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[Q] What kind of thread qualifies for general exactly???

Just wondering really? they keep getting locked for off-topic, when general is a pretty wide topic... i would think anything pertaining to the epic that isnt a question or a development, should go there... maybe im wrong??

Exactly... moderators really need to do a MUCH better job at communication. I have sent PM's and do not get responses, so please explain moderators.

they only communicate by banning and closing threads.. theimpaler was one of the few mods here that could communicate... the rest put this place on auto pilot and ban/mod without reading or communicating and half the time without thinking...

Thank you
Thanks Chris for speaking up for the new people around. Means a lot
Dale

I am wondering this as well and I was also wondering why threads that bash our developers are kept open long enough for people to pop in and take pot shots.
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JohnCorleone said:
I am wondering this as well and I was also wondering why threads that bash our developers are kept open long enough for people to pop in and take pot shots.
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Agreed, seems as if they get amusement from watching us bicker but once something actually important gets posted they're on it like flies on ****.

thomasskull666 said:
Agreed, seems as if they get amusement from watching us bicker but once something actually important gets posted they're on it like flies on ****.
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Hopefully the mods get this under control because we are losing some of our kindest and most helpful devs. Also, what the flamers fail to realize is they are only hurting the rest of the community because a lot of the developers, themers, and testers are just choosing to communicate via G-Talk anyway. Its truly sad that developers spend hours, days, and weeks of their free time, often working all night long to provide their great projects, and they seem to get less respect than someone who spreads nothing but negativity and provides no help whatsoever.
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superpaperman said:
+1, I'm a noob and I know that...
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Well welcome. You would be surprised by some of the things you see posted around here.
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Lets keep it in one place: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1177144

Delete this thread- was just trying to help devs

Saw a couple people posting in the reward for ICS thread saying they'd donate for CM7. Figure I'd
start one specifically for that. I'll put in 20. Anybody else? The devs absolutely deserve it
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Reserved
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im in, put me in for $20

What's the motive of this thread? To get CM7 faster? Its already being worked on by the CM team.
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Valid point. Yeah, I'd say for some motivation ($ never hurts) and more for just showing how much we appreciate them giving a little love to our device.
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Another useless thread *sigh*
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10$
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Only useless if u call getting the developers some well deserved funds useless...*sigh*
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These threads don't help. The dev will get it out when he gets it out. The CM team doesn't work off this type of motivation or have ETA's. However, this thread might make the release slower, because they know that the longer this thread is out, more people will pledge. Regardless, donations are made appropriately when the product is released. This thread won't even give them an idea of how much money they'll get because by the time it is out, people will be in different financial situations. It is a very poor way to get ROMs coming.
..And frankly IF this motivates CM, i would rather it wouldn't because there could be a chance where someone would rush something just for the sake of money. I want my ROMs stable as they can be. So they can take all the time they need considering it's already well under development. FYI i am NOT attacking the OP. Just my 2 cents. Purely opinion...

I've read some well thought out opinions and have decided that this thread is indeed irrelevant. I apologize as my main goal was to help out the developers
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Here's something to make order in forums

Hi everyone!
Some of you may know my virtual identity because I try to answer a lot of questions that people have in this forum. Anyways I moved on to the sensation (I know it's older but development is amazing) because my screen was terrible even after replacements and even though our development is starting to pick up (thanks to our amazing devs here) the phone itself has caused me to move on.
Back to the point, in the sensation forum, they have this sticky that I think helps tremendously with keeping order, preventing flaming, etc. the link is below and I think it would help if something like that was put here as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1194325
Farewell and thanks to community, Allgamer, raverx3x,m&s, Eugene, racing1399, whitehawx, tdj, and others I'm missing out!

Can we do this? The flaming is more than a handful of usual suspects.

I like this.
To many kids on xda it reminds of being in high-school, and I don't like it.
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I like this too!
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Unfortunately this probably won't happen. But I couldn't agree more, this would be a step in the right direction.
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I would be beyond happy if this was implemented and worked in our forums. Thanks for posting this. Give me a little bit of hope.
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I wish this was implemented
As well as a ban on anymore bounty threads
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clninja said:
I wish this was implemented
As well as a ban on anymore bounty threads
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Bounty threads brought us raver, who is working on aosp ics, and is damn close. Bounty threads can go either way. Can't forget about Eugene either, he's done some great things for us.
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capcanuck said:
Bounty threads brought us raver, who is working on aosp ics, and is damn close. Bounty threads can go either way. Can't forget about Eugene either, he's done some great things for us.
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I agree that we have had some successful bounty threads....however...more are not needed..we have bought enough devs
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Unlikely to happen but would certainly be a good thing.
Inb4theguiltypostandactlikeitsnotthem.
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Ye cool idea

Why no cm10

Hey. Wondering why cymod10 isn't getting work on it? Just curious how this all works. Thanks.
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source keeps on updating daily...
Once that is stable ul get full working cm10
patience bro
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Wut???
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So there is a group or team that develops the rom(aokp, cm10), and when they put new builds out individuals pick then up and do the writing necessary to run a partocular device?
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there's no "groups or teams" we BUILD CM10\AOKP\PA all from source i work on Base rom's which is CM9\CM10\AOSP when the CM* rom's get stable enough i pass them to maxwen and he finishes them off, which gives me free time to de-stress and spend time with girlfriend and work on other projects.
for CDMA JMZtaylor builds the Base rom's which are CM9\CM10
we work together......seeing threads like this drives me up the wall

Why would it drive you up a wall? Because I'm ignorant of what y'all do? I wish i could apologize for wanting to understand (sarcasm, mind you).
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manymarius73 said:
Why would it drive you up a wall? Because I'm ignorant of what y'all do? I wish i could apologize for wanting to understand (sarcasm, mind you).
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Dude,
XDA is NOT a support site of any kind.
It is a forum for developers, yes it has grown massivley over the years, but in general most folks on here are at least kinda techie, geeky, or both. There are also many users who just want to download cool stuff. There is nothing wrong with that but devs get annoyed when "users" don't want to take the time to learn forum rules, read, or do a bit of research.
Every dev on here is a volunteer, they do what they do because they enjoy it, and like being involved in a community of like minded folk who know the devices we spend our cold hard cash on are usually capable of much more than manufacturers like to release. Yes, there are "teams" large and small but they do not get paid for this, work under deadlines, or are expected to provide any support.
I don't mean to sound too cold, but with a little reading and research you could have found out all you needed to know about the CM team, AOKP, etc AND read in Lior's dev thread that his build is UNOFFICIAL meaning not an officially supported device by the actual aokp team. Even if it were an officially supported device that would not mean timetables, support, or warranty. Seriously, do a little research.
And understand, when you joined in August what number were you? Did you watch the "you are a noob" video, I made my son watch that when he joined. There are LOTS of new people here who demand, are rude etc. I am not saying that you are necasarily one of them, but when each device can count the number of devs on two hands or less, compared to the number of registered XDA users and you can see how a dev like Lior could get upset at your lack of wanting to read.
In the future, until you have contributed to this forum please refrain from even using sarcasm with a respected dev. Read, learn, and I hope you enjoy XDA, but remeber it is a developer forum, not a noob support site.
Regards.
Edit: ahhhh, just realized I kept typing Lior, and not Lloir, my apologies Dude.
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This has gone about as far as it needs to.

To all devs

I would love it if every rom posting would go back to the format of what is working and not...it is hard to keep flashing roms just to see what is working or not...plus I'm sure I'm wearing out my phone flashing 5 roms in a day just to find out they all have the same flaws or not or even if it was fixed..ie does video calling work, or hml, or any other feature that this phone can normally do...remember when devs use to have 2 lists in the op and pictures so you could window shop for your rom and not have to spend the time downloading, wiping and flashing just to restore your nandroid because you don't like the look or the fact some things don't work...it would really help and it only takes a couple of minutes.....thank all of you for your time and development of this device...
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djtheraven said:
I would love it if every rom posting would go back to the format of what is working and not...it is hard to keep flashing roms just to see what is working or not...plus I'm sure I'm wearing out my phone flashing 5 roms in a day just to find out they all have the same flaws or not or even if it was fixed..ie does video calling work, or hml, or any other feature that this phone can normally do...remember when devs use to have 2 lists in the op and pictures so you could window shop for your rom and not have to spend the time downloading, wiping and flashing just to restore your nandroid because you don't like the look or the fact some things don't work...it would really help and it only takes a couple of minutes.....thank all of you for your time and development of this device...
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Although I agree, your going tone other get zero response or (and more probable) catch flack about being demanding.
While typically, the android community development is free, everyone has became accustomed to the idea that eta's, change logs, working/not working lists are simply below them. Perhaps in their eyes it is. What I would like to remind everyone is this...time isn't limitless, and can be very valuable to some. If you don't like the community feedback (ie. Asking for these lists; small stuff) than maybe you should just (loosely) develop and/or cook ROMs for your own personal use. Xda is a community... A community built on knowledge, user base, and the good ol' boy system.
Just remember what we are here for. We all own a T989 and want to make our devices outlast even the newer models.
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The point I'm trying to make is that it would stop cluttering up all the threads with people asking if stuff works all the time when they can just read the op... I see countless people asking if stuff works because they don't know...
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djtheraven said:
The point I'm trying to make is that it would stop cluttering up all the threads with people asking if stuff works all the time when they can just read the op... I see countless people asking if stuff works because they don't know...
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You're assuming that people will read and thus not need to ask. As someone who spent over a year developing for the vibrant I couldn't even count the times that I either directed someone's questions to the op that contained the answer or just ignored the questions all together. Now as just an onlooker who casually flashes I read the op and if I don't see the answer I want I watch the thread and let others ask/answer or do my own research like checking out gerrit or just move on and find something else.
When I was building ROMs I would spend hours at the computer and by the time I got around to posting my work I may have forgotten one or two things so change logs were usually only partial.
Getting the latest software on your phone while free does take a little effort on the part of the user.
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You're assuming that people will read and thus not need to ask. As someone who spent over a year developing for the vibrant I couldn't even count the times that I either directed someone's questions to the op that contained the answer or just ignored the questions all together. Now as just an onlooker who casually flashes I read the op and if I don't see the answer I want I watch the thread and let others ask/answer or do my own research like checking out gerrit or just move on and find something else.
When I was building ROMs I would spend hours at the computer and by the time I got around to posting my work I may have forgotten one or two things so change logs were usually only partial.
Getting the latest software on your phone while free does take a little effort on the part of the user.
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I'm not asking for a change log just a simple list of what is working and not it's like 6 things and never really changes unless something is fixed...I think you guys are really missing the point...
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O and about the free thing I don't ask anyone to do this for us and I certainly don't expect it but if you are going do something for a lot of people than do it right...I do a lot of free things in my life...I'm a dj for 27 years in sfla and I have to spin for free most of the time because nobody wants to pay, but that doesn't mean that I am going to do a subpar job for all my fans just because I'm not going to get paid...I do it because I love it and if someone had a request I don't say well I'm doing this for free so too bad...I hate that argument you guys always use...and I donate where appropriate....
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djtheraven said:
I'm not asking for a change log just a simple list of what is working and not it's like 6 things and never really changes unless something is fixed...I think you guys are really missing the point...
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Have you ever touched computer code?

algorhythm said:
Have you ever touched computer code?
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No but if you love to do it why complain...and what does that have to do with telling me if Bluetooth,etc is working?
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Well the reason this is happening is because 4.2 just came out. People are curious to know what works and what doesn't. Devs haven't had enough time to check all of the glitches and bugs. Devs also rely on us for fixing bugs because they don't always have the time to do it.
As per the same questions being asked over and over, people simply don't know what the search button does.
And yeah :thumbup:
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Koragg618 said:
Well the reason this is happening is because 4.2 just came out. People are curious to know what works and what doesn't. Devs haven't had enough time to check all of the glitches and bugs. Devs also rely on us for fixing bugs because they don't always have the time to do it.
As per the same questions being asked over and over, people simply don't know what the search button does.
And yeah :thumbup:
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Very well said
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Wow! Someone just makes a basic request and gives thanks to developers, and suddenly everyone is all over him and getting all defensive about developers feelings or something. How did it turn into this??
I kind of agreed with the request as far as how nice it might be to know pros and cons of each rom without reading through pages and pages of useless posts in the dev threads to find out each detail. It seems to me that most developers appreciate it when more people are using their rom (and obviously people appreciate the rom they're using) sooo...it might help people to understand what they're flashing and they might be more likely to flash a rom that they understand from a end-user point of view.
If developers don't want to add a list of what works and what doesn't to the OP, then they don't have to. If developers want to help flashers in their decision-making process (and likely boost the number of people using their rom), then adding such a list might help.
As far as I can tell, that's the end of the story.

So if the Op doesn't state what's working, then people have the right to clutter threads and annoy them, right? Its a win win situation, unless devs like being asked the same question a billion times. It could help keep the clutter to a minimum but its up to the devs. Not that I'm demanding a perfect op, but there are reasons as to why people ask and ask.
1. Too lazy to read.
2. Fast response wanted(see 1)
3. Op doesn't state what's working.
4. Search doesn't always help( at least for me on the xda app.)
5. People want a solution.
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OP, your post has been noted and understood. But so that there isn't any bashing/flaming happening, closing the thread, as I removed a couple "not needed" type of posts already in this thread.
Thank You.