causes reception issues?
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+1 I've been wondering the same thing.
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I deleted about 15 posts about that draco bumper and other things as off-topic.
Seriously guys, the OP asked explicitely to NOT discuss that bumper. And also he didn't ask for pouches.
So either ask his question or stay off this thread. The next one not keeping to this rule will face consequences.
Cheers
Is anyone with an aluminum bumper experiencing heat issues? The one already gets a little warm just curious if this exasperates the issue? Did I spell that right
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Bad experiences for me
I've not tried an aluminum casing on the One but from previous experience, putting an aluminum bumper on my cell phone turned the GPS completely useless. I could never use Navigon while my gorgeous aluminum case was on the thing (granted, it was an iPhone ).
furious0331 said:
I've not tried an aluminum casing on the One but from previous experience, putting an aluminum bumper on my cell phone turned the GPS completely useless. I could never use Navigon while my gorgeous aluminum case was on the thing (granted, it was an iPhone ).
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Ive always had issues with aluminim bumpers and reception as well.. this phone might change that though seeing as how the phone is aluminium to begin with. I think it might work really well.
Also..thank you for the cleanup
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clninja said:
Ive always had issues with aluminim bumpers and reception as well.. this phone might change that though seeing as how the phone is aluminium to begin with. I think it might work really well.
Also..thank you for the cleanup
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Well, don't forget the plastic strips on side and back. One reason for them being there is avoiding reception problems a full aluminium body would provide. So with alu bumpers you could probably close that "reception gaps" and therefore get in reception trouble. But that's a guess on my side.
Doh!!!
clninja said:
Ive always had issues with aluminim bumpers and reception as well.. this phone might change that though seeing as how the phone is aluminium to begin with. I think it might work really well.
Also..thank you for the cleanup
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You are absolutely correct. The fact that the HTC One is all aluminum completely went over my head! :silly:
So yeah, I guess an aluminum case might not be so bad on the One. I'll be interested in finding out.
Also, I tried to give you a "thanks" instead of this reply but I was told that I'm limited to 8 thanks a day (WTH!?).
Well the thread says to not mention the Draco case, but I will as I can confirm the aluminum does not hinder cell or GPS reception to an unusable state. Other aluminum bumpers in the future will most likely show similar effects.
At work (deep inside office building, connected to LTE; Scottsdale) --
W/o: -88 to -92 dbm
With: -90 to -95 dbm
I wish someone would start to make them
Bumper or regular aluminium case would be awesome I wish some company would do make one
azalex86 said:
Well the thread says to not mention the Draco case, but I will as I can confirm the aluminum does not hinder cell or GPS reception to an unusable state. Other aluminum bumpers in the future will most likely show similar effects.
At work (deep inside office building, connected to LTE; Scottsdale) --
W/o: -88 to -92 dbm
With: -90 to -95 dbm
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Thank you... responses like this are perfectly acceptable as they pertain to aluminium bumpers in general.. you just so happened to test that with a case that costs almost as much as the insurance deductible.
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clninja said:
Thank you... responses like this are perfectly acceptable as they pertain to aluminium bumpers in general.. you just so happened to test that with a case that costs almost as much as the insurance deductible.
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Haha and the bumper fails at protecting the entire back of the phone. Awaiting Draco to contact me back to return it. :victory:
furious0331 said:
I've not tried an aluminum casing on the One but from previous experience, putting an aluminum bumper on my cell phone turned the GPS completely useless. I could never use Navigon while my gorgeous aluminum case was on the thing (granted, it was an iPhone ).
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Off topic!!!! Talking about iPhones....lets ban this dude. lol Jk.
I think having an aluminum bumper would help dissipate heat, like a heat sink or something.
Whoops responded to a wrong quote.
Although I don't think it would affect GPS.
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Hi,
I found an aluminium case here:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=171032934102
It is not a bumper though.
I dream of an aluminium bumper for 30 bucks but it probably never gonna happen.
I don't know if i should get the draco design bumper in black or red
I know it's blasphemy but all three of these cases would be great. I for one would love to see a nice screw together machined aluminum case.
And, before you call and ask the company who makes the case I posted back and front pictures of..... it is over 200 dollars. It is called Black Ops. It does look cool though.
I think the issue with aluminum cases for the HTC one would be difficult because all the edges are slanted towards the screen. If you look at the poetic atmosphere case for an example, in order to be able to press the buttons, they made the case slant towards the screen as well. With aluminum, getting the perfect matching slant could be a problem. I guess an aluminum case that was straight without any slants towards the screen but inside had padding to match the slant could be achieve but that would alter the original ergonomic design of the HTC One's slanted edges concept. Just my 2 cents
I'm trying to find a case with a belt clip but I've only found one believe it or not. Searching Amazon I've found the same case rebranded a hundred times over.
Problem is, I bought one and it has a critical flaw. With the case on the phone, insert it into the slip holster (aka clamshell) and the railing of holster constantly pushes the power button, so every time I pull out the phone, it reboots! I though it was my phone at first. Anyway, all designs on Amazon are the same! Just overseas made and sold by differing names.
I checked eBay too
I have found some nice horizontal cases (with a flap) that I think will work but I'm feeling like I will never see a true clamshell or clip design for this device...
I don't pocket my phones at all. I find it ruins the finish and is uncomfortable to me.
Just a rant. Anyone know of a well built case that offers a belt clip. I'll pay the price for a quality case, gladly!
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A crazy idea that might work....
I had an idea! The Axon 7 measures 5.97 x 2.95 x .31 and the Google Pixel XL measures 6.09 x 2.98 x .33. With my TPU case on, I think if I purchase the Seidio spring clip holster this might just fit the bill. The side rails might be cutting it close, but I am willing to take the chance.
Edit: am dumb
Edit2: I was right, it has a belt holder: Case with holder
Boutchoo said:
Edit: am dumb
Edit2: I was right, it has a belt holder: Case with holder
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I tried that one. It has a critical design flaw. When I put it into the belt holder, the belt holder pushes, and holds, the power button hard-rebooting my phone every time. I think the inner rubber phone case fits loosely which causes too much material over the power button. LOL Otherwise it isn't that bad of a combo.
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emtownsend said:
I tried that one. It has a critical design flaw. When I put it into the belt holder, the belt holder pushes, and holds, the power button hard-rebooting my phone every time. I think the inner rubber phone case fits loosely which causes too much material over the power button. LOL Otherwise it isn't that bad of a combo.
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Amazon. Com
Received my Poetic Revolution series case for my A7 today. I am very impressed by it thus far, especially by the built-in screen protector since there are no full screen tempered glass protectors for the A7 due to the curved glass. I don't plan on tossing my phone around to test out the durability but it feels like it is going to offer some good protection all around.
Is there any flip cover case with sleep/lock function, like the original?
Couldn't find any, on ebay or EU amazons, except the original from US which costs 55 $ with postage to Europe...
Nillkin, who has such nice quality and economy cases, has not produced an Axon 7 case.
Any suggestions pleaseeee ?
I'm very happy with the one given in the box.
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nek4d said:
Is there any flip cover case with sleep/lock function, like the original?
Couldn't find any, on ebay or EU amazons, except the original from US which costs 55 $ with postage to Europe...
Nillkin, who has such nice quality and economy cases, has not produced an Axon 7 case.
Any suggestions pleaseeee ?
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You can buy the original from ZTE or B&H. Both dropped the price to 9.99 USD. B&H I know ships internationally-don't know about ZTE.
https://www.zteusa.com/products/accessories/
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1297278-REG/zte_a2grcas_clear_view_folio_case.html
I just ordered this metal case.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XZ3PV82/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
borijess said:
I just ordered this metal case.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B06XZ3PV82/ref=ya_st_dp_summary
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Please report back when you get it, as I'm very curious how it works with signal - every metal case I've ordered in the past for my other phones has reduced the signal slightly to significantly. I had thought the slightly wasn't a problem - what's a decrease of 1-2 bars when you're at full strength anyway?
The problem is when you're in a poor signal area and you NEED that 1 bar and you have to take the phone out of the case to work!
On another note, I wish that someone would make a simple backless bumper case - I miss those days when I could use my phone practically naked with just a protective bumper around the sides.
rEVOLVE said:
Please report back when you get it, as I'm very curious how it works with signal - every metal case I've ordered in the past for my other phones has reduced the signal slightly to significantly. I had thought the slightly wasn't a problem - what's a decrease of 1-2 bars when you're at full strength anyway?
The problem is when you're in a poor signal area and you NEED that 1 bar and you have to take the phone out of the case to work!
On another note, I wish that someone would make a simple backless bumper case - I miss those days when I could use my phone practically naked with just a protective bumper around the sides.
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Just got the case today. I ordered a black one and i got a silver mirror looking back. I will be sending the case back. The back is plastic and it very reflective. The only metal is the bumper.
borijess said:
Just got the case today. I ordered a black one and i got a silver mirror looking back. I will be sending the case back. The back is plastic and it very reflective. The only metal is the bumper.
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Ah, sorry to hear about that - I was hoping you had good news, but it seems not only did you not get what you wanted, but have to go through a bit of inconvenience to return the product. I appreciate that you shared your experience, though- thanks a lot for saving me from the same mistake.
I've using my poetic case for a few months now, and thus far I have a few complains
- flaps they remain open after a while, I cut them off both recently
- screen protector awful scratches easily, removed it and used a higher quality protector instead
now is near perfect the case plays well with third party screen protectors and is VERY sturdy, has saved me from QUITE a few drops
emtownsend said:
I'm trying to find a case with a belt clip but I've only found one believe it or not. Searching Amazon I've found the same case rebranded a hundred times over.
Problem is, I bought one and it has a critical flaw. With the case on the phone, insert it into the slip holster (aka clamshell) and the railing of holster constantly pushes the power button, so every time I pull out the phone, it reboots! I though it was my phone at first. Anyway, all designs on Amazon are the same! Just overseas made and sold by differing names.
I checked eBay too
I have found some nice horizontal cases (with a flap) that I think will work but I'm feeling like I will never see a true clamshell or clip design for this device...
I don't pocket my phones at all. I find it ruins the finish and is uncomfortable to me.
Just a rant. Anyone know of a well built case that offers a belt clip. I'll pay the price for a quality case, gladly!
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I spent tons of time looking for cases for the Axon 7 and found that honestly there are 5 variants. The poetic tank case, the Spigen "rugged armor" case, the dual layer (rubber plus plastic) case thats rebranded by tons of companys, the "iron man" dual layer case (Also rebranded by various companies), and the belt clip one with terrible reviews because of the problem you stated. There are a few others that are some variation of the above or some see-through ones with bumpers but honestly none seemed satisfactory.
In light of this I decided to opt for ZTE's own hybrid material case. I haven't dropped the phone since I put it on but it is definitely sturdier than the case they included with the phone and the material is hard enough yet flexible enough that it seems like it would be able to take a hit without causing any damage to the phone. It also fits really well and is not bulky either. I realize this might not be what you're looking for but for some strange reason good quality cases are far and few between for this phone (perhaps due to some kind of licensing issue from ZTE?) so that case might be your best bet :/. You could potentially get some other kind of belt holster and have this phone sit in it while in the case.
Link for ZTE case: https://www.zteusa.com/axon7-co-mold-protective-case
Aluminum doom
Though this question was posed back in May , I didn't see a response answering the question so I'll answer it for you in case anyone else is curious . I purchased the Mirror case for $3.89 on eBay in piano black . ( I always seem to find better deals there and easier to navigate then the Big A but that's just my opinion). It is indeed a beautiful case and mine came in with no damage whatsoever . Indeed it is a tight fit putting the back on but once you get it in place everything does line up perfectly . The concern from another member was whether or not the signal would be blocked with the aluminum casing around the edges . The answer is a very easy yes . The signal degrades horribly . I only get two bars inside my home and with the case on it dropped to 0 with no signal whatsoever . It does get some signal outside but it's not worth using this case if I may be missing important calls or messages from clients . Sadly it's just a beautiful case with poor execution with the materials involved . Fortunately I didn't lose much on the case itself . I really wanted this one to work strictly because it looked so awesome even though it's not great when it comes to protecting the phone itself in a drop . Hope this helps if anyone else was curious about the case.
[=rEVOLVE;72176896]Please report back when you get it, as I'm very curious how it works with signal - every metal case I've ordered in the past for my other phones has reduced the signal slightly to significantly. I had thought the slightly wasn't a problem - what's a decrease of 1-2 bars when you're at full strength anyway?
The problem is when you're in a poor signal area and you NEED that 1 bar and you have to take the phone out of the case to work!
On another note, I wish that someone would make a simple backless bumper case - I miss those days when I could use my phone practically naked with just a protective bumper around the sides.[/QUOTE]