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I have a question, while everyone says that to get cm7 we need to wait for official gb. I understand that but we got official froyo didn't we? how come we don't have cm6 if it was official froyo and i would think it came with source within 30 days?
By all means, dont take this as a rant, i was just curious.
The people working on cm6 didn't see any point in finishing the project even with source because gb and new source was supposedly around the corner. 6 months later, we still don't have gb, and imo may never, and cm6 is final. The real cyanogen team doesn't support 6 anymore afaik.
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austin420 said:
The people working on cm6 didn't see any point in finishing the project even with source because gb and new source was supposedly around the corner. 6 months later, we still don't have gb, and imo may never, and cm6 is final. The real cyanogen team doesn't support 6 anymore afaik.
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No I asked this same question the other day and a CyanogenMod dev said it was because we never got driver sources :/ supposedly were getting them with gb but if not its gonna be hit or miss every step of the way since building aosp roms w/o source is like navigating a maze in the dark.......
theduce102 said:
No I asked this same question the other day and a CyanogenMod dev said it was because we never got driver sources :/ supposedly were getting them with gb but if not its gonna be hit or miss every step of the way since building aosp roms w/o source is like navigating a maze in the dark.......
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i thought they had to release source within 30 days? or is the driver source not part of that?
if they didn't release the driver source with official froyo release then they probably wont for gb, then its say bye bye to official cm -.-
kwazytazz said:
i thought they had to release source within 30 days? or is the driver source not part of that?
if they didn't release the driver source with official froyo release then they probably wont for gb, then its say bye bye to official cm -.-
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Let's clear a something up.
Official Cyanogenmod is 100% possible WITHOUT source code/drivers/etc. it just is not a practical endeavor to begin the arduous process of writing drivers and an AOSP kernel from scratch when there is a very real chance of source code being released in the near future.
kwazytazz said:
i thought they had to release source within 30 days? or is the driver source not part of that?
if they didn't release the driver source with official froyo release then they probably wont for gb, then its say bye bye to official cm -.-
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Yeah its not impossible dude, just like 063_XBOX said..... I thought my metaphor explained it pretty well .... its possible to navigate your way out of a maze in the dark.... it'll just be a pain in the ass running into walls the whole way through..... "if we don't get any source with gb, Id think we would have nightly builds within 2-3 months assuming everyone pitched in and we had our best devs on the job..... " everything in the quotes is speculation and my personal guess so take it with a grain of salt or not at all.....
Ninja Edit: and as for source being released within 30 days of rom release, that's only for the kernel (and maybe rom?, I don't think roms have source??? I could be wrong)...... but drivers are closed source, which means they aren't required by license to give out.....
theduce102 said:
No I asked this same question the other day and a CyanogenMod dev said it was because we never got driver sources :/
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I didn't think we ever had a sanctioned cyanogen mod dev working on the epic. Just other devs working on a port.
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austin420 said:
I didn't think we ever had a sanctioned cyanogen mod dev working on the epic. Just other devs working on a port.
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Naw we have had quite a few devs working on it but one of them just so happened to answer me....
But when I say CM dev I mean someone who actually contributed to the projects and made some progress in getting something to work in one of the builds.....
I thought I'd clear some things up.
If I'm wrong please don't flame me, I'm only doing my best to subdue the general discontent in [sgh-t989]/[android development]...
Steve Kondik, also known as the creator of the godfather of all ROMS (cyanogenmod) personally owns one of our t989s (source:twitter). That, combined with the fact that this is a FLAGSHIP t-mo device probably means that our phone will be supported from the day that 9.0.0 drops.
Now, let me tell you what this means.
As you all know, for a device get non-kang CM9 our hardware must be fully supported. Camera, GPS, bluetooth, egl drivers all must work.
When a huge scale ROM like CM9 is cooked for so many devices I understand it goes something like this
[AOSP modified by Cyanogenmod(teamdouce)] +
[Android Kernel, also modified by Cyanogenmod]+
[Device tree]+
[A virgin sacrifice]=
CYANOGENMOD
Now the interesting bit, is that as soon as the device tree (Eg. Specific driver modifications for GPS, Camera, GPU) includes our device the device tree can be used to power OTHER AOSP ROMS like Miui
I know that gingerbread MIUI already makes use of the CM7 device tree, so in all likelihood they will use the CM9 device tree as well!!!
So in conclusion.
-Because CM9 has a high likelihood of dropping on our devices as soon as it comes out (most likely within the next 30 days)
-Because other AOSP-Based roms depend on the cyanogenmod device tree
-WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FLASHING OPTIONS SOON
-Probably including CM9 AND MIUI v4 <<<<--------THAT **** CRAY
Thanks for your time, hope it helped
Don't forget the thanks button feels good when you push it.
there are a lot of other devices with cm9 alpha and we are still not an officially supported device. Still unofficially being worked on
I for one is not counting on it, frankly...
No matter how beautifully you phrase things, WE GOT NOTHING YET.
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[A virgin sacrifice] =
SO FREK'IN EXCITED!!!!!
thanks for the info bro looking forward to it
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there are a lot of other devices with cm9 alpha and we are still not an officially supported device. Still unofficially being worked on
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the thing is, many of those are KANGed as in not officially supported by CM team
of the few that officially are supported is Nexus S i9020 and SGS i9000
even the "classic" SGS2 i9100 is not fully supported by CM yet, there's more bugs than... well it's not usable as a daily driver
that was just before the end of last year
they might have improved it a bit by now
even the Nexus S version of CM9 is still very buggy, that's why i have the stock official ICS4 instead on my Nexus S
Please please use words like
"death of an era." Instead of virgin sacrifice. I don't believe in that
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iwasblown said:
Please please use words like
"death of an era." Instead of virgin sacrifice. I don't believe in that
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I don't believe in idiots, can you make them all go away?
It takes time for this stuff guys. Anyone remember how long it took to jump from donut to eclair to get a stable rom? And look how few devices there were that actually ran android. This whole "if its not done in 2 weeks then its never happening" thing is a bit unfair. Let the devs dev and those who do not can wait for them quietly.
Why this statement?
From a glaxay better than yours.
tl;dr
I am basing my entire post on the fact that Steve Kondik has our device and should theoretically be working on it.
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Steve Kondik aka Mr. Cyanogen also works for Samsung. I am sure he gets ALL Samsung devices...
corwest said:
It takes time for this stuff guys. Anyone remember how long it took to jump from donut to eclair to get a stable rom? And look how few devices there were that actually ran android. This whole "if its not done in 2 weeks then its never happening" thing is a bit unfair. Let the devs dev and those who do not can wait for them quietly.
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It only takes 2 weeks to modify the stock rom or cm7/9.
Its the expectation that is built when people act like quantity is all that matters. There are basically only 2 people making roms; Samsung and CM team, everyone else just waits on these 2 so that they could tweak and modify one of those 2. The funniest part is that the use of the word "kanging" is thrown around among these other people.
housecat93 said:
I thought I'd clear some things up.
If I'm wrong please don't flame me, I'm only doing my best to subdue the general discontent in [sgh-t989]/[android development]...
Steve Kondik, also known as the creator of the godfather of all ROMS (cyanogenmod) personally owns one of our t989s (source:twitter). That, combined with the fact that this is a FLAGSHIP t-mo device probably means that our phone will be supported from the day that 9.0.0 drops.
Now, let me tell you what this means.
As you all know, for a device get non-kang CM9 our hardware must be fully supported. Camera, GPS, bluetooth, egl drivers all must work.
When a huge scale ROM like CM9 is cooked for so many devices I understand it goes something like this
[AOSP modified by Cyanogenmod(teamdouce)] +
[Android Kernel, also modified by Cyanogenmod]+
[Device tree]+
[A virgin sacrifice]=
CYANOGENMOD
Now the interesting bit, is that as soon as the device tree (Eg. Specific driver modifications for GPS, Camera, GPU) includes our device the device tree can be used to power OTHER AOSP ROMS like Miui
I know that gingerbread MIUI already makes use of the CM7 device tree, so in all likelihood they will use the CM9 device tree as well!!!
So in conclusion.
-Because CM9 has a high likelihood of dropping on our devices as soon as it comes out (most likely within the next 30 days)
-Because other AOSP-Based roms depend on the cyanogenmod device tree
-WE WILL HAVE A LOT OF FLASHING OPTIONS SOON
-Probably including CM9 AND MIUI v4 <<<<--------THAT **** CRAY
Thanks for your time, hope it helped
Don't forget the thanks button feels good when you push it.
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I'd like to believe, I really would. And I hope this does come to fruition. However, even if it doesn't, the few ROMS we do have are pretty good, and our phone still outperforms almost anything else available right now, so I'll still be happy.
I do have one request, though. Can we figure out a way to make CM based ROMS happen without a virgin sacrifice? There are so many other things in life that require those, that they are starting to become scarce
The fact that lots of other phones have alphas and repositories available to even make kangs does not fare well for our device.
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guys chillax..slayher already has it booting..and that's news from december
good to know, thanks
Great phone, needs more dev time and hopefully that comes along with it when ics hits.
We got shafted early with the nexus release so close to the T989 and a dev that promised things but ran away.
New year brings new hope. Great respect for the devs that care about our phone.
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Let's hope the mods don't ban what little devs we have left...
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AznDud333 said:
guys chillax..slayher already has it booting..and that's news from december
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I don't follow, what do you mean by booting?
synergeticink said:
I don't follow, what do you mean by booting?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booting
I know this has been posted in other sections of XDA, for other phones, and being discussed in the MIUI thread itself, but just in case you didn't know, this is potentialy awesome.
MIUI going open source!
I like certain aspects of MIUI myself (system setting anyone? freaking awesome!), but since I live in a "better than average 4G" area, I don't use it.
This might change everything.
Discuss? Interest? Opinions? Further information?
Ive decided I'm learning Chinese so I don't need anyone to port my MIUI.
MIUI is awesome. And this looks promising!
Frankly, it may not be the Holy grail of 4G that *we* might hope for, as (was pointed out in the miui thread) we don't have a open source wimax driver for this phone. Other phones might find that a possibility sooner than us. But still... Modded miui roms, perhaps better translations, ported apps/parts. Good times.
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I always like to flash MIUI every once in a while, it is very interesting and really like parts of it but I am overall eventually turned off by the similarity with iOS. Nevertheless it is good to see the move to open source, will only improve the development and options out there. Can't wait to see where it goes.
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kingdazy said:
Frankly, it may not be the Holy grail of 4G that *we* might hope for, as (was pointed out in the miui thread) we don't have a open source wimax driver for this phone. Other phones might find that a possibility sooner than us. But still... Modded miui roms, perhaps better translations, ported apps/parts. Good times.
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Yeah go tell that to sbrissen how dare he get 4G working on ics with no open source wimax driver how dare he!
im0rtalz said:
Yeah go tell that to sbrissen how dare he get 4G working on ics with no open source wimax driver how dare he!
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yeah, i have a feeling the everything is about to change 'round here, for all the devs.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!topic/android-building/YoBlTfntDvo
I am hoping i see a good rom to push this 4.0.4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1569496
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I have been running 4.0.4 for a couple months already thanks to the leak. evryone that has been hesitant to try it will be very pleased with it.
About damn time.
jr313 said:
I have been running 4.0.4 for a couple months already thanks to the leak. evryone that has been hesitant to try it will be very pleased with it.
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That's a much older build though that JBQ admitted had some bugs that were quite bad. Better to way a day or so for the official build.
Can't wait for this. Will the native tethering hack still work with it?
blunden said:
That's a much older build though that JBQ admitted had some bugs that were quite bad. Better to way a day or so for the official build.
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It's not that much older. IMM74 is exactly 34 days newer than IMM30. The second M says they're both from the same quarter of the year. The two builds were made 30 days and 74 days into quarter M.
SOURCE: http://source.android.com/source/build-numbers.html
1/4 down the page
here is official link w/ 4.0.4 - Binaries for Nexus Phones and Flagship Devices - Google Support for Nexus Phones and Flagship Devices - Google Code
I will wait for miui version.
From mister JBQ himself via Twitter:
@XxSmokeeyxX toro source files and proprietary binaries are out (but untested). mysid factory images will follow the OTA (still untested).
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We are getting source and blobs!
zeke1988 said:
I will wait for miui version.
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Do you use a custom launcher or put everything in folders? Tried to get into MIUI, but not for me unless there is a better way to use it.
gchild320 said:
Do you use a custom launcher or put everything in folders? Tried to get into MIUI, but not for me unless there is a better way to use it.
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Irrelevant to the thread, but when I used MIUI briefly, I used a custom launcher. I really don't like not having an app drawer. I like minimalist desktops
xVehemencityx said:
Irrelevant to the thread...
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This thread is irrelevant to itself (if that's a thing). This is the development section so this should probably be in the general section. Believe me, the developers know this information a) because it's posted all over the interwebs today and b) they are developers and their new code beacons go off when ever El Goog releases new code.
blunden said:
That's a much older build though that JBQ admitted had some bugs that were quite bad. Better to way a day or so for the official build.
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I personally highly doubt that there is a huge differ in performance increase from the already leaked build for CDMA version and the newly pushed out one. Some of the increased performances that are said it has I experience with the already leaked build. The camera is faster opening. The rotation is much faster. I don't experience any bugs.
When we actually get the official one you can bet I will put that on here and root it so I can benefit from overclocking and underclocking (good battery life)
Surely someone with over 400 posts would know that this has no business in the development forum.
TheBiles said:
Surely someone with over 400 posts would know that this has no business in the development forum.
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+1 was wondering that myself.
GNEX
jr313 said:
I have been running 4.0.4 for a couple months already thanks to the leak. evryone that has been hesitant to try it will be very pleased with it.
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You've been running an alpha build (basically) of the LTE version. It lacks updated kernels, drivers, and maybe even code. It was an accidental release.
So as awesome as it is, it's very possible it'll be even better when it comes out.
Waiting for the sources that is, what are porters planning on sticking on this? Personally I want the sources to attempt to port Sailfish, only reason I bough the phone. I currently have the Nexus 5 and the OS runs buttery smooth thanks to the porters over at #sailfishos-porters
Am even wondering did I make a mistake buying this device when the Nexus 5, is more than enough omph to power the OS. But I've got it and gotta try, to atleast expand my own knowledge base.
also do you guys know how chainfire managed to build the kernel for it without the sources?
WTF?
The phone has been out for less than a month. Have some patience or start learning to develop yourself, rather than creating a useless thread, just to whine.
I got my 5x last Tuesday and forgot how little I like "pure" android. I think the usual progression is flash aosp then flash cyanogenmod once the nightlies start to stabilize. I know I'm in the minority but the nexus phones usually have too much Google on them for my taste. I like the hardware, but the software is another story.
At any rate, I'm also waiting for the binaries and device tree so that I can start building my own.
m4r0v3r said:
Waiting for the sources that is, what are porters planning on sticking on this? Personally I want the sources to attempt to port Sailfish, only reason I bough the phone. I currently have the Nexus 5 and the OS runs buttery smooth thanks to the porters over at #sailfishos-porters
Am even wondering did I make a mistake buying this device when the Nexus 5, is more than enough omph to power the OS. But I've got it and gotta try, to atleast expand my own knowledge base.
also do you guys know how chainfire managed to build the kernel for it without the sources?
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If you knew much about how android works, you'd know that chainfire didn't make a kernel. He took the boot image and modified some fstab, prop, and sepolicy stuff, repackaged it, and released it. He didn't build his own kernel.
In any case, I'm curious about this, how long does it usually take google to release their sources?
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sn0warmy said:
WTF?
The phone has been out for less than a month. Have some patience or start learning to develop yourself, rather than creating a useless thread, just to whine.
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oh yeah Ill just go and create a kernel, and while am at it, I may as well write my own drivers. Maybe I'll call my kernel linox, and adopt this policy of sharing my source code so other people could collaborate. Maybe using some sort of version control, call Hit or something, maybe on some website called HitHub.
Yeah that sounds like a good way to develop it...Or Google could hurry the **** up and release the sources and binaries so I wouldn't have to.
Well if you read my post you'd see I was curious about what people wanted to port.
drsn0w said:
If you knew much about how android works, you'd know that chainfire didn't make a kernel. He took the boot image and modified some fstab, prop, and sepolicy stuff, repackaged it, and released it. He didn't build his own kernel.
In any case, I'm curious about this, how long does it usually take google to release their sources?
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Not make but people have been saying it was built with forceencrypt disabled so I thought he built the kernel with that flag, (ie he had the sources). But it seems thats not the place to change it
Wow the self-entitlement is real nowadays, patience bro. You cant have everything instantly when you want it.
m4r0v3r said:
oh yeah Ill just go and create a kernel, and while am at it, I may as well write my own drivers. Maybe I'll call my kernel linox, and adopt this policy of sharing my source code so other people could collaborate. Maybe using some sort of version control, call Hit or something, maybe on some website called HitHub.
Yeah that sounds like a good way to develop it...Or Google could hurry the **** up and release the sources and binaries so I wouldn't have to.
Well if you read my post you'd see I was curious about what people wanted to port.
Not make but people have been saying it was built with forceencrypt disabled so I thought he built the kernel with that flag, (ie he had the sources). But it seems thats not the place to change it
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timjp692 said:
Wow the self-entitlement is real nowadays, patience bro. You cant have everything instantly when you want it.
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what to expect an open source based phone to have the sources with it?
No I know I can't have everything when I instantly want it, but really what could be the reason for the delay. Since am already pretty pissed about the force encryption.
m4r0v3r said:
what to expect an open source based phone to have the sources with it?
No I know I can't have everything when I instantly want it, but really what could be the reason for the delay. Since am already pretty pissed about the force encryption.
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I'm sorry, but you sound like a whiney little 12 year old who is used to having everything they want RIGHT when they want it. Kind of sums up the turn this forum has taken over the past couple of years.
In the real world you'll learn that good things take time. The phrase, "patience is a virtue" holds true merit.
Offer a bounty if you're that impatient.
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I'm sorry, but you sound like a whiney little 12 year old who is used to having everything they want RIGHT when they want it. Kind of sums up the turn this forum has taken over the past couple of years.
In the real world you'll learn that good things take time. The phrase, "patience is a virtue" holds true merit.
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Apology accepted.
bblzd said:
Offer a bounty if you're that impatient.
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For what exactly? Someone to break in Google servers and take the source code? lol
m4r0v3r said:
For what exactly? Someone to break in Google servers and take the source code? lol
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I'm waiting too- it's not like google is still working on the binary drivers and just building the production rom with hacked up device trees until they get the real ones. I could be mis-remembering, but in the past, I thought the factory roms and binary drivers were available the day the devices were released.
I can certainly understand being patient with devs who are working on roms (for free/beer/donations), but google is done with the rom and has already released it to production. The factory image for the 6p was delayed as well. It's not a secret- they are going to push it to every one who bought a phone. My conspiracy theory is that google is trying to bury aosp, and merging android and chrome will be another stab into the heart of both privacy and freedom.
and its outtt
m4r0v3r said:
and its outtt
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Waiting for some real nexus thing then