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I went to the sprint store today and asked them about their 4g LTE upgrade and they said that they already had a phone compatible with 4g LTE when it arrives, The samsung galaxy s2 epic 4g touch, now im guess they're probably wrong though. Does anyone here know if the samsung galaxy s2 epic 4g touch will support 4g LTE when the service comes next year?
No, the Epic 4g Touch is Sprint's version of the Samsung Galaxy S II, and has been out for about a month now. It only supports WiMax, not LTE. I'm sure the Sprint rep was just assuming you were looking for generic "4g" and just referred you to Sprint's 4g which is NOT LTE.
hmm well the rep specifically said that it was one of the phones that would be compatible with the 4g LTE service but i doubt he knows anything about it. the other rep had no idea what i was talking about when i asked him about 4g LTE lol
The Samsung Galaxy Nexus that was co-announced with Android 4 (ICS) is an LTE device. I read that Sprint already lists their version of this phone on their books, so it supposedly is coming. Probably not until Sprint gets LTE rolled out though.
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The Samsung Galaxy Nexus that was co-announced with Android 4 (ICS) is an LTE device. I read that Sprint already lists their version of this phone on their books, so it supposedly is coming. Probably not until Sprint gets LTE rolled out though.
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Well while i was at the store i asked one of the guys about the next nexus phone and he only knew it was coming to verizon first. And he didnt know when it could come to sprint, he even thought it was the Nexus Pro lol so he was kinda clueless. but im assuming it will come to sprint either in December or Q1.
i would never believe any of the sales reps they never know anything and if they do they play stupid pretty damn good
Ditto. Sales reps rarely know much of anything regarding devices coming to their carrier.
People going into the stores are pretty stupid too, it's not always the sales reps. They probably deal with idiots all day that hear about LTE and ask if this phone will still work when they switch from WiMax. Of course they don't state it that way, they probably say "will my phone work with LTE?"
I'm sure we can all agree customers in any place are - in general - stupid. Plain and simple. If they were smart, employees would be forced into being a bit more intelligent. Remember how the iPhone 4 was '4G'? Prime example.
It will be awesome if they pull a moto xoom type deal where you can send the phone in to get a new radio installed.
AHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.sprint.com/landings/lte/index.html?ECID=MA:AB:20120109:CES:GLX:NXS:300x1050
16GB version huh? The price will probably undercut the VZW version..
Then that explains the Sprint Nexus thread from yesterday. Too ouSprint advertises it with LTE even though Sprint has no LTE network yet and will be in at most 4 mid sized markets by July.
I just left Sprint for Verizon for the Nexus and LTE. I have banned Sprint for life becuase of thet horrible Wimax service. It will take Sprint several years to get LTE to the coverage level Verizon has today. And by then....
Sprint said that everywhere that has 3G will have LTE, and if I'm not mistaken, the roll-out is to be completed by the end of this year. However, where I live in CA, I have 4G everywhere anyway.
cool, but after whole Wimax rollout, or lack there of..... I'm sticking with Verizon.
Hakizi said:
Sprint said that everywhere that has 3G will have LTE, and if I'm not mistaken, the roll-out is to be completed by the end of this year. However, where I live in CA, I have 4G everywhere anyway.
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Lol. They will not have their LTE roll out completed by the end of the year.
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L3rry said:
Then that explains the Sprint Nexus thread from yesterday. Too ouSprint advertises it with LTE even though Sprint has no LTE network yet and will be in at most 4 mid sized markets by July.
I just left Sprint for Verizon for the Nexus and LTE. I have banned Sprint for life becuase of thet horrible Wimax service. It will take Sprint several years to get LTE to the coverage level Verizon has today. And by then....
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I feel the same way. Sprint is just too late getting into the game to be competitive for at least another 2+ years.
EDIT: Just noticed they are specifically saying it will come with Google Wallet...
These talks of being late to the game are absurd. Sprint was first with 3G, first with 4G, and will be first with LTE-Advanced. Just because they didn't cover where you live doesn't mean tons of people weren't covered.
I thought the agreement was already made for Sprint to utilize Verizons LTE as they do 3G now?
Hakizi said:
These talks of being late to the game are absurd. Sprint was first with 3G, first with 4G, and will be first with LTE-Advanced. Just because they didn't cover where you live doesn't mean tons of people weren't covered.
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not absurd. If they want to compete with Verizon, they better damn well compete, not just be first to do something then allow Verizon to blow by them like they're standing still.
They are competing. That's why they're going to be rolling out their LTE network so fast. http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/sprint-converts-its-cdma-network-to-lte/?m=false
Hakizi said:
These talks of being late to the game are absurd. Sprint was first with 3G, first with 4G, and will be first with LTE-Advanced. Just because they didn't cover where you live doesn't mean tons of people weren't covered.
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Verizon LTE rollout begins: December 2010.
Sprint's LTE rollout begins: Mid 2012.
I'd say that's pretty late considering Verizon has LTE in like 190 cities right now.
Sprints rollout already began, and you act like Sprints been stuck on 3G since then. They haven't, we've had 4G for years.
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Sprints rollout already began, and you act like Sprints been stuck on 3G since then. They haven't, we've had 4G for years.
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Dude, I've had Sprint for over 4 years. Now I have Verizon. Compared to the overall coverage and consistent network speeds, Sprint BLOWS.
Yeah well i was a total Sprint "fanboy" for quite a while... was a customer since 2000 until last month.
After putting up terrible 3g speeds for years and no Wimax in my area (Buffalo, NY) on my Evo 4G(paying an extra $15 a month for having a 4G phone), and a Nexus S 4G, and then an Evo 3D.... i finally had enough.
Verizon has been fantastic and i don't see any reason to go to Sprint at any time in the foreseeable future.
BTW, i'm not arguing, Sprint is probably great in some areas. That was a bit of venting, from all the years of crap on Sprint in Buffalo, NY. lol.
Just ditched Sprint for the Verizon Nexus. I'll totally consider going back to Sprint in another 19.25 months if this whole network vision thing actually plays out like they say it will.
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These talks of being late to the game are absurd. Sprint was first with 3G, first with 4G, and will be first with LTE-Advanced. Just because they didn't cover where you live doesn't mean tons of people weren't covered.
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I am pretty sure we still don't have 4G in Greater Metro Detroit area with Sprint, where as Verizon' LTE was launched later than Sprint's WiMAX and already covered the area pretty well...
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I am pretty sure we still don't have 4G in Greater Metro Detroit area with Sprint, where as Verizon' LTE was launched later than Sprint's WiMAX and already covered the area pretty well...
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As I said earlier, just because you don't have it doesn't mean other people don't.
Sprint's marketing campaign has a Popeye influence: "we will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
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Sprints rollout already began, and you act like Sprints been stuck on 3G since then. They haven't, we've had 4G for years.
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You've had WiMax in very limited capacity with very little real-world availability since mid 2010. That isn't "years" of having 4G.
Look at it whatever way you want, Sprint is never going to be able to keep up or roll out LTE as fast as Verizon. They don't have the money to do it. They're talking about their first markets (only 4) in "mid 2012". And it will require all new devices because its not compatible with current WiMax ones. They would have to launch 100's of markets in 2012 to match Verizon.
I have read a lot of opinions about what the new 4G LTE will mean to current 4G phones from definately won't work to it will just need a radio update. Is anyone really in the know on this subject and what is the correct answer?
Of course it probably doesn't mean anything for my EVO as we still do not have Wimax 4G in our area, only got to use 4G once on a layover in Dallas, makes me glad to continue to pay the $ 10 monthly fee that was started with the EVO 4G phone service plan requirements.
It will NOT work with ANY phone currently out now. Wimax and LTE are completely different technologies, a simple radio flash will not make wimax phones connect to LTE. You will have to wait until sprint releases LTE phones.
great question. I was wondering the same thing. I thought that they were different radio chips but I am not positive, Look forward to an answer from an expert.
A simple OTA won't fix that. if the radio was built in, then perhaps [what they're considering on the galaxy nexus]. But sprint plans to support wimax til 2015 I believe, so basically if you don't have an LTE phone by then, you won't be supported.
I upgraded to a Motorola Photon for a week just before Sprint started to switch over to the LTE and asked this question on the Photon forum, had answers all over the place, but the one thing that Sprint did tell me is if you currently do not have 4G Wimax in your area you will not as Sprint is not expanding the 4G wimax, only the 4G LTE will be expanded into new areas. This leaves me with a PROMISE that I got when I first started to pay the $ 10 per month that Sprint will be expanding it and you will sometime in the future be able to use the 4G.
erikemb said:
great question. I was wondering the same thing. I thought that they were different radio chips but I am not positive, Look forward to an answer from an expert.
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Not exactly an expert here, but Sprint re-sells Clearwire WiMax operating in the 2.6GHz range of the spectrum. Sprint plans to deploy LTE in their existing 1.9GHz range of spectrum holdings. They are planning a 5x5 Frequency Division Duplexing scheme here.
So, to answer the question: There's no way existing WiMax devices will ever support Sprint's upcoming LTE deployment. Chipsets, frequencies and overall technology built into your EVO 4G is simply incompatible. Case closed.
Sprint always seems to want to sell a new wimax phone. I am wondering if they have an upgrade plan for those holding a wimax phone when wimax goes away?
If they do not have a plan when the best time to switch is and is it even worth it.
So is the extra $10 we pay for data for the 3G or the 4G we are supposed to get? Sorry it may be a dumb question but I'm on a plan with my fiancés parents.
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So is the extra $10 we pay for data for the 3G or the 4G we are supposed to get? Sorry it may be a dumb question but I'm on a plan with my fiancés parents.
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The 10$ is for the 4G.
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So is the extra $10 we pay for data for the 3G or the 4G we are supposed to get? Sorry it may be a dumb question but I'm on a plan with my fiancés parents.
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It was initially referred to 4G, but then a lawsuit brewed because consumers were forced to pay for a service that wasn't available. Therefore, Sprint changed it to a Smartphone fee. That's why all new headsets purchased is subject to the $10 fee. While people with old contracts don't pay.
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spyd312 said:
It was initially referred to 4G, but then a lawsuit brewed because consumers were forced to pay for a service that wasn't available. Therefore, Sprint changed it to a Smartphone fee. That's why all new headsets purchased is subject to the $10 fee. While people with old contracts don't pay.
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actually I think it was to just soften the blow of the 10 data add on I remember paying this on my instinct. although I am in the Phoenix area and have only 5 or 6 areas with 5g (none near me) I still think $10 is a good value for unlimited data compared to other carriers.
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actually I think it was to just soften the blow of the 10 data add on I remember paying this on my instinct. although I am in the Phoenix area and have only 5 or 6 areas with 5g (none near me) I still think $10 is a good value for unlimited data compared to other carriers.
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I signed a 2 year contact for 4 lines 18 months ago. 1 evo, 2 intercepts, 1 flip phone. 3 out 4 are smartphones, but I've only been paying $10 for only 1 line (Evo). My contract states that the $10 was due to the fact that my phone is 4G capable. Since the other 2 phones aren't 4G capable, the $10 fee didn't apply. For a while, there was a class action lawsuit filed against Sprint because it wasn't fair to be forced to pay for a service premium, if the service wasn't even available in the consumer's region. Sprint got around this by changing the $10 fee as a smartphone surcharge. Sprint has always been providing unlimited data and the $10 fee never constituted to obtaining unlimited data usage. I just got lucky that I'm saving $20/month since my contract isn't subject to the new terms and conditions.
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http://classactionlawsuitsinthenews.com/class-action-lawsuit-complaints/sprint-class-action-lawsuit-complaint-filed-over-sprints-htc-evo-4g-cell-phone-samsung-epic-4g-cell-phone-sprints-4g-network/
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There is some good reading if you do a Google search on the topic.
One article put it in perspective for me..... the "hype" of something new sells phones... think of how many EVO's flew off the shelf awaiting 4g that never came. Technology is ever changing.
LTE is gonna be the same. For those living in the very large money making metropolitan areas it will be a reality. For those on the outskirts ........ well it may never come.
4g would have been nice but since it's release ( I was a lucky first) my EVO has locked 4g less than 10 times. I love my EVO cause it was/and still is an awesome phone. My next phone probably will be an LTE but not because of LTE availability. The technology is growing and sad as it may be.... hand cranking the model A wont make sense when I can start the car with the push of a button while the key is in my pocket. My EVO will however, hold a place on my display case next to my startac analog. Thanks to ICS.... it might even get taken out for Sunday drives!
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The old phones like the EVO, EVO 3D, EPIC 4G and even the GALAXY SAMSUNG S II won't work on their new LTE. I went to a Sprint store and I asked the guys and they told me that it will still have the WiMax network, but those phones won't work on LTE network. Shame, I really want to get the S II
That is what got this thread going, I wanted to upgrade and the Sprint store salesperson told me the 4G phones would work with 4G LTE so I upgrade to a Motorola Photon. It was a good upgrade from the EVO but as most state on this thread would not work on LTE. That made the phone not work the upgrade to be locked in for two years especially since I didn't have 4G now, if 4G LTE came out in my area I still wouldn't be able to use it even though I've been paying the $ 10 / month from intro date of the EVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yet another in the never ending string of lies misrepresentations from Sprint, as well as being yet another sign of just how little their customers mean to Sprint.
After having their 4G available for over two years they still have only a fraction of their users with 4G coverage.
Worse, search back and find the first articles about Sprint moving from Wimax to LTE, and you'll find that the Sprint representatives stated that during the transitional time (this would start about...now?) Sprint would be offering phones that supported BOTH Wimax and LTE so that its customers could get the phones that they want and enjoy whichever 4G service is available to them. Of course if you're part of the vast majority of the population of the U.S., this means neither.
But, the point is that Sprint representatives said to multiple sources that we would be offered phones that supported both, and once again they are failing to do as they said. No doubt they were just saying what they felt they needed to in order to halt the easily anticipated storm of customer inquiries upon the announcement of the switch. Since the well trained U.S. consumer has the memory of a gnat and believes whatever they are told, Sprint no longer cares what their customers want, need, or deserve because their customers don't remember what they were promised and have been trained to be sheep and eat whatever slop is poured in the trough in front of them.
Of course, from talking to family and friends with service from other providers, as well as researching on the web, I know that Sprint isn't any worse than any other provider. Cell phone service providers have some of the lowest customer service ratings period. The number of complaints regarding cell phone service providers is also among the very highest. None of this is any secret; one only has to seek out the readily available information and knowledge.
When it comes to cellphone service providers, there is no clear winner. And in sprite of their generally crappy 3G service and minimal 4G coverage, Sprint does still offer mostly free roaming and mostly unlimited data, so they are not going anywhere regardless of how horrible their cell service and customer service is.
I'll give them this...they've positioned themselves beautifully within their market.
No 4G here and LTE is all hype to sell phones.... suckin em for all they are worth on 3G now and refuse to use Wifi on either of my EVO4Gs.
If I could get wife to ditch cable internet/tv I'd get em for even more.
So would Sprint's upgrade to LTE render Epic 4G touch useless for 4G?
Yes... But that point is so far in the future, you'll have a newer phone by then....
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Yes... But that point is so far in the future, you'll have a newer phone by then....
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
I believe WiMax will be alive for at least a couple of years because full roll out of LTE is going to take time. Someone can correct me if I am wrong here but I think WiMax will certainly be here for the 2 years if you bought the phone on contract
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There are numerous threads about this already please use the search engine... And Google works great also
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
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Phew I was like now i'm like
It renders 4G for me useless for the most part. As I live in a city with no WiMax And the odds of ever getting it are about zero now. Oh well... I just hope we get some LTE love before the next great thing is out. But I'm sure I'll be loving my E4GT for least a year or 2 still.
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
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Hence, so far in the future that the LTE network is fully rolled out and the Wimax network shut off which will be more than likely, quite past 2015, yes, at that point, the epic 4G touch will be USELESS on the Wimax network. It can't be upgraded to LTE and at that point, it'll be well past it's useful life as a "high end device" anyway, so, won't matter much.
To the OP, by the time you need to worry, you won't have this phone anyway.
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Nope, it doesn't.
Sprint has a deal and contract to have WiMAX (which is the 4G flavor the Epic Touch is running), till sometime in 2015 I believe.
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+ 1 I was going to say that
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Does anyone know why Sprint went with Wimax to begin with? Was it so they could get it up faster and claim to be the first 4g carrier? Or was it sort of like when HD DVD and Blurays came out... weren't sure which was going to be better?
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Does anyone know why Sprint went with Wimax to begin with? Was it so they could get it up faster and claim to be the first 4g carrier? Or was it sort of like when HD DVD and Blurays came out... weren't sure which was going to be better?
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Yes, they wanted to be the first 4G network and Wimax was the easiest to deploy quickly.
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When sprint chose wimax it was definitely the front runner. It had pretty good financial backing from Google and intel. The problem is that it was never designed to be a mobile technology, it was merely adapted for that purpose. There was a revision (802.16m) that would have given it some legs to compete with lte from a power consumption and mobility standpoint but because Sprint is the only carrier that picked it up, all of the hardware makers stopped investing in mobile aspects of the technology. Effectively that makes it impossible to continue, without the radios being refined wimax would continue to be at a disadvantage to lte in the phone arena.
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Sprint also needed to start doing something with its 2.5 GHz spectrum. Those licenses had coverage conditions that the FCC could invoke to take the spectrum from Sprint to sell or give to another entity that would use it. At the time, LTE was not a ready for commercial deployment, but WiMax was.
So i've been paying an additional $10 a month per line on my phones with 4G capabilities. Initally I had the OG EVO, 3D, and now Epic Touch. Its been well over a year probably close to two and I still dont have 4G not that this is something I need but it is something ive been paying for.
I dont live in some rural area (San Diego) so I dont see why they are lagging. Maybe this whole transition from 4G to LTE but that change was fairly recent.
Of couse when you call sprint they are not going to give you any time frame.
So I guess im stuck still paying the additional $10 on each line for a service I cannot access where I live and havent since day one.
Oh well, hopefully once LTE gets going SD will be one of the first to run it.
Anyone with some inside info care to provide some good news?
Sprint now defines that $10 as a smartphone surcharge and applies it to anything that runs iOS, Android, Bby, or WinMo 4g or not, although I don't think sprint has any current smartphones that aren't 4g.
You would've been better off to fight the 4g battle when the evo came out IMO.
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Sprint now defines that $10 as a smartphone surcharge and applies it to anything that runs iOS, Android, Bby, or WinMo 4g or not, although I don't think sprint has any current smartphones that aren't 4g.
You would've been better off to fight the 4g battle when the evo came out IMO.
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True..
At the time when the EVO came out I believe was the only 4G phone they carried so I guess was under the impression the charge was for 4G but I do see it has changed to a general charge for smart phones.
So I guess at this point its just a waiting game.
Techincally the evo was out first, but idunno where you lived, but the Epic was available first here due to false demand scams by HTC... either that or they made them one at a time. Seriously didnt you get enough of this topic in the evo forums?? I know we got sick of it in the Epic forums...
http://s4gru.com/ I found this site online, not sure how accurate their information is, but good to read through.
Al major markets se supposed to have LTE by the end of 2014 but we've all been hearing these ETAs for years with 4G so I wouldn't count on either. I'm in Milwaukee WI and have head we will have 4G by 2011.. never happened lol
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Sprint confirms LTE phones will feature unlimited data.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/03/sprint-lte-unlimited-data-everything-plan/
Also, see the link in my signature.
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Al major markets se supposed to have LTE by the end of 2014 but we've all been hearing these ETAs for years with 4G so I wouldn't count on either. I'm in Milwaukee WI and have head we will have 4G by 2011.. never happened lol
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I live by eau claire wi..... I have no hope for lte....
Got AOKP?
I'm in SD too and we're supposedly in the second list for the rollout which should start sometime soon...
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I live by eau claire wi..... I have no hope for lte....
Got AOKP?
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im near Milwaukee and I have less hope than you. I know Clear has been putting 4G towers in milwaukee and madison, but I have yet to pick up a 4G signal.
4G LTE...not happening.
Keep in mind, Sprint's 4G LTE is their own, with their own network, own buildout, and own spectrum.
I have read in several places Q3 for L.A. and Orange County and Q4 for San Diego so its safe to say before Christmas you will be rocking LTE
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Best answer to sprint lte is 3 years before most places fully see it. Hell I have been in a wimax test arear for over 2 years and at a sprint store I heard a salesman tell a customer there was no 4g at all but when it gets here it will be awesome. When sprints own staff has no idea 4g is even in their own service area how can I even trust them to put towers up.
Good for you people in great big luscious data driven cities, sucks every where else
I have had several sprint employees tell me that here in Virginia it should be within 2 years.
I have a question of my own. I have had a few people tell me that when LTE comes around we will have to have new phones because the hardware like in the Epic Touch will not work on LTE. Any truth to this?
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I have had several sprint employees tell me that here in Virginia it should be within 2 years.
I have a question of my own. I have had a few people tell me that when LTE comes around we will have to have new phones because the hardware like in the Epic Touch will not work on LTE. Any truth to this?
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Yes if you want lte you will have to get a lte capable phone..... Ie sgs3 HTC evo4g lte , etc .... The hardware in this phone will not work on lte . But until you get lte if you have 4g now there is no reason to change unless you're a phone junkie like me
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This summer I am guessing since that is when they are releasing the Evo Lte, Galaxy Nexus etc. Boston market looks like lte will cover almost the entire state, and if it's anything like how when the original htc evo launch, lte will most likely be already on in boston market.