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Low space even while using 1GB ext3 partition

I have HTC desire with Leedroid 2.2 rom
the problem is I used to have a 512 MB ext3 partition for apps and the space getting low while not installing that kind of apps
then I formatted and made that partition 1GB and while using different froyo roms the space getting low
last time yesterday I had to remove many apps regardless the apps I've already moved to micro SD in order to install a tiny app and to remove the low in space icon in notification bar
the problem is I'm not sure either if the space is used or not, and how would I know that for sure?
I've installed yesterday an app named link2sd which should display the data for ext2, 3 or 4 even
when I choose them the app display it fails to open it
any help?

Titanium backup also shows.
Do you have an activated apps2sd+?

davebugyi said:
Titanium backup also shows.
Do you have an activated apps2sd+?
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how does the Titanium backup show it?
I guess I've activated it when I rooted it a year ago, how to check that?

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As you can see, it shows on the first screen.
If you have Darktremor's script you can check it with a2sdGUI

Leedroid==cyanogenmod script.
Open terminal emulator and type:
su
ls -l /data
Then post the output.

davebugyi said:
As you can see, it shows on the first screen.
If you have Darktremor's script you can check it with
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thank you
first I've checked TB and it says A2SD 790 MB and free 97 MB (I dont know how and why if there is 97 MB free keeps says low space?)
second I've downloaded the App and it displayed a message
could not start for one of these reason
1-your device is not rooted (which is already)
2- A2SD script could not be found
3-No EXT partition found
so?

erklat said:
Leedroid==cyanogenmod script.
Open terminal emulator and type:
su
ls -l /data
Then post the output.
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any tutorial for the terminal emulator

M_HaFeZ said:
thank you
first I've checked TB and it says A2SD 790 MB and free 97 MB (I dont know how and why if there is 97 MB free keeps says low space?)
second I've downloaded the App and it displayed a message
could not start for one of these reason
1-your device is not rooted (which is already)
2- A2SD script could not be found
3-No EXT partition found
so?
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the app is for an other kind of script probably
anyway ur a2sd is working as its about full (how many apps u have?!?)
anyways u get low space message because probably ur /data partition is full,
with the terminal emulator app type df -h and see the space used from each partition
-install https://market.android.com/details?id=jackpal.androidterm
-open the app
-type su and press enter
-type df -f and press enter
-see the result

here you can find the screenshots in the attachment
sorry I couldn't just display them as images cause of new members restrictions

M_HaFeZ said:
here you can find the screenshots in the attachment
sorry I couldn't just display them as images cause of new members restrictions
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good..as u can see u have only 14.8 mb free on the /data partition (the low space message is related to that)
that because even with a2sd, the data related to each app (settings, ecc and even the dalvik cache) are stored on the data partition and not on the ext (only apk are on the ext)
then..or u remove some apps that u dont need or u should increase ur ext to 2gb and go for a data2ext script/rom (which move app data and dalvik cache on the ext)

andQlimax said:
good..as u can see u have only 14.8 mb free on the /data partition (the low space message is related to that)
that because even with a2sd, the data related to each app (settings, ecc and even the dalvik cache) are stored on the data partition and not on the ext (only apk are on the ext)
then..or u remove some apps that u dont need or u should increase ur ext to 2gb and go for a data2ext script/rom (which move app data and dalvik cache on the ext)
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I still dont believe I'm using all this size
anyhow the contacts store itself uses 22 MB as data
for the data2ext script/rom, is is a program or smth?

you can give a try to move the dalvik-cache to ext3
1. open terminal emulator
2. type su
3. a2sd help (to show list of commands)
4. a2sd partlist (displays list of supported partitions)
a2sd reinstall - Moves free and paid apps to the ext2/ext3/ext4 partition on your secure digital card. Removes the No A2SD flag file
a2sd cachesd - Moves Dalvik cache files to the ext2/ext3/ext4 partition on your secure digital card. Creates Dalvik Cache to SD flag.
for more help on a2sd command refer
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=158826790833326

kmaq said:
you can give a try to move the dalvik-cache to ext3
1. open terminal emulator
2. type su
3. a2sd help (to show list of commands)
4. a2sd partlist (displays list of supported partitions)
a2sd reinstall - Moves free and paid apps to the ext2/ext3/ext4 partition on your secure digital card. Removes the No A2SD flag file
a2sd cachesd - Moves Dalvik cache files to the ext2/ext3/ext4 partition on your secure digital card. Creates Dalvik Cache to SD flag.
for more help on a2sd command refer
http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=158826790833326
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Sigh....
As I stated already, Leedroid uses Cyanogenmod script and that commands are for Darktremors's script. I beg to differ.

erklat said:
Sigh....
As I stated already, Leedroid uses Cyanogenmod script and that commands are for Darktremors's script. I beg to differ.
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As in the earlier post that it mentioned about a2sd, i suggested the steps to check and reinstall it.
for cyanogenmod installing S2E (simple2ext) may help.

kmaq said:
As in the earlier post that it mentioned about a2sd, i suggested the steps to check and reinstall it.
for cyanogenmod installing S2E (simple2ext) may help.
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S2E works only with Cyanogenmod rom.

I've run the terminal emulator
types su
and every a2sd command gives me command not found !!

This is why I don't like Ap2SD script. What's happening for you is say you have 20MB internal Memory and you have 400MB ext3 and you download an App say 15mb in size. What happens is 10MB will go to ext3 and the other 5MB will go to internal memory, leaving you 15MB now repeat that and you will soon get low space message.
Switch to Data2SD script and all your problems will be gone note you will need a SD card class 4 and above or you get lag.

Thank you
I will search for a way to that switch
and I already ordered a Class 10 microSD card

[SOLVED] [Q] a2sd cachesd ?

Hi,
I've installed the Sandvod rom.
ICS on my HTC Desire.
But I'm exhausted because of the little space on internal memory.
So I read this
I can't install any new apps because I have no more space!
Do you have an ext3 or ext 4 partition?
No > Go to step 1
Yes > Go to step 5
1. Backup all data on your sd card, because it will be formatted if you follow these steps
2. Reboot into recovery, choose advanced >Partition SD Card
3. Choose Ext size of 512M or higher and Swap of 0M
4. Reboot to Android
5. Open Terminal
6. Type the following:
su
a2sd install
6.5 If it asks you to move the cache, choose yes and go to step 9. If it doesn't, go to step 7.
7. let the phone reboot and open terminal again
8. type the following:
su
a2sd cachesd
9. Let the phone reboot 1 more time (Booting will take a lot longer the 1st time) and you're done!
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But and poor of me, I can run the command :
- a2sd cachesd
- a2sd check ...
When I run "a2sd cachesd", I have this result
[]Invalid command
Available commands are :
install ....
I tried to launch "a2sd install" and the mobile reboot...but.
Any advices ?
Thanks in advance.
Spy20

Check you actually have the script in system/etc/init.d
It will be obviously named with 2 numbers followed by a2sd or apps2sd
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It's name
Code:
10apps2sd
I must run commands with this script ?
Edit : If I use this command, I will happened nothing.
rootSU said:
Check you actually have the script in system/etc/init.d
It will be obviously named with 2 numbers followed by a2sd or apps2sd
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Having the same problems with InsertCoin GingerSense 1.1.4 (discontinued, I know) and QSI reads the EXT4 partition as not having been budged since flashing the rom. Tried moving stuff manually with the terminal, but it can't find the A2SD+ script, even though the 40a2sd script is nice and snug in the init.d folder where it belongs.
Any thoughts?

Hi,
I've just download the new version of Sandvold.
But now I can't move somes apps in sdcard.
About scripts I have only this one in /etc/init.d/
Code:
40apps2sd
When I tried to upload the 10apps2sd http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14623648&postcount=3991
file I've this error
Code:
Read-only file system
My problem is internal memory is full because of no app2sd work ?
Do you have some advices ?
Thanks a lot in advance.
Spy20

Spy20 said:
Hi,
I've just download the new version of Sandvold.
But now I can't move somes apps in sdcard.
About scripts I have only this one in /etc/init.d/
Code:
40apps2sd
When I tried to upload the 10apps2sd http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14623648&postcount=3991
file I've this error
Code:
Read-only file system
My problem is internal memory is full because of no app2sd work ?
Do you have some advices ?
Thanks a lot in advance.
Spy20
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I've got Xj miui rom, but would think dt a2sd should be the same
In terminal type
Su
A2sd check
In order for a2sd to work properly make sure the following boxes are checked as per my terminal screen dump.....before you do anything make sure zipalign happens at boot
if not run a2sd zipalign in terminal
Then a2sd reinstall
That should remove the no apps to SD flag meaning that any app you download will go to the SD card.
Once you've got it running properly run a2sd cache SD .
If you download quick system info it will give you accurate info.
If your struggling to get a2sd running properly you can download a2sd GUI from market.
Also try not and be tempted to run other commands with dt a2sd such as a2sd datasd and a2sd cachepart. This can cause your phone to run slow.
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Hi,
I've installed the app A2SD GUI.
But when starting GUI for darktremor I get this msg:
Get this error msg:
1. Your device is not rooted (yes it is)
2. A2SD Scripts could not be found
3. No EXT partition found (I have ext4 1024mb)
My device is root because of I've installed the Sandvold's rom
I have a partiton in EXT4 of 1024Mb
A2SD script not found because of the previous post.
What do you think ?
Thanks in advance for your advices.
Spy20

Spy20 said:
Hi,
I've installed the app A2SD GUI.
But when starting GUI for darktremor I get this msg:
Get this error msg:
1. Your device is not rooted (yes it is)
2. A2SD Scripts could not be found
3. No EXT partition found (I have ext4 1024mb)
My device is root because of I've installed the Sandvold's rom
I have a partiton in EXT4 of 1024Mb
A2SD script not found because of the previous post.
What do you think ?
Thanks in advance for your advices.
Spy20
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Check recovery can see your ext
Also did you try su a2sd check....is zipalign happening at boot if not that needs to be sorted out first.
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Sorry my bad. I assumed that it was darktremmors script
You have an a2sd version other than dt thats baked ito the rom so a2sdgui will not work...when you followed the sandvolds instructions did you get the option to move the dalvic at step 6 if not did you follow instructions at step 6.5 and reboot to try again. You said it rebooted but.....?
Did you install an sdext, is it working.
Can you run su a2sd check and post a screen dump.
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Finally,
I chosed to install the latest version in 0.5.3.
At the installation I chosed the default installa.
After the reboot, I can launch a2sd .
Thanks a lot.

HTC DESIRE EVERVOLV ICS- Booting takes long time
Hello,
I installed HTC DESIRE EVERVOLV ICS. I was having probelm as I can't install any new apps because I have no more space!
I am having an ext3 . I did following:
1. Open Terminal
2. Type the following:
su
a2sd install
3 it asked you to move the cache, choose yes and go to
step 4.
4. Let the phone reboot 1 more time (Booting will take a lot longer
the 1st time) and you're done!
After booting it is really taking longer more than 3 hr. Still going on.
Pl suggest.

Insufficient storage..

Hey peeps.
I've run into a problem recently. I don't have enough storlage space left for installing apps from the market.
I'm using an ICS Rom by sandvold.com. I have partioned 2 gigabytes of my 32 gigs SD card to be used for a2sd and so far only 500 mb is in use. Both my dalvik cache and app data are on the sd card.
During the installation of a2sd in my Rom I chose to use the stock version.
Does anyone know a possible solution to my problem?
Ty in advance!
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Open Terminal Emulator on your phone and type
Code:
su
a2sd install

I have done that already. How would I else be able to have my dalvik cache and app data on my sd card..?
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Screenshot of my titanium backup start screen.
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Start Terminal Emulator and post the output of these commands here:
Code:
su
ls -l /data
I do not get what you want me to say with your last post.
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If you want to know where all your free space has gone, try Diskusage app, and check your data partition...
Probably the cache of some of your apps has grown too much...
I had the same problem before I changed to Data++ hboot, and to COS ICS ROM (with dalvik2sd option)
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I've just realized you can't install apps from the market...
Try clearing caches and/or data from your browsers. Or even games... When you have enough free space for installing, try Diskusage then...
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I managed to clear up a little space by clearing my browser cache to install an app that easily clears my cache. I wanted to link my Titanium backup screenshot and the response to writing the command written above. Finally booted up my pc and here they are:
Titanium Backup information
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Terminal Emulator
I'm gonna try that disk app in a few hours..

Help is here!
I had the same problem.I have a desire stock 2.2.2 rooted and the space is very limited.This is what i done:
I partition my sd card ext2/ext3 (ext4 doesn't work)
Installed link 2 sd (when you first launch you will be prompted what partition you have ext2/ext3/ext4)
Restart the phone and you are done.
After linking the apps( i mean i linked in first restart 40+) the phone will boot slowly but after that it will be faster.
Hope helps you

I thank you much for the reply, but this is already what I've done and I'm out of space again, with my SD partitioned. I partitioned 2 GB of storage on my SD and it isn't using it all as you see on the titanium backup screenshot. I have no clue on how to fix it..

DaveFX said:
If you want to know where all your free space has gone, try Diskusage app, and check your data partition...
Probably the cache of some of your apps has grown too much...
I had the same problem before I changed to Data++ hboot, and to COS ICS ROM (with dalvik2sd option)
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I checked with the Diskusage app and found that approximately 600 MB was allocated for cache and data. Why isn't all of my 2 GB of sd-ext added to this "list"? Any suggestions would be apreciated.

Your output clearly shows A2SD is not working. Which means, Apps and Dalvik-Cache are not moved to SD-EXT.
So please run
Code:
a2sd install
After successfull reboot (script will you asking to do so after answering the question which data should be moved), please the output of this command again
Code:
ls -l /data

I ran the "a2sd install" command, moved dalvik and moved data by writing "y" to the questions.. After that I performed a reboot.
I then ran the command you wrote: ls -l /data.
I could be worth mentioning that during the installation of my ICS rom I choose to use the stock a2sd. I used to have a GB rom on my Desire some time ago. Back then I was using some other script called Darktremor and that worked. I have the opportunity to try another a2sd script during the installation of my rom. Any suggestions?

Ok this is what i suggest:
Remove the sim and memory card
If you have an card reader (backup your fat 32 partition and format it ;after that format ex2/ext3 partition)
Restore backup on the fat32 partition
Now do the phone a factory reset
Wait till it boots
Restart it
Put back the sd card and sim in the phone
Go to market and install link 2 sd and do the method i write in last post.
If this dosn't work flash data++ hboot from alpharev site

A2SD is still not working. How and with witch program did you partition your SD card?

MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition
Ok now i know what you are talking about:whatever you install it gives you inssuficient memory.I had the same prob after installing some app from market.I just installed it and it worked good then.

I used the recoverymode (Revolutionary) to partition my SD card, but it was an entirely new SD card at the time I installed it in my phone for about 1 month ago. I hadn't formatted it before I started using it.
I'm gonna try your method mansamihai, and get it done today hopefully. Not being able to install/update apps is driving me crazy.

mansamihai said:
MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition.
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Hammerbak said:
I used the recoverymode (Revolutionary) to partition my SD card, but it was an entirely new SD card at the time I installed it in my phone for about 1 month ago. I hadn't formatted it before I started using it.
I'm gonna try your method mansamihai, and get it done today hopefully. Not being able to install/update apps is driving me crazy.
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do not use MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition for creating your ext partition.
while it may work for some, in lots of cases it can cause more problems.
backup your sd card to computer first, then try partitioning from scratch again.
gparted is recommended above anything else, or use 4ext recovery.

I used the partition function in the revolutionary recovery mode to partition my SD. I've made it to the point where I should choose which file system my SD cards partition is in the Link2SD app and I have no clue which one to choose? Any chance for a bit of help here?

I tried the to do it all over again, sadly without any change in results..
It is still not working..
Any suggestions on what to do now?
Thanks in advance!

4EXT Recovery partitioning

Hi guys i just want to make 1gb ext4 partiotion on my sd card with no swap....using 4ext recovery i boot into recovery i select partition sd card and next what should i do ? there are two options save my fat32 partiotion ir remove all partiotions ...i backed all sd data in my PC so I think the first one? iam not sure about the process please help me i dont want anything to go wrong

jumptoin said:
Hi guys i just want to make 1gb ext4 partiotion on my sd card with no swap....using 4ext recovery i boot into recovery i select partition sd card and next what should i do ? there are two options save my fat32 partiotion ir remove all partiotions ...i backed all sd data in my PC so I think the first one? iam not sure about the process please help me i dont want anything to go wrong
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Just 1gb? (I usually prefer 2gb for a lil more space than the phone would have given me)
Anywho yes.
1) Start from scratch by removing all partitions.
2) Choose 1024 for sd-ext
2) Skip for Swap and sd-ext2
3) choose ext4 as the filesystem
When done you can toggle usb storage from the main recovery menu again and copy back your SD card content onto the FAT32 side (it'll probably be the only mount that shows up on your computer anyways unless you're using linux).
Since you're using EliteMod (from the other thread) you can also choose to convert the existing filesystems from ext3 to ext4 by first checking to see which ones need to be converted by taping 'info' on the first screen and see which are ext3.
Then go into tools, and convert backup/etc -> ext4 , and select specifically the ones that need converting (in your case may be data and cache).
After conversion goto tools -> fix user permissions (not 'needed' but generally a good idea after converting a file system).
It would probably be a good idea to goto wipe|format and clear cache+dalvik before booting back into the rom (it'll see the sd-ext partition and start moving stuff automatically).
If it's all working and such, be sure to go back into recovery and make a backup.
PS: The paid version of 4EXT will let you configure the recovery further from the app, such as telling it not to backup dalvik-cache or cache when backing up (instead they will be formatted upon restore), as well as some other options like hide non-FAT32 partitions from the PC when mounting USB storage in recovery.
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I followed your steps ... i wiped cache and dalvik and i flashed dataswap 64 mb and now i turned on phone and there is statement ANDROID IS UPRGADING ..starting applications ..and its loading and loading whats wrong ?

Wiping dalvik cache clears some application related data which is created when the app is installed. Doing this can sometimes resolve some issues.
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jumptoin said:
I followed your steps ... i wiped cache and dalvik and i flashed dataswap 64 mb and now i turned on phone and there is statement ANDROID IS UPRGADING ..starting applications ..and its loading and loading whats wrong ?
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Nothing is wrong, normal behavior after wiping the dalvik cache, it'll go thru and optimize all your applications and won't show that dialog again until either you wipe the dalvik cache again or a new application is installed without the automatic optimization. You should have seen a # or # incrementing as it was doing it (i.e.: in my case # of 155 applications).

[Q]EXT4 FS?

So I feel satisfied with Mimicry 1.5. So it is one more step for maximum performance: new file system.
I was searching for tut but there's too many results and I can't find anything, so I will post my dump questions here:
What is ext4? Is whole new FS on internal memory or extra partition on sdcard or both?
Will I need to reinstall rom?
Is ext4 console required or cwm will work too?
Can I restore nandroid backup over ext4?
Can i create ext4 partition on sdcard without reinstalling rom?
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Mimicry supports ext4 and I highly recommend using it. The easiest way to check and see what file system you are using across the different partitions of your phone is with 4ext recovery. I have a guide to switch to 4ext recovery here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33058659
It's like the 4th post or so, you can do it other ways as well but it just makes sense having the better recovery anyway. You are getting a few things jumbled together, 4ext is a recovery. Ext4 is a files system used in linux that is faster than ext3 but has potential issues with the extra journaling. Just do a little googling to find more info.
You can partition your sdcard to include a ext partition, usually used to store apps, it can be better for some and can be slower for others depending on many things such as how many apps you have, speed of sdcard, etc. Also som roms do not support an ext partition on your sdcard natively so that is something to keep in mind.
Do a little reaserch and decide what's best for you. But definetly get the 4ext recovery and I highly suggest changing all partitions on your phone to ext4
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demkantor said:
Mimicry supports ext4 and I highly recommend using it. The easiest way to check and see what file system you are using across the different partitions of your phone is with 4ext recovery. I have a guide to switch to 4ext recovery here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33058659
It's like the 4th post or so, you can do it other ways as well but it just makes sense having the better recovery anyway. You are getting a few things jumbled together, 4ext is a recovery. Ext4 is a files system used in linux that is faster than ext3 but has potential issues with the extra journaling. Just do a little googling to find more info.
You can partition your sdcard to include a ext partition, usually used to store apps, it can be better for some and can be slower for others depending on many things such as how many apps you have, speed of sdcard, etc. Also som roms do not support an ext partition on your sdcard natively so that is something to keep in mind.
Do a little reaserch and decide what's best for you. But definetly get the 4ext recovery and I highly suggest changing all partitions on your phone to ext4
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Okay. But after that how to format new file system both on sdcard and internal memory? Will titanium backup restore data of some backuped apps due to different location of ext4 partition on sdcard and so on. I mean i will give fresh start to my dz on sdcard too. But there's about 15 apps with important data that i need to restore easily after that.

umm, so if you choose to replace clockwork with 4ext recovery there is an option there to format all partitions (except sdcard) also under info, it will tell you current partitions in case you dont know
now there is an option to format sdcard in there as well (i recommend putting all contents of sd on computer first as a backup) choose swap partition size (probably just choose 0 but if you want swap look more into this) choose ext partition size (usually makes sense to have it larger than internal memory so in your case more than 1gb) dont do a second ext partition (dont know of a rom that supports it) remainder fat32
let it run and then transfer contents from pc back to card (this will transfer back onto fat32 partition)
any file need then is still accessible through both computer and phone (except windows cant read ext partitions)
in titanium backup you can choose where to restore apps too, and yes it recognizes apps on ext partitions

Finally I have time and format everything to start fresh&clean install from scratch.
I've taked screenshot of recovery
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"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
So I've noticed that phone keep writes in data, while sd-ext stays untouched. So how can I force install in sd-ext instead of internal memory? I've google it before start installing apps and found that I need to use terminal emulator for typing these cmds:
Su
A2sd install
But second one returns not found, so I decided that may be is automated process, but it isn't as became clear.
What should I do?
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