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i mean is there a benefit to doing it over the data part? only diff i'm aware of is that (in this case, street view) putting an app in the system bit means i can't update it and as i can't get adb working on my PC, then i have to :
backup all my apps, barr those in system, flash a new rom (but remove the apks from the zip file), then reinstall all apps again
i need google street view and since adb doesnt work, this is the only way that i know of how to do this.
They're put on /system/app as that's where they originally live...if it's an app from the Market it will update itself correctly
It's also a space thing as if they were all on /data/app then you'd eat up your space in no time (unless using A2SD)
umm, ok stupid queston, why is it then no matter whose rom i try (here or modaco), if an app is on /system it is never updated? i *always* get an error during installation
few weeks back, it was google maps, now it's the updated street view.
i've flashed a new rom now but removed street.apk from the zip and can now install just fine, and can update as needs be.
I dunno, I'm stock and just today had Flash and Maps update automatically
If your system apps won't update there's something wrong with your custom ROM.
it wouldn't just be me then though?
i'm using leedroids latest and that's not updating, same with opendesire earlier on, modaco ones etc etc
Are you wiping before you install the ROMs? I've never had a problem updating system apps via the market in my ROM.
of course. full wipe
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of course. full wipe
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just uninstall the app and re-install it from market
You can't if its on the system partition. Updates go on the /data/ partition, though...
Other way is to get the APK in question and install it using a file manager, it'll do the same thing
uninstalling also isn't allowed, neither is updating. it seems that once it's there, it's there.
now, i've got adb working and can list what's in system etc but it gave a read only error when i was trying to 'rm Street.apk'
remount didn't appear to be a valid option. alls working now anyways. just need to remember to remove certain apks from a zip before flashing.
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You *can* update system apps with market updates, as has been said before. The app remains on the system partition and the phone uses the data version instead. If it's not working for you I don't know why, but it's absolutely fine for me.
So what we need is a mod that will give you the option of replacing the system/app with updated market version, but replaces it on system and not data.
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So what we need is a mod that will give you the option of replacing the system/app with updated market version, but replaces it on system and not data.
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Well that's exactly what I do in mine. And I get those by updating the system app via the market.
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Well that's exactly what I do in mine. And I get those by updating the system app via the market.
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Thats great for you, and i appreciate that you do that with your rom +mods, but it means relying on you. Would be good if android would have it as an inbuilt function.
But i guess with newer phones having increased internal storage + a2sd this won't be an issue for much longer.
It's never going to happen as part of standard Android, because the system partition is read only. Also the system has to be a set standard in order to allow upgrades to work.
I have searched the entire forum and haven't found the answer to my problem...I have even asked in the rom specific thread (where other people have had a similar problems) but my question (and theirs) just gets overlooked!!
So here it is.
I have both radio S-off and the End Hboot and have flashed three different custom roms on my HD (the Core Droid, Revolution HD and LeeDroid) all giving me the same problem.....I cannot set the system as r/w using apps such as Root Explorer and SUFBS!
I tried entering the mount command by itself in a terminal on the phone and I get:
# mount
mount: no etc/mtab
I can however mount the system from adb shell by inputting: mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mmcblk0p25 /system
but that isn't really a solution!
I have a nandroid backup of my original stock rom which I have rooted and I can mount the system fine using root explorer and do not get this 'no etc/mtab' message when I type mount in the terminal.
I find it odd that it occurs with three different custom roms but not on my original stock rom so maybe it could be the way I flash the roms? ...I always use the Full_Wipe.zip with CWM recovery which formats the boot, system, data and cache partitions and then I apply the rom.
I've been pulling my hair out over this...and I know it must be something simple, but I've been stuck with this problem with no solution for a week!
Does anyone have any ideas?
EDIT: It turns out that some of the custom roms have limits in place that prevent editing the system and therefore were causing errors. Have tried the Cyanogen rom and have not encountered the errors/restrictions so it was definitely due to those custom roms. Not really a solution, but found the 'cause' of the problem.
Hmmm....looks like I'm the only one with this problem. Has no one else had anything similar?
your not the only one, i hbave had this too, this prevents you from removing apps doesnt it, now is it the 1.72 rom or the 1.34 rom
try to download Root Tools and go to Extras and then go to MIscellaneous and select "mount system read/write". if it does not work i guess that you have an issue with phone.
if its a 1.72 rom then you wont be able to mount it, i think HTC have decided to change the mount partition or something along that line, there isnt an issue with the phone, its just HTC have plugged up the root boothole that there was.
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try to download Root Tools and go to Extras and then go to MIscellaneous and select "mount system read/write". if it does not work i guess that you have an issue with phone.
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Just tried that option and it does work as it succesfully mounts the system as r/w. However, if I go into root explorer it doesn't allow me to toggle the system as r/o....so the mount commands from my currently installed apps are not working. Could it be something to do with restoring the apps from my old Milestone onto the Desire HD using totanium backup? Actually restoring through titanium backup shouldn't be a problem since it works with the stock rooted rom.
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if its a 1.72 rom then you wont be able to mount it, i think HTC have decided to change the mount partition or something along that line, there isnt an issue with the phone, its just HTC have plugged up the root boothole that there was.
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I've heard about that problem too....but my current rom is based on the 1.34 rom (Core Droid V1.5), so its not that...
after doing what you have to do you can go again to Root Explorer and remount as read only.
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Just tried that option and it does work as it succesfully mounts the system as r/w. However, if I go into root explorer it doesn't allow me to toggle the system as r/o....so the mount commands from my currently installed apps are not working. Could it be something to do with restoring the apps from my old Milestone onto the Desire HD using totanium backup? Actually restoring through titanium backup shouldn't be a problem since it works with the stock rooted rom.
I've heard about that problem too....but my current rom is based on the 1.34 rom (Core Droid V1.5), so its not that...
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after doing what you have to do you can go again to Root Explorer and remount as read only.
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I guess thats the best option for now...not a complete solution, but a work around that doesn't require a pc at least.
Would still be good to find the cause and fix it!
I've got the same issue! Are you sure the error you receive is 'no etc/mtab' and not 'no etc/fstab'?
Anyway I've been using the App 'Mount System (rw/ro)' as my solution for now and it works a treat. Still, as you can imagine it is not a permanent solution!
The only thing I feel may have contributed to the problem was my original root attempy via Visionary failed and I had to wait until the R13 before I could unroot and root again. Possibly something got borked along the way. Did you have any similar issues?
Will be keeping my eye on this thread and if I do find a solution I'll let you know.
Regards.
It’s definitely a ‘no /etc/mtab’ error.
When I rooted I used Visionary r14 and the only hiccup I had was that it didn’t permaroot on the first try so I had to redo it.
It’s odd that my nandroid backup of stock doesn’t give me the error and its only the custom roms that do! I have a feeling it might be something to do with an incorrect/incompatible Busybox installation with the custom roms...
sounds more app related as you can use another app to mount the system, but not with root explore. i know this is obverse an you probably done it ,have you uninstalled root explore and reinstalled from market as you said you used titanium backup.
you could copy /etc/mtab from stock an place on sdcard and paste it in the custom.
not a solution but more see if its just a file that's missing
the only file i could find was vold.fstab and my base rom is 1.72.405.3 and root explore works fine.
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sounds more app related as you can use another app to mount the system, but not with root explore. i know this is obverse an you probably done it ,have you uninstalled root explore and reinstalled from market as you said you used titanium backup.
you could copy /etc/mtab from stock an place on sdcard and paste it in the custom.
not a solution but more see if its just a file that's missing
the only file i could find was vold.fstab and my base rom is 1.72.405.3 and root explore works fine.
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I've tried looking for /etc/mtab in my stock rom but its not present..I don't think its a physical file thats why it can't be copied....
But I think you may be right about it being an app based problem...just tried LeeDroid V1.3 (based on 1.72 rom) out of curiosity and root explorer still wasn't working. I then wiped again but installed root explorer fresh from the market instead of titanium backup and it is now working!! YAY!!
However, SUFBS still does not work and returns 'no /etc/mtab' when I type 'mount' in its terminal and reinstalling (either from titanium backup or fresh from the market) does not make a difference. Since root explorer is now working I believe that the dev for SUFBS needs to update his app maybe?..or is there still something wrong with my system?
yes sir !!! that is where your correct !!!
the current custom roms bar... Cyanogenmodm dont allow the current installed apps to be changed due to your error message.
IF YOU ARE CONFIDENT WITH ADB COMMANDS; you can have ago at pushing and pulling and mount it that way using a PC
but be very careful as you can damage your phone by doing this
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yes sir !!! that is where your correct !!!
the current custom roms bar... Cyanogenmodm dont allow the current installed apps to be changed due to your error message.
IF YOU ARE CONFIDENT WITH ADB COMMANDS; you can have ago at pushing and pulling and mount it that way using a PC
but be very careful as you can damage your phone by doing this
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Ahhhh, if thats true then it makes sense! Thats why the custom roms were giving me trouble but not my rooted stock rom and why adb commands from a pc work. I guess its a precaution but still an inconvenience...especially when I want to make changes/do something away from the pc.
......the question is: is it true? are you 100% sure the custom roms don't allow changes?
its 100% true, well most of the new ones anyway, CM was built from open source code and is completly there creation BUT
custom roms created from stock are basically modded ROMS
Just tried Cyanogenmod rom 6.1.2 and have had no issues at all! So it seems fkofilee is right...some of the custom roms just don't allow changes to the system.
So not really a solution but atleast found the 'cause' of the problem.
I noticed you said you used the full wipe .zip has everyone else used it ??? As I did not use it the first Rom I flashed was leedroid 1.2 and then 1.3 the only thing I used was cw recovery wipe/factory reset and my root explorer never failed can toggle between the two and when I first booted all my apps synced back via market did not use titanium backup not keen on it also I've read a few posts problems with titanium not restoring apps also read somewhere the full wipe zip doesn't always work right maybe its the wipe and titanium that causing it
Just a thought
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I use full wipe. Zip but I never have problems with root explorer. Been using more than 1 Rom. ( Modaco r 2, leedroid 1. 3, Hd revolution. And also I have modded them a lot to look aosp.
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I have SuperNova ROM on the phone (Supernova_2.4.0.1_signed.zip). I have root and S-OFF (stock HBOOT image). Now that I have finally found a ROM that expands my internal memory some of the apps don't want to install. So the situation is that most of the apps do install, but when I try to install some of them I get an error message right after the download of the app is complete, and before the installation starts.
This is the error message:
Download error
Download was unsuccessful,
please try again.
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One example of app that always fails every time I try to install it, is Angry Birds by Rovio Mobile. The download size is 33.83 MB (version 3.1.0) and right after the download completes it gives me the error that the download was unsuccessful.
What is this? Unsuccessful download? How can it be unsuccessful? I just saw the download complete!! This is more of an installation problem than download problem.
Why does it affect only some of the apps and not all of them?
I thought this had only to do with game apps, and/or apps with large install sizes. But I have installed Benji Bananas (version 1.9) which is 16.88 MB and some other heavy apps without a problem.
Does it have to do with where the app defaults to install? Default install location? Apps that install to SD (support Froyo App2SD) by default? Maybe this is somehow messed up with the App2SD+ and Data2SD that's integrated in this ROM?
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I have SuperNova ROM on the phone (Supernova_2.4.0.1_signed.zip). I have root and S-OFF (stock HBOOT image). Now that I have finally found a ROM that expands my internal memory some of the apps don't want to install. So the situation is that most of the apps do install, but when I try to install some of them I get an error message right after the download of the app is complete, and before the installation starts.
This is the error message:
One example of app that always fails every time I try to install it, is Angry Birds by Rovio Mobile. The download size is 33.83 MB (version 3.1.0) and right after the download completes it gives me the error that the download was unsuccessful.
What is this? Unsuccessful download? How can it be unsuccessful? I just saw the download complete!! This is more of an installation problem than download problem.
Why does it affect only some of the apps and not all of them?
I thought this had only to do with game apps, and/or apps with large install sizes. But I have installed Benji Bananas (version 1.9) which is 16.88 MB and some other heavy apps without a problem.
Does it have to do with where the app defaults to install? Default install location? Apps that install to SD (support Froyo App2SD) by default? Maybe this is somehow messed up with the App2SD+ and Data2SD that's integrated in this ROM?
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Read this:https://supernova.droidzone.in/category/faq/ at 28.
Thanks Tonal! I actually visited that same FAQ page earlier today but I gave up after reading through half of the page. I didn't think that this issue was covered by the FAQ. I didn't expect to find it at the bottom of the page as the last Q & A. I feel like they should move this up to the top, maybe even make it the question number one, as I'm sure others have faced this issue before and it's probably a frequent issue.
Here is a copy of that Q & A for future visitors.
28 Question: I am unable to install large apps (typically >25 MB or thereabouts) on my phone
This is a limitation of Market cache. To solve this, you have to tweak your software a bit.
Beginners: You need to first install an app called Scriptmanager from the Market. Once done, download a script named cacheboost.sh from here. Run Script Manager, and select this downloaded script. Execute is as root (the icon with Skull and Bones must be activated). This script must be run after a reboot, and before you want to install a large app. The changed made by the script are lost after each reboot, though the app you installed remains installed. If you find yourself running this frequently, you may add the path to this script in an init.d script to execute it at every boot.
Advanced Users: Download cacheboost.sh script
Open a terminal emulator or adb shell interface
Code:
cd /path/to/script
chmod 755 cacheboost.sh
./cacheboost.sh
If you wish to load the script at every boot, add a line in /system/etc/init.d/01data
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So this has to do with the cache of the Android Market app not being big enough. Go figure!
All of this is redundant however. Because I have solved it by simply manually installing the latest Play Store app (replacement of Android Market). It refused to install over ADB, so I had to copy the APK file to the SD and then open it with a file explorer.
Here's a short how-to.
Download the APK file for Play Store.
Connect the phone to the computer. If prompted, choose to mount as disk drive.
Copy the APK file to the SD card.
Disconnect the phone.
Go to menu, settings, applications, and enable unknown sources.
Start a file manager app (I used ES File Explorer, but ASTRO is good too).
Browse to the file (/mnt/sdcard/) and tap it to open. You'll be prompted if you want to replace a system app. Tap OK to continue.
I have included screenshots and the APK for the Play Store since I had it readily available anyway. But you can also check out this post at DroidLife and follow the download link there. It looks like they link to version 4.0.25. Mine is 4.0.27 which is even better.
Hello,
I have had my HTC One M8 for a while now but I wasn't really happy with the soundquality while playing through my headphones, so I looked for ways to improve it. I found a few methods and finally decided to give it a try. These methods require a root so yesterday I have rooted my phone for the first time. Unfortunately I am experiencing some problems now.
The rooting process went without too much trouble. I used hasoon2000's toolkit and have TWRP version 2.7.0.2 installed as recovery and used it to install the provided SuperSU, which didn't work at first. On the forums I found a newer version and installed that one, updated it and got it to work.
Now this is where I think I messed up: I read somewhere that when rooted, you are able to delete pre-installed apps from the phone. I downloaded SD maid and deleted Kid Mode, Zoe and 7digital. When I deleted Kid Mode I got an error saying it has crashed. I tapped away the error but from this point I couldn't go back to my homescreen anymore because my launcher kept crashing (com.htc.launcher crashed). I rebooted the phone and the launcher worked again, but the phone still seemed to be buggy.
After this I tried to install the snapdragon audio+ (this was my first choice for an equalizer). I downloaded the apk and moved it to the system folder using ES file manager. I installed but when I tried to use it (through settings in google play music app) my phone would crash. I uninstalled it and tried again, but when I tried to move the apk to the system map like before, my phone would crash everytime. I then found out the file I used doesn't work for lollipop so I figured that's what caused the crashes.
My next move was to try and install viper4android. I downloaded it from the Play Store and opened it. It told me it needed an installation of BusyBox so I downloaded that too. But when I opened the BusyBox app and clicked install my phone would crash again. After some searching I found that the HTC One M8 requires BusyBox to be flashed manually so I downloaded the file but when I tried to load it onto my phone I noticed this wasn't possible anymore.
Now when I connect my phone to my PC the PC recognizes it, but when I open the map in Windows Explorer it only shows three maps; .showme, _nero_sync and Ringtones. I know there should be more as they were there before. It also shows my phone's capacity as a total of 10GB (shouldn't this be 16GB?). Also when I try to connect it with Sync Manager it gives me an error everytime I reconnect the phone; Device unavailable. Please reconnect your device [4].
I have tried to reset the phone through settings, wipe with TWRP and fix permissions with TWRP. I also tried reinstalling Sync Manager and the drivers on my PC. What I'm thinking now is I maybe have done something wrong in the ES file explorer that would make the folders unaccessible.
My phone is running stock android 5.0.1 and my PC Windows 7 64-bit.
I hope someone can help me, Thanks.
P.S: Sorry for the long post, I figured I'd give as much info as possible.
@Steef076 First update recovery to the latest one (2.8.6.0)
Second if you go and delete vital or integrated parts of the stock rom you will get a lot of bugs. Third, viper4android requires to write system and you can't write system with the stock kernel, you need an unsecured kernel or unsecure it yourself.
10GB is right since 6 is eaten by android. At this point I would just revert to a backup or install any custom rom around here. Most are close to stock and with no bloatware and come with root. You can even clean them further using a tool called ROM Cleaner. It will most likely solve all your problems
Did the deleted system apps reappear after reboot, or do they remain "uninstalled"? If the system is write protected like TempestZ states, any deleted system apps should reappear after a reboot.
Revert your nandroid to restore the system apps. And you didn't make a nandroid, you really should before making any system modifications for the very reason that it allows you to revert if you run into problems.
Another good practice, is if you don't know what effect deleting a system app will have (such as "safe to delete" lists that can sometimes be found on XDA) you should first freeze the app with Titanium Backup. If freezing doesn't cause any issues, then go ahead and delete. If you do have issues, just unfreeze the app.
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Now when I connect my phone to my PC the PC recognizes it, but when I open the map in Windows Explorer it only shows three maps; .showme, _nero_sync and Ringtones. I know there should be more as they were there before. It also shows my phone's capacity as a total of 10GB (shouldn't this be 16GB?). Also when I try to connect it with Sync Manager it gives me an error everytime I reconnect the phone; Device unavailable. Please reconnect your device [4].
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No, Windows will never show 16 GB. It only shows "internal storage" partition, or the user accessible portion of the storage. A good chunk is reserved for the OS.
Does what is shown in Windows differ from what is shown in ES if you browse to internal storage?
Thanks for the replies. @TempestZ @redpoint73
First of all I managed to update twrp to 2.8.6.0 using adb/fastboot.
To answer your question @redpoint73 the system apps I had deleted indeed reappeared after reboot. Also I didn't make a nandroid before I deleted the files, as I did not even know this was possible. Now I have made a nandroid of my stock ROM that is working decently, except for the TV app keeps crashing (I'm not opening it) and the connection to the PC is not working properly (not sure if this is ROM based?). I have noticed when the phone is in recovery I CAN see the folders through windows explorer. HTC sync manager still doesn't find it though. I am working on finding a proper stock ROM or maybe flash a custom one to see if that will fix it.
I understand now that the OS is taking up the storage space. The space windows is showing is the same as ES file manager so I guess this is fine.
HTC Sync is a hot mess. It often causes more troubles than it solves.
One thing you can try (to see if it fixes the USB connectivity) is uninstall HTC Sync and all HTC drivers. Than connect the phone. Don't let it install HTC Sync. Go to Windows Device Manager, find the device. Then pick the option to manually select the drivers, and pick the generic "Android MTP device" (or something to that effect) drivers.
This doesn't work for everyone. But it worked for me to be able to "see" the internal storage of my M8 on my home PC (Win 7). Annoyingly, it seems to vary from one PC to another. My work laptop (also Win 7) works fine with HTC Sync.
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So if I understand correctly, 'version-main' is the same as 'firmware' and 'software number' (found in settings)? If so, my current firmware seems to be 4.19.114.2.
Now, what you're saying is I should do an OTA but this isn't possible because I have a custom recovery right?
Also, when I want to flash stock rom and stock recovery or do a nand don't I need the files that fit my cidnum? How would your file work for me?
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If yours already on 4.19.114.2 then no need to do OTA as that the latest.
and my backup will bring back your device back to stock as you first bought it when restore with a full wipe.
Try to solve your problem first, only when you really need the backup then only I will upload ... let me know
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If yours already on 4.19.114.2 then no need to do OTA as that the latest.
and my backup will bring back your device back to stock as you first bought it when restore with a full wipe.
Try to solve your problem first, only when you really need the backup then only I will upload ... let me know
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Hello, sorry for the late reply.
I have decided to give a custom ROM a try. I now have ARHD 41.0 installed and it seems this took care of my problems. All the maps are showing in windows explorer and HTC sync manager is connecting properly with my phone again. Also no more crashing apps. Your backup would still be of much use for me as I am not sure I want to stick with a custom ROM and therefore would like to have a stock ROM backup.
Thanks in advance.
i wanted to install new stock rom from here but fastboot wont install it so i went to twrp and tried to flash it from there but during flashing twrp just rebooted itself and saying installation wasnt sucessful, i figured this is due to S-On but prior to flashing it i did possibly the stupidest thing, i went to ADVANCED WIPE and wiped every option on the list(dalvik,system,data,internal storage,cache) except for micro sdcard ofcourse. i then went to FIX PERMISSIONS and stupidly select the ALSO FIX SELINUX CONTEXTS. when those done i then went and install another image which is on the sdcard that i downloaded from here E9pw_Android5.0_Sense70_E1.zip . the installation went well and rebooted itself and got to the homescreen and whatnot. but the troubles came when i tried to install apps from playstore and it gave me all kind of errors known to man, even going into file manager to access the internal storage gave me problem it says something along ACCESS IS DENIED or CANT ACESSS EMULATED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. when i opened chrome to download something the browser just crashed because apparently it wont able to access the emulated storage. yeah i fcked up badly here. dont know whatelse to do.
see below of the files that i currently have in my external microsd card:
E9pw_Android5.0_Sense70_E1.zip -WORKS
open gapps arm64 android 5.0 stock
RUU 0PJXIMG_A55ML_DTUL_L50_SENSE70_hTC_Asia_WWE_1.35.7 07.2 - DONT WORK
0PJXIMG_A55ML_DTUL_L50_SENSE70_hTC_Asia_WWE_1.35.7 07.2 - DONT WORK
Thanks!
Got it fixed! by going to TWRP-->WIPE-->FORMAT DATA and reinstall the ROM. if anybody experiencing the same problem please do the same.
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Got it fixed! by going to TWRP-->WIPE-->FORMAT DATA and reinstall the ROM. if anybody experiencing the same problem please do the same.
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hy i am in exactly same situataion. S ON with twrp installed i accidentaly formatted all and it showd no storage later on i formatted system too and now device has no os. I can still boot in to recovery. DOnt kow what to do now