Ok, so I'm quite a novice at the whole rooting/unlocking scene so I need a few pieces of help. I'm contemplating where to buy the XTC clip or not, more isn't THAT much of an issue right now but I'll save where I can.
First off, is if I buy the XTC clip....would I need it again?
I was thinking of buying the clip, then selling it off to someone else for cheaper (kind of like a group buy). So If I were to use the XTC clip and sell it (and it works fine), would there be a case that I'd need it again?
What does the XTC clip do exactly?
There are two things I keep seeing, the S-OFF and the "Unlock bootloader". My phone (WFS) has S-OFF and a locked bootloader. Would the clip UNLOCK the bootloader and make it S-OFF, of not then what's the difference.
Speed.
I heard someone saying something about the processor and the bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, would it make the phone faster? Even though the WFS isn't slow...it's not that fast either.
Anyway thanks for reading, and thanks in advance!
xxshabsxx said:
Ok, so I'm quite a novice at the whole rooting/unlocking scene so I need a few pieces of help. I'm contemplating where to buy the XTC clip or not, more isn't THAT much of an issue right now but I'll save where I can.
First off, is if I buy the XTC clip....would I need it again?
I was thinking of buying the clip, then selling it off to someone else for cheaper (kind of like a group buy). So If I were to use the XTC clip and sell it (and it works fine), would there be a case that I'd need it again?
What does the XTC clip do exactly?
There are two things I keep seeing, the S-OFF and the "Unlock bootloader". My phone (WFS) has S-OFF and a locked bootloader. Would the clip UNLOCK the bootloader and make it S-OFF, of not then what's the difference.
Speed.
I heard someone saying something about the processor and the bootloader. If the bootloader was unlocked, would it make the phone faster? Even though the WFS isn't slow...it's not that fast either.
Anyway thanks for reading, and thanks in advance!
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I think you have become quite confused.....First of s-on means a locked bootloader and s-off means an unlocked bootloader....
A locked bootloader(s-on) won't allow you to flash a custom rom or root it(my case )
An unlocked bootloader(s-off) allows you to do almost everything an Android phone can do(rooting etc.)
If you want to check wether your WFS is s-on or s-off.....power off your phone an open it while pressing the volume down key.The first will show wether its s-on or s-off.If it is s-off you DO NOT NEED AN XTC CLIP.xtc clip only unlocks the bootloader..it doesn't root it.
'Root access" or "root" for short is just like administrator for Windows.......It can do a lot of things you can't normally do with your android phone.It also allows you to overclock your phone
Overclocking means to make a processor go above its speed limit.In the context of the WFS,your phones speed will go above 600mhz.....I wouldn't recommend you to do it cuz it can fry your processor if youre not careful
And yes......xtc-clip will on be a one use thing.If you use it once for s-off,you won't be needing it again....you can sell to anyone,propably me
ahmadns said:
I think you have become quite confused.....First of s-on means a locked bootloader and s-off means an unlocked bootloader....
A locked bootloader(s-on) won't allow you to flash a custom rom or root it(my case )
An unlocked bootloader(s-off) allows you to do almost everything an Android phone can do(rooting etc.)
If you want to check wether your WFS is s-on or s-off.....power off your phone an open it while pressing the volume down key.The first will show wether its s-on or s-off.If it is s-off you DO NOT NEED AN XTC CLIP.xtc clip only unlocks the bootloader..it doesn't root it.
'Root access" or "root" for short is just like administrator for Windows.......It can do a lot of things you can't normally do with your android phone.It also allows you to overclock your phone
Overclocking means to make a processor go above its speed limit.In the context of the WFS,your phones speed will go above 600mhz.....I wouldn't recommend you to do it cuz it can fry your processor if youre not careful
And yes......xtc-clip will on be a one use thing.If you use it once for s-off,you won't be needing it again....you can sell to anyone,propably me
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Pressing the power down whilst booting does absolutely nothing, which would mean my phone is S-On, which is what I thought.
I'll probably buy a XTC clip soon.
When the phone is off, you have to hold the volume down and power buttons *at the same time*. This will take you to the bootloader menu whether you are S-OFF or S-ON and it will say which one your phone is.
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As I said. I cannot get to the bootloader no matter how long I hold the two. And yes the volume key still works.
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before you can do the volume down and power button you need to switch off fastboot
settings>power>untick fastboot
power off and do as the above poster stated and you can check your s state
Also read the other threads, lots of help and answers already in them
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thering1975 said:
before you can do the volume down and power button you need to switch off fastboot
settings>power>untick fastboot
power off and do as the above poster stated and you can check your s state
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Marvel PVT SHIP S-OFF
Omg I'm happy. LOL
All good then
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Help!
I also have some questions!
First off, is it true that when u use the xtc clip u get free calls and texts Etc?
Also, Would it unlock a SIM-LOCK To a telstra locked Wildfire S?
PLEASE HELP ME I NEED TO ROOT MY PHONE TO FORCE APPS TO MY SD CARD (I'm VERY LOW ON INTERNAL MEMORY) AND LOW INTERNAL MEMORY = LAGGY **** PHONE
No free calls and txt tat imposible.
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Hi can anybody tell me how to root HTC Wildfire S (Android Gingerbread 2.3.3) !
Urgently needed plzzz guys help me !
To answer your question: "Yes"
In other words; try searching...
use gingerbreak to root your phone needs to be s-off.
it will say the rooting failed but just restart your phone and it will be rooted.
my phone was from BELL so I had to downgrade it with the RUU euro rom or it wouldn't root.
Is this what you're talking about?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1044765
How do I find out if my device is S-ON or S-Off?
I heard that with gingerbreak you don't acutally get full root but only a few things. Is that true?
Yeah that's it.
Turn your phone fully off then hold down the power on and volume rocker down at the same time. It will say if it is s-off or on.
Well I have restarted my phone many times and it still rooted and all my root apps still work.
S_ON
could you please temme how to S-Off my wildfire s ??
shaaz said:
could you please temme how to S-Off my wildfire s ??
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You need to use an XTC Clip (about £100 for the unlimited one, £20 for the payg one) since currently there is no way of doing it via software. If you'd like to be part of a group buy, check out the link in my signature.
emojoe1 said:
Yeah that's it.
Turn your phone fully off then hold down the power on and volume rocker down at the same time. It will say if it is s-off or on.
Well I have restarted my phone many times and it still rooted and all my root apps still work.
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Nothing happened! It just started my phone normally! What to do?
Royal King said:
Nothing happened! It just started my phone normally! What to do?
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Go to, Settings=>Power=>Uncheck Fast boot
Now try again.
AlpharevX guys won't support our device, telling me to go and buy better phone ...
XTC clip is only way to S-OFF, but to expensive, twice than my phone.
So I need to wait probably a long time to official update
paps79 said:
Go to, Settings=>Power=>Uncheck Fast boot
Now try again.
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nothing still
Royal King said:
nothing still
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It should have worked. I tried it the other day myself for the first time.
Here are the steps:
Uncheck Fast boot.
Turn phone off (maybe wait a few seconds for a complete shut down).
Press volume rocker down (try pressing this one first) and then the power button together for a few seconds.
The loader screen should pop up.
emojoe1 said:
use gingerbreak to root your phone needs to be s-off.
it will say the rooting failed but just restart your phone and it will be rooted.
my phone was from BELL so I had to downgrade it with the RUU euro rom or it wouldn't root.
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My Wildfire S is already S-OFF from factory but it wont root with GingerBreak. I followed every single step, but it didn't work, not even after restarting the phone. The app got stuck, waited for 20 minutes, restarted the phone and it was all the same, root disabled. Fastboot is off too.
Maybe I need to downgrade the factory ROM? Can you post a link or give me a hint on how to do that? Thanks a lot!
Interested in group buy, located in Antwerp, Belgium
Hi Guys,
I'm the proud owner of a HTC Wildfire, want to S-OFF it, but the XTC Clip is to expensive to just use it once.
Anyone interested in group buy?
That means, one person buys the XTC Clip, and pays for it.
Then the clip will be sent to all other buyers, shipping fee payed by yourself.
After the full round has been done, cost of clip will be split up and the XTC clip sold on ebay, or other site...
When it's sold, the profit will be split up again...
Payment can be made with paypal?
We can keep it save that way?
Who's interested?
Hey,
I'm trying to fix a wildfire for a family member, I've full wiped and reflashed the RUU. It's on hboot .01.
The phone boots up but it takes a long time, it eventually reaches the lockscreen and the whole phone is unresponsive. Eventually the display dims and after even more time it just reboots.
My plan was to s-off, install custom recovery and flash any custom rom to see if it fixed the issue. Unfortunately the revolutionary tool will not recognise the phone. Nor will unrevoked.
Any suggestions on the matter would be fantastic.
Cheers
m4rk84 said:
Hey,
I'm trying to fix a wildfire for a family member, I've full wiped and reflashed the RUU. It's on hboot .01.
The phone boots up but it takes a long time, it eventually reaches the lockscreen and the whole phone is unresponsive. Eventually the display dims and after even more time it just reboots.
My plan was to s-off, install custom recovery and flash any custom rom to see if it fixed the issue. Unfortunately the revolutionary tool will not recognise the phone. Nor will unrevoked.
Any suggestions on the matter would be fantastic.
Cheers
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well it really depends what you have access to to be honest. you can try to factory reset the device via the bootloader and see if makes any difference to the lag/ any bootloop issues. if you can get access to a xtc clip you can hardware s-off without revolutionary. the add a custom recovery via pc49img.zip method to the bootloader and then your on for custom roms. several small phone unlocking shops have xtc clips and will sell "unlocks" for a much better price than buying the device outright (which i do not recommend as its a LOT to only use once ) But, and xtc clip would solve your issues within 10 minutes
so it depends on what you have access to
heavy_metal_man said:
well it really depends what you have access to to be honest. you can try to factory reset the device via the bootloader and see if makes any difference to the lag/ any bootloop issues. if you can get access to a xtc clip you can hardware s-off without revolutionary. the add a custom recovery via pc49img.zip method to the bootloader and then your on for custom roms. several small phone unlocking shops have xtc clips and will sell "unlocks" for a much better price than buying the device outright (which i do not recommend as its a LOT to only use once ) But, and xtc clip would solve your issues within 10 minutes
so it depends on what you have access to
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thanks for the reply...yeah I've factory reset it via bootloader (as i cannot get past the lockscreen) but to no avail..not sure i'd want to spend any money using the xtc method...I wonder, perhaps unlocking via htc dev and adding custom recovery image..i wonder..
m4rk84 said:
thanks for the reply...yeah I've factory reset it via bootloader (as i cannot get past the lockscreen) but to no avail..not sure i'd want to spend any money using the xtc method...I wonder, perhaps unlocking via htc dev and adding custom recovery image..i wonder..
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You could do that, but you would have to remembered that with s-on the recovery cannot flash the boot partition so after you install a custom rom you will have to reboot to bootloader/fastboot and fastboot flash the boot.IMG from your custom roms .zip file every time. Only this will avoid the.boot loops that would follow
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heavy_metal_man said:
well it really depends what you have access to to be honest. you can try to factory reset the device via the bootloader and see if makes any difference to the lag/ any bootloop issues. if you can get access to a xtc clip you can hardware s-off without revolutionary. the add a custom recovery via pc49img.zip method to the bootloader and then your on for custom roms. several small phone unlocking shops have xtc clips and will sell "unlocks" for a much better price than buying the device outright (which i do not recommend as its a LOT to only use once ) But, and xtc clip would solve your issues within 10 minutes
so it depends on what you have access to
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i have the same problem, only the difference is that my phone have s-off; i tryed to reflash a fresh ruu (froyo), but still long boot and after, lockscreen freezed. what is that...?
I have a T-Mobile HTC One M8 which is bootloader unlocked and rooted with custom recovery. I also have a custom ROM (Viper One) in there. However I couldn't achieve S-OFF (tough luck! ). So my questions is, can I use the phone with other GSM carriers ? I want to start using AT&T service with this phone. Is it possible to use it without S-OFFing ?
Thanks!
abhishekk89 said:
I have a T-Mobile HTC One M8 which is bootloader unlocked and rooted with custom recovery. I also have a custom ROM (Viper One) in there. However I couldn't achieve S-OFF (tough luck! ). So my questions is, can I use the phone with other GSM carriers ? I want to start using AT&T service with this phone. Is it possible to use it without S-OFFing ?
Thanks!
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I believe so yes, can't recall seeing anything about unlocking it with S-ON. Have you tried the SunShine method to gain S-OFF?
[Android][HTC S-OFF] SunShine for modern HTC devices
Sure it's $25 but going on most responses it seems well worth the few pennies to gain that extra "freedom". Something to consider perhaps...
BerndM14 said:
I believe so yes, can't recall seeing anything about unlocking it with S-ON. Have you tried the SunShine method to gain S-OFF?
[Android][HTC S-OFF] SunShine for modern HTC devices
Sure it's $25 but going on most responses it seems well worth the few pennies to gain that extra "freedom". Something to consider perhaps...
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Thanks BerndM! Appreciate the response.
Turns out I need S-Off to use other carriers. Will probably buy Sunshine's application for S-Off
You only need S-OFF if your phone is SIM-locked but you can use a pay service to remove the SIM-lock. Unless you have a CDMA phone and are trying to use a GSM SIM in it, in which case probably to stop now...
EddyOS said:
You only need S-OFF if your phone is SIM-locked but you can use a pay service to remove the SIM-lock. Unless you have a CDMA phone and are trying to use a GSM SIM in it, in which case probably to stop now...
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Isn't it better to pay $25 to our devs and get S-OFF instead of paying some corporate guys just to get my SIM lock removed ? Just my thought
Depends if you have to pay or not...
In the UK, not all operators charge to SIM-unlock (that's if the phone even is to begin with, most don't bother these days)
I got my HTC One M8 about a month or more ago switching from my Xperia Z2, and of course, the first thing I had to do with it was root it. Since I had to unlock the bootloader first, I went into bootloader mode and saw the info on the top of the screen. As expected, it says LOCKED, but the funny thing is, it says S-OFF instead of S-ON. Is there any way that this can happen to brand new phones? How can I make sure I am S-OFF, other than going into bootloader mode? I want to convert my phone to GPE but don't want to brick it in the process. Thanks :good:
Schwaggmeister said:
I got my HTC One M8 about a month or more ago switching from my Xperia Z2, and of course, the first thing I had to do with it was root it. Since I had to unlock the bootloader first, I went into bootloader mode and saw the info on the top of the screen. As expected, it says LOCKED, but the funny thing is, it says S-OFF instead of S-ON. Is there any way that this can happen to brand new phones? How can I make sure I am S-OFF, other than going into bootloader mode? I want to convert my phone to GPE but don't want to brick it in the process. Thanks :good:
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You got lucky, I traded in my m8 for the nexus 6 and left it s-off for the next person that gets it ^^
If it says S-OFF in bootloader you are indeed S-OFF. There's an adb shell/terminal command to unlock the bootloader if you don't want to go through htcdev, although htcdev is safer. But either way, once you bootloader unlock you can convert to gpe if you want or whatever you wanna do.
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I wonder if the phone was returned the point of sale, repackaged, and shipped to you? Perhaps the previous owner relocked the bootloader but left the phone S-OFF.
HolyAngel said:
You got lucky, I traded in my m8 for the nexus 6 and left it s-off for the next person that gets it ^^
If it says S-OFF in bootloader you are indeed S-OFF. There's an adb shell/terminal command to unlock the bootloader if you don't want to go through htcdev, although htcdev is safer. But either way, once you bootloader unlock you can convert to gpe if you want or whatever you wanna do.
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Yeah, I already unlocked bootloader, rooted a long time ago, but I'm not sure if this phone is brand new because it did come with the wrapping around it and not a scuf or scratch was found on the phone, however the sticker sealing the box was already cut, but I presume it's just my uncle checking that all the parts are there because he was the one who got the phone for me since he works at a pretty big shop where they sell phones . Either way, thanks, also great ROMs you're doing for the M8 :good:
WorldIRC said:
I wonder if the phone was returned the point of sale, repackaged, and shipped to you? Perhaps the previous owner relocked the bootloader but left the phone S-OFF.
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Bootloader wasn't relocked. If it was it would say **RELOCKED**, but mines said **LOCKED**.
Schwaggmeister said:
Bootloader wasn't relocked. If it was it would say **RELOCKED**, but mines said **LOCKED**.
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It is very easy to make it say "locked" instead of "relocked" since the device has S-OFF.
Schwaggmeister said:
Is there any way that this can happen to brand new phones?
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Yes, I've seen reports of this happening from time to time. It pretty rare, but it does happen.
Hi all -
Had this HTC One M9 stock for about a month now. I've been reading and reading and reading, and have the big itch to root, but also have some questions I'm hoping folks can answer that I'm a bit confused about. So I'll just get right to my questions.
I've had android phones for years, and I get the general concept of this stuff, but is this clip method so different, in that if I haven't done it before I pose a significant risk of bricking my phone or struggling to figure out the process if I've never done this method?
Does the clip method just get me S Off, or can it unlock the bootloader too?
Should I just use clip to S Off and follow instructions in this thread to unlock bootloader (http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-lock-unlock-bootloader-htcdevs-t3092036)?
Can I return this phone to 100% stock if I need warranty service? From what I can gather from the unlock bootloader thread above, I can lock and unlock, and I assume with clip I can S on. Is there a way to flash image to OEM stock, and is there any other Knox-like things I need to worry about that I can't trip back?
I believe I read I can install TWRP recovery, but how do I do that once I have S Off and unlocked bootloader?
My goal is really just to flash a custom rom. I don't know I want to change all the in depth things that I think I'm reading I can do with S off. Is it possible, or does it make sense, to S off, unlock bootloader (which I think is all I need for TWRP and to load ROM), then S on again?
I know obv people are sending their phones to folks to S off, but there's a few reasons I'm thinking about the clip method (please correct any misunderstanding):
I can get clip for just under $100. Comparatively if I send it off, I'd probably do a $30 donation plus fast shipping both ways...I'm already over half the cost of the clip.
If I need the clip to return phone to true stock, I'd like that have that ability myself.
I know there's a few highly recommended people on here, but I'm still uneasy about sending a $600 phone to someone I don't know.
If the process is easy enough, I could try and recoup the money by doing a few phones in my area.
I'm mysteriously not seeing many website recommendations for the clip.
Sorry for the 1001 questions, but thank you SO much in advance for anyone that can offer advice!!!
crackface said:
Hi all -
Had this HTC One M9 stock for about a month now. I've been reading and reading and reading, and have the big itch to root, but also have some questions I'm hoping folks can answer that I'm a bit confused about. So I'll just get right to my questions.
I've had android phones for years, and I get the general concept of this stuff, but is this clip method so different, in that if I haven't done it before I pose a significant risk of bricking my phone or struggling to figure out the process if I've never done this method?
Does the clip method just get me S Off, or can it unlock the bootloader too?
Should I just use clip to S Off and follow instructions in this thread to unlock bootloader (http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-lock-unlock-bootloader-htcdevs-t3092036)?
Can I return this phone to 100% stock if I need warranty service? From what I can gather from the unlock bootloader thread above, I can lock and unlock, and I assume with clip I can S on. Is there a way to flash image to OEM stock, and is there any other Knox-like things I need to worry about that I can't trip back?
I believe I read I can install TWRP recovery, but how do I do that once I have S Off and unlocked bootloader?
My goal is really just to flash a custom rom. I don't know I want to change all the in depth things that I think I'm reading I can do with S off. Is it possible, or does it make sense, to S off, unlock bootloader (which I think is all I need for TWRP and to load ROM), then S on again?
I know obv people are sending their phones to folks to S off, but there's a few reasons I'm thinking about the clip method (please correct any misunderstanding):
I can get clip for just under $100. Comparatively if I send it off, I'd probably do a $30 donation plus fast shipping both ways...I'm already over half the cost of the clip.
If I need the clip to return phone to true stock, I'd like that have that ability myself.
I know there's a few highly recommended people on here, but I'm still uneasy about sending a $600 phone to someone I don't know.
If the process is easy enough, I could try and recoup the money by doing a few phones in my area.
I'm mysteriously not seeing many website recommendations for the clip.
Sorry for the 1001 questions, but thank you SO much in advance for anyone that can offer advice!!!
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OK...so when you s-off it's completely reversible and does not require a clip or card to revert. Just some simple commands. If you have a clip the best bet is to s-off and then use the adb command to unlock. The clip can unlock but it uses the HTC Dev method which let's HTC know what you've done.
Once s-off you leave it s-off. You definitely do not want to turn it on while on a custom rom. Some system write protection is turned on/off by the s flag and boot loader lock status. There's no such thing as Knox on HTC. Using already posted commands you can simply lock the boot loader, flash an ruu (like Odin image) and turn s back on.
What I normally do is s-off, then unlock via the adb command. Flash twrp. Flash supersu. Flash rom.
If you don't understand all of this and why it works this way you probably should NOT be meeting local folks to work on their phones. Sometimes things go wrong and you would be stuck in a really bad situation.
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dottat said:
OK...so when you s-off it's completely reversible and does not require a clip or card to revert. Just some simple commands. If you have a clip the best bet is to s-off and then use the adb command to unlock. The clip can unlock but it uses the HTC Dev method which let's HTC know what you've done.
Once s-off you leave it s-off. You definitely do not want to turn it on while on a custom rom. Some system write protection is turned on/off by the s flag and boot loader lock status. There's no such thing as Knox on HTC. Using already posted commands you can simply lock the boot loader, flash an ruu (like Odin image) and turn s back on.
What I normally do is s-off, then unlock via the adb command. Flash twrp. Flash supersu. Flash rom.
If you don't understand all of this and why it works this way you probably should NOT be meeting local folks to work on their phones. Sometimes things go wrong and you would be stuck in a really bad situation.
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Makes sense, and loud and clear on the advice on doing others' phones. Thank you so much....
Keep in mind that any clip/javacard will mark the device, so HTC will know that you had S-OFF anyway (if you ever return it for warranty).
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efrant said:
Keep in mind that any clip/javacard will mark the device, so HTC will know that you had S-OFF anyway (if you ever return it for warranty).
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Says who? Was never a problem for me. You actually have a harder time on a non-vzw HTC since you have to go through HTC Dev which registers in their system anytime you call in that you have strayed from stock.
I have warrantied many phones that were Java card s-offed. Properly returned to stock they will pass everytime.
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Says who? Was never a problem for me. You actually have a harder time on a non-vzw HTC since you have to go through HTC Dev which registers in their system anytime you call in that you have strayed from stock.
I have warrantied many phones that were Java card s-offed. Properly returned to stock they will pass everytime.
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Says someone who reverse-engineered the process, and who I believe.
I'm not saying it will be a problem, only that it could, if HTC decides to get picky. (I have never RMA'd anything ever so I certainly can't speak from experience. )
Yes, I agree that if you use HTC Dev to unlock, it makes it more of a problem than using a javacard (although there's nothing preventing a non-Verizon device from using a javacard - - your comment sort of implies non-Verizon HTCs need to go the HTC Dev route).
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efrant said:
Says someone who reverse-engineered the process, and who I believe.
I'm not saying it will be a problem, only that it could, if HTC decides to get picky. (I have never RMA'd anything ever so I certainly can't speak from experience. )
Yes, I agree that if you use HTC Dev to unlock, it makes it more of a problem than using a javacard (although there's nothing preventing a non-Verizon device from using a javacard - - your comment sort of implies non-Verizon HTCs need to go the HTC Dev route).
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Yep...second part of my comment pertains to the unlocking of a boot loader. It's probable that a higher number of non-vzw HTC phones use software methods to s-off. Of all of the phones I have s-offed using a card, 90% were vzw. I unlock all boot loaders using adb. Most of the folks out there who do card s-offs use supercid and dev unlock afterwards. I never really understood why when you can do it without letting HTC know. The built in boot loader unlock method on the clip also uses HTC Dev. Since all vzw HTC phones are banned from dev we have to s-off first.
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dottat said:
Says who? Was never a problem for me. You actually have a harder time on a non-vzw HTC since you have to go through HTC Dev which registers in their system anytime you call in that you have strayed from stock.
I have warrantied many phones that were Java card s-offed. Properly returned to stock they will pass everytime.
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True dat - I am one helped by @dottat to return to s-on, locked, and stock for a warrantee replacement. No problem.
dottat said:
I unlock all boot loaders using adb. Most of the folks out there who do card s-offs use supercid and dev unlock afterwards. I never really understood why when you can do it without letting HTC know.
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Out of curiosity, once you have S-OFF using your javacard, how do you unlock the bootloader using dd when you don't have root? Or how do you get root?
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efrant said:
Out of curiosity, once you have S-OFF using your javacard, how do you unlock the bootloader using dd when you don't have root? Or how do you get root?
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Depends on the device. On m9 you simply flash twrp (don't need to be unlocked on m9 to do so) and then use adb shell in twrp. On the m8, I have twrp packaged up that it will flash in ruu mode with a locked bootloader. Then same as above.
In twrp, adb shell is root already....no need to su.
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dottat said:
Depends on the device. On m9 you simply flash twrp (don't need to be unlocked on m9 to do so) and then use adb shell in twrp.
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Thanks! I had no idea you didn't need to be unlocked to flash the recovery partition. Is it only recovery, or do you have fastboot access to other partitions as well while locked?
efrant said:
Thanks! I had no idea you didn't need to be unlocked to flash the recovery partition. Is it only recovery, or do you have fastboot access to other partitions as well while locked?
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If I am not mistaken, you won't have fastboot access to \system or \sp1 (splash screen) without bootloader unlock, but you CAN have access to \system within a ROM if you are rooted, even if the bootloader is locked.
hgoldner said:
If I am not mistaken, you won't have fastboot access to \system or \sp1 (splash screen) without bootloader unlock, but you CAN have access to \system within a ROM if you are rooted, even if the bootloader is locked.
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Thanks. So to confirm, with S-OFF and a locked bootloader on an M9, you have fastboot access to all partitions other than system and sp1??
efrant said:
Thanks. So to confirm, with S-OFF and a locked bootloader on an M9, you have fastboot access to all partitions other than system and sp1??
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Why don't you want to bootloader unlock? if you're already S-OFF you can do it in adb shell. Don't hold me to what partitions are fastboot accessible with bootloader locked. I've always had an S-OFF unit with bootloader unlocked. Some partitions aren't writable in fastboot even with bootloader unlocked, although they can be flashed by aboot with an appropriate zip file. For instance, I have a custom splash screen on both my test M9 and my own M9. I keep my test M9 system partition unwritable to ease taking OTA's on the device, but my own M9 runs Fluent.
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Why don't you want to bootloader unlock? if you're already S-OFF you can do it in adb shell. Don't hold me to what partitions are fastboot accessible with bootloader locked. I've always had an S-OFF unit with bootloader unlocked. Some partitions aren't writable in fastboot even with bootloader unlocked, although they can be flashed by aboot with an appropriate zip file. For instance, I have a custom splash screen on both my test M9 and my own M9. I keep my test M9 system partition unwritable to ease taking OTA's on the device, but my own M9 runs Fluent.
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It's not that I don't want to unlock. I'm just insatiably curious as to how things now work with HTCs. (Last HTC I owned was 5 years ago.)
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efrant said:
It's not that I don't want to unlock. I'm just insatiably curious as to how things now work with HTCs. (Last HTC I owned was 5 years ago.)
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The M9 is very different from any prior HTC handset. Instead of an hboot which contains fastboot access, it uses an aboot which is very limited in what it can do, that leads to either a "download" mode or a "recovery mode." Only download mode supports fastboot, and only for some partitions. Some things, like splash screens, can only be flashed in aboot from a properly compiled zip file. Some things can only be flashed in download mode via fastboot. I don't believe \system can ever be flashed on an M9, only altered in recovery or via a rooted system (actually, it can if you are installing a fresh custom ROM). And I believe more changes are afoot in HTC handsets in that regard.
With my M8, Rezound and Incredible, you unlocked bootloader and you got S-OFF. Okay, it was a little more complicated on the Rezound because of that infernal "wire trick," but still, you could fastboot write to any partition once you unlocked bootloader and were S-OFF. That is decidedly different on the M9, and the Verizon variant is locked down even tighter.
hgoldner said:
If I am not mistaken, you won't have fastboot access to \system or \sp1 (splash screen) without bootloader unlock, but you CAN have access to \system within a ROM if you are rooted, even if the bootloader is locked.
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System part is the other way around while locked on this phone.
Write protected in os ....accessible via twrp.
Boot loader lock flag controls system rw on this phone. On the m8 it was the s flag.
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