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What can the Hummingbird graphics capabilities do that the Snapdragon can't? I have an Evo, but my 2nd line is up for renewal soon. I could get another EVO for that person, or an Epic, and switch the lines. I'm really happy w/ my evo, I have avalaunch V9 running on it and it does everything I need it to do.
So far, I don't feel like the graphics processing has limited any performance. I have been able to play a few roms without a problem, and a few android games as well.
So in what way does the Hummingbird really make a difference besides performance tests like Quadrant?
Are you a burned spy?
If you don't notice anything wrong with the Snapdragon GPU, then the Evo is probably fine for you. It depends on if you want the keyboard or not.
The Epic also has S-AMOLED which is gorgeous, so it'd be best to see them both side-by-side to make your decision.
Also, Snapdragon has much better performance application wise because it's CPU core is second to none, but the opposite is true for the Hummingbird, it does have a solid CPU core, but it isn't as good as the Snapdragon, however minus the as-yet-unreleased Tegra 2 chips, the Hummingbird has the best mobile GPU on the market.
Its a decision thats really up to you, if you want the keyboard, go Epic, if you can live without it, and the Evo GPU doesn't affect you, then it's probably a good bet due to the better camera & the bigger screen.
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do you have links to the whitepapers for the cpus or even better yet the phones? Id be very interested in just reading about the processors and their respective gpu's
thanks
Not to mention that it isn't that the evo's gpu is THAT much worse than the gpu is the samsung galaxy, its just that the galaxy's gpu is in the powervr sgx family of GPUs that are in the iphone....so of course games are going to be optimized to that gpu more than the andreno gpu that is in the snapdragon (at least initially).
The Hummingbird processor is virtually the same as the iphone 4 processor minus apple's mods. snapdragon is fast but doesn't have the graphics capabilities that humming bird has. I for one will not be getting the evo or the epic. i will wait for the first carrier to release a dual core phone. Either way you look at it you have an evo now, get a epic and if you don't like it get another evo b4 your thirty days are up.
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@Geniusdog254
do you have links to the whitepapers for the cpus or even better yet the phones? Id be very interested in just reading about the processors and their respective gpu's
thanks
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Unfortunately no. I've looked and looked and looked for ANY real Qualcomm docs on the QSD (Snapdragon) chips and none have been leaked yet. If there had been I woulda been able to overclock the GPU by now
I haven't done any looking for Hummingbird docs but I really really doubt that they're out yet either.
If you find any for either one, give me a shout with a PM here, or Twitter me (@geniusdog254), or email me ([email protected])
just sent them an email requesting it for my college final project. complete BS, but perhaps it'll hook a sucker and ill get some real technical information.
Hi
Noob here. Was just wondering what the general consensus was on the 'old' GPU that the Galaxy Nexus will be supplied with. It isn't as powerful as say, the Galaxy S2 or the iPhone4s, but will this have an overall effect on how the phone performs in day to day use? Will it only effect the high end games that are currently available? I'm seriously tempted by this phone - mainly due to the lovely looking ICS but I'm concerned I may regret purchasing if there are serious issues with the GPU.
Cheers.
I am presuming the GPU is clocked all the way up to 384Mhz like the chip's specification says, if not then curses to Google.
TBH I believe it'll be fine, although it is an old GPU it is still quite a powerful one and can handle almost every game fine. Tegra 2 is generally a weaker GPU than SGX540 @ 200 and can still manage games just fine at 1280 x 800, I don't see why the SGX540 @ 384 can't do that. Although we'll never know for sure until we get the phone.
I'll quote myself from the other thread here:
Here's a lovely anecdote: I use an Eyefinity (three-monitor) setup on my gaming rig. It's a general rule of thumb that (compared to a single 1080p monitor) adding an additional 1080p monitor will reduce your performance by about 30%. A third 1080p monitor will reduce your performance to about 50% that of a single-screen setup.
Now consider, the Nexus Prime has about 2.4 times the number of pixels as the Nexus S. If the same formula as a desktop GPU holds true for mobiles, we could expect about a 40% loss in 3D performance. Now the GPU has been clocked up about 92%. It's throughput is now approaching double that of the Galaxy S, when it needed only make up a 40% defecit. Of course if you consider diminishing returns from clockspeed scaling, the [email protected] should perform at 720p about as well as it did at 200MHz and 480p. /shrug
The usual disclaimer: this was all conjecture on my part.
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Like I said, that's just my theory, and it's got no real grounding (since I haven't used the new Nexus yet.)
Hope you guys are right, of course I'm not going to hold you to it, I just would like to have seen fresh architecture.
If we get a kernel, or I should say when we get a kernel that allows overclocking, does that only OC the CPU cores or will it OC the GPU even more?
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And while you guys are skeptical of a gpu more powerful than the Geforce on the Tegra 2, which has its own games zone dedicated to it's well-known-to-be-awesome-or-atleast-marketed-well performance, I'm rocking an Adreno 200 powering a thoroughly shattered-yet-still-working-perfectly 4.3" WVGA standard LCD display. That powervr is probably more powerful than my Geforce3 ti 200 on my desktop.
I need a refresh.
Andreno200 < Adreno205 < [email protected] < [email protected] < or = Adreno 220
The Andreno 205 is 2X the 200, but the SGX is around 1.5X Adreno205, 220 is 2X Andreno205...So [email protected] is similar to Andreno 220 at same res, but slower at 720P?
I think it's stupid that people think it's weak because:
* It isn't brand new
* They've never seen it clocked like it is and/or matched with the OMAP processor it's matched with.
* Have never played a game optimized for it
* Can't name a game/movie/program that will run on something else but not the combination mentioned above
* Assume that superficial benchmark results mean much in real world applications
The entire conversation is like talking about a way to make your race car's top speed go from 210mph to 230mph on a track that is designed to make it impossible to go faster than 175mph.
For the last time, this is NOT the same GPU that is in the SGS.
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I am presuming the GPU is clocked all the way up to 384Mhz like the chip's specification says, if not then curses to Google.
TBH I believe it'll be fine, although it is an old GPU it is still quite a powerful one and can handle almost every game fine. Tegra 2 is generally a weaker GPU than SGX540 @ 200 and can still manage games just fine at 1280 x 800, I don't see why the SGX540 @ 384 can't do that. Although we'll never know for sure until we get the phone.
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You got it wrong there dude, SGX 540 @304 Mhz is equal or +1 to 2 % faster then the Geforce ULP GPU @800x480( Note that this can be because of the Dual channel memory the 4430 soc uses (optimus 3d)). Also the ULP Geforce does not work the same way as the SGX. Geforce ULP has the tendency to not get major performance hits when resolution gets bigger hence why all tablets use Tegra 2(Got a source for this however cant find it right now), it was Nvidias plan all along to grab the Tablet market.
I hope the extra Mhz helps the sgx 540 to perform well on the galaxy nexus when it comes to Games and so on. If it doesn't there are tricks to bypass things and get good performance in gaming however it up to google/samsung to implement them
I'm looking forward to try the phone myself when it hits the stores, and hope it'll be ok...
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You got it wrong there dude, SGX 540 @304 Mhz is equal or +1 to 2 % faster then the Geforce ULP GPU @800x480( Note that this can be because of the Dual channel memory the 4430 soc uses (optimus 3d)). Also the ULP Geforce does not work the same way as the SGX. Geforce ULP has the tendency to not get major performance hits when resolution gets bigger hence why all tablets use Tegra 2(Got a source for this however cant find it right now), it was Nvidias plan all along to grab the Tablet market.
I hope the extra Mhz helps the sgx 540 to perform well on the galaxy nexus when it comes to Games and so on. If it doesn't there are tricks to bypass things and get good performance in gaming however it up to google/samsung to implement them
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That might be the case but I saw SGX540 outperforming tegra at 720p, so even then at a tablet resolution the SGX540 doesn't fail to perform. Regardless, the gpu in galaxy nexus is nothing short of high end and should perform fine.
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...and Tegra isn't that great either!
Regardless of whether the phone is fast or not, there is the overwhelming feeling that it could have been better. I think most people wanted a 543MP2 or if it were possible, the 543MP4+ (it isn't) on th Vita.
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There is no soc out yet apart from the A5 with the 543mp2, the lead time on a soc is huge, i mean they were designing the OMAP 4460 back in 2009 or earlier (first mentions in white papers of the 4460 where in Feb 2009) but i am sure they where working on it before then.
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There is no soc out yet apart from the A5 with the 543mp2, the lead time on a soc is huge, i mean they were designing the OMAP 4460 back in 2009 or earlier (first mentions in white papers of the 4460 where in Feb 2009) but i am sure they where working on it before then.
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True. We know that the new A15s have been in development since at least 2009.
The Omap 5430 has a 544MPx; we don't know how many cores.
I suppose there was no alternative except the Exynos?
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True. We know that the new A15s have been in development since at least 2009.
The Omap 5430 has a 544MPx; we don't know how many cores.
I suppose there as no alternative except the Exynos?
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Well there is Exynos, OMAP or snapdragon for current generation soc's.
OMAP and exynos are S9 cores. Snapdragon is kinda A8 with extra SIMD performance.
That's generally why snapdragon gets out performed clock for clock by A9+neon designs (that's why a 1.5ghz snapdragon eg sensation xl gets or tmob USA sgs2 is out performed by a 1.2ghz exynos.
I am more happy with OMAP than snapdragon that's for sure.
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A lot of people seem to bemoaning the fact that this phone doesn't have a 1.5Ghz Exynos 4212 or even the 4210. The big worry is that the chip may not run well at 1280x720, hence the "lag" we saw in the leak videos.
There is disagreement on if the Mali 400 or the SGX 540 is better (at this clock anyways), but there seems to be a consensus that the Exynos is a faster CPU than the OMAP 4. I suppose that a few were hoping for a ARM Cortex A15 with a 2-core SGX 554. No such a SOC currently exists sadly.
I am also hopeful that there have been some software optimizations in Ice Cream that could improve performance.
Part of me wonders if Google should do what Apple did - get its own semiconductor design department and outsource the actual fab. It seems to be offering Apple a competitive advantage of sorts.
my thoughts are that i don't care.
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veyka said:
Well there is Exynos, OMAP or snapdragon for current generation soc's.
OMAP and exynos are S9 cores. Snapdragon is kinda A8 with extra SIMD performance.
That's generally why snapdragon gets out performed clock for clock by A9+neon designs (that's why a 1.5ghz snapdragon eg sensation xl gets or tmob USA sgs2 is out performed by a 1.2ghz exynos.
I am more happy with OMAP than snapdragon that's for sure.
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Agreed. Better Omap 4 than Scorpion.
Apparently there are also a few people who were hoping for a Tegra 3. It might have been doable (and I stress the might), as the new Asus Transformer Prime is rumoured to carry Kal El.
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TBH the GPU and CPU are more than capable off handling the gui, its not like they are pulling out a fully 3D gui, even if the resolution is bumped the hardware should still be able handle it without breaking a sweat. It's only the games where the doubt arises.
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Agreed. Better Omap 4 than Scorpion.
Apparently there are also a few people who were hoping for a Tegra 3. It might have been doable (and I stress the might), as the new Asus Transformer Prime is rumoured to carry Kal El.
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I am not sure if kal el is ready yet, i dont think the transformer prime is due till q1 2012, and I'm sure if the smartphone Tegra 3 is ready as well.
And Tegra 2 doesn't even have neon!
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Well just got upgraded to the SGS II.
Curious if there is anything i should know about the device. I know its beautiful.. and i herd about screen issues but i was holding one and could see anything wrong with the screen...
So Pros, Cons, Quirks, anything you wish you knew off hand?
Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
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Depends on what you plan on doing with it ... If you bought for the snazzy voice talk options beware that some roms don't include it and doubletap of the home button to activate it is removed and many roms don't even have voice talk in them .... I got kinda frustrated with that at first ... And just installing the apk wouldnt get it working..... (
with my bluetooth headset ) () to claify that the call button wouldnt activate / open voice talk
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not entirely true about voice talk actions. the Samsung one may have been taking out since it sucks anyways. stock android voice commands work better IMO.
I recently switched from the sensation to the Galaxy S2 and im 1000% glad i did, samsung did a amazing job on this device. And TouchWiz is pretty cool and not laggy and slow as sense.
Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
Thanks for the replies. I am excited about this phone. Sucks that it is on back order and will be another week or more till it even ships .
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Only con i can even think of is the screen issue with some lines and blotches. My screen personally has the blotches but its really not noticible unless you looking for it in a dark room and with dark lighting but even then its not bothersome at all.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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theres nothing wrong with the processor ,my phone rocks and performs the same if not better than any other stock version of SGS2
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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also the actual processor and gpu sucks compared to Exynos used in the real SGS2 variants. I cant even consider TMo's SGS2 a real SGS2. just a little beefier Samsung Hercules.
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The processor doesn't suck. It has better browser performance according to anandtech. The problem is that samsung has hardware acceleration for the stock rom on their other variants and not this one. The miui phone apparently blows most phones out of the water with its processor which is the same as this phone. Tons of optimization. All the same games run on both processors without hiccups. Also 42mbs is not the speed it can theoretically go up to that speed.
Realistic speeds are more along the lines 20 down and whatever uplpoad. I seen some people even get 26 down which is basically advertised lte speeds from Verizon. Also when you put both phones on gingerbread lets say cyanogen mod since its optimized you won't see a difference. You only see it on a stock touchwiz rom i doubt you'll see a difference when your on ice cream sandwich as well.
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nothing wrong? its old hardware. i would rather have the better performing Exynos processor than the watered down Snapdragon TMo SGS2. i dont see why Tmobile will sacrifice the main component that made the SGS2 an SGS2 just to claim that the phone supports up to HSPA+ 42mbps....which we will never see those speeds before the SGS3
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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i dont get it either, and as far as benchmarks even though they really dont matter my scores on the phone stock not rooted out of the box were 200 points better than any review on any website had the other variants at with the exynos.Gotta watch which article you read because it hard to find them that are un-biased .Naturally if they are reviewing a phone for a carrier its gonna be biased towards it. Only way of really reviewing a phone is hands on so you can do it yourself. Some people just care wayyy too much about stuff that dont matter.....i love this phone
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well no one on any network will see those speeds for a while, att uses the same processor for their LTE network, i dont have a problem with speeds where i live , i get 15 meg on a regular basis and spikes up to 20 sometimes. And as far as performance it seems to hold up fine against the other phones. The phone is fine
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
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I don't see what people always say inferior processor. I don't see what my processor can't do that the other processors can. Quadrant scores ,benchmarks, don't matter in real life performance. The exynos processor doesn't give any magical ability to fly or anything.
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the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
In return for this boost in possible data rates, some things are lost with the change over to Snapdragon. Perhaps the most important difference between the Exynos and Snapdragon is the graphics performance. As is the case with all SoCs, these chips have dedicated GPUs. The Qualcomm chip in the T-Mobile Galaxy S runs an Adreno 220, which is a fine component. Exynos, on the other hand, far surpasses it in graphical prowess.
The Exynos is the first mainstream SoC to license and use the ARM Mali-400 GPU. This is a quad-core graphics processor that bests all the other chips in GPU performance. So by going with a Snapdragon, even one clocked up to 1.5GHz, T-Mobile is sacrificing a significant amount of performance.
Straight processing power is also greater on the Exynos chip, but the gap is smaller than for the GPU. Qualcomm still uses its Scorpion core — a core developed to match the Cortex-A8, but Exynos is Cortex-A9. Snapdragon isn’t completely left in the dust because it’s still a solid custom architecture, but a 1.2GHz Exynos will still crunch more bits than a 1.5GHz Snapdragon.
The Snapdragon will offer users one additional benefit in the form of better battery life. The Qualcomm-designed Scorpion to be capable of asynchronous operation, making it possible for an unneeded core to be clocked down independently. This is much better for standby time and low-impact tasks.
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http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/96267-how-samsungs-chip-change-up-affects-the-t-mobile-galaxy-s2
idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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that wasnt my point. it was just a waste for tmobile to choose the dual-core snapdragon processor just so they can claim their phone supports up to 42mbps. exynos only supports up to 21mbps which is just fine for real world experience.
yes the processor used in the TMo SGS2 is just fine,but thats just it....its just fine.
the biggest difference between exynos and our dual-core snapdragon is GPU performance. i'm not even going to try to explain the differences myself as its already been said main times. so i will just quote from this article:
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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idk about you guys, but i rather have the best of the best. i definitely dont want to miss out on the new-gen high-end games when they do come out.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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well my sensation supported up to 14 meg and in the same exact areas never saw over 5. also tell me what you can do with a Xyenos processor that you cant do with the one we got
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
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Um your point valid we know its an inferior. But still it does what i needs to do you won't actually see the performance difference on the same optimized rom like cyanogenmod or miui. You won't even notice fps difference since their both locked at 60fps. So its fine. The point is its superior as seen on paper and benchmark test but they both work perfectly fine. The exynos doesn't give you wings.
There are no games the both processors can't play smoothly. Tell the truth most apps and everything start up at the same time and speed. So having all that processing power which will be null and void in like a year or two will really matter. A lot of apps and games say not compatible with the samsung galaxy s2 yet. Because of the processor and gpu combo. This is for the original version of the galaxy s2.
If the exynos made me play a game that can only run on that processor then yeah. But it doesn't. It doesn't make anything load faster either.
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there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
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by the time a game comes out that fully puts a either of those processors to use we will be using another phone with different processors and who cares about games on a phone, just get a ps3,360 or pc for that
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not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
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You have a warped sense of reason if you think that the difference in performance between the Exynos and the SD3 constitutes your statement: "the actual processor sucks".
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sucks in the sense of old hardware.
All in all. It's your opinion and your view of what fits your needs right? It's not being constructive to give criticism when it only is one sided. I can tell you value the best and fastest in technology. there are ways to express it than to bring everyone down. I could care less about gpu or the type of processor because I have an actual laptop for that. I am happy with the speed and response of this phone. So to downplay things you think are wrong with this phone with cliffnotes and technical theories then you really aren't being constructive.
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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i alrdy told you, CLIFF NOTES: better gaming and better processing crunch.
you're talking about the sensation. not remotely close to anything equipped with exynos. its easy to claim something without providing concrete proof. you can say your sensation never got past 5mbps in the same areas, but that can depend on a number of things.
1)reception efficiency of the radio
2)tower upgrade timeline in specific areas
3)blowing smoke.
there are no games that both processors cant play smoothly? i guess you played EVERY GAME then right? Here's an example of a game; dungeon defenders.
i'm just waiting for the new-gen of games to come out to really see the limits of this qualcomm dual-core snapdragon. the new-gen games are closer to release dates than you think.
PLUS any mobile processor is pretty much null and void within a year or two. But at least the Exynos has a better chance of holding its ground.
not entirely true. not willing to summarize what i said above. i forgot to add that "Bladeslinger" may be THE game that will show the performance difference between the two.
i care about mobile gaming. its a nice thing to to have when you're away. its fun. plus the only thing i play on console is COD.
sucks in the sense of old hardware.
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I played dungeon defenders I'm rooted it doesn't slow down or anything. I don't see your point. BladeSlinger is for all android devices.... Not to mention ShadowGun looks exactly like it in quality and i can play that on my device as well smoothly. Bladeslinger also pauses in the middle of gameplay to do a special move. Shadowgun enemies are always shooting at you.
Chainfire prove before that all you need is simple plugins to run the tega2 only games or qualcomm only games on any device. What makes you think it will be so different in the future. No one will be using the same exynos next year majority of ppl will sell of the galaxy s2 or the galaxy s3. It will be the same with the Qualcomm processor for the new krait or the new tegra3 processor. I can play dungeon defenders on mytouch 4g with its single core processor on miui. So what?
Guys, I don't know if it's the right section, so I'll gladly ask to a moderator to move it, if I'm wrong.
To the point, I'm about to get a new GNex to me, and every single place where I read, I always hear good things about the phone. I wanted to ask how is the day-to-day performance, gaming performance and how it performs when compared to Tegra 2 or Qualcomm S3 or S4. I know Quadrant is not an indicative of the phone's real performance, so I want your help to figure out why Quadrant results are poor compared even to Tegra 2, and if I'll feel any hiccups or something like that...
Thanks for the help!
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Guys, I don't know if it's the right section, so I'll gladly ask to a moderator to move it, if I'm wrong.
To the point, I'm about to get a new GNex to me, and every single place where I read, I always hear good things about the phone. I wanted to ask how is the day-to-day performance, gaming performance and how it performs when compared to Tegra 2 or Qualcomm S3 or S4. I know Quadrant is not an indicative of the phone's real performance, so I want your help to figure out why Quadrant results are poor compared even to Tegra 2, and if I'll feel any hiccups or something like that...
Thanks for the help!
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I haven't experienced any hiccups since the 4.1.1 update and gaming is definitely very smoothe.
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Games are smooth, and the performance is good. Overall the OMAP is adequate for the purposes.
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you get low quadrant scores on aosp/cm builds. Stock Google is also like aosp, thus lower scores.
If you really want to check, try antutu.
day-to-day performance:
Tegra 2 + Snapdragon S3: TI OMAP 4460 wipes the floor with those two.
Snapdragon S4: Best mobile "day-to-day" SOC to date, so you figure it out.
Well,
I came from an LG Optimus 2x (Tegra2 @ 1GHz, 512MB of RAM) and the change was HUGE!!!
Tegra 2 was a great graphics oriented SoC and with the Nexus I still get more performance with more pixels to render (1280x720 vs 800x480). I know that more RAM on the Nexus helps, but gaming is still great in the Nexus.
In many websites they still recommend the Galaxy Nexus from newer phones because of the value/price ratio. In fact, in Android Central, the Galaxy Nexus was still the best android phone as of July 2012 thanks to the buttery UI in Jelly Bean which makes it as fast as an S3 or a OneX. I only have a couple of weeks with the phone and I love it.
Cheers!
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day-to-day performance:
Tegra 2 + Snapdragon S3: TI OMAP 4460 wipes the floor with those two.
Snapdragon S4: Best mobile "day-to-day" SOC to date, so you figure it out.
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what you mean with that? OMAP is better or not? didn't understand it
when you wipe floor with something, that means that thing is rubbish.
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when you wipe floor with something, that means that thing is rubbish.
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so OMAP4 > S3, okay
Yes the omap is a superb chipset one of my favorites. Its more elegantly designed then some others out there. Dual channel memory is huge. Decodes 1080p video at the hardware level. Its good.
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you get low quadrant scores on aosp/cm builds. Stock Google is also like aosp, thus lower scores.
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So, if GNex was a TouchWiz Samsung, for example, Quadrant scores would be higher? If that's true, that's a relief, because AnTuTu produces higher scores than Exynos, for instance. About JB 4.1.1, does it affect gaming performance in anyway?
Snapdragon S4 is the king of dual core.
However, OMAP 4460 is still quite the respectable processor.
i really wanna know:
i got 1,5 ghz processor + Graphic Card (4+1)
i got design
i got beats
i got sense
S3 got:
1,4 ghz processor
Amoled...
Touchwiz
Battery ( 2200 mAh) with low energy usage Cpu
İ see benchmark points pass the S3 when JB comes
5 min ago i installed geekbench 2
my phone get 1300 benchmark points (power saving off) but s3 got 1700 -.-
its one of most important thing for me: HAVE BETTER PROCESSOR THEN S3
can anyone explain to me HOX have better cpu or not?
and what about iphone 5? is it beat hox too? with dual core??
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The HOX and S3 are basically on a par with each other. However the S3 just edges out the HOX for a few different reasons. First, most software needs further optimising for Tegra devices and secondly because the S3 doesn't have the S-On/S-Off problem.
It's worth noting that the HOX is closer in terms of following Google's phone design guidelines (no menu button) and also that the screen is better.
The Tegra3 version of HOX has a slower CPU than it's dual core version.
It's like comparing a Q8200 with a E8600 and then run dual core optimized programs.
Hmmm thx for explain
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Bassicaly there isnt much of a big difference.. Exynos is a bit faster(effective)than tegra 3.. So s3 has worse screen while htc has better.. S3 has amoled display while htc has only lcd display.. But they r kinda same.. Used both phone sense is good but still wud go for touchwiz.. Lack of toggles in notification menu rly bugs me.. (There r no official htc toggles there r just play stores one)..It is just my opinion
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I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
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I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
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Regarding to beats.. Ok so when the driver is on the sound is just amazing it blows any other phone when it comes to that..But,but,but i think that they demolished sound when u play music without beats drivers just so u can say that the difference is sooo big.. And it is a good marketing trick gotta admit that.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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XxVcVxX said:
The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement. What architecture does Krait use, I wonder.
As for S4 not beating Tegra, S4 came out *after* Tegra 3. You'd think benchmarks would be optimised for quad cores before they became optimised for Cortex A15.
As for the last one, you forgot that ULP Geforce is not superscalar. The GPU cores have to wait for the first instruction to complete before the next one can process, making the process slow as hell. Mali is far more powerful than Tegra (just look at benchmarks), because the GPU cores are far beefier than the Tegra GPU cores, and also because ULP Geforce is based on Fermi cores which are a bit old and slow at this point.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement.
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Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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XxVcVxX said:
Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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Its A15 plus Qualcomm enhancements...
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Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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XxVcVxX is right.. we have discuss about this in hamdir thread for a long time and if s3 is running 32bit like us.. it just the same as ours..
BTW.. both phone have pros and cons.. so just choose any we,you,he or her like..
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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Hell, if I knew you were RD I wouldn't be so aggressive xD
Damned mobile app.
Happy Birthday
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